Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Pete, Am 24.03.2012 um 01:36 schrieb Pete: Hi Klaus, Haven't used revBrowser before but I got the example from runrev's web site at http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/15963-how-do-i-display-a-pdf-in-rev However, nothing displays in the browser image no matter what pdf file I select. Also tried it with a straightforward http:// url and nothing displayed. Any tips on how to get this to work? I think you need to add file:// at the beginning of the url which is missing in that tutorial. Try this slightly modified mouseup script from the example mentioned above: ... on mouseUp local tFile answer file Please choose the file you would like to display with type PDF document|pdf|PDF if it is not empty then put it into tFile ##!!! replace with %20 in tFile put file:// before tFile ## !!! browserSetURL tFile end if end mouseUp Tested on my Mac and works :-) Pete Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Klaus, Tried that and still no luck. When I look at the url it starts with file:/// (3 slashes). Is that OK? I'm not sure what's going on here. I'm using the revBrowser sample stack provided by runrev and it won;t access any web sites, never mind pdf files. For instance, I tried www.google.com in the URL box. The status message at the bottom says accessing http://www.google.com;, the lights at the top right flash away and it just stays like that, no web site displayed. My internet connection is working fine and I can access web site just fine with my Chrome browser. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote: replace with %20 in tFile put file:// before tFile -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Tools for creating a help file
I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? Thanks for any guidance, -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Pete, Am 23.03.2012 um 19:17 schrieb Pete: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? you could use a Browser Object to display the PDFs! Works on the Mac and will surely do on Windows if Acrobat Reader is installed. Thanks for any guidance, -- Pete Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Pete wrote: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? I enjoy typing in LiveCode fields myself, but I'm funny that way. :) If you like using Word you'll love Curry Kenworthy's WordLib for importing content from Word and OpenOffice/Libre Office into LiveCode: http://www.runrev.com/store/product/word-lib-1-3-0/ He's done an amazingly thorough job of recreating every element in doc, docx, and odt files that can be represented in LiveCode fields. And he's hard at work on a new version that takes full advantage of LC 5.5's new field object capabilities. For professional devs he also offers an option to acquire limited rights to the source for an additional fee. This is a must-have for myself and my clients, and pretty much every other pro dev who need to consider code base longevity, and his source fee was more than reasonable. Curry's support has been exemplary, and his willingness to work with suggestions for new features and enhancements is an inspiration for all of us tools vendors. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Check out Blue Mango's Screensteps. Bob On Mar 23, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Pete wrote: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? Thanks for any guidance, -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Thanks Richard, that sounds like a possibility. I'm using iPages to create the help text but I think it is capable of saving a file in Word format although not sure how good a job it does. I guess I'll give it a whirl with WordLib (hopefully there's a trial available) and see what happens. I'm not against typing into LC fields, just finding that there's less work involved in using a word processor that is built to deal with formatting, spell checking and inserting graphics that doing all that in native LC. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Pete wrote: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? I enjoy typing in LiveCode fields myself, but I'm funny that way. :) If you like using Word you'll love Curry Kenworthy's WordLib for importing content from Word and OpenOffice/Libre Office into LiveCode: http://www.runrev.com/store/**product/word-lib-1-3-0/http://www.runrev.com/store/product/word-lib-1-3-0/ He's done an amazingly thorough job of recreating every element in doc, docx, and odt files that can be represented in LiveCode fields. And he's hard at work on a new version that takes full advantage of LC 5.5's new field object capabilities. For professional devs he also offers an option to acquire limited rights to the source for an additional fee. This is a must-have for myself and my clients, and pretty much every other pro dev who need to consider code base longevity, and his source fee was more than reasonable. Curry's support has been exemplary, and his willingness to work with suggestions for new features and enhancements is an inspiration for all of us tools vendors. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irvhttp://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Pete, I use a squeaky wheel approach to user docs. Instead of creating volumes of info that only I will read, I use ScreenSteps to create very visual how to web pages on issues where users ask questions. The apps I build for my clients all use the same Help Topics plugin that appears in the app's Help menu. When users open it, they see a list of the How-To pages available for that app which are stored on the client's web server. If they click an item in the list, their web browser opens with the info displayed. There's nothing like having the Help info right there when where you need it! Best - Phil Davis On 3/23/12 12:25 PM, Pete wrote: Thanks Richard, that sounds like a possibility. I'm using iPages to create the help text but I think it is capable of saving a file in Word format although not sure how good a job it does. I guess I'll give it a whirl with WordLib (hopefully there's a trial available) and see what happens. I'm not against typing into LC fields, just finding that there's less work involved in using a word processor that is built to deal with formatting, spell checking and inserting graphics that doing all that in native LC. