Re: Another list test

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

On Aug 29, 2019, at 7:40 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> If an SMTP relay cannon contact the destination mail server, there usually is 
> a time period in which it will retry.


By the time someone takes a cannon to a server, it’s usually to late to retry!

:)



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Re: Another list test

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

When my posts wouldn't send I got an error reply from my mail server about 
an "unknown user". So I don't think the list server ate the message, the 
post couldn't be delivered at all.


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On August 29, 2019 11:09:55 AM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



Was it bouncing the messages? How can we check if a message was
sent/received during this time? Is there an archive we can view?

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 16:26, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


The list was down for 2 days due to the server move so there won't be any
mail to restore. I think we all suffered from withdrawal symptoms. I
myself
was forced to read Twitter during the interim and I fear for my health now.

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On August 29, 2019 9:35:44 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode
 wrote:

> For me there is a gap for 25 and 26 August - absolutely nothing. Will
posts
> from those dates reappear?
>
> Graham
>
>> On 27 Aug 2019, at 12:35, R.H. via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.
>>
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Re: Another list test

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]



> On Aug 29, 2019, at 07:40 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> If an SMTP relay cannon contact the destination mail server, there usually is 
> a time period in which it will retry. Sometimes it can be as long as 2 or 3 
> days. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Aug 29, 2019, at 07:36 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And another thing - my two test emails were not sent today but on 27th 
>> August, so they have been spinning about in cyberspace for a couple of days. 
>> Is this normal?
>> 
>> Graham
> 
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Re: Another list test

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Was it bouncing the messages? How can we check if a message was
sent/received during this time? Is there an archive we can view?

Sean Cole
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 16:26, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The list was down for 2 days due to the server move so there won't be any
> mail to restore. I think we all suffered from withdrawal symptoms. I
> myself
> was forced to read Twitter during the interim and I fear for my health now.
>
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> On August 29, 2019 9:35:44 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > For me there is a gap for 25 and 26 August - absolutely nothing. Will
> posts
> > from those dates reappear?
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >> On 27 Aug 2019, at 12:35, R.H. via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.
> >>
> >> Roland
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Re: Another list test

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 8/29/19 8:26 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
The list was down for 2 days due to the server move so there won't be 
any mail to restore.


Right. But during that time the listserv just ate incoming emails, mine 
included.


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Re: Another list test

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

The list was down for 2 days due to the server move so there won't be any 
mail to restore. I think we all suffered from withdrawal symptoms. I myself 
was forced to read Twitter during the interim and I fear for my health now.


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On August 29, 2019 9:35:44 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
 wrote:


For me there is a gap for 25 and 26 August - absolutely nothing. Will posts 
from those dates reappear?


Graham

On 27 Aug 2019, at 12:35, R.H. via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.

Roland
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Re: Another list test

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

If an SMTP relay cannon contact the destination mail server, there usually is a 
time period in which it will retry. Sometimes it can be as long as 2 or 3 days. 

Bob S


> On Aug 29, 2019, at 07:36 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> And another thing - my two test emails were not sent today but on 27th 
> August, so they have been spinning about in cyberspace for a couple of days. 
> Is this normal?
> 
> Graham


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Re: Another list test

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

And another thing - my two test emails were not sent today but on 27th August, 
so they have been spinning about in cyberspace for a couple of days. Is this 
normal?

Graham

> On 27 Aug 2019, at 13:00, Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> For me there is a gap for 25 and 26 August - absolutely nothing. Will posts 
> from those dates reappear?
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 27 Aug 2019, at 12:35, R.H. via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.
>> 
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Re: Another list test

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

For me there is a gap for 25 and 26 August - absolutely nothing. Will posts 
from those dates reappear?

Graham

> On 27 Aug 2019, at 12:35, R.H. via use-livecode 
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> I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.
> 
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Re: another list test

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On Aug 27, 2019, at 7:51 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
 wrote:
> 
> I still don't see this:
> http://quality.runrev.com  
> >


That’s because a side-effect of the outage is to render livecode impervious to 
bugs during the interregnum 

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Re: another list test

[JJS via use-livecode]

for next time:


- Warn users

- put sites offline

-create back-up

-transfer to new server

-check if all is working

-put it back online


instead of how it looks now:

transfer to new server

pull the switch to put new server online

aaah sh*t some sites not working ok

another aaah stuff is missing

inform users


Op 27-8-2019 om 20:02 schreef Mark Wieder via use-livecode:

On 8/27/19 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Caching won't be an issue for you then.


Not from a commandline, but locally, browsers do what they want.



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Re: another list test

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On 8/27/19 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Caching won't be an issue for you then.


