Re: pirate version of my book

[Bob Sneidar]

Yes, not disagreeing with you, just making the point that we will never get all 
people to change the way they think. But you are right about "putting someone 
else's shoes on their feet" so to speak. It's the best lesson of all. 

Bob


On Sep 4, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Yes true, but when you try and teach, you need to reach your students in ways 
> they can grasp and understand. With this understanding comes the tools to 
> understand greater things and build higher. in this case its the ability to 
> not just learn a rule, but to understand the rule and thus be able to apply 
> it to a more complex situation which life brings us all the time. I started 
> out with the kids spouting rules, but as the year wore on it moved to 
> discussion about producing material and how it worked. the kids would really 
> get into asking about my multimedia work and how i got into it and how to 
> make a living off it. from all of this and their own experiences they gained 
> (i would like to think) a good set of tools to think about the issue of 
> content creation and ethics with paying or not paying for it. We had great 
> discussions on issues of what should be in the public domain, copyrights and 
> patents. It actually was the most stimulating part of the teaching for me and 
> where i saw the most connections being made in the brains as they were in 
> that teen to adult transition. I would like to think that when they think 
> about those situations now they come to a good conclusion with a good feeling 
> that they know they are doing the right thing, not just out of memory of the 
> pain of being yelled at. there is a lot of strength in knowing you are on the 
> right course that is needed to maintain that course.
> 
> jeff
> 
> On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> Snip snip. I think the best we can do as responsible adults is first to set 
>> an example in our own lives, and then to express the principles which guide 
>> us in life. Eventually people will make their own choice about what kind of 
>> person they want to be. We hope as many as possible will choose to be "good" 
>> people. None will achieve total success, but I have been told that it is 
>> more about the direction you are heading than the place you happen to be at 
>> any time. 
>> 
>> Bob
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Re: pirate version of my book

[Jeff Reynolds]

Yes true, but when you try and teach, you need to reach your students in ways 
they can grasp and understand. With this understanding comes the tools to 
understand greater things and build higher. in this case its the ability to not 
just learn a rule, but to understand the rule and thus be able to apply it to a 
more complex situation which life brings us all the time. I started out with 
the kids spouting rules, but as the year wore on it moved to discussion about 
producing material and how it worked. the kids would really get into asking 
about my multimedia work and how i got into it and how to make a living off it. 
from all of this and their own experiences they gained (i would like to think) 
a good set of tools to think about the issue of content creation and ethics 
with paying or not paying for it. We had great discussions on issues of what 
should be in the public domain, copyrights and patents. It actually was the 
most stimulating part of the teaching for me and where i saw the most 
connections being made in the brains as they were in that teen to adult 
transition. I would like to think that when they think about those situations 
now they come to a good conclusion with a good feeling that they know they are 
doing the right thing, not just out of memory of the pain of being yelled at. 
there is a lot of strength in knowing you are on the right course that is 
needed to maintain that course.

jeff

On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Snip snip. I think the best we can do as responsible adults is first to set 
> an example in our own lives, and then to express the principles which guide 
> us in life. Eventually people will make their own choice about what kind of 
> person they want to be. We hope as many as possible will choose to be "good" 
> people. None will achieve total success, but I have been told that it is more 
> about the direction you are heading than the place you happen to be at any 
> time. 
> 
> Bob

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Re: pirate version of my book

[Bob Sneidar]

Snip snip. I think the best we can do as responsible adults is first to set an 
example in our own lives, and then to express the principles which guide us in 
life. Eventually people will make their own choice about what kind of person 
they want to be. We hope as many as possible will choose to be "good" people. 
None will achieve total success, but I have been told that it is more about the 
direction you are heading than the place you happen to be at any time. 

Bob


On Sep 3, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> some came totally around and it was great to see in general a really good set 
> of ethics being formed. most of the rest at least seemed to walk away with an 
> internal battle going on about this. not totally set up yet ethically, but at 
> least the seed was planted and they could not just ignore their own 
> experience in the computation.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

Availability would equate to supply. 

On Sep 2, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Understand that availability is not the same as demand.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Ken Corey]

Oh dear!  I guess I haven't read enough of the book.  Is that one of the 
instructions?


I *knew* Colin was a closet Mac-lover.

*grin*

-Ken

On 01/09/2012 02:14, Shawn Blc wrote:

I bought the PDF version, read it on my pc, uploaded it to my dropbox and
now have it on my Mac!  I shot my pc with my .45. ;)


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

I think people have to feel put out themselves before they "get it". It says 
something about the base nature of humans as they now stand. I remember as a 
kid bringing home something I found laying in the front yard of someone's home. 
When my father saw it, he stopped up short, and asked, "Where did you get 
that?" I answered, "I found it in someone's yard." 

He got a long look on his face, said, "Did you buy it with your own money?" 
"no..." "Did someone give it to you as a gift?" "no."

"THEN PUT IT BACK! IT DOESN'T GOD D**NED BELONG TO YOU!" 

>From then on I used that as my measuring stick for what theft was. Thanks Dad 
>for making me feel pain. 

Bob


On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:17 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:

> When immoral behavior becomes common, profitable, and more or less anonymous, 
> it is no longer generally regarded as immoral. If the victim is distant 
> stranger, or an abstraction, like a corporation, the sense of immorality 
> diminishes further.
> 
> When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no apparent 
> explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, pending 
> identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of us would 
> do that?
> 
> My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
> other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many 
> gigs of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of 
> almost any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to use 
> pirated software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is entirely 
> silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the 
> music I listen to.
> 
> By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
> author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.
> 
> My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
> possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am 
> an old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
> possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop 
> recording. Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his 
> Mom.
> 
> Meanwhile, maybe we should zoom out and look at the bigger picture. About 
> sixteen percent of the world's population consumes 80% of its resources. This 
> is not exactly fair, either. Are we all pirates, squabbling among ourselves 
> for a "fair" share of the loot? Maybe "fair" is an illusion, often 
> self-serving.
> 
> Dukkha.
> 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

I hate to say it, but all this makes a good argument for phone-home 
authentication. 

Bob


On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> Meanwhile, what's really interesting about the scale of piracy of Colin's
>> book is that people see such a demand for it. Its a real compliment in a
>> way, and the more the links proliferate, the more of a compliment it is.
> 
> I don't think we can correlate the number of places it appears and the actual 
> demand for it. It seems to me that everything is being posted these days (the 
> apparently complete Google Play library on androidpit surprised me, but I 
> doubt Casey's Solitaire is getting much traction over there.) We don't really 
> know how many times the items are actually downloaded.
> 
> But like you I do hope it translates to both more legitimate sales of Colin's 
> book, and additional sales of LiveCode.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

See? You and I are a LOT alike!

Bob


On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Would anyone like to hear why somebody who doesn't know when and how
> to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself is running a 
> hole-in-the-wall EFL
> school in a country "at the bottom of the sack" when he could have been 
> something 'great and glorious'?
> 
> No, I thought not . . . all too familiar.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

You shouldn't have done that! 

A 9 mil would have worked just fine...


On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Shawn Blc wrote:

> I bought the PDF version, read it on my pc, uploaded it to my dropbox and
> now have it on my Mac!  I shot my pc with my .45. ;)


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Re: pirate version of my book

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On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

> They say everything has a price.

Especially money.

Not that I'm unwilling to pay that price, up to a point.