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Richard Gaskinambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Pete wrote: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? I enjoy typing in LiveCode fields myself, but I'm funny that way. :) If you like using Word you'll love Curry Kenworthy's WordLib for importing content from Word and OpenOffice/Libre Office into LiveCode: http://www.runrev.com/store/**product/word-lib-1-3-0/http://www.runrev.com/store/product/word-lib-1-3-0/ He's done an amazingly thorough job of recreating every element in doc, docx, and odt files that can be represented in LiveCode fields. And he's hard at work on a new version that takes full advantage of LC 5.5's new field object capabilities. For professional devs he also offers an option to acquire limited rights to the source for an additional fee. This is a must-have for myself and my clients, and pretty much every other pro dev who need to consider code base longevity, and his source fee was more than reasonable. Curry's support has been exemplary, and his willingness to work with suggestions for new features and enhancements is an inspiration for all of us tools vendors. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/**blog.irvhttp://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
You should look at ScreenSteps: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool was created with LiveCode. It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward through the pages. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
There was a video I watched recently about using screen steps in exactly this way. Users would request help, and the response would be a either a new or existing article on how to do what the user needed to do. In this way, the help system was a living document to quote an oft misused phrase. Neat idea. Bob On Mar 23, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Hi Pete, I use a squeaky wheel approach to user docs. Instead of creating volumes of info that only I will read, I use ScreenSteps to create very visual how to web pages on issues where users ask questions. The apps I build for my clients all use the same Help Topics plugin that appears in the app's Help menu. When users open it, they see a list of the How-To pages available for that app which are stored on the client's web server. If they click an item in the list, their web browser opens with the info displayed. There's nothing like having the Help info right there when where you need it! Best - Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Thanks Colin and Phil for the ScreenSteps recommendation. I'll definitely take a look. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: You should look at ScreenSteps: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool was created with LiveCode. It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward through the pages. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Folks, Still playing around with different formats for this. One possible format is the one used by the Datagrid reference manual. It's a pdf file including a navigation pane on the left with expandable/collapsible entries; clicking on an entry goes directly to the associated page. Pretty sure this is a built in feature of pdf files, but wondering if there is a way to create that type of format from a standard word processing program as opposed to purchasing Acrobat. Thanks, Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Colin and Phil for the ScreenSteps recommendation. I'll definitely take a look. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: You should look at ScreenSteps: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool was created with LiveCode. It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward through the pages. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
http://www.ehow.com/how_5946398_create-training-manual-word.html On Mar 23, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Pete wrote: Folks, Still playing around with different formats for this. One possible format is the one used by the Datagrid reference manual. It's a pdf file including a navigation pane on the left with expandable/collapsible entries; clicking on an entry goes directly to the associated page. Pretty sure this is a built in feature of pdf files, but wondering if there is a way to create that type of format from a standard word processing program as opposed to purchasing Acrobat. Thanks, Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com wrote: Thanks Colin and Phil for the ScreenSteps recommendation. I'll definitely take a look. Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: You should look at ScreenSteps: http://www.bluemangolearning.com/screensteps/ In addition to being a very good way to prepare documentation, the tool was created with LiveCode. It can export to Word, PDF, and HTML. With PDF you can use a LiveCode player object and set the filename of the player to the path to the PDF, and then set the currenttime of the player to go forward and backward through the pages. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Tools for creating a help file
Hi Klaus, Haven't used revBrowser before but I got the example from runrev's web site at http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/15963-how-do-i-display-a-pdf-in-rev However, nothing displays in the browser image no matter what pdf file I select. Also tried it with a straightforward http:// url and nothing displayed. Any tips on how to get this to work? Pete On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.comwrote: Hi Pete, Am 23.03.2012 um 19:17 schrieb Pete: I'm trying to decide how to supply the help text for an application and wondering what tools people are using to creat help files. I'm finding that it is much easier to use a word processor to write the help text and graphics than trying to do it within the confines of LC text fields. I can't leave the help text as a separate file because that would require the user to have the same wp program I used to create it. I can create a pdf version of it to get round that but I'm wondering if there is some way of importing the help text into LC, retaining all the formatting and graphics. Is it possible to open a pdf file and display within an LC application without starting a separate pdf viewer program? you could use a Browser Object to display the PDFs! Works on the Mac and will surely do on Windows if Acrobat Reader is installed. Thanks for any guidance, -- Pete Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
