Re: button width on different platforms

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:39 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Are the buttons narrower or is the font larger?
>>
>> If the latter, try setting the font size of the stack.
>>
>> By default LC will use the OS default font and size, which is
>> smaller on Windows than on most Linux distros.
>
>
> Actually I had to do that myself because the font size in a
> standalone was different than the font size in the IDE.

If that's in v9.x please file a bug report.  The IDE should not be 
imposing an unusual font size.


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Re: button width on different platforms

[Richmond Mathewson]

Um, well, yes: but whether the operating system that your end-user is 
going to play with your font
the same way as your operating system plays with it is another potential 
pitfall.


Certainly I am wondering what Windows 10 is going to do with the latest 
version of my Devawriter

when I hive off a Windows standalone from LC 8.1.2:

with LC 4.5 Windows 8 really behaved extremely badly with my Devawriter 
font
(which behaved "as it should" on Macintosh, Linux and Windows XP, Vista 
and "7").


This was not because Devawriter went "shopping" for some font it could 
find on the end-user's system,
and, as far as I can tell it had little or nothing to do with LiveCode: 
but just that Windows 8 seemed to

screw up with non-standard Unicode fonts.

Richmond.

On 1/4/17 11:28 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 1/4/17 1:41 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I was under a vague impression that you could bundle font files with
the app (of course there may be licensing issues etc so this may not
be viable in every case). The trick at that point would be installing
the fonts.


You can ship the app with a font included, and it isn't necessary to 
install it. LC allows "start using font file " and it just 
works.




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Re: button width on different platforms

[Bob Sneidar]

Actually I had to do that myself because the font size in a standalone was 
different than the font size in the IDE.

Bob S


On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:39 , Richard Gaskin 
> wrote:

Matt Maier wrote:

> I've got some buttons with text in them. On Windows (where I develop)
> they look fine. On Linux the buttons are a little bit narrower so the
> text is cut off.

Are the buttons narrower or is the font larger?

If the latter, try setting the font size of the stack.

By default LC will use the OS default font and size, which is smaller on 
Windows than on most Linux distros.

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Re: button width on different platforms

[Richard Gaskin]

Matt Maier wrote:

> I've got some buttons with text in them. On Windows (where I develop)
> they look fine. On Linux the buttons are a little bit narrower so the
> text is cut off.

Are the buttons narrower or is the font larger?

If the latter, try setting the font size of the stack.

By default LC will use the OS default font and size, which is smaller on 
Windows than on most Linux distros.


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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: button width on different platforms

[Bob Sneidar]

I did not know that! Very cool. 

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:28 , J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
> On 1/4/17 1:41 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I was under a vague impression that you could bundle font files with
>> the app (of course there may be licensing issues etc so this may not
>> be viable in every case). The trick at that point would be installing
>> the fonts.
> 
> You can ship the app with a font included, and it isn't necessary to install 
> it. LC allows "start using font file " and it just works.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: button width on different platforms

[J. Landman Gay]

On 1/4/17 1:41 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I was under a vague impression that you could bundle font files with
the app (of course there may be licensing issues etc so this may not
be viable in every case). The trick at that point would be installing
the fonts.


You can ship the app with a font included, and it isn't necessary to 
install it. LC allows "start using font file " and it just works.


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Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: button width on different platforms

[Warren Samples]

On 01/04/2017 01:05 PM, Matt Maier wrote:

I've got some buttons with text in them. On Windows (where I develop) they
look fine. On Linux the buttons are a little bit narrower so the text is
cut off.

Anyone handled a similar problem?



Matt,

I would suggest dynamically  setting the width of the buttons to the 
formattedWidth of the buttons is the most correct thing to do. You may 
also set the height of the buttons the same way. You will find the 
actual space needed changes with font selection.


I have suggested always setting the height of text fields the same way 
but for some reason that doesn't seem to go over very well. Personally 
I'm not a big fan of fixed height text fields which cut off the 
contained text. This is very common to see in Linux with LiveCode things 
developed on other platforms, including the IDE.


In any event, maybe the worst approach, and also the most common, is to 
start dictating the font selection and size. You can never know what 
reasons the user may have for using a particular font or size.


Dynamic layout is really the best way to go whenever possible. Ask a web 
developer.



Warren

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Re: button width on different platforms

[Bob Sneidar]

I was under a vague impression that you could bundle font files with the app 
(of course there may be licensing issues etc so this may not be viable in every 
case). The trick at that point would be installing the fonts. On linux and mac, 
I think this can be done via command line. Not sure about Windows. I will bet 
installer makers can do  this automagically.

Bob S


On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:11 , Richmond Mathewson 
> wrote:

Yes; many, many times: this is even, potentially a problem on a single platform 
as you have no idea as to
what fonts someone has installed in their system.

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button width on different platforms

[Matt Maier]

I've got some buttons with text in them. On Windows (where I develop) they
look fine. On Linux the buttons are a little bit narrower so the text is
cut off.

Anyone handled a similar problem?
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Re: button width on different platforms

[Richmond Mathewson]

Yes; many, many times: this is even, potentially a problem on a single 
platform as you have no idea as to

what fonts someone has installed in their system.

I gave up using real buttons about 12 years ago just because I was 
deploying stuff across

Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

What I do, instead, is make a button up to look the way I want it 
(normally on Macintosh with the Charcoal
 font, or on Xubuntu with the Ubuntu font) and then import a snapshot 
of the button so I end up with an image

that will look the same regardless of which platform it is seen on.

Obviously this involves a little extra time, but in terms of aesthetics 
it wins hands down as you know
that no-one is going to open up your standalone and be faced with a 
"tar" or a "o nex" button.


Richmond.


On 1/4/17 9:05 pm, Matt Maier wrote:

I've got some buttons with text in them. On Windows (where I develop) they
look fine. On Linux the buttons are a little bit narrower so the text is
cut off.

Anyone handled a similar problem?
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