Re: Its very quiet

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I'm rebuilding a 1980s era Ampex MM1200 Recording Device. 24/16/8 track.
For archiving.
No Livecode content though, although I will eventually make a remote
control using LiveCode Community ...
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:36 PM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> Sorry to hear that, Curry. Rest up. Glad it hasn’t been too serious for
> you. We’ll try and keep the noise down for you.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi
>
>
> > On 29 Mar 2020, at 21:40, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Like many who have been sick between all the flu and corona going
> around, just working on getting well again. Managed to stay out of
> hospital, but not much energy. Quiet is good
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Re: Its very quiet

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Plug in headblocks for 24, 16, and 8 tracks.
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:24 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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> On 3/29/20 7:00 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > I'm rebuilding a 1980s era Ampex MM1200 Recording Device. 24/16/8 track.
> > For archiving.
> > No Livecode content though, although I will eventually make a remote
> > control using LiveCode Community ...
>
> !!! I thought the MM1200s were only 16 track. Those things are huge.
> Great sounding though.
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Re: Platform Divergence

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Got really depressed watching the presentation.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:22 Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> We make and sell a desktop application (Windows and macOS) for a niche
> research market. I expect when Apple does their migration to a common
> processor and OS, Apple Developer's will have to go through all of Apple
> hoops for all their platforms.Most of our customer don't care about UI
> widget animations. They want the app to do certain functions and do them
> well and quickly to work with their data. As long as the UI is
> effective, whether it conforms precisely to Microsoft or Apple UI
> guidelines is secondary. So, even if you only care about desktops, your
> app will have to be sold through Apple's single App Store, conform to
> all screen sizes on all their devices, and follow all their UI
> guidelines, etc.
>
> At that point, given that Windows is 2/3rd of our market and macOS
> 1/3rd, we'll drop support for macOS sadly. I say sadly because our
> application originated way back in the late 1980 as a HyperCard App for
> MacOS.
>
> But, to your point, your concern IS valid for those people wanting Apps
> from you that they insist MUST conform to all of Apple's esoteric
> requirements. It is likely it will become increasingly harder for the
> LiveCode ideal of develop once and deploy everywhere.
>
>
> On 6/23/2020 2:56 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode wrote:
> > This year’s WWDC shows Apple is moving to a unified ‘system' for all
> their products: Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV.
> > The Apple development environment promises to produce a single app
> capable of running on all, or almost all, of Apple devices. This
> unification promises to be quite convenient for Apple developers.
> >
> > In contrast, over the last decade or so there has been an ever
> increasing divergence in UX between major operating systems: Apple,
> Windows, Linux, Android. The days when systems were so similar that you
> could rely on the commonality of a handful of UI elements across platforms
> seems over to me. That’s troubling because such commonality is fundamental
> to LiveCode’s approach - write once, run everywhere.
> >
> > In watching WWDC sessions it’s pretty clear that even simple UI elements
> have become more like UX elements having intrinsic and complex properties,
> such as certain visual and behavioral animations. Users readily learn to
> expect these behaviors. Yet such things are increasing difficult to fake
> with LiveCode’s basic palette of objects.
> >
> > Enter LiveCode Builder and LC Widgets. They offer the promise of
> platform-specific UI elements - a promise fulfilled with some simple
> elements like iOS Native Button or Android Native Field. But I’m concerned
> that as platforms diverge in the interface experiences they present to
> users, that LC and LC developers will have difficulty satisfying users'
> divergent expectations.
> >
> > Is my concern valid?
> >
> > Jim Lambert
> >
> >
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Re: No Replies (or anything)

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

TESTING FOR BOB 1234


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> Hi all.
>
> I’m not getting anything on the use list.
>
> Bob S
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Re: LiveCode Zoom

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi David,

I'm not sure there's a good reason to integrate Livecode into the  Zoom API
just for the sake of using Livecode to do it.I do like the idea of
using Zoom for discussions and demonstrations of Livecode technology. All
anyone needs to do is for the leader to have the lowest level subscription
to Zoom ($15US) which allows that person to host up to 100 participants.  I
noticed that our last (first?) Zoom online meeting with the mother ship
there weren't that many participants.  It also appears that access to their
API might not be for ordinary mortals (i.e. $$$).   What could we add to
Zoom that they don't already offer?

Easy to find the API info though 

https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:27 AM David Bovill via use-livecode <
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> I’d like to host / take part in a weekly Zoom with other Livecoders. I
> started the Livecode TV thing ages ago now, and this time I think we can do
> something more interesting - but what?
>
> I take part in a couple of regular Zoom gatherings around open source
> projects for a few years now, and It seems a pity not to do it with
> LiveCode.
>
> I’m thinking of it as a regular drop in, and to integrate LiveCode into
> how the event works. Just not quite sure how. Thing out loud here :)
> On 3 Jul 2020, 16:48 +0100, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > The customer cares about the backend, because he wants to be sure he
> > will find a livecode hosting company in the future. We will host the web
> > page into our own servers.
> > We currently offer PHP, Python  and LiveCode hosting.
> > I'm honest with my customers and I told him about Livecode backend
> > hosting pros & cons.
> >
> > There are other companies offering LiveCode hosting, but in Spain it is
> > not very popular.
> >
> > It will not be the typical Wordpress webpage, it will be a small Human
> > Resources website for their employees.
> > It would be easier to do it with Python-Flask or Django, but I'm very
> > excited to do it using livecode.
> >
> > Thank you very much for those links.
> >
> > Hery
> >
> > On 7/3/20 8:51 AM, Dan Brown via use-livecode wrote:
> > > I'd be surprised if the client cares at all about the websites
> backend, you
> > > might be better off picking a modern frontend framework
> (bulma,react,vue
> > > etc) and showing examples of websites using it.
> > >
> > > As for the backend, there are some great flat file CMS's that could be
> > > managed with livecode scripts ( creating directories, template files,
> html
> > > templates )
> > >
> > > https://getgrav.org/
> > >
> > > https://getkirby.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Torsten Holmer via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you know revIgniter, the Livecode Framework for Websites?
> > > > https://revigniter.com/
> > > >
> > > > "Many websites have been successfully built with revIgniter
> including the
> > > > presumably largest Hindu website 
> in
> > > > existence."
> > > > https://www.himalayanacademy.com/  >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Torsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Am 02.07.2020 um 21:39 schrieb Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > > > > Dear LiveCode experts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to convince a customer to create their next website
> with
> > > > LiveCode Server instead PHP. The client asks me what other popular
> sites
> > > > are created with LiveCode server.
> > > > > I have seen this in the Livecode forums , but it seems to be very
> old:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know modern websites created with LiveCode?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have seen that the current LiveCode site runs Wordpress + PHP.
> > > > > Do you know why?
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement
> > > > >
> > > > > Heriberto Torrado
> > > > > ​Chief Technology Officer (CTO)
> > > > > ​Director de informática
> > > > > Directeur informatique
> > > > >
> > > > > *NetDreams S.C.*
> > > > > http://www.networkdreams.net
> > > > >
> > > > > Address / Dirección / Adresse:
> > > > >
> > > > > *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA
> > > > > *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid
> 28024
> > > > Spain / España
> > > > > *Tel - Phone - Fax:*
> > > > >
> > > > > Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787
> > > > > Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48
> > > > >
> > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por
> > > > favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir
> esta
> > > > página.
> > > > > Confidentiality: The information contained 

Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
other that just a screen share.
Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
EDITING!!!
I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
so I'm not being fair I guess.

iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.

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On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
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> Hi André,
>
> I previously always favored printed books.
>
> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>
> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>
> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
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Re: fixed textheight affects scrolling?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Girls! Time to take this spat off list, please. I don’t want to see this.

Remember the admonition about politics religion and cheese?

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 03:03 Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> To all,
>
> sorry for this, I should have kept if off-list and I apologize, but this
> is my last mail in this respect!
>
>
> @Curry,
>
> > Am 11.07.2020 um 00:04 schrieb Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Klaus:
> > >...
> > > any news about "FieldTrip"? This is not funny anymore.
> > > I turned 64 last month and I would really like to get
> > > something for my money before I die!
> > Klaus, let me say that your "National Socialist" approach
>
> No idea what that may be, but it is surely not nice.
> I do my best, but in the end I am not a native english speaker.
>
> > to harassing me, every single chance you get, is also not funny anymore!
>
> I dared to ask about 3 (THREE) times in the last seven years, not at every
> single chance I got.
> The first time I did, you even made fun of me, also not very kind.
>
> > Nor is giving people the FALSE and fake impression that you did not get
> a product for your money.
>
> I got a one BETA and no update since 2013.
>
> > I resent that slur, along with your continued harassment and
> mean-spirited, inaccurate disinformation campaign. It is as fundamentally
> flawed as your field test code. Maybe a pattern?
>
> Oh my, that is very close to the wind and a cheap tit-for-tat response!
>
> > FT was delivered.
>
> > You got the LC 6 product you paid for.
>
> One BETA was delivered!
> I bought it at a time where I did not have much money, but wanted to
> support everything related to LC
> so I am not very happy that no final version has been delivered since.
>
> I personally don't find it OK to sell software, take the customers money
> and deliver one beta version of that software in years.
> But you do.
>
> > LC pulled out the rug shortly after; LC 7 stopped working with some
> existing code, and not the other way around. Technically 7 was supposed to
> work with the existing code, and the team was working through BC issues,
> but ah well. My flagship products were more fortunate (with a lot of help
> from myself in testing and reporting issues) but LC 7 was released before
> that could happen for FT.
>
> Interesting, so it is LCs fault in the end.
> If I only had known this before!
>
> > Since then, WordLib and WordReport have remained higher priorities. FT
> will be revived and updated; looking forward to it very much. But that will
> be AFTER the other flagship addons are updated. Not before. Harassment
> won't change that. Nor will falsehoods or bad behavior.
> > (Hint: currently WordReport is first in line!)
> >
> > I cleared up your little scrolling field mystery for you, and in return,
> this is how you act?! Now, let's see how logical you can be, Klaus. Take a
> good look at the length of this message. I'm keeping it as short as
> possible, but obviously it still takes some time to carefully answer your
> careless slur.
> >
> > That does NOT speed up anything, including FT. But it does waste
> valuable time and slow things down. It's not furthering the outcome you
> seek. It also destroys goodwill and friendship, and it spreads falsehood.
> On top of that I'm handicapped and I don't have free time to waste. All bad
> results of these little slurs about FT and myself.
>
> Please, let's dial it back a notch!
> You don't want to make me responsible for all of your personal problems
> and even your handicap, do you?
>
> > I would appreciate polite inquiries, or reminders, but this is way out
> of line. Every time I post here, you do this.
>
> Not true, see above...
>
> > You keep calling for my attention, and you got it.
> > So, here's what I'll do. If you keep up this "National Socialist" style
> of harassment, I'll just pay a little more attention to your posts and
> correct more of the inaccurate statements that you make about LC code and
> technologies. I will also refer back to this post to save time, so that my
> corrections are as efficient as your falsehoods.
> > I've had to make "Klaus corrections" about other LC matters (regular LC
> how-to and facts/tips, not about FT) on a regular basis over the years,
> usually very quietly off-list!
>
> And another laughable, untenable and very cheap tit-for-tat response!
>
> > But I'll be happy to make more public corrections, more often, if
> needed. Or if you lay off the harassment, then as a natural result (math,
> time) everything will happen a little faster, including FT. The choice is
> yours.
>
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Curry Kenworthy
>
> I find your response rather "Mimimi" and highly exaggerated in many parts
> and I really start to feel sorry for you.
> But don't worry, I will not bother you again.
>
>
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Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

