Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups
bob, alternate drive is for redundancy if a drive were ever to poop out and I keep one off site or in a firesafe if here as well for the theft/fire issue. I learned this thru a friend who had a very redundant backup system. only problem was not good about offsite and there was a fire in the office took out everything with fire, heat, smoke, and water damage... another friend had his laptop and the backup drive attached (only one) stolen from his home -- again SOL. also ive had a couple of drives go by a head coming loose and that pretty much leaves you with nothing to recover... main drive system is a redundant raid as well. few hundred buck investment over the years gives me a nice safety net and this system has spun along fine now for 5 years w/o any hickups due to the drives. my experience with backup systems has been total murphy's law. watching a few other folks trying to recover from a data disasters has taught me as they all took huge number of hours (translate that to work hours lost), bucks in data recovery efforts, and im sure a few weeks of their life expectancy... over the years ive dealt with most kinds of tape and cartridge backup systems as well with clients and companies ive worked with and most have worked but talk about a pain to reconstruct, was rarely easy or fast, hence when drives got cheap enough i moved fast! cheers jeff On May 31, 2012, at 3:33 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Should not need to alternate drives with Time Machine. Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups
And ... what do you do if part of your failure instance includes a lack of network connectivity? No way back from that one. Just saying... Tim On May 31, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: OIC that makes sense then. I priced out some of these online backup systems like Carbonite, and by the time you pay as much as a 2 tb drive with enclosure would cost, you could have paid for a 5 year subscription to Carbonite. 5 years is as much as you can expect a drive that is used for Time Machine to go. Mine is on the verge of crapping out, so I am considering just paying for an online backup instead. Trouble is, full backup and restore is s l o w . The next tier though has a local drive backup as well as the online backup. Bob On May 31, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: bob, alternate drive is for redundancy if a drive were ever to poop out and I keep one off site or in a firesafe if here as well for the theft/fire issue. I learned this thru a friend who had a very redundant backup system. only problem was not good about offsite and there was a fire in the office took out everything with fire, heat, smoke, and water damage... another friend had his laptop and the backup drive attached (only one) stolen from his home -- again SOL. also ive had a couple of drives go by a head coming loose and that pretty much leaves you with nothing to recover... main drive system is a redundant raid as well. few hundred buck investment over the years gives me a nice safety net and this system has spun along fine now for 5 years w/o any hickups due to the drives. my experience with backup systems has been total murphy's law. watching a few other folks trying to recover from a data disasters has taught me as they all took huge number of hours (translate that to work hours lost), bucks in data recovery efforts, and im sure a few weeks of their life expectancy... over the years ive dealt with most kinds of tape and cartridge backup systems as well with clients and companies ive worked with and most have worked but talk about a pain to reconstruct, was rarely easy or fast, hence when drives got cheap enough i moved fast! cheers jeff On May 31, 2012, at 3:33 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Should not need to alternate drives with Time Machine. Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Upgrade to Lion - backups
I may be old school but in my data centers I do the following: 1) Raid arrays for local disks so no disk failure will either stop production or incur data loss. 2) Either rotating off-site tape backups or raid disk swaps of current data will take care of water/fire/wind. 3) Rotating tape backups with n number of dailies and unlimited monthlies will take care of: OOPs I deleted the files 4) Mac Time machine or Windows restore previous versions for mid day deletion or quick restore. Do all the above and your golden. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tim Jones Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:58 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups And ... what do you do if part of your failure instance includes a lack of network connectivity? No way back from that one. Just saying... Tim On May 31, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: OIC that makes sense then. I priced out some of these online backup systems like Carbonite, and by the time you pay as much as a 2 tb drive with enclosure would cost, you could have paid for a 5 year subscription to Carbonite. 5 years is as much as you can expect a drive that is used for Time Machine to go. Mine is on the verge of crapping out, so I am considering just paying for an online backup instead. Trouble is, full backup and restore is s l o w . The next tier though has a local drive backup as well as the online backup. Bob On May 31, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote: bob, alternate drive is for redundancy if a drive were ever to poop out and I keep one off site or in a firesafe if here as well for the theft/fire issue. I learned this thru a friend who had a very redundant backup system. only problem was not good about offsite and there was a fire in the office took out everything with fire, heat, smoke, and water damage... another friend had his laptop and the backup drive attached (only one) stolen from his home -- again SOL. also ive had a couple of drives go by a head coming loose and that pretty much leaves you with nothing to recover... main drive system is a redundant raid as well. few hundred buck investment over the years gives me a nice safety net and this system has spun along fine now for 5 years w/o any hickups due to the drives. my experience with backup systems has been total murphy's law. watching a few other folks trying to recover from a data disasters has taught me as they all took huge number of hours (translate that to work hours lost), bucks in data recovery efforts, and im sure a few weeks of their life expectancy... over the years ive dealt with most kinds of tape and cartridge backup systems as well with clients and companies ive worked with and most have worked but talk about a pain to reconstruct, was rarely easy or fast, hence when drives got cheap enough i moved fast! cheers jeff On May 31, 2012, at 3:33 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Should not need to alternate drives with Time Machine. Bob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