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Re: pirate version of my book

[Andrew Kluthe]

They say everything has a price.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Ken Corey  wrote:
> You're right.
>
> My favourite way to feel victimised is for evil, cruel, hard people to throw
> wads of money at me.
>
> Doesn't happen often enough, frankly.
>
> *grin*
>
> -Ken
>
>
> On 03/09/2012 22:19, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>>
>> With a little hard work, anyone can make themselves feel victimized
>> and alienated by anything.
>
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Re: pirate version of my book

[Ken Corey]

You're right.

My favourite way to feel victimised is for evil, cruel, hard people to 
throw wads of money at me.


Doesn't happen often enough, frankly.

*grin*

-Ken

On 03/09/2012 22:19, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

With a little hard work, anyone can make themselves feel victimized
and alienated by anything.


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Re: pirate version of my book

[Andrew Kluthe]

With a little hard work, anyone can make themselves feel victimized
and alienated by anything.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Ken Corey  wrote:
> On 03/09/2012 21:52, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>>
>> discovers the pure gift. The growing passion for stealing books,
>> clothes, food, weapons or jewelry simply for the pleasure of giving
>> them away gives us a glimpse of what the will to live has in store for
>> consumer society.
>
>
> Right!
>
> Uh...
>
> Unless human nature triumphs over plenty, it all goes to pot, and those of
> us not taking for the sake of taking turn into numberless victims.
>
> Jus' sayin'.
>
> -Ken
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Re: pirate version of my book

[Ken Corey]

On 03/09/2012 21:52, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

discovers the pure gift. The growing passion for stealing books,
clothes, food, weapons or jewelry simply for the pleasure of giving
them away gives us a glimpse of what the will to live has in store for
consumer society.


Right!

Uh...

Unless human nature triumphs over plenty, it all goes to pot, and those 
of us not taking for the sake of taking turn into numberless victims.


Jus' sayin'.

-Ken

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Re: pirate version of my book

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The crumbling away of human values under the influence of exchange
mechanisms leads to the crumbling of exchange itself. The
insufficiency of the feudal gift means that new human relationships
must be built on the principle of pure giving. We must rediscover the
pleasure of giving: giving because you have so much. What beautiful
and priceless potlatches the affluent society will see -- whether it
likes it or not! -- when the exuberance of the younger generation
discovers the pure gift. The growing passion for stealing books,
clothes, food, weapons or jewelry simply for the pleasure of giving
them away gives us a glimpse of what the will to live has in store for
consumer society.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Pierre Sahores  wrote:
> Thanks for sharing this, Jeff
>
> Le 3 sept. 2012 à 19:39, Jeff Reynolds a écrit :
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> sorry to hear this about your son. I went back and taught at my old high 
>> school in the early 2000s when mp3 were hitting the fan and copying on the 
>> computer was getting rampant and just the thing kids growing up with as 
>> normal. I was teaching multimedia and since i was also producing it myself i 
>> really tried to talk the kids through the issue in a number of ways and i 
>> set rules what could be done int he lab inside educational guidelines on 
>> copyright and personal stuff. At first the kids thought i was just a dumb 
>> adult, but an interesting thing happened over the course of the year. when i 
>> took the job my aim was to integrate the multimedia into a lot of their 
>> standard assignments so they would be getting a twofer of doing standard 
>> assignments in more fun and different ways and learning good computer and 
>> design skills while doing their regular work. worked swimmingly and the kids 
>> were all producing their own content on a pretty continuous basis. I slowly 
>> saw them change their tune on copying/pirating. Once they got a sense of 
>> doing their own work they mellowed a lot about it and actually started to 
>> see the other side of the coin. it didnt stop all of it, but it was very 
>> heartening to see them listen when we would discuss it and not dismiss me as 
>> a dumb old adult. some came totally around and it was great to see in 
>> general a really good set of ethics being formed. most of the rest at least 
>> seemed to walk away with an internal battle going on about this. not totally 
>> set up yet ethically, but at least the seed was planted and they could not 
>> just ignore their own experience in the computation.
>>
>> i think that sense of creation of something is not felt by many out there in 
>> society. without it the notion that you should be able to get something for 
>> doing that just is to intangible for them to build a good ethical structure 
>> around. While few of the students were true talents in creating stuff, all 
>> of them really enjoyed the process when given the chance, the tools, 
>> encouragement, and some instruction and produced much better product and had 
>> a much better understanding of the lessons than they did doing the standard 
>> writing papers and such. but the real thing i realized they got out of the 
>> process was that aha moment of seeing their own creation come to life. thats 
>> powerful and missing a lot in our culture and really helpful in being able 
>> to see the other side of the coin in these ethical issues. walking in the 
>> other guys shoes is really one of the basic parts of the ethical process.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> jeff
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
>>
>>> When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no 
>>> apparent explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, 
>>> pending identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of 
>>> us would do that?
>>>
>>> My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
>>> other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many 
>>> gigs of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of 
>>> almost any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to 
>>> use pirated software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is 
>>> entirely silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to 
>>> pay for the music I listen to.
>>>
>>> By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
>>> author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.
>>>
>>> My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
>>> possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am 
>>> an old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
>>> possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop 
>>> recording. Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his 
>>> Mom.
>>
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Re: pirate version of my book

[Pierre Sahores]

Thanks for sharing this, Jeff

Le 3 sept. 2012 à 19:39, Jeff Reynolds a écrit :

> Tim,
> 
> sorry to hear this about your son. I went back and taught at my old high 
> school in the early 2000s when mp3 were hitting the fan and copying on the 
> computer was getting rampant and just the thing kids growing up with as 
> normal. I was teaching multimedia and since i was also producing it myself i 
> really tried to talk the kids through the issue in a number of ways and i set 
> rules what could be done int he lab inside educational guidelines on 
> copyright and personal stuff. At first the kids thought i was just a dumb 
> adult, but an interesting thing happened over the course of the year. when i 
> took the job my aim was to integrate the multimedia into a lot of their 
> standard assignments so they would be getting a twofer of doing standard 
> assignments in more fun and different ways and learning good computer and 
> design skills while doing their regular work. worked swimmingly and the kids 
> were all producing their own content on a pretty continuous basis. I slowly 
> saw them change their tune on copying/pirating. Once they got a sense of 
> doing their own work they mellowed a lot about it and actually started to see 
> the other side of the coin. it didnt stop all of it, but it was very 
> heartening to see them listen when we would discuss it and not dismiss me as 
> a dumb old adult. some came totally around and it was great to see in general 
> a really good set of ethics being formed. most of the rest at least seemed to 
> walk away with an internal battle going on about this. not totally set up yet 
> ethically, but at least the seed was planted and they could not just ignore 
> their own experience in the computation.
> 
> i think that sense of creation of something is not felt by many out there in 
> society. without it the notion that you should be able to get something for 
> doing that just is to intangible for them to build a good ethical structure 
> around. While few of the students were true talents in creating stuff, all of 
> them really enjoyed the process when given the chance, the tools, 
> encouragement, and some instruction and produced much better product and had 
> a much better understanding of the lessons than they did doing the standard 
> writing papers and such. but the real thing i realized they got out of the 
> process was that aha moment of seeing their own creation come to life. thats 
> powerful and missing a lot in our culture and really helpful in being able to 
> see the other side of the coin in these ethical issues. walking in the other 
> guys shoes is really one of the basic parts of the ethical process.
> 
> cheers
> 
> jeff
> 
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no 
>> apparent explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, 
>> pending identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of 
>> us would do that?
>> 
>> My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
>> other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many 
>> gigs of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of 
>> almost any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to 
>> use pirated software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is entirely 
>> silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the 
>> music I listen to.
>> 
>> By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
>> author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.
>> 
>> My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
>> possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am 
>> an old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
>> possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop 
>> recording. Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his 
>> Mom.
> 
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Re: pirate version of my book