*Esnipe* is an independently developed web app that is using the ebay api,
and the interesting part is that *it's allegedly using livecode and/or
livecode server!   * I use it all the time! I'm usually able to get almost
anything I want from ebay.
I don't ever worry before the timer runs out. If it's above my own
"reserve" then it's ok.
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> On 7/17/20 2:40 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote:
> > I hadn’t heard of ‘campaign snipers’ but it sounded like a thing
>
> I suspect it was a pun or a reference to eBay sniping. That's when bidders
> wait until the very
> last second of an auction and then swoop in with a higher price in order
> to get the item
> without allowing the bidding to go up any higher. There are third-party
> eBay apps that will
> snipe for you automatically in order to submit the highest price at the
> last nanosecond.
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Re: Tab Buttons Mac vs. Win

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I had become aware of and long appreciated Tog, even in 1983 when I had a
job at Datamost, and the first mac on my desktop. The single floppy and the
horrible printer got in the way and I didn't again consider the machine for
my hardware control development work over the Apple ][ until 1987 when I
got A&M Studios connected to the developer program (thanks to fellow
Datamost employee Craig Keithley).  It was in that first box that the Mac
SE (with a 20mb hard drive) that I went looking for the included "card".
What card? Where is it?
Oh, it's *Hypercard*!

 It changed my life of course and that of A&M Studios too.
After that I could fully understand and utilize Tog's vision and its Xerox
roots embedded in this wonderful tool as I built a dedicated control system
for A&M tape copy .

I think Tognazzini was written about in that first Mac User issue that
featured members of the original design team.  Keithley was a friend of
Steve Jobs and Woz in the Apple ][ garage days, could have been employee #4
but he was very young and he and his parents moved to LA.  He was
"slightly" unhappy about that. He eventually got a job at 1 Infinite Loop.
I'm sure Mike Markkula (Johnny Appleseed) knew of him too.

If in 1975 I hadn't gotten pissed off at the Grateful Dead and taken off to
LA, I very likely would have ended up at that Homebrew Computer Club
because I was seeking information about these microprocessor thingies.
In life, there are many forks in the road.
Brushes with greatness. I am truly fortunate.

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:50 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  > I would LOVE to find out how Livecode for Mac draws those beautiful
>  > tab buttons so I can duplicate it on Windows, because DAYAM are the
>  > Windows ones ugly!
>
> Around the turn of the century I wrote to Bruce Tognazzini, back when he
> was still taking email questions.
>
> I asked him about the proper placement of confirmation and dismissal
> buttons (often "OK" and "Cancel") in cross-platform apps.  I was
> familiar with his early research on how the Mac layout (confirmation on
> the right) matched eye tracking studies on scanning order, and thus was
> a better solution.  On Windows reading order is used (confirmation on
> the left), which might seem better but not in UIs; dialog boxes just
> aren't read as much as skimmed, so rather than taking in each line
> individually as we do when we read, most folks more or less just scan
> from upper-left to lower-right, where on Mac the action button awaits.
>
> So I asked Tog:
>
> "Given that the Mac way is borne out by research, wouldn't it be better
> to use to Mac way in my Windows apps as well?"
>
> He was kind enough in his reply, acknowledging that at least my heart
> was in the right place with wanting to "do the right thing" by the user.
> But he was also blunt: I had missed something even more important than
> research.  I had overlooked the significance of user habits.
>
> When a user spends years with an OS design, they build up a cognitive
> and muscle memory, so strong that even when research shows an advantage
> to a different means, the consistency winds up outweighing it.
>
> In short, he suggested I do Windows things on Windows, and leave Mac
> things on Mac.
>
> Who am I to argue with Tog?
>
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Re: Tab Buttons Mac vs. Win

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I am  off topic and off center.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 09:28 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>  > If in 1975 I hadn't gotten pissed off at the Grateful Dead and
>  > taken off to LA...
>
> Probably too off-topic for this list, but that sounds like a story worth
> hearing.  Perhaps over a beer after the madness ends and travel resumes...
>
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Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

And Apple knows it.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:08 AM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> My primary reason is that my clients always want their mobile app released
> for both platforms.
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> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On August 7, 2020 6:34:45 AM Andre Garzia via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Antti,
> >
> > Android has 85% of the world market, it all depends on which country
> you're
> > selling and which metrics you're using. In the U.S. iOS has 58% of the
> > smartphone market and 63% of the tablet market. Another important factor
> is
> > that iOS users spend more money on apps than their Android peers. So for
> > those selling mobile apps whose primary market is the U.S. it makes sense
> > to ship to iOS.
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 08:50, Antti Ilola via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If Apple is so horrible, why do you do software to them and I think that
> >> Apple has no monopoly, since Android shares 85% of the phone market.
> >>
> >> Antti
> >>
> >> to 6. elok. 2020 klo 22.23 JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode (
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com) kirjoitti:
> >>
> >> > Wow, that's heavy Jacque.
> >> > I'm not at all against Apple products, although it may seem like it
> >> > sometimes. I'm against how they work, making it more and more
> difficult.
> >> > I'm for a safe store too. But this is grabbing money from wherever
> they
> >> > can.
> >> >
> >> > Op do 6 aug. 2020 om 20:53 schreef J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >> >
> >> > > I've been working on mobile apps for a non-profit publishing house.
> >> Their
> >> > > customers are large
> >> > > organizations that buy products in bulk and then resell to their own
> >> > > customers. Thus, the app
> >> > > does not sell to users at all, nor does our client.
> >> > >
> >> > > I made a minor mistake in one of my progress spinners; the
> >> > > briefly-displayed prompt (less than
> >> > > 1 second) said "Checking your purchases..." and Apple glommed onto
> that
> >> > > and wouldn't let go. My
> >> > > client and I spent 3 weeks and innumerable emails to Apple to
> convince
> >> > > them that users were not
> >> > > purchasing any products from the company who sponsored the software,
> >> nor
> >> > > could they buy
> >> > > products from any web site related to the company. We had to answer
> two
> >> > > different
> >> > > purchasing-related questionaires in great detail. They finally
> relented
> >> > > when we convinced them;
> >> > > I changed the prompt to "Checking your library..." and it didn't
> hurt
> >> > that
> >> > > we got a different
> >> > > reviewer.
> >> > >
> >> > > Google, who has some similar but less-stringent rules in the Play
> >> Store,
> >> > > accepted the app the
> >> > > first time without any objections.
> >> > >
> >> > > Word to the wise: if your app doesn't deal with sales, even
> indirectly,
> >> > > don't use money-related
> >> > > words anywhere. I hope the EU nails them; I consider App Store
> policies
> >> > > equivalent to
> >> > > extortion. Apple holds the majority of mobile users in the U.S. and
> the
> >> > > App Store is the only
> >> > > available outlet for apps. That sounds like a monopoly to me.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 8/6/20 11:46 AM, JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode wrote:
> >> > > > Hmpff i just read in the news that even Microsoft can't bring out
> an
> >> > > xcloud
> >> > > > application due to the apple store rules. What a mess. Only
> Android
> >> > users
> >> > > > will be able to stream games as mentioned on dutch tweakers.net
> >> > > website. I
> >> > > > think it's going to cost MS to much money to pay Apple ifvthey
> would
> >> > > bring
> >> > > > out the app on Apple's store.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Op wo 5 aug. 2020 02:10 schreef Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> >> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> JeeJeeStudio wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>   > 1 positive thing then on a thing we don't have in LC and now
> >> also
> >> > is
> >> > > >>   > removed...the possibility to put ads in your LC created
> mobile
> >> > > app...
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> "Possible" is a big word. It covers nearly everything.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's possible to use LC Build to support ad network APIs.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's also possible to find saner ad networks that offer REST
> APIs in
> >> > > >> addition to binary, so devs don't need to commit as much
> development
> >> > > >> time for one vendor.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's possible but less likely that an app not worth monetizing
> >> through
> >> > > >> freemiums, direct payment, or other model will earn enough to
> bring
> >> a
> >> > > >> positive ROI for the effort of implementing ads.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> It's less likely that you'll be able to shoe-horn someo

Re: ProtonMail vs Apple

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I thought "web apps" were going to level the playing field, and they could
be made to look just like iPhone apps on an iPhone, one just rigs the css
and graphics.  How did that work out?   I do love Livecode
serverbrilliant.

(full disclosure,  I hate using phones for stuff I can do on a desktop, a
big reason why I gave up development except for desktop apps I make to
support my other activities )

( I make video too, and will not do 'portrait' mode under any circumstances
)

(I'm watching Lewis Black as I type this, pardon my tone)
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 11:27 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not sure the question is relevant.  You chose to buy the iHouse over the
> droidHouse for some reason.  Maybe you wanted to live in the neighborhood
> with the lowest crime rate.
>
> Also, until Apple is forced to allow other companies to make compatible
> phones, I don’t see how the logic works.  Google doesn’t make the only
> Android phone.
>
> When I read Apple’s guidelines I don’t see anything about price parity.
> You can’t point out that it is cheaper elsewhere, but are you required to
> charge the same?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 7, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> >> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
> > monopoly.
> >> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
> > policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
> >
> > There is another way to approach this. Apple has the monopoly of the iOS
> > market, they can dictate and abuse their authority in that market and
> there
> > is nothing iOS users can do about that. There is no other app store to
> buy
> > apps from. Now contrast that with Android. Google doesn't have the
> monopoly
> > on Android. You have other app stores besides Google Play, other device
> > makers, and as a developer you can ship apps on your own and on all or
> any
> > of the stores.
> >
> > If you allow me an analogy, imagine that you bought an iHouse, it is a
> > pleasant house, very elegant. Still, all the furniture, all the food,
> > everything you might ever want to put inside your iHouse needs to come
> from
> > Apple Store. Is that still your house? Does Apple have a monopoly?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 18:20, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "A monopoly refers to when a company and its product offerings dominate
> a
> >> sector or industry. Monopolies can be considered an extreme result of
> >> free-market capitalism <
> >> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/freemarket.asp> in that absent any
> >> restriction or restraints, a single company or group becomes large
> enough
> >> to own all or nearly all of the market (goods, supplies, commodities,
> >> infrastructure, and assets) for a particular type of product or service.
> >> The term monopoly is often used to describe an entity that has total or
> >> near-total control of a market.”
> >> https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/monopoly.asp
> >>
> >> Even with 58% of the US smartphone market Apple does not actually have a
> >> monopoly.
> >> Now there may be plenty of good reasons to object to Apple’s app store
> >> policies but let’s not misuse the term monopoly.
> >>
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Re: Cross Platform Font Layout - current workarounds

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Sean Cole

Still no apologies.
Hey, you are starting to disrespect my friends and I’m not digging it. They
have done nothing other than bend over backwards to try to help and your
bad attitude and rudeness is crossing the line.

