Re: Being stupid for a change

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/08/2018 09:54 AM, richmond via use-livecode wrote:

Erm . . .

What's wrong with this?

*if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*


if char 1 of POYNTS is in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then

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Re: Being stupid for a change

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Richmond

> Am 08.09.2018 um 18:54 schrieb richmond via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Erm . . .
> 
> What's wrong with this?
> *if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*

you have a "cluded" too much. 8-)

> Richmond.

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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/08/2018 09:13 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:


Noob question :) I tried this on osx and maximized a stack. It took over the 
whole screen. Now how do I unmaximize it? There's no title bar. That just seems 
wrong.


Put the mouse at the top of screen to display menubar or type escape at the 
keyboard


ESCAPE does not work for LC stacks.

If you clicked the green button and the stack goes "fullscreen", then:
...
put the fullscreen of stack "the one that currently occupies the complete 
screen"
...
You get FALSE?
Not sure if this is correct!?

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck etc... :-)


But moving the mouse to the top does display the stack's title bar. And 
then you can click the green unmaximize button to restore the stack.


Quack!

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Re: Being stupid for a change

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Thanks, Klaus,  and Mark,

I've had a long week and am feeling fairly Cluded to be honest.

Richmond.

On 8/9/2018 8:00 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Richmond


Am 08.09.2018 um 18:54 schrieb richmond via use-livecode 
:

Erm . . .

What's wrong with this?
*if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*

you have a "cluded" too much. 8-)


Richmond.

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Using RevMail in Server?

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

I was hoping that RevMail could be
used from within LC Server.  The
documentation says it should work.
My experience with it so far has been
more of that it won’t work.

If I use it from a normal LC stack
it works fine in that it brings up
my email client, like it is supposed to.

Is this a known bug?

If not, does anyone have a good example
of using RevMail or the Unicode version
from within LC Server that works?

Thanks,

Rick
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Re: Being stupid for a change

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

perfect case for better error messages .. people get tired.. our
ide's should never expect perfect humans and try to be as helpful as
possible.

Think how far down the to do list "improved error messages" is..but i
guess its why we have a community that can help... alright next time i
have time i will dive into the github and making contributions to the
community ide.



On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 1:03 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Klaus,  and Mark,
>
> I've had a long week and am feeling fairly Cluded to be honest.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 8/9/2018 8:00 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Richmond
> >
> >> Am 08.09.2018 um 18:54 schrieb richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Erm . . .
> >>
> >> What's wrong with this?
> >> *if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*
> > you have a "cluded" too much. 8-)
> >
> >> Richmond.
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > --
> > Klaus Major
> > http://www.major-k.de
> > kl...@major-k.de
> >
> >
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Being stupid for a change

[richmond via use-livecode]

Erm . . .

What's wrong with this?

*if char 1 of POYNTS is included in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" then*


Richmond.

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Re: 4WDevolution question

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Just a tip for those not using devo: cmd-ctrl-shift-right click on any 
stack displays a menu with many different options, one of which is to save 
the stack regardless of the mode. It also allows you to send messages to 
the card or stack directly (easier than the message box for stacks not 
toplevel, ) access scripts and inspectors, and more.


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On September 8, 2018 1:44:00 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Ah, but since you're using devo you needn't fiddle so much: in devo's
DeskView window you can right-click on any window proxy and choose Save
from there.  Doesn't matter what mode the window is in.





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Re: Using RevMail in Server?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Rick Harrison wrote:

> I was hoping that RevMail could be
> used from within LC Server.  The
> documentation says it should work.
> My experience with it so far has been
> more of that it won’t work.
>
> If I use it from a normal LC stack
> it works fine in that it brings up
> my email client, like it is supposed to.

If a server had a GUI with a mail client installed, who would be there 
to click the Send button? :)


I'm surprised the docs include "server" as a platform for that command, 
as it wouldn't make sense there.


That is, unless it uses the same syntax to bundle up the data to pass 
off to sendmail.  But I didn't see anything like that in the Dictionary.


This Lesson offers a way to send email using LC Server:


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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/07/2018 10:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:


Mac is somewhat different.  If you click the maximize control then you go

into full screen mode for that window (no title bar, no menu, no dock).
Palettes still appear over it (tools, Devolution, Navigator, DevTools, but
not the menu button bar).  You have to hold the option key when clicking
the green dot to get the old behavior (which puts a `+` in it).  Even then,
it fills the entire screen (except it does not cover the dock).  Same
palette situation.