[Jeff Reynolds]

Tim,

sorry to hear this about your son. I went back and taught at my old high school 
in the early 2000s when mp3 were hitting the fan and copying on the computer 
was getting rampant and just the thing kids growing up with as normal. I was 
teaching multimedia and since i was also producing it myself i really tried to 
talk the kids through the issue in a number of ways and i set rules what could 
be done int he lab inside educational guidelines on copyright and personal 
stuff. At first the kids thought i was just a dumb adult, but an interesting 
thing happened over the course of the year. when i took the job my aim was to 
integrate the multimedia into a lot of their standard assignments so they would 
be getting a twofer of doing standard assignments in more fun and different 
ways and learning good computer and design skills while doing their regular 
work. worked swimmingly and the kids were all producing their own content on a 
pretty continuous basis. I slowly saw them change their tune on 
copying/pirating. Once they got a sense of doing their own work they mellowed a 
lot about it and actually started to see the other side of the coin. it didnt 
stop all of it, but it was very heartening to see them listen when we would 
discuss it and not dismiss me as a dumb old adult. some came totally around and 
it was great to see in general a really good set of ethics being formed. most 
of the rest at least seemed to walk away with an internal battle going on about 
this. not totally set up yet ethically, but at least the seed was planted and 
they could not just ignore their own experience in the computation.

i think that sense of creation of something is not felt by many out there in 
society. without it the notion that you should be able to get something for 
doing that just is to intangible for them to build a good ethical structure 
around. While few of the students were true talents in creating stuff, all of 
them really enjoyed the process when given the chance, the tools, 
encouragement, and some instruction and produced much better product and had a 
much better understanding of the lessons than they did doing the standard 
writing papers and such. but the real thing i realized they got out of the 
process was that aha moment of seeing their own creation come to life. thats 
powerful and missing a lot in our culture and really helpful in being able to 
see the other side of the coin in these ethical issues. walking in the other 
guys shoes is really one of the basic parts of the ethical process.

cheers

jeff

On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

> When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no apparent 
> explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, pending 
> identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of us would 
> do that?
> 
> My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
> other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many 
> gigs of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of 
> almost any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to use 
> pirated software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is entirely 
> silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the 
> music I listen to.
> 
> By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
> author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.
> 
> My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
> possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am 
> an old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
> possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop 
> recording. Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his 
> Mom.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Kay C Lan]

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Timothy Miller <
gand...@doctortimothymiller.com> wrote:

>
> My 24 year old son has a normal conscience ... His conscience is entirely
> silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the
> music I listen to.
>
> Oh, then he could join the Facebook page my son started "Hands Up If Your
Dad's a Loser" because not only do I pay for music and software, but if I
discover my family have watched a movie 'online' whilst I'm a way, I go out
and buy it.

I'd give you the link so your son could sign up but I'm not on Facebook
myself.

For those who'd like an insight into another aspect of Chinese piracy, this
current affair report on 'The People's Republic of Cheating' might be of
interest:

http://programme.tvb.com/news/pearlreport/video/739/133389?page=1
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Ken Corey]

I have always had an inkling that the best way to beat piracy is
1) to give users a reason to keep contacting you (regularly upgraded 
content/capabilities).

2) making it /easy/, even automatic in your app, to contact you.

Both of which Runrev has gotten fairly right, at least for those of us 
on the dev track.


I wonder if that's why you didn't find bootleg copies out there?

Either that or Kevin's got a crack-shot solicitor in his pocket.

-Ken

On 02/09/2012 22:17, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

But do you think that there could be a case for a package of Colin's book
with something like a Media for Android?  Limited, but functional, and a
real introduction?  Because I found with relief that there seem to be no
bootleg copies of Rev out there, at least not yet.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Peter Alcibiades]

Understand that availability is not the same as demand.  I was curious about
the extent of this thing and looked for 50 Shades of   Pages and pages
of them.  Presumably that is at least partly demand, though it doesn't seem
to be hitting sales.

But do you think that there could be a case for a package of Colin's book
with something like a Media for Android?  Limited, but functional, and a
real introduction?  Because I found with relief that there seem to be no
bootleg copies of Rev out there, at least not yet.

Peter



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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 09/02/2012 10:17 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:



My son's behavior gives me pain.


That's what children are for; to cause their parents pain.



Meanwhile, maybe we should zoom out and look at the bigger picture. About sixteen percent of the 
world's population consumes 80% of its resources. This is not exactly fair, either. Are we all 
pirates, squabbling among ourselves for a "fair" share of the loot? Maybe 
"fair" is an illusion, often self-serving.


'Fair' is fairly unfair. However the open-source movement exists for 
those who cannot pay.


The simple fact is that thousands of programmers (squeaky Stallman among 
them) have given
a lot of their time and effort to provide an alternative to expensive 
software.


I have, in front of me, 2 computers that I paid about 100 Euros (for the 
2 of them), a flat screen
monitor I paid 100 Euros for, and another flat-screen monitor I 
inherited from an aunty who died.
One is my main Linux work-horse, the other is my faux-Mac, running Mac 
OS 10.6.8 inside
VMplayer. I don't feel that "all you rich types out there" have somehow 
cheated me, nor do I feel

hard done by in that my 2 machines are 2-4 years "out-of-date".

I cannot afford Windows and the expensive virus-fuelled consequences of 
using it, nor can I afford Adobe programmes . . . (admittedly I don't 
like Windows very much anyway) . . .


So Ubuntu, GIMP and Inkscape are there for the likes of me, as are 
Audacity, Fontforge and so forth.


There really is no reason to steal software nowadays as there are a vast 
number of alternatives

to Commercial software.

I cannot afford a new Macintosh computer, but a while back I was able to 
buy an install disk of Mac OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard) so now I can run it in 
VMplayer on a Linux box - using, with the sole exception

of RunRev Livecode, open source software.



What is bad (quite apart from the moral problems associated with crap 
like border and immigration
controls) is that Microsoft have so successfully got a grip on people's 
minds that they would far
rather run pirate Windows, pirate Microsoft Office, pirate Photoshop, et 
al, than go for the

Open Source & Free alternatives.

To a certain extent, until Microsoft stop shoving their product down 
people's throats in quite
such a full-on fashion, while not condoning piracy, I find myself not 
really caring about the fact
that a fat percentage of the world is merrily steaming along on pirate 
Microsoft and Adobe products;
and, as they already make buckets of money from legitimate sales, I 
really wonder how much it fusses them.


---

However, as we are all aware, stealing from a giant can lead to stealing 
from smaller people; and
it is the smaller people who suffer more. I don't have a lawyer to push 
through thumping great

legal cases when my stuff gets nicked!

---

Richmond.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 09/02/2012 10:16 PM, Ken Corey wrote:
Real numbers will be hard to come by obviously, but androidpit seems 
to claim that they provide for those in eastern europe and russia (and 
maybe down into the far east for all I know), as they claim to have 
set up deals with merchant providers in those countries.