Remember the main rule here, no politics, religion or cheese and you,
buddy, have gone full limburger.

Chill, dude.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 17:51 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Reminds me of HTML. All platform consistency in display… until Microsoft
> and Netscape decided to do it “better”. It begs the question, is it better
> to be consistent with everyone else’s standards, or better to be… well…
> better?
>
>
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, we all remember the TrueType rollout, and the promise of a
> single-file, cross-platform font definition.
>
>
>
> But for that format to provide pixel-perfect matched rendering requires
> all renderer implementers to use the same code.  And as you know, they
> don't.
>
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Re: Looking for LiveCode developer in Norway, Stavanger area

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Wow. Looking forward to the success story.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 23:48 Ivar Andreassen via use-livecode <
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> A mature startup is looking for programmers that have from "little" to
>
> professional experience with LiveCode in Norway, and in "south Rogaland"
>
> "Stavanger Sandnes region". The reason for being so specific on location is
>
> that we want you physically present in our team meetings.
>
>
>
> We are developing a new exciting music service, and need several people
>
> onboard. Right now we are specifically looking for LiveCode developers to
>
> work on apps and back end solutions.
>
>
>
> Send an e-mail to ivar.andreas...@gmail.com, or reach out to me on
> Linkedin
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivarandreassen/
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi Graham,
This sounds quite futile for you on such an imperfect connection, and an
unfair situation created by Apple. I guess they expect all developers to
have fiber-to-the-home or live in glass corporate towers with <2 megabit
connections. Such code bloat surely could be reduced greatly by refactoring
by their wonderful code scientists, but I guess that's not efficient. I'll
bet that over 60% of that block is absolute bloat but that's the world
they've dealt us.

ADSL is an especially imperfect,  ancient tech using analog phone lines to
carry digital signals and very susceptible to interference and bad weather.
I struggled with it for years at my place in Sebastopol, even a connection
with two lines until I switched to a cable based system.
 It's all about the distance to the cabinet and then from there to the
central office. The local cabinet (which could be on a pole) could be
connected to a fiber optic line but if the POTS (plain old telephone
service) wires are old and stressed can be the culprit. And even the wires
from the cabinet to your house may not be a continuous run. There might be
branches of line that dead-ends that used to connect to someone else's
house.  A call to your telephone provider might make a big difference when
you tell them your problem - it may not be the internet provider's issue.

 Sometimes the telephone connection at your house itself could be the
reason why the speed varies so much. Moisture and humidity can contribute
to bad terminations - look for "green copper" at the screw terminals - a
sure sign of contamination and resistance. They are trying to send analog
signals at near radio frequencies and that's very critical.

Finally, telephone companies around the world are replacing old copper
lines with fiber optic lines all the way to the home. The price of copper
these days has made the old wire a resource and makes it possible for the
telephone providers to run fibre everywhere more economical and possible
due to the salvage of the previous copper wires - fiber lines are cheaper
per foot vs bandwidth and carry TV signals too. The bandwidth needed to be
a developer today isn't going to get any less and rural customers are going
to need this bandwidth as much as urban ones in the near future.

for now,
Is it possible for you to take a laptop to another town, perhaps a
cyber-cafe with a suitable connection? If the time it takes to download
longer than it takes to drive there, would that make sense?
Or perhaps a friend that is also a developer elsewhere in France that would
be kind enough to drop it on to a USB stick or drive you could send him?
Certainly there must be a fellow Live-coder in your country that could do
this?

Or am I being naive?

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 1:12 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is a question for people having to use XCode to generate iOS apps. I
> find from responses on this list that I now need Xcode 15 to have a chance
> of generating for iOS 14. I would ask Apple this quesiton, but I doubt if I
> would get a meaningful answer:
>
> I'm working deep in the French countryside with an ADSL connection -
> although I have enough bandwidth to stream TV programs, really long files
> are hard to download. Downloading Xcode - which is reported to be an 8.12GB
> file - at a speed of between 300 and 750 KB/sec is a nightmare. If the
> download speed drops below some unspecified limit, the download stops and
> has to be resumed in Safari, but that's not the worst of it. If I leave the
> download overnight, having got say 4 out of 8 Gb loaded, when look at the
> download folder in the morning, it only contains 14 bytes, necessitating a
> complete reload! There isn't even anything in the Trash. What's that about,
> and is there any way I can simply accumulate the download bit by bit until
> it's all finished?
>
> If anyone has any hints, I’d be grateful. Otherwise it means spending some
> hours keep the download pot boiling and wrecking the rest of my day.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hey everyone. Chopping up a gigantic file into little bits to be zipped
then uploaded is nuts. Chopped nuts!

 The A in ADSL means ASYMETRICAL - which means uneven- upload speed and is
a fraction of the download speed.
  It would take a long time with most POTS internets to upload gigabyte
files.

What I do with files that are too big to upload is to put it on an
inexpensive SDHC chip and send it in  regular mail.

I do this all the time with video files.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 08:40 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 10/3/20 8:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > I wonder:
>
> >
>
> >
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/
>
>
>
> Looks interesting, but I'd be wary of anything that does
>
> install.sh | bash
>
> without checking the source first
>
>
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Re: Slightly OT: downloading Xcode

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi Jim,
5g via a home modem is supposed to save those of us without telephone poles
or conduits to the home.
some day.
sqb
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 9:36 AM Jim At Consensus via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Lest anyone think this is a rural issue.
>
> I live in a major metropolitan city in the US. (Seattle, Wa) And am still
> on DSL and can’t get cable or fiber to my house without paying to have
> poles placed and or conduit run underground... very expensive. Our DSL is
> over copper lines from 1936 whose insulation (lead) has been riddled with
> holes.
>
> When it rains, we have no internet and usually no phone. To get Apple
> updates, I either lose a day or go someplace with a reliable hispeed
> connecton.
>
> Sent from Jim's iPhone XR
> Please excuse brevity, typos and errors
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:26 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > This would be a saver alternative
> > https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/ <
> https://blog.kulman.sk/faster-way-to-download-and-install-xcode/>
> >
> > It uses Aria2
> > https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2 <
> https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/aria2>
> > and a ruby script
> > https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c <
> https://gist.github.com/iandundas/fabe07455e5216442a421922361f698c>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > Software & Support
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> >
> > BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3 
> >
> >> Am 03.10.2020 um 17:39 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >:
> >>
> >>> On 10/3/20 8:09 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> I wonder:
> >>>
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/
> <
> https://developerinsider.co/download-xcode-and-other-developer-tools-up-to-16-times-faster/>
>
> >>
> >> Looks interesting, but I'd be wary of anything that does
> >> install.sh | bash
> >> without checking the source first
> >>
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Re: SSL cPanel mySql setup

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Dreamhost never did install LC ... but several of us have made it work.
Just get the right server executable and permissions.
I could never get it work account wide but it rocked for individual web
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> Neville,
> Can't you install LC Server on your own on your Dreamhost account. I
> remember there were others on the list or in the forum who were successful
> with installing LC Server on their Dreamhost account.
>
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
> > Am 18.10.2020 um 01:32 schrieb Neville Smythe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Thanks to this thread for the realisation my remote db connections are
> not secure. I just checked with Dreamhost and they gave their reasons for
> not use SSL with their mySQL setup — unacceptable burden on their server
> and undesirable for web app access; so in their opinion very few shared
> host environments would enable SSL for mySQL.
> >
> > So I need some middleware. LC Server would have been ideal, but
> Dreamhost no longer install it ;-(. I particularly could have used LC
> Server to drive mailman distribution list subscription/unsubscription tasks
> from the database for which I do not have a good solution at the moment.
> >
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> >
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Re: Plotting Equations that Bifurcate

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Bob, that one gets a “LIKE”.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:28 Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Last time I plotted an equation while bifurcating, I was pretty drunk, and
> don't remember much.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2020, at 15:03 , Roger Guay via use-livecode <
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> > I am trying to plot an equation that bifurcates by setting the points of
> a polygon as I iterate the equation. But I can’t figure how to handle the
> bifurcation. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Roger
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Re: Need to track click on a MacStatusMenu without menu items

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That is absolutely the proper metaphor. We just want to make good pasta, we
don’t want to deal with other languages. It’s enough of an alphabet soup
with web stuff.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 06:41 Mark Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Can I just add, that “fresh pasta” comment made my day :)
>
> Thank you
>
> > On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:03 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Monte,
> >
> > thanks for responding and assuming that it might be possible with
> adjustments to the source code.
> >
> > Regarding Livecode Builder, i am afraid i am a hopeless case. ;)
> > Tried so many times to follow the widget course and other resources, but
> it seems i will never understand that stuff completely. I was even able to
> adjust  the source code of the clock widget to disable the day/night color
> switch.  But as soon as ObjectC is involved i am lost.
> >
> > Anyway, one doesn't have to be able to do everything.
> > Hey, i am very good in making fresh pasta. Okay that doesn't help me
> here. ;)
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> > Matthias
> >
> > -
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >
> >> Am 02.11.2020 um 10:07 schrieb Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi Matthias
> >>
> >> It would be possible to add to the library I think. Should just be a
> matter of setting an action which posts a callback on the button of the
> NSStatusItem. If you want to have a play the library is open source ;-)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
> >>
> >>> On 2 Nov 2020, at 4:09 am, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> i am currently working on a Mac OS app which makes use of the
> MacStatusMenu Library.
> >>> Now i need a way to track a click on a Mac Status Menu icon which does
> not have any menu items.
> >>>
> >>> Is this somehow possible?
> >>>
> >>> Currently i am only able to track the click of a menu item of a Mac
> Status Menu.
> >>> But if no menu item is set and i click directly on the status menu
> icon, i do not get anything back.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Matthias Rebbe
> >>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >>>
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Curry,

Putting down the FBI won’t help anything and makes me think you might be
partial to the dark forces and fake news. We get enough of the hate through
other sources and it is unwelcome here.


On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:36 Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Matthias:
>
>  > So in my case it was not scam but just a rude person.
>
> Plenty of those around. Including what comes around.
>
> Manipulative people usually follow 2 tactics.
> Either buttering up for a favor, or being rude to apply pressure.
> Sometimes both; they will abruptly switch if one fails.
>
> In which case I tend to grab either popcorn or a flamethrower.
> Not a huge fan of manipulation.
>
> Doc hawk:
>
>  > asking about playing games like “hide the salami”
>
> Careful - from a sandwich point of view,
> that could potentially imply the "c" word!
>
> Heather:
>
>  > Did somebody say cheese??
>
> Probably those damn portrait photographers again!
> Truly evil people - no souls behind the fake smiles.
>
> (A little humor now and then is the best medicine.)
>
> Paul:
>
>  > you should not be surprised some people assume SCAM first
>
> My "unfavorites" were the "Windows tech support" and "Google listings"
> phone call scams.
>
> Right now during 2020-2021 my breathing isn't good enough for phone
> conversations anymore, and all calls go to voice mail.
>
> But in previous years those guys would call all the time. They weren't
> following any rules/laws anyway, so you couldn't get off their list by
> traditional methods.
>
> So I tried some unorthodox methods - pranking and wasting their time.
>
> I had one of the "Windows tech support" guys passionately defending
> himself when I asked what his family back in India would think about him
> becoming a criminal. Another couple of times, I played along with their
> spiel, got transferred from the little crook to the big crook, and
> wasted his time too for a while before scolding them and hanging up at
> the crucial moment. They eventually gave up on me just as I was planning
> some bigger pranks.
>
> (Our "FBI" is way too busy being a partisan political tool to handle any
> real crime; no telling how many scams they've allowed to flourish that
> it is their duty and job description to shut down and prevent.)
>
> But the "Google listings" people were unstoppable. They were operating
> in more of a legal/moral gray area, and they must have been raking in
> the $$$. Most persistent I've ever seen/heard. I suppose they are still
> at it; I just haven't been able to answer the phone for ages.
>
> My "unfavorite" email scam is the one where your email account will be
> closed unless you log in to verify it or approve the new security
> measures, etc. A couple of variations on this theme looked very real.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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>
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

My last word. Curry's gaslight and personal attack tells me all I need to
know about which team Curry is cheering for.
I am defending my words - I said nothing wrong or inaccurate. I was trying
to calm down the temperature and Curry's response just made it worse.