Not from a commandline, but locally, browsers do what they want.

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Re: another list test

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Caching won't be an issue for you then. 

Bob S


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 10:34 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm using Cloudflare's servers for DNS resolution.
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Re: another list test

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On 8/27/19 8:16 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

For example, for me, the IP address I get for quality.livecode.com is 
the new server, yet I see the old server's instance of bugzilla. In 
contrast at least half the team here just get a rather unfortunate error 
message - which is due to a software incompatibility we are trying to 
resolve.


Something like this?

Devel::StackTrace version 2 required--this is only version 1.27 at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Exception/Class/Base.pm line 9.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Exception/Class/Base.pm line 9.
Compilation failed in require at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Exception/Class.pm line 10.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Exception/Class.pm line 10.
Compilation failed in require at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler/Exceptions.pm line 26.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler/Exceptions.pm line 26.
Compilation failed in require at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler/Compiler.pm line 11.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler/Compiler.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler.pm line 8.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/share/perl5/Params/ValidationCompiler.pm line 8.
Compilation failed in require at 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5/DateTime/Duration.pm line 13.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at 
/usr/local/lib64/perl5/DateTime/Duration.pm line 13.

Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/lib64/perl5/DateTime.pm line 14.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib64/perl5/DateTime.pm 
line 14.

Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Util.pm line 55.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Bugzilla/Util.pm line 55.
Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Error.pm line 33.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Bugzilla/Error.pm line 33.
Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Install/Filesystem.pm line 31.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Bugzilla/Install/Filesystem.pm line 31.
Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla/Config.pm line 38.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Bugzilla/Config.pm line 38.
Compilation failed in require at Bugzilla.pm line 38.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Bugzilla.pm line 38.
Compilation failed in require at index.cgi line 34.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at index.cgi line 34.

If it helps any,
ping results from here @10:30AM PST:
quality.livecode.commolly.livecode.com (50.28.38.113)
quality.runrev.com  Name or service not known
livecode.commolly.livecode.com (50.28.38.113)
livecodeshare.livecode.com  Name or service not known
livecodeshare.runrev.commeg.on-rev.com (5.135.139.104)

I'm using Cloudflare's servers for DNS resolution.

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Re: another list test

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Sometimes a local DNS cache, like on the workstation and even in a local DNS 
server, will not have flushed. Often DNS records are cached for several days. 
There are commands of course to flush the workstation cache. On Windows it's 
ipconfig /flushdns. On a Windows server you have to go into DNS Management to 
flush the cache. 

Bob S


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 08:16 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2019-08-27 11:04, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> May i ask what is not working.
>> I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was
>> working w/o problems?
> 
> In theory you should not be seeing that - for some reason that we cannot 
> determine, the old server is still accessible to some people even though the 
> DNS entries have all propagated.
> 
> For example, for me, the IP address I get for quality.livecode.com is the new 
> server, yet I see the old server's instance of bugzilla. In contrast at least 
> half the team here just get a rather unfortunate error message - which is due 
> to a software incompatibility we are trying to resolve.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. The disruption over the last couple of days was caused by a failure 
> somewhere during the automatic account transfer process from old server to 
> new, and then a subsequent RAID disk failure on the *new* server. This has 
> left a bit of mess which is currently being cleared up.
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Re: another list test

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On 2019-08-27 11:04, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

May i ask what is not working.

I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was
working w/o problems?


In theory you should not be seeing that - for some reason that we cannot 
determine, the old server is still accessible to some people even though 
the DNS entries have all propagated.


For example, for me, the IP address I get for quality.livecode.com is 
the new server, yet I see the old server's instance of bugzilla. In 
contrast at least half the team here just get a rather unfortunate error 
message - which is due to a software incompatibility we are trying to 
resolve.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The disruption over the last couple of days was caused by a failure 
somewhere during the automatic account transfer process from old server 
to new, and then a subsequent RAID disk failure on the *new* server. 
This has left a bit of mess which is currently being cleared up.


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Re: another list test

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On 8/27/19 8:04 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

May i ask what is not working.

I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was working w/o 
problems?


Seems to be in a transitional state atm. My first try got a page full of 
perl compilation errors. Now I just get ERR_TIMED_OUT. Anywhere on the 
livecode.com domain.


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Re: another list test

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

quality.livecode.com is not up and running on the new server. It is still 
working on the old server. Whether you can see it or not depends on which 
server your dns is pointing at.