Not over here in Bulgaria. NO self-respecting Bulgarian will pay for 
anything is s/he thinks they can
get hold of it for free; as a result no pirate software gets SOLD over 
here - just ripped-off, plain

and simple.




Android pit seem to be working all the angles.  You must deposit money 
with them (in multiples of $5, I think), and purchase out of those 
funds...so there's a tidy profit in the tied-up funds sitting in their 
account.


Incidentally, the app we released was on sale for $199.99, the max the 
Google play store will accept in the US. On AndroidPit it was 
available for $239.99.  As if they needed even /more/ markup!?!


Then, you must install an androidpit installer app, setting your 
device to allow apps from unknown sources.


So, it's illegal there, and it's /easier/ and *cheaper* on Google Play.

I guess that I'm saying they probably aren't taking a huge bite out of 
most people's earnings.


Gads, I *hope* people aren't stupid enough to buy from them, at least 
in the markets Google Play inhabits.


-Ken

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 09/02/2012 10:00 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/2/12 2:18 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Meanwhile, what's really interesting about the scale of piracy of 
Colin's

book is that people see such a demand for it. Its a real compliment in a
way, and the more the links proliferate, the more of a compliment it is.


I don't think we can correlate the number of places it appears and the 
actual demand for it. It seems to me that everything is being posted 
these days (the apparently complete Google Play library on androidpit 
surprised me, but I doubt Casey's Solitaire is getting much traction 
over there.) We don't really know how many times the items are 
actually downloaded.


This is really a sort of infantilism, where the person(s) who pirates 
the software/pdf puts it in
as many places as possible, not because they will benefit from people 
downloading it, or in
any other way, but just as a way of saying 'nyah, nyah, nyah' to the 
person who did all the work.




But like you I do hope it translates to both more legitimate sales of 
Colin's book, and additional sales of LiveCode.





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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Timothy Miller]

When immoral behavior becomes common, profitable, and more or less anonymous, 
it is no longer generally regarded as immoral. If the victim is distant 
stranger, or an abstraction, like a corporation, the sense of immorality 
diminishes further.

When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no apparent 
explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, pending 
identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of us would do 
that?

My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many gigs 
of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of almost 
any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to use pirated 
software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is entirely silent on 
these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the music I 
listen to.

By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.

My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am an 
old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop recording. 
Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his Mom.

Meanwhile, maybe we should zoom out and look at the bigger picture. About 
sixteen percent of the world's population consumes 80% of its resources. This 
is not exactly fair, either. Are we all pirates, squabbling among ourselves for 
a "fair" share of the loot? Maybe "fair" is an illusion, often self-serving.

Dukkha.

Tim 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Ken Corey]

Real numbers will be hard to come by obviously, but androidpit seems to 
claim that they provide for those in eastern europe and russia (and 
maybe down into the far east for all I know), as they claim to have set 
up deals with merchant providers in those countries.


Android pit seem to be working all the angles.  You must deposit money 
with them (in multiples of $5, I think), and purchase out of those 
funds...so there's a tidy profit in the tied-up funds sitting in their 
account.


Incidentally, the app we released was on sale for $199.99, the max the 
Google play store will accept in the US. On AndroidPit it was available 
for $239.99.  As if they needed even /more/ markup!?!


Then, you must install an androidpit installer app, setting your device 
to allow apps from unknown sources.


So, it's illegal there, and it's /easier/ and *cheaper* on Google Play.

I guess that I'm saying they probably aren't taking a huge bite out of 
most people's earnings.


Gads, I *hope* people aren't stupid enough to buy from them, at least in 
the markets Google Play inhabits.


-Ken

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/2/12 2:18 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Meanwhile, what's really interesting about the scale of piracy of Colin's
book is that people see such a demand for it. Its a real compliment in a
way, and the more the links proliferate, the more of a compliment it is.


I don't think we can correlate the number of places it appears and the 
actual demand for it. It seems to me that everything is being posted 
these days (the apparently complete Google Play library on androidpit 
surprised me, but I doubt Casey's Solitaire is getting much traction 
over there.) We don't really know how many times the items are actually 
downloaded.


But like you I do hope it translates to both more legitimate sales of 
Colin's book, and additional sales of LiveCode.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 09/02/2012 12:00 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

Richmond:
Maybe you find your adopted country enchanting, and its people honest and
real, as I sense you have a mission of duty, service and goodness that is
underneath your expressive and somewhat crusty exterior. Your
self-depreciating comments aside, in my view, you have true integrity.



Bless you!

Bulgaria is NOT my adopted country.

"enchanting"; hardly, but good in parts like almost everywhere else.

And its people are, on the whole, thoroughly dishonest; although they
are, in every sense of the word REAL - and maybe more honest than in certain
other countries insofar as they are honest about their dishonesty; that 
is to say,
unlike other countries where people labour long and hard to protest 
their honesty
and good intentions while doing their best to stab you in the back, most 
Bulgarians

are very straightforward in their dishonesty.

'integrity' . . . possibly; but that doesn't really do me much good when
it comes to paying bills.

However, the one advantage of living in a country such as Bulgaria is 
that after a while

one can see that those countries that would tell you they are so much more
superior are nothing of the sort, just, by being bigger and having more 
money, they can

bully and strut, and make a good show.

Notwithstanding the above, I am not a great fan of people stealing other 
people's work,

and invest quite a bit of time and effort to minimise people pinching mine.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Kay C Lan]

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Richmond wrote:

>
> Would anyone like to hear why somebody who doesn't know when and how
> to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself is running a
> hole-in-the-wall EFL
> school in a country "at the bottom of the sack" when he could have been
> something 'great and glorious'?
>
> No, I thought not . . . all too familiar.
>

Been there, done that...

Is that why this List is so nice, so many have chosen right and honesty
over every other alternative.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Peter Alcibiades]

The problem is, people are being caught in the middle of a massive technology
change and consequent change in markets caused by no-cost untraceable easy
anonymous replication, and its not going back to the way it was.  Don't know
the answer, but like it or not, there is obviously no going back to the old
model of more or less guaranteed payment for every copy owned.

Meanwhile, what's really interesting about the scale of piracy of Colin's
book is that people see such a demand for it. Its a real compliment in a
way, and the more the links proliferate, the more of a compliment it is.

Will it translate into paid sales of LiveCode?   Or simply an extension of
piracy efforts to the language itself?  Be interesting to see.  But there is
clearly a very substantial demand for simplet mobile programming IDE and
manuals than the mainstream ones, and Colin certainly seems to have hit a
sweet spot.  There must be some way to exploit it with a Rev + Manual
package directed at the people who are downloading the book, and are now in
want of an IDE to go with it!



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Re: pirate version of my book...

[arul selvan]

colinhe
your mail prompted me to go buy the book from packt online. the ebook  is
quite affordable here in india by the way.
thanks for writing it.
arul


On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I'm sure it's as someone suggested, that the file sent to the printers got
> copied. That file would of course not have any encryption on it, it has to
> be printable. Any of the files going from me to the publisher were Word
> files, that looked radically different to the final layout, so the copy
> came from a file that was made well after my involvement.
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:46 PM, tbodine  wrote:
>
> > >Is there any advice you can offer now to protect against a similar loss?
> > Would an encrypted hard drive or some other tech solution have helped?
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[-=>JB<=-]

Not at this time but I wish I could.  It is nice to see the
publisher of Colin's book respond to the pirating.