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:07 AM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Curry,
>
> Putting down the FBI won’t help anything and makes me think you might be
> partial to the dark forces and fake news. We get enough of the hate through
> other sources and it is unwelcome here.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 09:36 Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Matthias:
>>
>>  > So in my case it was not scam but just a rude person.
>>
>> Plenty of those around. Including what comes around.
>>
>> Manipulative people usually follow 2 tactics.
>> Either buttering up for a favor, or being rude to apply pressure.
>> Sometimes both; they will abruptly switch if one fails.
>>
>> In which case I tend to grab either popcorn or a flamethrower.
>> Not a huge fan of manipulation.
>>
>> Doc hawk:
>>
>>  > asking about playing games like “hide the salami”
>>
>> Careful - from a sandwich point of view,
>> that could potentially imply the "c" word!
>>
>> Heather:
>>
>>  > Did somebody say cheese??
>>
>> Probably those damn portrait photographers again!
>> Truly evil people - no souls behind the fake smiles.
>>
>> (A little humor now and then is the best medicine.)
>>
>> Paul:
>>
>>  > you should not be surprised some people assume SCAM first
>>
>> My "unfavorites" were the "Windows tech support" and "Google listings"
>> phone call scams.
>>
>> Right now during 2020-2021 my breathing isn't good enough for phone
>> conversations anymore, and all calls go to voice mail.
>>
>> But in previous years those guys would call all the time. They weren't
>> following any rules/laws anyway, so you couldn't get off their list by
>> traditional methods.
>>
>> So I tried some unorthodox methods - pranking and wasting their time.
>>
>> I had one of the "Windows tech support" guys passionately defending
>> himself when I asked what his family back in India would think about him
>> becoming a criminal. Another couple of times, I played along with their
>> spiel, got transferred from the little crook to the big crook, and
>> wasted his time too for a while before scolding them and hanging up at
>> the crucial moment. They eventually gave up on me just as I was planning
>> some bigger pranks.
>>
>> (Our "FBI" is way too busy being a partisan political tool to handle any
>> real crime; no telling how many scams they've allowed to flourish that
>> it is their duty and job description to shut down and prevent.)
>>
>> But the "Google listings" people were unstoppable. They were operating
>> in more of a legal/moral gray area, and they must have been raking in
>> the $$$. Most persistent I've ever seen/heard. I suppose they are still
>> at it; I just haven't been able to answer the phone for ages.
>>
>> My "unfavorite" email scam is the one where your email account will be
>> closed unless you log in to verify it or approve the new security
>> measures, etc. A couple of variations on this theme looked very real.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
>> Custom Software Development
>> "Better Methods, Better Results"
>> LiveCode Training and Consulting
>> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Dear Curry,
What has happened in Washington was way beyond the definition of political.
You are a vindictive, delusional, selfish person.
I was trying to give you an off-ramp to your parade of lies, or at least
apologize.
Instead you repeated my off-list message to you on the use-list. Very low
class.
What was the purpose of that? What were you looking for,  people to back up
your sorry ass?
If you are Republican and still support Trump the traitor and his
supporters, then I have zero respect for you.
period.

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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:47 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> Stephen:
>
>  > Curry's gaslight and personal attack
>
> Sorry guy, not true. Simply holding your post up to logic.
> You are political, so maybe you see politics everywhere.
>
> As I wrote to you offlist, in reply to your hateful and cursing rant:
>
> "Look again at my post. Notice the timeframe of the scams I mentioned.
> Now become aware of the timeframe of the FBI stuff YOU are talking
> about. Then apply logic. Or math. If you can!"
>
> It turns out that you are here promoting a particular brand of politics.
> Or at least attacking what you perceive as a different brand.
>
> And ironically, you display outright hatred against a group of people!
> Without being a bit bashful about it.
> Nice, Stephen. Great follow-up to your previous gender-bashing, which
> I'll be more than happy to link, if that's what you desire.
>
> I briefly mentioned lawfulness and spoke AGAINST politicizing
> institutions as a way to reduce crime and scams, in the context of and
> relevant to an already off-topic discussion. Too many scams, in turn
> affecting customer service for software.
>
> I don't believe politics should be on this list, anymore than in law
> enforcement. I was speaking AGAINST politics. You are still promoting
> them. As we see here:
>
>  > tells me all I need to
>  > know about which team Curry is cheering for.
>
> Offlist, you explained what you meant by "team" - you wrote:
>
>  > I am against TRUMP and his party and all they stand for.
>  > If you are one of those people, then I can only surmise you
>  > support the hate and racism and I have ZERO respect for you
>  > or your smartass opinions.
>  > Are you really the dude I had lunch with downtown Sebastopol?
>
> So again, if you are able to notice details, look at the time frames in
> my post, and you may finally notice that your rant had no logical basis.
>
> Beyond that, it's very troubling - the only hate I see here is yours.
> You used illogical means to place me into a group that you hate.
> And then you acted upon and demonstrated that hate toward me.
> It's not pretty.
>
> I hope you can grow beyond this tendency to hate! It's a real handicap.
> You are obviously a person with a lot of potential. Ditch the hatred.
> Logic and math are good friends. Trust them instead of prejudices.
>
> Whether it's gender, Trump, or whatever. Ease off the politics a bit!
> Get back into LiveCode and logic. :)
>
> And BTW, I've never even been to Sebastopol. What is that about?
>
> Best way to respond to hate is with love:
> I love you, Stephen. You have potential. Hope you get better.
> Happy coding
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
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Re: OT Friendly customers....

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

forgive me that last post was supposed to be for Curry only.


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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 3:41 PM Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Dear Curry,
> What has happened in Washington was way beyond the definition of political.
> You are a vindictive, delusional, selfish person.
> I was trying to give you an off-ramp to your parade of lies, or at least
> apologize.
> Instead you repeated my off-list message to you on the use-list. Very low
> class.
> What was the purpose of that? What were you looking for,  people to back
> up your sorry ass?
> If you are Republican and still support Trump the traitor and his
> supporters, then I have zero respect for you.
> period.
>
> sqb
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> mixstream.org
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:47 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Stephen:
>>
>>  > Curry's gaslight and personal attack
>>
>> Sorry guy, not true. Simply holding your post up to logic.
>> You are political, so maybe you see politics everywhere.
>>
>> As I wrote to you offlist, in reply to your hateful and cursing rant:
>>
>> "Look again at my post. Notice the timeframe of the scams I mentioned.
>> Now become aware of the timeframe of the FBI stuff YOU are talking
>> about. Then apply logic. Or math. If you can!"
>>
>> It turns out that you are here promoting a particular brand of politics.
>> Or at least attacking what you perceive as a different brand.
>>
>> And ironically, you display outright hatred against a group of people!
>> Without being a bit bashful about it.
>> Nice, Stephen. Great follow-up to your previous gender-bashing, which
>> I'll be more than happy to link, if that's what you desire.
>>
>> I briefly mentioned lawfulness and spoke AGAINST politicizing
>> institutions as a way to reduce crime and scams, in the context of and
>> relevant to an already off-topic discussion. Too many scams, in turn
>> affecting customer service for software.
>>
>> I don't believe politics should be on this list, anymore than in law
>> enforcement. I was speaking AGAINST politics. You are still promoting
>> them. As we see here:
>>
>>  > tells me all I need to
>>  > know about which team Curry is cheering for.
>>
>> Offlist, you explained what you meant by "team" - you wrote:
>>
>>  > I am against TRUMP and his party and all they stand for.
>>  > If you are one of those people, then I can only surmise you
>>  > support the hate and racism and I have ZERO respect for you
>>  > or your smartass opinions.
>>  > Are you really the dude I had lunch with downtown Sebastopol?
>>
>> So again, if you are able to notice details, look at the time frames in
>> my post, and you may finally notice that your rant had no logical basis.
>>
>> Beyond that, it's very troubling - the only hate I see here is yours.
>> You used illogical means to place me into a group that you hate.
>> And then you acted upon and demonstrated that hate toward me.
>> It's not pretty.
>>
>> I hope you can grow beyond this tendency to hate! It's a real handicap.
>> You are obviously a person with a lot of potential. Ditch the hatred.
>> Logic and math are good friends. Trust them instead of prejudices.
>>
>> Whether it's gender, Trump, or whatever. Ease off the politics a bit!
>> Get back into LiveCode and logic. :)
>>
>> And BTW, I've never even been to Sebastopol. What is that about?
>>
>> Best way to respond to hate is with love:
>> I love you, Stephen. You have potential. Hope you get better.
>> Happy coding
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>>
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Re: Positioning object in a loclocked group

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Well for one thing there’s a keyword in the name of the object.

Try using a name like “TheGroup”



On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 08:17 Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi all,
>
> I am sure there is a technical reason for this! 8-)
>
> I have a group set to 600*600 pixel and loclocked.
> Inside of the group there are two invisible objects,
> a button and a graphic.
>
> Now if I:
> ...
> create btn "b1" in grp "THE group"
> ## and
> set the loc of btn "b1" of grp "THE group" to whateverX,wahteverY
> ...
> where whateverX and Y are definitively inside of that group!
>
> Then the button stays however in the topleft corner of the group.
> Even moving the button some pixels to right or down does not work.
> Why, oh, why? :-)
>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
>
> Best
>
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Re: Levure Dataview drag-reordering

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yeah, Apple still thinks I live in Sevastopol, Ukraine!
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 8:08 AM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
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> Hi David,
>
> > Am 11.06.2021 um 17:03 schrieb David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Yeah sorry about the typo - sent from mobile. I meant Levure -  as
> Trevor is the main man with the drag stuff and having differenr styles for
> rows is a must.
>
> ah, OK, I'll pass it over to Trevor!
>
> > NB on the typo front I have a distant memory that aeons ago when I first
> got an iPhone I said yes to the spelling “fir”.  Ever since then all my
> devices seem to love this word - anyone have an idea how to correct this
> auto typing flaw?
>
> Sorry, no idea fir this problem... 8-)
>
>
> Best
>
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Re: Is there an issue with beep on iOS?