Noob question :) I tried this on osx and maximized a stack. It took over 
the whole screen. Now how do I unmaximize it? There's no title bar. That 
just seems wrong.


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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode]

> Le 8 sept. 2018 à 18:03, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  a écrit :
> 
> On 09/07/2018 10:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>>> Mac is somewhat different.  If you click the maximize control then you go
>> into full screen mode for that window (no title bar, no menu, no dock).
>> Palettes still appear over it (tools, Devolution, Navigator, DevTools, but
>> not the menu button bar).  You have to hold the option key when clicking
>> the green dot to get the old behavior (which puts a `+` in it).  Even then,
>> it fills the entire screen (except it does not cover the dock).  Same
>> palette situation.
> 
> Noob question :) I tried this on osx and maximized a stack. It took over the 
> whole screen. Now how do I unmaximize it? There's no title bar. That just 
> seems wrong.

Put the mouse at the top of screen to display menubar or type escape at the 
keyboard 
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 180, Issue 17

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> MarkR wrote:
> 
> Can LiveCode communicate with Bluetooth devices?

There is an extension that comes with an Indy/Business license. mergBLE

From the Dictionary:
"mergBLE is a LiveCode external for iOS and OS X that enables CoreBluetooth 
(BLE) functionality. You can use the external to discover and interact with 
peripherals or advertise your app as a peripheral for others to interact with.”

Jim Lambert


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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 09/08/2018 09:05 AM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode wrote:


Put the mouse at the top of screen to display menubar or type escape at the 
keyboard


Doh! Thanks. I had tried escape but didn't move the mouse up to the top. 
I imagine there must be precedent for this, but none of my other osx 
applications work this way (maximizing while removing the title bar). 
The stack decorations are set to default.


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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

HI all,

> Am 08.09.2018 um 18:05 schrieb Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> 
>> Le 8 sept. 2018 à 18:03, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  a écrit :
>> 
>> On 09/07/2018 10:20 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
 Mac is somewhat different.  If you click the maximize control then you go
>>> into full screen mode for that window (no title bar, no menu, no dock).
>>> Palettes still appear over it (tools, Devolution, Navigator, DevTools, but
>>> not the menu button bar).  You have to hold the option key when clicking
>>> the green dot to get the old behavior (which puts a `+` in it).  Even then,
>>> it fills the entire screen (except it does not cover the dock).  Same
>>> palette situation.
>> 
>> Noob question :) I tried this on osx and maximized a stack. It took over the 
>> whole screen. Now how do I unmaximize it? There's no title bar. That just 
>> seems wrong.
> 
> Put the mouse at the top of screen to display menubar or type escape at the 
> keyboard 

ESCAPE does not work for LC stacks.

If you clicked the green button and the stack goes "fullscreen", then:
...
put the fullscreen of stack "the one that currently occupies the complete 
screen"
...
You get FALSE? 
Not sure if this is correct!?

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck etc... :-)


Best

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Re: 3WDevolution question

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

> Am 08.09.2018 um 18:23 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
> :
> On 09/08/2018 09:13 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
 Noob question :) I tried this on osx and maximized a stack. It took over 
 the whole screen. Now how do I unmaximize it? There's no title bar. That 
 just seems wrong.
>>> Put the mouse at the top of screen to display menubar or type escape at the 
>>> keyboard
>> ESCAPE does not work for LC stacks.
>> If you clicked the green button and the stack goes "fullscreen", then:
>> ...
>> put the fullscreen of stack "the one that currently occupies the complete 
>> screen"
>> ...
>> You get FALSE?
>> Not sure if this is correct!?
>> If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck etc... :-)
> But moving the mouse to the top does display the stack's title bar. And then 
> you can click the green unmaximize button to restore the stack.

yes, I know, but that was not really my question.

> Quack!

Quack yourself, my little drake! :-D

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Best

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Bluetooth devices and talking with LC apps made in LiveCode?

[Mark Rauterkus via use-livecode]

Hi,

Can LiveCode communicate with Bluetooth devices?

Is there a way that this can be done?

A few Bluetooth devices with bad interface issues could be rewritten
innLiveCode but I am clueless how that might occur.