-=>JB<=-



On Sep 1, 2012, at 5:46 PM, tbodine wrote:

> Sorry you suffered that loss, JB. 
> 
> Is there any advice you can offer now to protect against a similar loss?
> Would an encrypted hard drive or some other tech solution have helped?
> 
> -- Tom Bodine
> 
> 
> 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/1/12 2:08 PM, Ken Corey wrote:

Yep.

Two days after releasing my app on the Google Play store, it showed up
on adroidpit.com for sale.  Of course, at 130% of the cost on the
android store...and without any chance of us making any money off it.


Mine's there too, and it looks like it's a mirror of the entire Play store.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

I'm sure it's as someone suggested, that the file sent to the printers got 
copied. That file would of course not have any encryption on it, it has to be 
printable. Any of the files going from me to the publisher were Word files, 
that looked radically different to the final layout, so the copy came from a 
file that was made well after my involvement.


On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:46 PM, tbodine  wrote:

> >Is there any advice you can offer now to protect against a similar loss?
> Would an encrypted hard drive or some other tech solution have helped?

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pirate version of my book...

[stgoldb...@aol.com]

 Colin, regarding the pirating of your book, as a publishing company, we are 
faced with the pirating problem every day, and have someone scanning the 
Internet each day for illegal uploads of our books.  According to the law, 
unfortunately, upload sites are not required to confirm that the uploader has 
the legal copyright to the work.  However, once the publisher finds out about 
the piracy and informs the upload site of the illegal posting, the site is 
required by law, subject to significant monetary penalty, to take the upload 
off their site, which in our experience they nearly always do.  The pirate may 
try again, so it is necessary for the publisher to keep vigilance.  I'm glad 
that your publisher will be taking antitheft measures.  Below is a sample of 
how such communication is legally phrased, between our company and the illegal 
site.  I bought the print copy of your book (legally) and am looking forward to 
reading it thoroughly,

Stephen Goldberg, President
Medmaster Publishing Co.
www.medmaster.net


http://www.2shared.com/file/5RyLi3WX/clinical_microbiology_Made_Rid.html
>   Pursuant to 17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement 
that:
>1. I am the duly authorized representative of the exclusive rights 
holder for  the book "Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple."
>2. These exclusive rights are being violated by material available 
upon your site at the following URL(s):
>   
>   'http://www.2shared.com/file/5RyLi3WX/clinical_microbiology_Made_Rid.html'
>   
>   3. I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such 
> a 
fashion is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's 
agent, 
or the law;
>4. Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I 
state that the information contained in this notification is accurate, and that 
I am authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the 
material in question;
>5. I may be contacted by the following methods:
>   
>   PH# 954-962-8414
>   Fax 954-962-4508
>   email: mm...@aol.com
 
I hereby request that you remove or disable access to this material as it 
appears on your service in as expedient a fashion as possible. Thank you.
>   Regards,
>   Michael Goldberg,
>   Medmaster Inc.



Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:26:45 -0400
From: Colin Holgate 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Subject: pirate version of my book...
Message-ID: <50fddd76-ac11-42b4-9260-bff1d13b2...@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book. I'll report it to the publisher (though I 
doubt they'll have the power to do much about it), but thought some of you 
might 
be interested to look it over. You can decide for yourself if you take the PDF 
and use it, or perhaps go on to get the real thing!




 

 
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[tbodine]

Sorry you suffered that loss, JB. 

Is there any advice you can offer now to protect against a similar loss?
Would an encrypted hard drive or some other tech solution have helped?

-- Tom Bodine




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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Mark Wieder]

Richmond-

Saturday, September 1, 2012, 1:45:47 PM, you wrote:

> Would anyone like to hear why somebody who doesn't know when and how
> to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself is running a 

 Some of us have more sense than money...

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[stephen barncard]

Richmond:
Maybe you find your adopted country enchanting, and its people honest and
real, as I sense you have a mission of duty, service and goodness that is
underneath your expressive and somewhat crusty exterior. Your
self-depreciating comments aside, in my view, you have true integrity.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 09/01/2012 11:32 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
>>
>>
> Would anyone like to hear why somebody who doesn't know when and how
> to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself is running a
> hole-in-the-wall EFL
> school in a country "at the bottom of the sack" when he could have been
> something 'great and glorious'?
>
> No, I thought not . . . all too familiar.
>
>
>
>>
>> Stephen Barncard
San Francisco Ca. USA

more about sqb  
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[Richmond]

On 09/01/2012 11:32 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Ken Corey  wrote:

I'm going to write a very sternly worded letter to my parents about
instilling a sense of justice, misguided though it may be.

My parents and the Jebbies . . .

I had the mistiming to be raised in Silicon Valley but at just about
the exact midpoint between the APple Generation and the dotcom
generation . . .

Between High School and College (in town, at Santa Clara) I landed a
programming spot in a startup.  I was the boy wonder and golden child
for the organization, and made the only piece of the whole product
that worked right.

However, in the process, I was also meeting and getting to know the SV
venture capitalists.

Between right & wrong, and personal loyalty (a friend I brought in got
scapegoated for honesty; he didn't even know he was supposed to be
lying about the money removed from the machines . . .), I left long
before the inevitable failure of the company, but with a couple years
less of meeting the Powers That Be.

I could have had my own company on graduation, but right and wrong got
in the way . . .


Would anyone like to hear why somebody who doesn't know when and how
to keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself is running a 
hole-in-the-wall EFL
school in a country "at the bottom of the sack" when he could have been 
something 'great and glorious'?


No, I thought not . . . all too familiar.




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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Ken Corey  wrote:
>
> I'm going to write a very sternly worded letter to my parents about
> instilling a sense of justice, misguided though it may be.

My parents and the Jebbies . . .

I had the mistiming to be raised in Silicon Valley but at just about
the exact midpoint between the APple Generation and the dotcom
generation . . .

Between High School and College (in town, at Santa Clara) I landed a
programming spot in a startup.  I was the boy wonder and golden child
for the organization, and made the only piece of the whole product
that worked right.

However, in the process, I was also meeting and getting to know the SV
venture capitalists.

Between right & wrong, and personal loyalty (a friend I brought in got
scapegoated for honesty; he didn't even know he was supposed to be
lying about the money removed from the machines . . .), I left long
before the inevitable failure of the company, but with a couple years
less of meeting the Powers That Be.

I could have had my own company on graduation, but right and wrong got
in the way . . .


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 1 sept. 2012 à 20:37, Richmond a écrit :

> On 09/01/2012 09:26 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>> Colin,
>> 
>> Sorry for the sad story and experience we all have to mind about. The 
>> "PacktLib" version of your great book lies behind on my iPad Stanza viewer 
>> all along the mobile dev days. A so useful reference book to anyone who need 
>> to short up its LiveCode mobile learning curve. Thanks for having written it 
>> !
>> 
>> "Les méchants ont peut-être compris quelque chose que les bons ignorent." 
>> Woddy Allen
> 
> Presumably "Woddy Allen" is the pirate version of 'Woody Allen' . . . LOL.
> 
> Sorry, could not resist that one.

You welcome "rieur" ;)
> 
> I am sure that almost everybody on this use-list has had some of their worked 
> ripped-off,
> in one way or another. This is, unfortunately, the way the world seems to 
> work, and one can only
> try to go for "damage limitation".

In about security of electronic books, http://www.htmldoc.org/ should provide a 
good way to go. I used it extensively before and because all 
(webserver+appserver+rdbms) dynamically build HTML contents can be published  
on the fly as PDF, it should be more difficult for the pirates to extract 
complete books without pain of hand-made work as soon as a solid authentication 
system is set to protect the contents server access. More work for Saas 
architects to expect ;-)

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Ken Corey]

Yep.