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Try adding the parameter 1 for a single beep

Beep 1
Beep 2

It appears that beep by itself does not work, or perhaps on a phone it
would work the vibrator.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 17:11 William Prothero via use-livecode <
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> Folks:
> This is a small thing, but I wonder if there is an issue with the beep
> command on iOS. I am on LC 9.6.3 and iOS 14.7.1, I get sound for other apps
> but my LC app only gives me the vibration.
>
> Best,
> Bill Prothero
>
>
>
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> waproth...@gmail.com
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Re: Apple App Store Agreement

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Does this actually level the playing field; or is it lip service?

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 11:57 Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
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> FYI
>
> "Apple has agreed to a class action settlement that will allow apps
> developers to implement payment systems outside of the App Store and
> communicate directly with customers about them."
>
>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-settles-lawsuit-to-allow-developers-to-use-payment-systems-outside-of-app-store/
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Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

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Welcome back, Andre!

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:56 Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
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> to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me
> to switch back to a mac...
>
> > On 7 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought
> this might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't
> occur to me that it was just speed.
> >
> > I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed
> issue with the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been
> affected by the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that
> I've been talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be
> fixed in a release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to
> be something platform specific.
> >
> > Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm
> whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems
> with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hi Lagi,
> >> I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz)
> and
> >> 2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly).
> >> Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores
> >> and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times
> longer
> >> in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag
> and
> >> bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode
> >> slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE.
> >> I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for
> you.
> >> It sounds a bit odd to me.
> >> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
> on a
> >>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7  processor and it  STILL runs like
> >>> treacle.
> >>> <<
> >>>
> >>> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your
> experience
> >>> on the cloud?  I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you
> have.
> >>> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself
> is
> >>> really slow (a 4yo laptop).  On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel,
> the
> >>> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5
> >>> Windows machine.
> >>>
> >>> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only
> found
> >>> in some odd cases.
> >>>
> >>> Regards, Bernard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install
>  something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in
> the
>  way
>  so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out.
> 
>   You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an
> extension,
>  and by the time they answer
>  you get cheesed off and remove the  program.
> 
>  The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6
> months
>  (whichever comes first).
> 
>  This stops the clever  SOD who decides to keep it running without
> exiting
>  for 6 months but it times out anyway.
>  Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing"
> twice
> >>> so
>  it will last 30 days.
> 
>  This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it
> without
>  rushing.
> 
>  The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal
>  customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps
> those
>  who want to give it a good try.
> 
>  You can also put a  nag screen  at the start of any executable with
> an OK
>  button  link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a
>  brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?).
> 
>  But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running
> >>> on a
>  16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7  processor and it  STILL runs
> like
>  treacle.
> 
>  If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in
> >>> less
>  than 30 minutes.
> 
>  You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away"
> >>> to
>  schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen.
> 
>  It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost -
> and
>  some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a
>  student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid
> >

Re: iOS 15 - Xcode version

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

*"Try Affinity Photo, really good software for only few bucks."*

Yes, a very capable app for about $50 US.   Different workflow than PS but
well thought out. Their documentation and learning materials are well
thought out. MAC AND PC, and a beautiful UI.


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On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:57 PM Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > Le 25 sept. 2021 à 00:19, Marty Knapp via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> a écrit :
> >
> >
> > But now I can no longer use Photoshop CS3! It’s probably 10 years old so
> it had a good long run. Now to find a replacement as I don’t want to pay
> $20 a month for that…
> >
>
> Hello !
>
> Try Affinity Photo, really good software for only few bucks.
>
>
> >
>
>
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Re: OT: Wordle

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

This list uses an ancient version of mailman that does not except
attachments of any kind, including images. You just need to find a place to
host the stuff you want to share and use the URL.

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 12:54 David Squance via use-livecode <
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> Thanks to Ali for creating this and making it available. However, I have a
> question about the dictionary used and whether the secret word in any given
> turn is chosen at random from that dictionary.
>
> My last game got me to:  ALOE-
>
> The first four letters are green, the last, an S is black. I tried to send
> a screenshot, but it’s too big for the list. Regardless of the other
> letters I’d used up, I can’t come up with anything that makes sense. Aloe
> as a verb? That’s a real stretch and not in the American Scrabble
> dictionary.
>
> Any ideas?
> Dave
>
> > On Jan 7, 2022, at 2:53 AM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Many of you will no doubt already be addicted to the game 'Wordle' (if
> not,
> > prepare to be: https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/) - the only
> problem
> > with it is that you only get one per day to solve. So I have taken the
> > liberty of making an unlimited version (in LC of course)
> > https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordle/wordle.html
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Re: RIP David Boggs

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Paywall

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>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/technology/david-boggs-dead.html?smid=url-share
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Re: RIP David Boggs

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The NYT claim that I have used up all of my “free views” this month is a
LIE.

Anyway, the New York Times is all about Rupert Murdoch now as far as I’m
concerned. Not exactly trusted.

I’m glad that Boggs invented ethernet. I remember when I first heard about
it; I was at a seminar for Covis in 1980 - all their Star Terminals in the
room were connected via ethernet. Later that year I had a job interview
with Andy Moore to possibly work at Sprocket systems in San Rafael
(Lucasfilm) and they also had a network of star terminals all over the
facility.

I didn’t have a degree so I didn’t get that second call. But it was good to
see my friends at work there, one eventually got an Academy award for his
work on Star Wars.

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> On 3/1/22 10:26, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > Paywall
>
> Opened without a paywall for me.
> That last quote is a keeper.
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Re: Trying to run standalone (headless) on Linux (Ubuntu) - failed at first hurdle

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Hi Ben,
Did you make the standalone on mac or win and  zip the file before
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On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 6:50 AM Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
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>
> I'm trying to develop an app which will run headless on Linux (actually in
> a
> docker container). I've done this before... so long ago that I can't
> remember... with an earlier version of this app. Normally I run this on
> Mac
> and Windows.
>
> So (under LiveCode 9.6.6) I simply checked the Linux 64 option in the
> Standalone builder, built the app, transported the folder with the binary
> "MyApp", "Externals" folder, and "revsecurity.so" to the Docker container,
> and
> tried to launch it:
>
> > # ./MyApp -ui
> > ./MyApp: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.1: cannot
> open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Does this mean that I
> need to
> do something different in how I build the app, or install something
> different
> in the environment?
>
> (The container is running Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS).
>
> TIA,
>
> Ben
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disk mounted (appleevent?)

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Hello everyone

Yes, I'm still here!

Is there a way to capture the mounting of a CD or DVD?
Other than the cheesy "polling" for a disk to appear?
I can't find this in the docs. Maybe not possible.

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Re: PHP -> curl -> LC

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Hi jbv,

I think this can be done using the. [dot]htaccess file at the root of the
website.

I’ll try to dig up an example.


On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 11:22 jbv via use-livecode <
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> Hi list,
>
> In several of my web projects, I have a main php script that
> triggers various LC scripts for specific tasks that are often
> easier to code in xTalk.
> To trigger those LC scripts I use curl and urls in the form :
> https://domain.com/irev/script.lc?a=parameters
>
> But very often, the php and LC scripts are on the same server
> and on the same account, such as on-rev.
> Therefore I've always wondered if there was another way to
> trigger the LC scripts from PHP, like for example not using
> http, but "inside" the server, by addressing the LC script
> via "home/public_html/account/irev/script.lc" ...
> Of course, the idea is to be able to use parameters as well,
> and to return processed data.
> The main idea is :
> - to make the whole thing faster than via http
> - to keep things within the server and therefore more secure.
>
> Sorry if this sounds like a newbie question.
> Thank you in advance.
>
> jbv
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Re: ChatGPT

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OK, we are interested. What is the backstory?  I just looked up ChatGPT
what did you have to do to get that response?
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 10:25 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
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> This is interesting.
>
> ME: Write a calendar app in livecode
>
> CHATGPT:
> To create a calendar in LiveCode, you can use a combination of text
> fields, buttons, and other controls to create a user interface that allows
> users to select a date and view the calendar for that month. Here is an
> example of how you might create a calendar in LiveCode:
> Create a new stack in LiveCode and add a text field to the top of the
> stack. This text field will be used to display the current month and year.
> Add twelve buttons to the stack, one for each month of the year. These
> buttons will be used to allow users to select a month.
> Add a list field to the stack and set its columns to display the days of
> the week (e.g. "Sunday", "Monday", etc.). This list field will be used to
> display the days of the month.
> Use the "on mouseUp" event for each of the month buttons to update the
> text field at the top of the stack with the selected month and year.
> Use a repeat loop to populate the list field with the days of the selected
> month. Start by setting the first item in the list to the first day of the
> month, then use the "next" function to move to the next day and add it to
> the list. Continue until the end of the month is reached.
> Use the "on mouseUp" event for the text field at the top of the stack to
> allow users to navigate to the previous or next month by updating the month
> and year displayed in the text field and updating the list field with the
> new days of the month.
> Add additional controls and functionality as needed, such as the ability
> to select a specific day or view the calendar for a specific year.
> This is just one example of how you might create a calendar in LiveCode.
> You can use a variety of different controls and techniques to create a
> calendar that meets your specific needs and requirements.
>
> ME: Continue
>
> CHATGPT:
> Use the "format" function to format the date displayed in the text field
> at the top of the stack. For example, you can use the "format" function to
> display the month and year in a specific format (e.g. "January 2022") or to
> display the month and year in a language other than English.
> Use conditional statements to handle special cases, such as leap years or
> months with different numbers of days. For example, you can use an if
> statement to check if the current year is a leap year and adjust the number
> of days in February accordingly.
> Use the "sort" function to sort the days of the month in the list field.
> This can make it easier for users to view the calendar and find specific
> dates.
> Add visual elements to the calendar to make it more appealing and
> user-friendly. For example, you can use colors, fonts, and images to
> highlight important dates or events.
> Test the calendar to ensure that it is working properly and that all of
> the functionality is working as expected. Make any necessary adjustments or
> fixes before publishing or sharing the calendar.
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Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami

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I still have the first copy of MacUser magazine, and right there was an ad
titled "Monks with Macs" and swami was right there.
I'm searching for that photo, in the meantime here's a more recent short
article about Swami:

https://blog.autogrow.com/the-monks-the-monastery-and-the-macbook-pro


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> I worked with Swami a few times -- he liked Navigator, so of course I think
> he was awesome :-)
>
> It's always sad to hear of someone passing. The memories they leave behind
> live on in all of us.
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Re: Bard AI

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Holy crap

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 13:44 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> So I asked Bard to create a poem about LiveCode. The first drafts were
> just short lines of text
> that didn't even qualify as blank poetry, so I revised my request to ask
> it to make the poem rhyme.
>
> **
> Sure! Here is a poem about the LiveCode coding language:
>
> LiveCode, oh LiveCode,
> You make coding so easy.
> With your natural English syntax,
> I can create what I please.
>
> I can build games and apps,
> Or websites and more.
> The possibilities are endless,
> With your simple yet powerful core.
>
> You're cross-platform and free,
> So anyone can use you.
> And you're backed by a passionate community,
> Who are always willing to help me through.
>
> LiveCode, oh LiveCode,
> You're the best coding language out there.
> With your help, I can create anything I imagine,
> And share it with the world without a care.
> **
>
> It needs some work on meter but it's no worse than some human poems I've
> read.
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Re: Bard AI

