Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
On 1 July 2014 21:03, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote: Alternatively it's simple enough that you could contract someone to do it after all the refactoring is sorted for significantly less than the cost of a Premium license. Sounds a way to go. Even better would be to have a well structured and promoted bounty platform for open source code. Richard Now iOS 8 has added a new WKWebView with a much nicer way of doing it (and much better JavaScript performance!) Just did a little reading about WKWebView (thanks for the tip) - this is a good review with some speed tests - http://developer.telerik.com/featured/why-ios-8s-wkwebview-is-a-big-deal-for-hybrid-development/ I'm looking to have good interoperability between JavaScript/HTML5, LiveCode, and C++. It looks like there are powerful things on the horizon with regard to LiveCode / C++ http://livecode.com/blog/2014/05/29/eating-our-own-haggis/ but it's not so clear with regard to HTML5/Javascript which has always seemed to be treated as more of an competitor than a friend to embrace. Though this may be simply that not many people use this aspect of Livecode? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
Thanks Alejandro - I just tested and on OSX with revBrowserOpenCEF (which is Chrome 32) - I get a score of 472 rather than 503 for Chrome 32. It looks like webRTC is not available on Chrome 32 version in CEF for OSX. I'm not sure about Android and iOS versions yet? On 1 July 2014 00:13, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: According to http://html5test.com/ this new Chromium Embedded Framework is identified as Chrome 31 and scores 450 from 555 points. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=89t=20501 -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WebRTC-support-and-Chromium-Embedded-Framework-in-LiveCode-tp4680734p4680747.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
I assume CEF doesn't build the WebRTC support in the Chromium project by default because it has extra dependencies on the audio stack. I guess LiveCode could include such support if it wanted. Does LiveCode plan to bundle CEF on Android? Given the built-in web view in Android is already based on Chromium that would seem like a lot of bloat for little gain. For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common video codec with other implementations because the standards people can't agree on a mandatory one. -- Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 02:40 AM, David Bovill wrote: Thanks Alejandro - I just tested and on OSX with revBrowserOpenCEF (which is Chrome 32) - I get a score of 472 rather than 503 for Chrome 32. It looks like webRTC is not available on Chrome 32 version in CEF for OSX. I'm not sure about Android and iOS versions yet? On 1 July 2014 00:13, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: According to http://html5test.com/ this new Chromium Embedded Framework is identified as Chrome 31 and scores 450 from 555 points. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=89t=20501 -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WebRTC-support-and-Chromium-Embedded-Framework-in-LiveCode-tp4680734p4680747.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
Ah yes - I see the Chromium Embedded framework is really desktop only - I missed that. I'd like to down what the long term strategy regards browser controls cross mobile and desktop is. For instance *revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler* is for now CEF specific - is the plan to add this to mobile platforms? On 1 July 2014 14:08, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote: For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common video codec with other implementations because the standards people can't agree on a mandatory one. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
I'm getting the impression that the LiveCode roadmap is primarily user demand driven, so there isn't really a long term strategy apart from keep the platform relevant and grow the user base. :) If you really want something relatively simple like this in the roadmap I think pledging for the new campaign with a Premium (or maybe Pro) license and asking them to do it sooner rather than later is the best way forward! Alternatively it's simple enough that you could contract someone to do it after all the refactoring is sorted for significantly less than the cost of a Premium license. I think the main issue with doing this for mobile platforms is backwards compatibility. On Android the WebView completely changed (to a modern Chromium base from an old WebKit base) in one of the recent releases (can't remember which 4.x version) - making sure it works identically on both might be tricky - Android has always had a simple method for doing this though. On iOS this was only doable via fake URL load requests in the WebView before iOS 7, then iOS 7 added an almost completely undocumented and slightly cumbersome way of doing it properly. Now iOS 8 has added a new WKWebView with a much nicer way of doing it (and much better JavaScript performance!). So, it's going to be cheaper and easier to do via an external/extension if you only care about newer platform versions but to get it into the engine where it belongs means supporting all the platform versions that LiveCode does. -- Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 09:28 AM, David Bovill wrote: Ah yes - I see the Chromium Embedded framework is really desktop only - I missed that. I'd like to down what the long term strategy regards browser controls cross mobile and desktop is. For instance *revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler* is for now CEF specific - is the plan to add this to mobile platforms? On 1 July 2014 14:08, Mark Wilcox m...@sorcery-ltd.co.uk wrote: For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common video codec with other implementations because the standards people can't agree on a mandatory one. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
Anyone tried / no if WebRTC works with the version of Chromium Embedded Framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework (CEF) shipping with the newer LiveCode releases? In fact anyone no what version of CEF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework is included? It seems the browser native real time video streaming (WebRTC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC#Support) is now supported on Android at least since Google Chrome 28 (enabled by default since 29). Anyone looked into this? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC#Support - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_Embedded_Framework ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode
According to http://html5test.com/ this new Chromium Embedded Framework is identified as Chrome 31 and scores 450 from 555 points. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=89t=20501 -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WebRTC-support-and-Chromium-Embedded-Framework-in-LiveCode-tp4680734p4680747.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