Two days after releasing my app on the Google Play store, it showed up 
on adroidpit.com for sale.  Of course, at 130% of the cost on the 
android store...and without any chance of us making any money off it.


If I didn't love making software, I wouldn't be doing it (I'd likely be 
stealing from all you good folks...:^)


I'm going to write a very sternly worded letter to my parents about 
instilling a sense of justice, misguided though it may be.


-Ken

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 09/01/2012 09:26 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

Colin,

Sorry for the sad story and experience we all have to mind about. The 
"PacktLib" version of your great book lies behind on my iPad Stanza viewer all 
along the mobile dev days. A so useful reference book to anyone who need to short up its 
LiveCode mobile learning curve. Thanks for having written it !

"Les méchants ont peut-être compris quelque chose que les bons ignorent." Woddy 
Allen


Presumably "Woddy Allen" is the pirate version of 'Woody Allen' . . . LOL.

Sorry, could not resist that one.

I am sure that almost everybody on this use-list has had some of their 
worked ripped-off,
in one way or another. This is, unfortunately, the way the world seems 
to work, and one can only

try to go for "damage limitation".



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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Pierre Sahores]

Colin,

Sorry for the sad story and experience we all have to mind about. The 
"PacktLib" version of your great book lies behind on my iPad Stanza viewer all 
along the mobile dev days. A so useful reference book to anyone who need to 
short up its LiveCode mobile learning curve. Thanks for having written it !

"Les méchants ont peut-être compris quelque chose que les bons ignorent." Woddy 
Allen


Le 1 sept. 2012 à 15:43, Colin Holgate a écrit :

> Thanks for the info. I'm still not really too bothered or worried, I'm much 
> more worried that someone finds the book useful, even if they are a pirate!
> 
> As for Rev, they are already in touch with the publisher to talk about ways 
> in which to promote the book.


Kind regards,
--
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mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

Thanks for the info. I'm still not really too bothered or worried, I'm much 
more worried that someone finds the book useful, even if they are a pirate!

As for Rev, they are already in touch with the publisher to talk about ways in 
which to promote the book.



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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Peter Alcibiades]

Colin, afraid its out and all over.  I googled for the title, and came on
lots and lots of download links.  

Why not reach an agreement with Rev to package a copy with every license? 
The thing one has to think is that this is understandably upsetting for the
author/owner.  But actually, like it or not, the model is bust. 

What might be needed is for the beneficiary to pay something, and the
beneficiary here is clearly Rev.  Out there, freely available, is what is
probably (its not my field, judging from the reactions) and excellent
introductory book which is a real asset to LiveCode.  Admittedly they did
not ask to have it written, but now it is, surely they could take advantage
and help you at the same time?

Peter



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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Kay C Lan]

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I'll report it to the publisher (though I doubt they'll have the power to
> do much about it)
>

Unfortunately they are probably the cause.

My guess is the hard copies of the book were printed in China, in which
case the digital copy that was sent to the printer 'found' it's way to
Doc88.com.

Big Names, such as Apple and their contract with Foxcon, have enough sway
to ensure bits don't go 'missing' and outsourcers don't make copies. These
days the companies that do the fake iPads etc actually have to buy one and
then reverse engineer it.

Small companies though just don't have the clout. Any and every company
that sends anything to China will have copies of their stuff made, in some
cases in exactly the same factory (so no reverse engineering necessary,
just change the logos and the box it ships in), in others it will be passed
on.

The speed with which your book has made it to the Chinese cybersphere
suggests to me that Doc88.com has contacts in a number of publishing
companies and simply pays a backhander for each electronic copy sent it's
way, regardless of the title, it's language, or any other criteria.

As you say, you are so small that you are unlikely to loose too many sales
to this site, so your dilema really is do you want your book to become so
succesful that you do start loosing a significant portion of your sales to
the pirates, or are you content with being small an not becoming the next
Danny Goodman ;-)
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Chipp Walters]

FWIW, the pirated version DID remind me to go to Packt Publishing and
purchase your book!

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> Sorry to hear that. It's one of the big problems with printing in PDF.
> Still, my guess is you lost only a few sales, as most who would pirate
> wouldn't pay for it anyway. There are some PDF fullfillment which can print
> a watermark on each page of the email address with which the PDF was
> purchased with. I'm not sure they are much better at stopping this sort of
> thing.
>
> Best of luck with your book!
>
> -C
>



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CEO, Altuit, Inc.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Colin,

Sorry to hear that. It's one of the big problems with printing in PDF.
Still, my guess is you lost only a few sales, as most who would pirate
wouldn't pay for it anyway. There are some PDF fullfillment which can print
a watermark on each page of the email address with which the PDF was
purchased with. I'm not sure they are much better at stopping this sort of
thing.

Best of luck with your book!

-C
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Shawn Blc]

I bought the PDF version, read it on my pc, uploaded it to my dropbox and
now have it on my Mac!  I shot my pc with my .45. ;)

To bad the pirated copy doesn't have the license/copyright information,
buyer name, buyer address, and purchase date like my copy does.   At least
then you'd have a place to start.  Not that it'd matter though.

Anyone contemplating buying a copy ... it's worth the few bucks.  Colin did
an excellent job!




On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I bought a couple of variations, including the iBooks and Kindle ones, and
> I think generally I like the iBooks one more.
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Alex Tweedly  wrote:
>
> > in the UK , the iBooks version (which I bought yesterday) costs £16.99
> > the Kindle version (which I *should* have bought) costs
> £12.95
> >
> > I guess it was a mistake to choose this book to try out iBooks with :-(
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

I bought a couple of variations, including the iBooks and Kindle ones, and I 
think generally I like the iBooks one more.


On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Alex Tweedly  wrote:

> in the UK , the iBooks version (which I bought yesterday) costs £16.99
> the Kindle version (which I *should* have bought) costs £12.95
> 
> I guess it was a mistake to choose this book to try out iBooks with :-(

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Alex Tweedly]

On 31/08/2012 23:03, Colin Holgate wrote:

Thanks for that! I actually don't mind about the pirate version, I didn't write 
the book thinking I would make much money from doing that. It was more to help 
me learn things for myself, and the experience of writing a book.


Talking about money 

in the UK , the iBooks version (which I bought yesterday) costs £16.99
 the Kindle version (which I *should* have bought) 
costs £12.95


I guess it was a mistake to choose this book to try out iBooks with :-(

But even so, I really like the book - thank you for writing it; I'll 
probably use the hard copy most.

-- Alex.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

Thanks for that! I actually don't mind about the pirate version, I didn't write 
the book thinking I would make much money from doing that. It was more to help 
me learn things for myself, and the experience of writing a book.


On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Jim Kanter  wrote:

> >I looked at a few pages, liked what I saw, and bought it.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Peter Haworth]

A few years ago, my band played a festival in Shanghai.  You can't sell CDs
over there for more than $3-$4.  I think the second night we were there, we
went to the huge market there that sells knockoffs of Rolex watches, Tommy
Bahamas shirts, etc, etc and found our CD on sale for $1.  We were kinda
flattered in a way!

Not quite on topic, but I hope you never have to get involved with
collecting royalties on musical works you write.  A nightmare, at least
here in the USA.