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Pardon my language, but this is wonderful.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 15:42 Stephen Barncard  wrote:

> Holy crap
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 13:44 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> So I asked Bard to create a poem about LiveCode. The first drafts were
>> just short lines of text
>> that didn't even qualify as blank poetry, so I revised my request to ask
>> it to make the poem rhyme.
>>
>> **
>> Sure! Here is a poem about the LiveCode coding language:
>>
>> LiveCode, oh LiveCode,
>> You make coding so easy.
>> With your natural English syntax,
>> I can create what I please.
>>
>> I can build games and apps,
>> Or websites and more.
>> The possibilities are endless,
>> With your simple yet powerful core.
>>
>> You're cross-platform and free,
>> So anyone can use you.
>> And you're backed by a passionate community,
>> Who are always willing to help me through.
>>
>> LiveCode, oh LiveCode,
>> You're the best coding language out there.
>> With your help, I can create anything I imagine,
>> And share it with the world without a care.
>> **
>>
>> It needs some work on meter but it's no worse than some human poems I've
>> read.
>>
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Re: Bard AI

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Got the invite, but nothing yet after I applied.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 17:03 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It was in the agreement I had to acknowledge before I could get in, and
> then plastered all over the place elsewhere.
>
> I think it's open to the public now, I saw a link somewhere that let you
> get on the waiting list. You could search for that if you want to try
> Bard.
> Google One subscribers like me got direct invitations.
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> On March 24, 2023 3:54:23 PM Craig Newman via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Jacque.
> >
> > They say that?
> >
> > Whether human or machine, where else would any of “us” glean
> information???
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >> On Mar 24, 2023, at 3:34 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> So much for Google's claim it doesn't directly pull from existing text.
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> >> On March 24, 2023 7:55:58 AM Craig Newman via use-livecode
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> We are ether doomed or blessed. We shall see...
> >>>
> >>> One small snippet from Jacques “new response” query:
> >>>
> >>> "and are typed at compile time based purely on context.”
> >>>
> >>> was a line I wrote in Wikipedia many years ago. It just made me
> realize how
> >>> such engines comb the entire universe for pertinent content, and then
> use
> >>> AI to compose.
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
>  On Mar 23, 2023, at 4:35 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>   wrote:
> 
>  and are typed at compile time based purely on context.
> >>>
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Re: Bard AI

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Thanks!

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 20:47 J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> It took a few days after I was invited before I was picked to participate.
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> On March 25, 2023 9:29:25 PM Stephen Barncard 
> wrote:
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> > Got the invite, but nothing yet after I applied.
>
>
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Re: Window code signing certificate source recommendations

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Programming is just not fun any more.
Being creative is now just completely overwhelmed by ... whatever this
is... just to get the thing on the air so people won't hack or steal.
*Security* is a job we need AI to handle, not to replace our own creativity
in the app itself.
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 6:57 AM matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
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> Paul,
>
> just googled a little bit...
>
> If you have a safenet USB Token, than there seems to be a way to disable
> the password pop up.
>
> https://www.finalbuilder.com/resources/blogs/code-signing-with-usb-tokens
>
> > Am 10.10.2023 um 15:05 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > On 10/10/2023 8:53 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Hello Paul,
> >>
> >> unfortunately this is the "new" standard. Since 1st June 2023 private
> keys has to be stored on a Token.
> >>
> https://www.sslpoint.com/new-private-key-storage-requirement-for-standard-code-signing-certificates/
> >>
> >> There is no way anymore to export a certificate for example to .pfx.
> >> And much more of a pain, it is not possible anymore to code sign
> Windows app under macOS or at least i was not able to so so far.
> >>
> >> I have a "cloud" certificate from Certum which i purchased from SSL
> Point (https://www.sslpoint.com )
> >>
> >> With this type of certificate the private key is not stored on a USB
> token. This "cloud" certifcate  works similar to a usb token. I also have
> to install some software. This software allow me to login to the "cloud"
> and after successful login i can use that certificate
> >> with Microsoft's signtool and JARsigner.
> >>
> https://www.files.certum.eu/documents/manual_en/Code-Signing-signing-the-code-using-tools-like-Singtool-and-Jarsigner_v2.3.pdf
> >>
> >> So to automate your signing, you just have to keep a Windows PC running
> and make sure that you are logged in to the "Cloud". As long as the
> software is logged in you have access to the certificate.
> >> I don't know if this is also the case with the USB Token. Could not
> test it, because i do not have a usb token. ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Matthias
> >
> > First, thank you for the very informative reply (with links!)
> >
> > Second, this "new" standard STINKS!
> >
> > The cloud cert sound interesting, but we recently renewed out macOS cert
> and now we've just renewed our Windows cert, so, short of trying to get
> money back from Comodo and switching to the "cloud", I guess I am stuck
> with the "new" crappy standard.
> >
> > I do not see how large software companies that automate build, signing,
> and even QA testing can accept this change. But they must of the suppliers
> of certs would not go this route for loss of income.
> >
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Re: disabled buttons still receive events, they just process them, later?

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"there's still stuff to
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 5:24 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> thanks, jacque & mark
> it's amazing that even after...a really long time...there's still stuff to
> learn.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 5:16 PM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It’s because of the wait - ‘blocking’ waits (those which aren’t ‘with
> > messages’) queue any (low level) events so they are handled at the next
> > wait (in this case the global one the engine does implicitly when there
> are
> > no handlers executing).
> >
> > Flushing events after the wait as Jacque suggests will ensure they aren’t
> > there to handle.
> >
> > Warmest Regards.
> >
> > Mark.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 21 Feb 2024, at 21:59, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > i did.
> > > i have both a button, and a power button.
> > > script:
> > >
> > > *local* count
> > >
> > > *on* mouseUp
> > >
> > > *if* the disabled of me *then* *put* cr & "disabled" after msg
> > >
> > > *add* 1 to count
> > >
> > > *set* the enabled of me to false
> > >
> > > *put* count
> > >
> > > *wait* 2 second
> > >
> > > *set* the enabled of me to true
> > >
> > > *end* mouseUp
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 4:47 PM Craig Newman via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mike.
> > >>
> > >> In a new stack I placed a button with this:
> > >>
> > >> on mouseUp
> > >>  beep 2
> > >> end mouseUp
> > >>
> > >> If I click on the button I hear two clicks. I disabled the button and
> > >> clicked on it. I enabled the button. No clicks. I did this all by
> hand.
> > Did
> > >> you?
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 21, 2024, at 4:07 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> alright, i'm a little surprised to notice this:
> > >>> i have a button. i disabled the button.
> > >>> then i clicked on the button
> > >>> then i re-enabled the button
> > >>> the click, from the period while the button was disabled, is received
> > and
> > >>> processed by the button.
> > >>> that seems problematic, to me. how would one cause clicks to be
> > >> discarded,
> > >>> permanently? hide the button? overlay it with a transparent control
> > that
> > >>> will absorb and ignore the clicks?
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Re: Live LiveCode Create demo - Application Payments portal

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Hi gang,
I missed the webinar. I have been working on the other side of the clock.
Is it possible to see a recording?

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 4:21 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
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>
> I also cannot attend a Zoom meeting now -
>
> My watch-later absentee request:
>
> Please demo the Application Payments portal interface/process to:
>
> - 'upload your monthly sales figures' including
> - 'the monthly reports from the app store/s you are shipping through.'
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: Random Data Generator

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was this excellent service "done in livecode"   ??

there was a pause while something loaded...

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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> Ever had the need to generate random data for a database demonstration or
> other things?
>
> https://www.generatedata.com/
>
> bob s
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

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Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
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> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>
> Bye
>
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >
> > If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> > in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> > occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> > is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> > and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> > and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> of
> > the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> > industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> > beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> given
> > us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >
> > Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> > hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> > compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> > whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> stay
> > on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> At
> > present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> > wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> > at what needs to be updated.
> >
> > Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> > a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> > this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
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> >
> >
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Re: Has Anyone Got A Directory \"Walker\" Available

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there's actually a directory walker search one can use in a shell command
 on mac that is quite speedy...

let me report back.

sqb

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> Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:
>
> > I wonder if shelling out to DIR on Windows and LS on Linux/Mac
> > wouldn’t be the fastest option…
>
> Maybe, but there's overhead in setting up the shell session.
>
> Even if it's measurably faster, I would be surprised if it were noticeably
> faster.
>
> Anything that depends on touching the disk with each call is likely to be
> far more I/O-bound than CPU-bound.
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Re: How to dismiss keyboard on mobile

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I've been struggling with this dilemma for years. thanks

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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> It's not something you would put in a field. Focus on nothing is something
> you send to lose focus on any object that currently has the focuw.
>
> For instance, you have a field which calls a validation function upon
> closeField. You have a button that saves the information in the field
> somewhere. At least on MacOS, clicking the button does NOT cause the field
> to lose focus, because on MacOS a button cannot HAVE the focus. Hence your
> validation script will never trigger, and you might save bad data.
>
> So in the mouseUp handler of the button, the first line could be focus on
> nothing. This will trigger the closeField message of the field and execute
> your validation script.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On May 10, 2018, at 07:28 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > on returnInField
> >   focus on nothing
> > end returninfield
> >
> > # when I put that into field itself: does nothing:
> > # on android I get a carriage return in the field on hitting returnkey
> >
> > maybe it has to do with what Jacqueline said "
> >
> > "These are just messages that the engine sends when the focus changes,
> > they don't control the field themselves. As mentioned, "focus on
> > nothing" is the command that does the actual work."
> >
> > But I would rather they don't have to click another control, other than
> the return key while inside the field itself
> >
> > BR
> >
> >
> >
> >That is what I do whenever I need a closeField or exitField to
> trigger on a currently entered field before running off and doing things.
> focus on nothing is what you want.
> >
> >Bob S
> >
> >
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Re: WTF Worldpay?

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Worldpay is a nightmare with every use. I thought Livecode dropped them.
Really annoying.

I finally had to set up a 'verified by visa' account for second level
testing.
really annoying as I've bought all kinds of software from EU without the
third degree.

Didn't LC implement PayPal finally?

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> Still won't accept my credit cards.
> Is this a brexit thing?
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Sean, with all due respect, Monte probably has a deal with livecode that
enables him to retain ownership of his rights to his code that he wrote in
return for whatever deal he has with livecode.

Wouldn’t you?