Mark Rauterkus

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Re: 4WDevolution question

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Brian Milby wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:45 PM Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> ...when you see the windowBoundingRect altered by the placement of
>> the IDE's tool palette, does a maximized window respect the new
>> windowBoundingRect as it does on Windows, or ignore it as it does
>> on Linux?
>>
> Mac is somewhat different.  If you click the maximize control then you
> go into full screen mode for that window (no title bar, no menu, no
> dock).
> Palettes still appear over it (tools, Devolution, Navigator, DevTools,
> but not the menu button bar).  You have to hold the option key when
> clicking the green dot to get the old behavior (which puts a `+` in
> it).  Even then, it fills the entire screen (except it does not cover
> the dock).  Same palette situation.

Hmmm...maybe it is time for the IDE to let the old tool palette behavior 
go.  No longer useful at all on macOS, and has always been of 
questionable value anyway.


Unless someone here can think of a reason to keep it, I may file a 
request to no longer have the position of the tool palette alter the 
windowBoundingRect. They may say "no", but seems worth removing another 
"sometimes" gotcha, noble an experiment though it may have once been.


...
>> Or the IDE team could just not monkey with the windowBoundingRect
>> based on the occasional position of a single window which is
>> different from what happens in other positions, different from what
>> happens in other windows, and different from what happens in other
>> apps.
>>
>> Which would seem more beneficial for the larger number of LC
>> scripters?
>>
> I was mainly talking about saving the position between launches like
> the tools palette does.

Yes, I was thinking I might get to that if I had any idea how many 
people were using it.  Seems more than I knew.  Not hard to add.  I'll 
find some time in my schedule soon.



> I ended up putting the stack toplevel and moving to get it where I
> wanted and then saving.

Ah, but since you're using devo you needn't fiddle so much: in devo's 
DeskView window you can right-click on any window proxy and choose Save 
from there.  Doesn't matter what mode the window is in.


Bonus: in that window you can also double-click any window to toggle its 
current mode to toplevel, and a double-click there will then restore it 
to its style mode.


I use DeskView for all sorts of things, but it's particularly helpful 
when I'm doing a lot of work in palettes, letting me get in and out of 
editing mode with them super-easily.


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Re: 4WDevolution question

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bill Prothero wrote:

> Frankly, I would prefer the ide tools palette and the Devo tools
> palette overlap at will. One or the other can be in front, overlapped
> or not.  I generally only use the ide tools when creating UI objects,
> so most of the time it’s invisible.

Perhaps I've failed in my goal:

With devo's generously-sized "Tools" button, the aim was that you should 
be able to open and close the IDE's tool palette as needed at least as 
easily as fiddling with window layers and shifting windows around.


Click once:  it's open.

Click again: it's gone (when I'm busy I hate slowing down to aim for
 the little 6px close icon on palette windows).


The assumption with devo is that, unlike using most apps, when you're in 
LiveCode you're MAKING apps. And YOUR stuff is the important stuff - 
everything else is subservient. Why else would you have launched LC?


Your app has its own windows, its own menus, its own toolbar, etc. 
Sometimes even its own windowBoundingRect. :)


So rather than fight for precious real estate with an IDE's stuff, a 
tool like devo lets your app take over. You just use the IDE's parts 
when you need them, fluid enough to get to them so that you don't have 
to hesitate about closing them between uses.


The more you take advantage of it, the more it turns the development 
process inside out: instead of building an app inside of an IDE, it's 
like using an IDE inside your app.


The more of its Preferences option you use, the less you get: your 
screen can become a wide open sky, ready to fill with YOUR stuff:


http://fourthworld.net/lc/rg-lc-ide.png

On small laptop screens like a Macbook Air it's a godsend (and a big 
part of why I first made it), since managing all the IDE windows feels 
very cramped at 768p.  And on a big screen it's luxurious.



I have a few enhancements in my copy that'll land in the public version 
soon, now that I see more are using it.  I'll drop in the window 
placement save that Brian suggested with those.


I probably won't bother with adjustments for the IDE's 
windowBoundingRect fiddling just yet, under the assumption that it may 
go away in the IDE soon and then that valuable global property may be 
something your app is using, and should be honored by tools like devo so 
everything you need works well within it.


If you already have devolution installed, you never need to worry about 
hunting it down somewhere on the web and comparing versions - software 
lends itself well to that sort of thing: like LC itself, whenever a new 
version is available it'll let you know and update itself in place.


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