Pete
lcSQL Software 



On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Richmond wrote:

> I wish them good luck with the Chinese.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Keith (Gulf Breeze Ortho Lab)]

Hi Colin,

I am very sorry to hear about this situation. And just to let you know, I 
ordered a hardcopy of your book on 8/17/12 (and would have still done so 
even if I had known about a pirated copy). Nice work on the book, and again, 
I am very sorry to hear about the piracy issue. (Very, very disturbing to 
say the least.)


Sincerely,

- Boo
Gulf Breeze, Florida

P.S. Amazon got the book here fast!

-Original Message- 
From: Colin Holgate

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 12:50 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: pirate version of my book...

It doesn't bother me too much, I doubt that many of the potential users of
the book would find that page. I mean, if you discount the fact that I just
emailed the link to a lot of them! I did report it, and it seems the
publisher does have an anti-piracy department.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[-=>JB<=-]

The problem is many are being held captive and are
forced to comply with their captors.  It is seen in many
ways in society including forcing them to isolate select
people from society.

The good point is we have reached a breaking point &
people who are involved are sickened by the crimes
they and others are forced to commit.

The majority want to be set free but do not know how
to break away.

When the truth is exposed many will suddenly come
forward because they have been wanting to and were
too afraid or did not know who to trust and who to tell.

-=>JB<=-


On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 8/31/12 3:44 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:
> 
>> You say you lost money because your app was released.  I
>> lost my code and business records.  The app to be stolen
>> after it is released is not as bad as stealing it and your code
>> when nobody had legal access to it such as buying it.
> 
> You're right. That's horrible. I'm not sure I'd have been able to forget 
> about it or ignore it.
> 
> I do not understand humanity.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[-=>JB<=-]

The FBI are fact collectors and felt it was okay to release
private info about Steve Jobs they collected while at the
same time ignoring national security threats I told them
about.

http://www.generalcuestar.com/news/index/jobs_fbi_files.html

They have the facts because I made sure to file it in such
a way they were forced to keep records.

-=>JB<=-


On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I wouldn't be too hard on the FBI. They only have so much resources, so 
> cyber-crimes causing less than a certain amount of damage to a company or 
> individual don't even show up on their radar until (used to be) $5000 or 
> more, and even then they can only investigate something like 5% of those! 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:55 PM, -=>JB wrote:
> 
>> The thieves are so bad in the Seattle-Tacoma area they took
>> years of software I developed and it was never even put on
>> the market or given to anyone for ant reason.  It included my
>> business and personal records too.
>> 
>> If you are not rich the FBI do not care and neither does any
>> one else for that matter.  If you are rich and famous and a
>> single photo is stolen of your child they investigate and file
>> serious charges against the criminals.
>> 
>> -=>JB<=-
> 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/31/12 3:44 PM, -=>JB<=- wrote:


You say you lost money because your app was released.  I
lost my code and business records.  The app to be stolen
after it is released is not as bad as stealing it and your code
when nobody had legal access to it such as buying it.


You're right. That's horrible. I'm not sure I'd have been able to forget 
about it or ignore it.


I do not understand humanity.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

I wouldn't be too hard on the FBI. They only have so much resources, so 
cyber-crimes causing less than a certain amount of damage to a company or 
individual don't even show up on their radar until (used to be) $5000 or more, 
and even then they can only investigate something like 5% of those! 

Bob


On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:55 PM, -=>JB wrote:

> The thieves are so bad in the Seattle-Tacoma area they took
> years of software I developed and it was never even put on
> the market or given to anyone for ant reason.  It included my
> business and personal records too.
> 
> If you are not rich the FBI do not care and neither does any
> one else for that matter.  If you are rich and famous and a
> single photo is stolen of your child they investigate and file
> serious charges against the criminals.
> 
> -=>JB<=-


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Paul Hibbert]

On 2012-08-31, at 10:26 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

> I chanced across this Chinese page:

Funny how the page has a © Copyright notice at the bottom. :-/ What they would 
do if someone ripped off their stuff.

Please I paid for my copy.

Paul
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

People get away with a lot of crimes these days because of the petty nature of 
the crime. It goes to illustrate I think that old saying by one of the founding 
fathers of America John Adams, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and 
religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Laws do not stop people from doing bad things. It's why creating more and more 
legislation cannot really change anything for the better. 

Bob

 
On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:

> I have had many commercial titles stolen over the years.  In addition,
> my wife is a well known graphics artist (www.CreativeDust.com) and is
> ALWAYS getting her stuff stolen; appears in other people books, apps,
> websites, etc.  It is so hard to fight that we finally gave up.  In
> the end, there is really nothing you can do to really fight it.  I
> would rather spend my time and energy on creating new things instead
> of wasting it on negative things.
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> SKIP
> 
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Richmond  wrote:
>> On 08/31/2012 10:03 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>> 
>>> The way I look at it, finding a pirated copy of your software out
>>> there on the Internet is the ultimate compliment. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes, it can be seen as that; but when somebody else is actually making money
>> out of your work
>> that could be defined as "laying the compliments on a bit thick."
>> 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[-=>JB<=-]

The issue is worse than you can imagine.  For one thing my
business records being tampered with or stolen is a federal
offense and so is stealing my software.

You say they were using it without paying me which is true
but they had all of my code and this was very sophisticated
software.  That is about as serious as you can get when it
comes to taking software.

You say you lost money because your app was released.  I
lost my code and business records.  The app to be stolen
after it is released is not as bad as stealing it and your code
when nobody had legal access to it such as buying it.

-=>JB<=-


On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 8/31/12 2:13 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>> I have had many commercial titles stolen over the years.  In addition,
>> my wife is a well known graphics artist (www.CreativeDust.com) and is
>> ALWAYS getting her stuff stolen; appears in other people books, apps,
>> websites, etc.  It is so hard to fight that we finally gave up.  In
>> the end, there is really nothing you can do to really fight it.  I
>> would rather spend my time and energy on creating new things instead
>> of wasting it on negative things.
> 
> I understand, and usually I agree. But I do see a difference between 
> theoretical lost revenue because your stuff is being used for free, and 
> actively lost income because someone else is selling your stuff at a lower 
> cost, which brings in real money. This one set up a fake business and sold my 
> app.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

A kind of complimentary gobsmack in the face eh?

On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 08/31/2012 10:03 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>> The way I look at it, finding a pirated copy of your software out
>> there on the Internet is the ultimate compliment. :)
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes, it can be seen as that; but when somebody else is actually making money 
> out of your work
> that could be defined as "laying the compliments on a bit thick."

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Bob Sneidar]

Was it the Chinese government that pirated the book?? Man, you sure get noticed 
by the big dogs! ;-)

On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Richmond wrote:

> On 08/31/2012 08:50 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>> It doesn't bother me too much, I doubt that many of the potential users of 
>> the book would find that page. I mean, if you discount the fact that I just 
>> emailed the link to a lot of them! I did report it, and it seems the 
>> publisher does have an anti-piracy department.
> 
> I wish them good luck with the Chinese.
> 
> Remember the Boeing copy? And that was state-sponsored.
> 
> What chance does one have up against a state that has no morals?
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Ken Corey]

This will probably not cheer you up; but I found
versions of the FREE version of my Devawriter available on torrent sites.


Oh man!  I *hate* that.

According to RIAA accounting, you're out *millions*...maybe even >billions<.