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 09:41 Pi Digital via use-livecode <
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> Thanks for the clarification, Monte.
>
> But just to clarify in return (respectfully), when I spoke of IDE changes
> I was specifically referring to the Project Browser (omitted from your
> quote). As the greatest extent of items within the IDE that need fixing are
> GUI with the majority of their code within their respective stacks. I’d
> started on the project browser back n it’s early days but quickly got shut
> down by two of LCs former coders. I even created a stack comparator but
> they weren’t interested (surprisingly).
>
> I appreciate, though, that google had been a bit rubbish at notifying,
> mainly because they relied mostly on notifying when people logged in but
> our API had silent mode on so we never heard. In my defence however, oAuth
> and similar have been under review by every provider for the last three
> years due to security, so perhaps having looked during those years for
> anything that uses oAuth or similar to ensure they are up to date. Now is
> probably a good opportunity to check all of the other ones.
>
> I hope this doesn’t touch a nerve, but why hasn’t the mergext stuff been
> set as open source also. This would be useful to the community with regards
> building extensions for LiveCode (similar to the new sockets library).
>
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source
>
> And then we just need to wait several months potentially before that fix
> sees the light of day. Not helpful!
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 27 May 2018, at 02:11, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sean
> >
> > It is a relief to hear from you. I’m sorry if you were weirded out by
> the help offered. I have struggled in the past to swallow my pride and just
> accept help when I need it. Last year dealing with Rebecca’s cancer was a
> humbling experience for me in this regard.
> >
> > Anyway, there’s a few points I thought it might be helpful to clarify
> for yourself and others below.
> >
> >> Due to various security risks,
> >> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
> >> oAuth entry.
> >
> > Although this may appear to be blame shifting I’d like to point out that
> when Dropbox dropped API v1 they sent a number of emails allowing us to get
> prepared to offer something for v2. Google’s little note at the bottom of a
> page you don’t really look for little notes on really didn’t help that much
> clearly.
> >
> >> Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
> >> not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us.
> >
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source.
> >
> >> which
> >> we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept
> ide
> >> amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
> >> GitHub!!!
> >
> > If the issue is in a script only stack which most things are in the IDE
> then we do accept contributions.
> >
> >> Looking at the latest LC8 release, the ‘fix’ Monte did for mergGoogle
> >> hasn’t been added in. It’s hardly working let alone ‘Stable’ then, is
> it!!
> >
> > This is the main point I wanted to clarify. When I heard of your
> situation I stopped doing the work I had been assigned and started working
> on a fix for you. Doing it as quick as I could meant breaking the mac cross
> compilation so I built for iOS, ensured it worked and posted a link for you
> (or anyone else to access it). So that leaves on the todo list before it
> becomes part of the main distribution for me to fix the mac build, have it
> reviewed by another member of the team and included in the main bundle of
> mergExt builds we include in the distribution. In the meantime we have a
> build that works for those that need it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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Re: Tessellated hexagonal grid?

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"If I pretend I am a flat-earther, and that the earth I live on is
hexagonal, I want all those people who are
silly enough to believe that the world is spherical to fall off the
hexagonal earth at the vertices of the hexagon,
and not the vertices of some other polygonal shape that encloses my
hexagonal earth that's vertices are
not completely congruent with that hexagon.
​"

!!!
This concept should be in the constitution of every country in the world.
If they have one.

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On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> One of the problems about any polygonal shape in LiveCode is that it still
> subsists inside a square/rectangle.
>
> That might seem like a crashingly obvious remark until one starts to
> consider how squares and how hexagons tesselate.
>
> And, even more to the point, how the human brain (and, face facts, most of
> the time we are likely to be dealing
> with either a square or hexagonal grid on a computer is because we want to
> "fool" humans into believing that
> what the screen presents them with is a square or hexagonal grid with all
> the functionality and meaning of
> square or hexagonal grids in the real world).
>
> If I pretend I am a flat-earther, and that the earth I live on is
> hexagonal, I want all those people who are
> silly enough to believe that the world is spherical to fall off the
> hexagonal earth at the vertices of the hexagon,
> and not the vertices of some other polygonal shape that encloses my
> hexagonal earth that's vertices are
> not completely congruent with that hexagon.
>
> I'm messing around with hexagons right now, and will post some of my
> thoughts in the Forum.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
> On 27/6/2018 1:42 pm, David V Glasgow via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the responses regarding hexes.
>>
>> I had already worked through the ‘redblobgames’ resources, and it was the
>> prospect of trying to implement a hex system in Livecode which was the
>> gotcha.
>>
>> The frustrating thing is that the polygon object displays a nice
>> scaleable hex - and yet it seems this is not a viable route?  Why would SVG
>> be any better?  (thats not a lament or rhetorical question, I would be very
>> interested to know)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> David Glasgow
>>
>> On 27 Jun 2018, at 10:30 am, hh via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here a rather complete guide to the "theory" with a link
>>> to implementation guides for several programming languages,
>>> especially, close to LC, JavaScript.
>>>
>>> https://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

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In the end Hacks require creation of a boot rom from unsupported sources.
Copyright?
it's also a bit of work.



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On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
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> Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the
> "HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and
> "rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on
> ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious
> rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share
> ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never
> heard it from me!  Apple rules!
>
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
>
> > Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > "elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:
> >
> > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> upgraded above 10.7.5
> >
> > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that
> matter), could you elucidate on the
> > specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which
> systems YOU employ which are not
> > compatible with LC v9...
> > >
> > > If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities
> regarding LC v9, other than those
> > listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would
> appreciate knowing about them and
> > have them encapsulated in one place.
> > >
> > > Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or
> reported bugs?
> > >
> > > Douglas Ruisaard
> > > Trilogy Software
> > > (250) 573-3935
> > >
> > >> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
> > >> this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work
> with LC 9.
> > >>
> > >> Richmond.
> > >>
> > >> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-dae...@meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> > >>> Panos Merakos  changed bug 19998
> > >>> 
> > >>> What  Removed Added
> > >>> StatusAWAITING_RELEASERESOLVED
> > >>> Resolution--- FIXED
> > >>>
> > >>> *Comment # 5 
> > >>> on bug 19998 
> > >>> from Panos Merakos  * Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Panos
> > >
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list
> with reasons why:
>
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL"
> 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is
> a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>and I like coloured icons.
>
> 2. Obsolete.
>
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and
> saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate
> iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and
> Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006
> Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
>  flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of
> the iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when
> programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content
> reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
>  via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12
> years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow
> children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
>  via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second
> monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.
>
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present
> when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and
> too much bother.
>
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
>
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for
> Aquascutum in 1972.
>
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover
> of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>   me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
>
> 3. Upgrade.
>
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
>
> 4. Update.
>
> quod erat demonstrandum
>
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day .
> . .
>
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if
> that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who
>> firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a
>> device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer
>> device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current
>> software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a
>> device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware
>>> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently
>>> their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>
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Re: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font

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"Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?"

I could see how 'conveyor belt' could be easily lost in translation.

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
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> Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that “wider”
> bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
> The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried
> and sorted on a“tractor tapes”. Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?
>
> If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will
> add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing.
> The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
> So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser
> printer.
>
>
>
> > Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work
> with these settings?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have to add something.
> >>
> >> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true
> as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> >>
> >> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> >> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
> ones.
> >>
> >> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels
> with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> >>
> >> put “3" into tNarrow
> >> put “6" into tWide
> >> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> >> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> >> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> >> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias Rebbe
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

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lose the quotes inside the brackets??

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <
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> Hi Bernd,
>
> Unfortunately when I tried your code the copies referred back to the
> original.
>
> best wishes
>
> Simon
> > On 25 Jul 2018, at 13:22, BNig via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control
> uses
> > to the custom controls.
> > then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two
> images
> > "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> >
> > on newGroup
> >   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >  set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> >   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >  set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> > end newGroup
> >
> > "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> > That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into
> a
> > new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Bernd
> >
> > That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> > can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> >
> >
> > Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
> >> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my “hints and
> tips”
> >> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow
> to
> >> know.
> >>
> >> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
> >> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the
> control
> >> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
> >> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
> >> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
> >> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video
> some
> >> years ago and I know no better.
> >>
> >> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
> >> components stored in different locations and they may well become
> >> separated sometime in the future.
> >> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
> >> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and
> Mark
> >> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
> >> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
> >> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
> >> realise that one answer might be “write a widget” but I don’t really
> want
> >> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to
> recreate
> >> a control that I already have.
> >>
> >> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I
> did
> >> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
> >> learn.
> >>
> >> Thanks again and best wishes
> >>
> >> Simon
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

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Beautiful work, Randy

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 16:19 Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
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> LC apps. I should have been more specific.
>
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
> > On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype
> crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for
> you.
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS
> apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
> >>
> >> be well,
> >> randy
> >> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
> >>>
> >>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally
> a
> >>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
> >>> upcoming release.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Panos
> >>> --
> >>>
>  On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, 
> wrote:
> 
>  I've been using 9.0.0.
> 
>  When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>  navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
> 
>  When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff
> like my
>  navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app
> launch.
> 
>  --Andrew Bell
> 
>  --
> 
> 
>  @Andrew thanks for checking.
> 
>  Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>  acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2
> might be
>  already fixed.
> 
>  Best,
>  Panos
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>  On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>  app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>  directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message)
> so I
>  had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>  (public beta 3) to test.
> 
>   I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first
> place:
>    1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app
> (between
>  the openStack and openCard it seems)
>    2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>  card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
> 
>   I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>  #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into
> this!
> 
>   --Andrew Bell
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Re: OT: Looking for a new programming language?

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No! Not another name change!
I still remember Runtime Revolution

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>
> "But why?
> Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able
> to talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
>
> https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
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Re: OT: Looking for a new programming language?

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And does that violate the terms of service!?

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> Ahaha… are you doing the LiveCode implementation?
>
> > On 28 Jul 2018, at 2:51 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "But why?
> > Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able to
> talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
> >
> > https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> > https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

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On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:45 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
 wrote:

> Hmmm. I want to see the "beautiful work" ?? that Randy has done...
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
>
>  Stephen Barncard
>
> Beautiful work, Randy
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Re: Getting Started with DataGrid

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Names are merely abstractions.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 19:15 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Aloha "Zryip"
>
> At $45.00 (cheap) and with your own endorsement (knowing that it is
> maintained)
>
> I'll get it!
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
> Ps do you have a real name?
>
> On 8/2/18, 12:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of zryip theSlug via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Swami,
>
> We have some free material about datagrids form or table.
>
> 1. A tutorial written long time ago before I created DGH, exploring the
> very basic concepts of the datagrid control (form and table):
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/3-tutorials
>
> 2. Some demo stacks created for demonstrating datagrid's possibilities
> such
> as drag and drop, calculation, etc
> http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab
>
> 3. About your screenshot, a datagrid form will be your better option
> in my
> opinion.
>
> 4. And about Data Grid Helper, I can not answer objectively to your
> question, for sure. All I can say is the tool has regular updates for
> supporting the new versions of LiveCode. A new  major (nothing to do
> with
> our friend Klaus :) (I prefer to specify because he made me the joke
> on the
> livecode forum, haha :) )) 2.5 version has been released in June
> supporting
> dg2 properties, widgets, custom headers, etc. A blog article has been
> published about it, with some available screenshots of the new
> features:
> https://livecode.com/data-grid-helper-2-5-adds-support-for-datagrid-2/
>
> Now, if someone in the List want to add a comment about DGH, positive
> or
> not, he / she is welcome. :)
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
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Re: Getting Started with DataGrid

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

 Thank you for your service, Mr. slug.
I love your revolutionary spirit, and thank you for your contributions,
priceless on this list.

I’m blown away.