We are aware of the issue with the QC, and are working on upgrading it so it 
can move.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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> On 27 Aug 2019, at 16:04, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> May i ask what is not working.
> 
> I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was working 
> w/o problems?
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> free tools for Livecoders:
> InstaMaker 
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> 
>> Am 27.08.2019 um 17:00 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> On 8/27/19 7:51 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I still don't see this:
>>> http://quality.runrev.com  
>>> >
>> 
>> It's even worse if you try
>> https://quality.livecode.com/ 
>> 
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Re: another list test

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

May i ask what is not working.

I just did a quick test and searched for some bug reports. That was working w/o 
problems?

Matthias Rebbe

free tools for Livecoders:
InstaMaker 
WinSignMaker Mac 

> Am 27.08.2019 um 17:00 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> On 8/27/19 7:51 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:
>> I still don't see this:
>> http://quality.runrev.com  
>> >
> 
> It's even worse if you try
> https://quality.livecode.com/ 
> 
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Re: another list test

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On 8/27/19 7:51 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote:

I still don't see this:
http://quality.runrev.com 


It's even worse if you try
https://quality.livecode.com/

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Re: another list test

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

But https://quality.livecode.com  is online


Matthias Rebbe

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InstaMaker 
WinSignMaker Mac 

> Am 27.08.2019 um 16:51 schrieb Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I still don't see this:
> http://quality.runrev.com  
> >
> 
> 



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Re: another list test

[Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode]

I still don't see this:
http://quality.runrev.com 



> On Aug 27, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hooray, we are back. Thanks to Robin's dedicated work and excellent detective 
> abilities in figuring out the problem. 
> 
> Apologies to all for the outage of the lists, they didn't make it over 
> correctly to our new server and diagnosing the issue was tricky!
> 
> You can all now go about your business again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Aug 2019, at 11:16, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I can read you loud an clearly. ;)
>> 
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> 
>> free tools for Livecoders:
>> InstaMaker 
>> WinSignMaker Mac 
>> 
>>> Am 27.08.2019 um 12:12 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>>> 
>>> maybe this one arrives...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Heather Laine
>>> Customer Services Manager
>>> LiveCode Ltd
>>> www.livecode.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: another list test

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

LiveCodeShare will also return. As will anything else that has got lost or 
temporarily mislaid in transit. We're not trying to kill off anything here, 
quite the reverse. We're moving servers to improve our service.

Best Regards,

Heather



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www.livecode.com



> On 27 Aug 2019, at 14:12, hh via use-livecode  
> wrote:
> 
>> Heather wrote:
>> Hooray, we are back. Thanks to Robin's dedicated work and excellent
>> detective abilities in figuring out the problem. 
>> Apologies to all for the outage of the lists, they didn't make it
>> over correctly to our new server and diagnosing the issue was tricky!
>> 
>> You can all now go about your business again.
> 
> But 
> 
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/
> 
> or from the HELP menu of latest LC (9.5.0)
> + Sample Stacks
> + Sample Scripts
> + Tutorials
> 
> are still lost in space, since more than four days ...
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Re: another list test

[hh via use-livecode]

> Heather wrote:
> Hooray, we are back. Thanks to Robin's dedicated work and excellent
> detective abilities in figuring out the problem. 
> Apologies to all for the outage of the lists, they didn't make it
> over correctly to our new server and diagnosing the issue was tricky!
> 
> You can all now go about your business again.

But 

http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/

or from the HELP menu of latest LC (9.5.0)
+ Sample Stacks
+ Sample Scripts
+ Tutorials

are still lost in space, since more than four days ...

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Re: another list test

[Marian Petrides MD via use-livecode]

Got it. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 27, 2019, at 6:12 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> maybe this one arrives...
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
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> www.livecode.com
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> 
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Another list test

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I am still not receiving any message through email since last week.

Roland
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Re: another list test

[Heather Laine via use-livecode]

Hooray, we are back. Thanks to Robin's dedicated work and excellent detective 
abilities in figuring out the problem. 

Apologies to all for the outage of the lists, they didn't make it over 
correctly to our new server and diagnosing the issue was tricky!

You can all now go about your business again.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 27 Aug 2019, at 11:16, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can read you loud an clearly. ;)
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> free tools for Livecoders:
> InstaMaker 
> WinSignMaker Mac 
> 
>> Am 27.08.2019 um 12:12 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
>> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> maybe this one arrives...
>> 
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: another list test

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

I can read you loud an clearly. ;)


Matthias Rebbe

free tools for Livecoders:
InstaMaker 
WinSignMaker Mac 

> Am 27.08.2019 um 12:12 schrieb Heather Laine via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> maybe this one arrives...
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
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> 
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another list test

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maybe this one arrives...


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
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