-Ken

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/31/12 2:13 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:

I have had many commercial titles stolen over the years.  In addition,
my wife is a well known graphics artist (www.CreativeDust.com) and is
ALWAYS getting her stuff stolen; appears in other people books, apps,
websites, etc.  It is so hard to fight that we finally gave up.  In
the end, there is really nothing you can do to really fight it.  I
would rather spend my time and energy on creating new things instead
of wasting it on negative things.


I understand, and usually I agree. But I do see a difference between 
theoretical lost revenue because your stuff is being used for free, and 
actively lost income because someone else is selling your stuff at a 
lower cost, which brings in real money. This one set up a fake business 
and sold my app.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Jim Kanter]

I looked at a few pages, liked what I saw, and bought it.

Content creators should be paid for their work.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 08/31/2012 10:13 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:

I have had many commercial titles stolen over the years.  In addition,
my wife is a well known graphics artist (www.CreativeDust.com) and is
ALWAYS getting her stuff stolen; appears in other people books, apps,
websites, etc.  It is so hard to fight that we finally gave up.  In
the end, there is really nothing you can do to really fight it.  I
would rather spend my time and energy on creating new things instead
of wasting it on negative things.

Just my two cents.

SKIP


Well, I don't know about anything else, but I certainly did enjoy a look 
at your wife's website -


ties right in with earlier postings today vis-a-vis faeries and/or fairies

and makes me thing of Wightwick manor (which I visited about 30 years 
ago) [pronounced 'Wittick']


http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/wightwick-manor/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wightwick_Manor

AND, even if the front does look exactly like a mirror-image of the 
front of Bhaktivedanta manor (Yuck)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhaktivedanta_Manor

if you are ever over in England, your wife will have every right to belt 
you over

the head with a frying pan if you don't take her there!

Between you, me and everybody else on the LIvecode Use-list (!?!) I 
suggest you steer well clear of Bhaktivedanta manor!


Richmond.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Petrides, M.D. Marian]

I have the real thing and am happy to have paid you for it.  It clearly took a 
lot of work to put this together. You deserve recompense.

On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> I chanced across this Chinese page:
> 
> http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html
> 
> It has the entire PDF of my book. I'll report it to the publisher (though I 
> doubt they'll have the power to do much about it), but thought some of you 
> might be interested to look it over. You can decide for yourself if you take 
> the PDF and use it, or perhaps go on to get the real thing!
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[-=>JB<=-]

The thieves are so bad in the Seattle-Tacoma area they took
years of software I developed and it was never even put on
the market or given to anyone for ant reason.  It included my
business and personal records too.

If you are not rich the FBI do not care and neither does any
one else for that matter.  If you are rich and famous and a
single photo is stolen of your child they investigate and file
serious charges against the criminals.

-=>JB<=-



On Aug 31, 2012, at 11:56 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 8/31/12 1:49 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> On 08/31/2012 08:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> On 8/31/12 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:
 I chanced across this Chinese page:
 
 http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html
 
 It has the entire PDF of my book.
>>> 
>>> That didn't take long, did it.
>>> 
>>> Even though I know this happens routinely, it still pisses me off.
>> 
>> Of course it pisses you off; after all, I don't know about you, but I,
>> either
>> want to get paid for my work, or, alternatively, if my work is to be
>> given away for free,
>> would far rather that be my decision.
> 
> One of my apps was pirated and RESOLD. I didn't see a cent. That was some 
> years ago and I'm still reacting to it.
> 
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

I have had many commercial titles stolen over the years.  In addition,
my wife is a well known graphics artist (www.CreativeDust.com) and is
ALWAYS getting her stuff stolen; appears in other people books, apps,
websites, etc.  It is so hard to fight that we finally gave up.  In
the end, there is really nothing you can do to really fight it.  I
would rather spend my time and energy on creating new things instead
of wasting it on negative things.

Just my two cents.

SKIP

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> On 08/31/2012 10:03 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>
>> The way I look at it, finding a pirated copy of your software out
>> there on the Internet is the ultimate compliment. :)
>>
>>
>
> Yes, it can be seen as that; but when somebody else is actually making money
> out of your work
> that could be defined as "laying the compliments on a bit thick."
>
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 08/31/2012 10:03 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:

The way I look at it, finding a pirated copy of your software out
there on the Internet is the ultimate compliment. :)




Yes, it can be seen as that; but when somebody else is actually making 
money out of your work

that could be defined as "laying the compliments on a bit thick."

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

The way I look at it, finding a pirated copy of your software out
there on the Internet is the ultimate compliment. :)

SKIP

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> On 8/31/12 1:49 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>> On 08/31/2012 08:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/31/12 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 I chanced across this Chinese page:

 http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

 It has the entire PDF of my book.
>>>
>>>
>>> That didn't take long, did it.
>>>
>>> Even though I know this happens routinely, it still pisses me off.
>>
>>
>> Of course it pisses you off; after all, I don't know about you, but I,
>> either
>> want to get paid for my work, or, alternatively, if my work is to be
>> given away for free,
>> would far rather that be my decision.
>
>
> One of my apps was pirated and RESOLD. I didn't see a cent. That was some
> years ago and I'm still reacting to it.
>
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/31/12 1:49 PM, Richmond wrote:

On 08/31/2012 08:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/31/12 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book.


That didn't take long, did it.

Even though I know this happens routinely, it still pisses me off.


Of course it pisses you off; after all, I don't know about you, but I,
either
want to get paid for my work, or, alternatively, if my work is to be
given away for free,
would far rather that be my decision.


One of my apps was pirated and RESOLD. I didn't see a cent. That was 
some years ago and I'm still reacting to it.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 08/31/2012 08:50 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

It doesn't bother me too much, I doubt that many of the potential users of the 
book would find that page. I mean, if you discount the fact that I just emailed 
the link to a lot of them! I did report it, and it seems the publisher does 
have an anti-piracy department.


I wish them good luck with the Chinese.

Remember the Boeing copy? And that was state-sponsored.

What chance does one have up against a state that has no morals?

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 08/31/2012 08:37 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 8/31/12 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book.


That didn't take long, did it.

Even though I know this happens routinely, it still pisses me off.


Of course it pisses you off; after all, I don't know about you, but I, 
either
want to get paid for my work, or, alternatively, if my work is to be 
given away for free,

would far rather that be my decision.


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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

It doesn't bother me too much, I doubt that many of the potential users of the 
book would find that page. I mean, if you discount the fact that I just emailed 
the link to a lot of them! I did report it, and it seems the publisher does 
have an anti-piracy department.
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Re: pirate version of my book...

[J. Landman Gay]

On 8/31/12 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book.


That didn't take long, did it.

Even though I know this happens routinely, it still pisses me off.

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Re: pirate version of my book...

[Richmond]

On 08/31/2012 08:26 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book. I'll report it to the publisher (though I 
doubt they'll have the power to do much about it), but thought some of you 
might be interested to look it over. You can decide for yourself if you take 
the PDF and use it, or perhaps go on to get the real thing!
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Unfortunately that is almost inevitable.

This will probably not cheer you up; but I found
versions of the FREE version of my Devawriter available on torrent sites.

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pirate version of my book...

[Colin Holgate]

I chanced across this Chinese page:

http://www.doc88.com/p-249589799307.html

It has the entire PDF of my book. I'll report it to the publisher (though I 
doubt they'll have the power to do much about it), but thought some of you 
might be interested to look it over. You can decide for yourself if you take 
the PDF and use it, or perhaps go on to get the real thing!
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