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 10:09 zryip theSlug via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear Swami,
>
> Thanks for your purchase.
>
>
> Yes I do have a real name and I do have a good reason to not share it
> publicly. When I came with the personnal challenge 8 years ago to create a
> commercial plugin, I was an employee and as a developper, my employment
> contract was containing a clause not allowing me to develop something like
> that.
> Now, even if I'm no longer a developer (my service was closed some years
> ago, and I failed to find a new job like the old one, because I have just
> no diploma in development, despite more than 10 years experience in
> different languages) my new employer not allowed me to cumulate salaries
> even if I might earn one dollar with an another activity. I asked and he
> was clear in his reply.
>
> So I don't know what rules you have in your countries, but these rules are
> real in mine and my risk is just to be fired. As I'm considering I'm free
> to do what I want during my free time and hobbies, to be sure this will
> never happen, you will never seen my real name anywhere.
>
> So I'm quite outlaw, free to do what I want (developping a commercial
> plugin during my free time, just because this was an old dream, a challenge
> and this is actually for me a way to continue to code for real users),
> using an odd nick name, which is well worth another.
>
> That's all the story behind this. Hope I have clarified this a bit.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
>  wrote:
>
> > Aloha "Zryip"
> >
> > At $45.00 (cheap) and with your own endorsement (knowing that it is
> > maintained)
> >
> > I'll get it!
> >
> > Brahmanathaswami
> >
> > Ps do you have a real name?
> >
> > On 8/2/18, 12:01 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of zryip theSlug via
> > use-livecode"  > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Swami,
> >
> > We have some free material about datagrids form or table.
> >
> > 1. A tutorial written long time ago before I created DGH, exploring
> the
> > very basic concepts of the datagrid control (form and table):
> > http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/3-tutorials
> >
> > 2. Some demo stacks created for demonstrating datagrid's
> possibilities
> > such
> > as drag and drop, calculation, etc
> > http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/4-lab
> >
> > 3. About your screenshot, a datagrid form will be your better option
> > in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > 4. And about Data Grid Helper, I can not answer objectively to your
> > question, for sure. All I can say is the tool has regular updates for
> > supporting the new versions of LiveCode. A new  major (nothing to do
> > with
> > our friend Klaus :) (I prefer to specify because he made me the joke
> > on the
> > livecode forum, haha :) )) 2.5 version has been released in June
> > supporting
> > dg2 properties, widgets, custom headers, etc. A blog article has been
> > published about it, with some available screenshots of the new
> > features:
> >
> https://livecode.com/data-grid-helper-2-5-adds-support-for-datagrid-2/
> >
> > Now, if someone in the List want to add a comment about DGH, positive
> > or
> > not, he / she is welcome. :)
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
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Re: editing & combining sound files?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

if you have a lot of files to convert, I'd go for using Livecode for "glue"
while making calls to SOX.
SOX can convert and move in one operation;

forget doing anything in Livecode with sound - the internals are not
equipped to be easy to manipulate.
I actually made an editor that could draw out an imbedded sound in a stack
and export to AIFF by moving binary blocks around and reconstructing the
headers and jump tables. There are several ambiguities in audio file
standards to make things messy, although the audio blocks of WAV and AIFF
files are almost identical. Look out for little and big endian variations,
etc.

SOX did everything I needed, including conversion to MP3.


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On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well, maybe some day I'll put the time in to study Geoff's and Tom's
> solutions. But, for future reference, below is my easier-for-me solution.
>
> First, use a sound-editor (Goldwave) to convert all AU files to RAW (i.e.,
> snd).
>
> Second, run this LC script to merge those converted files (interleaved with
> silence) into a new .snd file:
>
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/faster/{file ID}.snd" into tNewSnd
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/1_sec_silence.snd" after tNewSnd
>  put URL "binfile:C:/the_path/slow/{file ID}.snd" after tNewSnd
>  put tNewSnd into URL  "binfile:C:/the_path/CD/{file ID}.snd"
>
> Third, use the sound-editor again, this time to convert those new .snd
> files into .mp3.
>
> That's it. But if someone wants to post exact details of how to LC script
> what Geoff suggests, i.e., stripping headers from an .au (or any!) sound
> file type, I'm still all ears.
>
> Cheers.
>
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>
> On 23 August 2018 at 13:40, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > sox is good for this kind of stuff, you can automate the command-lines
> > using livecodebut you can skip some of the bs you would probably
> > encounter with LC and audio "processing".
> >
> > http://sox.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:30 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I did something very much like this way, way, way long ago (in the
> > MetaCard
> > > days...). I don't remember the sound format, and it was mono, not
> stereo,
> > > but it turned out that the format for the sound file was *really*
> > simple: a
> > > few bytes of easily-managed header, a bunch of binary data that
> > represented
> > > the sound file data, and a few bytes of footer.
> > >
> > > So the steps above would be roughly:
> > >
> > > 1. Read in the binary data from the sound file, strip the
> header/footer.
> > > 2. Figure out what the "silence" value is for that sound format,
> append a
> > > certain number of that value to the data.
> > > 3,4. Read in the binary data from the second file, strip the
> > header/footer
> > > and append to the data.
> > > 5. ??? Not sure how to do this. Instead, might add the appropriate
> > > header/footer and write out the data in the same format as the input
> > files.
> > > 6. Close the access to the original files.
> > >
> > > If MP3 isn't comprehensible, then you could bulk convert the resulting
> > > files from AU to MP3 using any number of tools.
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 5:14 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello List,
> > > >
> > > > I wish to automate a repetitive (and tedious!) process that's now
> being
> > > > done manually using a sound-file editor (Goldwave).
> > > >
> > > > The process is:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Open an AU sound file.
> > > > 2. Append 1 second of silence to that file.
> > > > 3. Open a 2nd AU sound file.
> > > > 4. Copy and append that 2nd file to the 1st file.
> > > > 5. Save as MP3 with a new title that now-modified 1st file.
> > > > 6. Close that 1st file unmodified.
> > > > 7. [Repeat 1-6.]
> > > >
> > > > If this is possible (easily possible!) with LC, what LC commands
> ought
> > I
> > > be
> > > > studying/using?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > >
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Re: Best way to store videos

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

 YouTube is great these days. If you take the time to become a verified
subscriber all the world will be revealed to you. They have many tools and
they re-written the whole thing, and it’s pretty good. It’s also free. You
can make playlists and decide what happens at the end, and add links and
other text.

After you earn your stars and are good for a while they will give you these
privileges.

And as far as video streaming, they actually appear to be the best. They
are so equipped with their mirror servers all over the world.

I used to shun YouTube for several years because of their lower quality at
the time but now they’ve come up to do not only great serving but live
streaming as well.

You can create extra users. And it has a better social features.

  Vimeo streaming is still excellent but I like the extended distribution
that YouTube has.  And I have to pay over $100 a year to be able to upload
the quality I want quickly.

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:20 Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> just fyi..you can disable to recommened videos in the embedd code..
> you can also detect via java script when the video ends. so you really have
> more control than you think.  just got to send script to the browser .
> "do in widget".
>
> I haven't done anything crazy ...but i know that there is more control than
> what is obvious at first.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks:
> > I have numerous videos that I would like to play on a wordpress web site,
> > and in livecode. I don’t want to host these on my own server for obvious
> > reasons of bandwidth, support for different browsers, etc.
> >
> > This is not a commercial project, but an educational software project
> > where I give it away for free. So, I would rather not pay, but I have
> > looked into Vimeo and the lowest rate of $7/mo could work. I’ve tried
> > YouTube and it has so many privacy issues. Also,  when the video ends it
> > displays unrelated material that would be distracting to students.
> >
> > I understand that any free service will probably want to grab users’ info
> > for marketing. That’s the world we are in.
> >
> > Buuut.. do you have a strategy that you could recommend?
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: Best way to store videos

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

um... Peter.. streaming video is not just about having the storage space...
It's what the servers do to match up the devices calling with the
appropriate size and type file. Typically many versions of the same video
are created for each upload. The Vimeo and YouTube web apps handle all of
that.

Believe me I resisted for years and insisted on hosting my own video
content, but when the quality got to be HD for everyone, they dumped Flash®
and I figured out how one could turn off the ads, I was sold.

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> You could also look at Amazon AWS S3 storage.
>
> It’s pretty much free for the first year. Then, depending on usage, could
> be only a few dollars a month.
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
>
> Videos could then be played directly in a Livecode player control, as well
> as on your website. One of the benefits of the LC player is that you can
> program events to happen in response to particular timings set in the
> video—callbacks. This is great for pedagogy—synchronized subtitles,
> comments, animations as a video (or audio) plays.
>
> Peter
>
> > On Aug 23, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > YouTube is great these days. If you take the time to become a verified
> > subscriber all the world will be revealed to you. They have many tools
> and
> > they re-written the whole thing, and it’s pretty good. It’s also free.
> You
> > can make playlists and decide what happens at the end, and add links and
> > other text.
> >
> > After you earn your stars and are good for a while they will give you
> these
> > privileges.
> >
> > And as far as video streaming, they actually appear to be the best. They
> > are so equipped with their mirror servers all over the world.
> >
> > I used to shun YouTube for several years because of their lower quality
> at
> > the time but now they’ve come up to do not only great serving but live
> > streaming as well.
> >
> > You can create extra users. And it has a better social features.
> >
> >  Vimeo streaming is still excellent but I like the extended distribution
> > that YouTube has.  And I have to pay over $100 a year to be able to
> upload
> > the quality I want quickly.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:20 Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> just fyi..you can disable to recommened videos in the embedd
> code..
> >> you can also detect via java script when the video ends. so you really
> have
> >> more control than you think.  just got to send script to the browser
> .
> >> "do in widget".
> >>
> >> I haven't done anything crazy ...but i know that there is more control
> than
> >> what is obvious at first.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM William Prothero via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks:
> >>> I have numerous videos that I would like to play on a wordpress web
> site,
> >>> and in livecode. I don’t want to host these on my own server for
> obvious
> >>> reasons of bandwidth, support for different browsers, etc.
> >>>
> >>> This is not a commercial project, but an educational software project
> >>> where I give it away for free. So, I would rather not pay, but I have
> >>> looked into Vimeo and the lowest rate of $7/mo could work. I’ve tried
> >>> YouTube and it has so many privacy issues. Also,  when the video ends
> it
> >>> displays unrelated material that would be distracting to students.
> >>>
> >>> I understand that any free service will probably want to grab users’
> info
> >>> for marketing. That’s the world we are in.
> >>>
> >>> Buuut.. do you have a strategy that you could recommend?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> William A. Prothero
> >>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>>
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Re: Internet Date Service test

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Hi Peter,

why don't you consider a VPN for such testing? It can place you in any
country you need, and you get immediate confirmation.   VPN's are plentiful
and free to cheap.

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For trial version expiration of my program, I’ve been attempting to use
> the US Naval Observatory time service which has an API that returns info as
> JSON data:
>
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/api.php#jdconv <
> http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/api.php#jdconv>
>
> My request:
> put URL "http://api.usno.navy.mil/jdconverter?date=today&time=
> 22:15:23.5&ID=ArtsInteractive" into sJulianDateJSON
>
> I have a handler that checks for the local variable sJulianDateJSON to
> contain the returned data, then I use the current Julian date returned (the
> number of days since January 1, 4713 BC) to write and check on the current
> date and expiration dates.
>
> It seems to work well in on my computer and others in the USA, but a
> Windows tester in Costa Rica can’t seem to get a response. I haven’t
> figured out if this is a programming or Internet issue, and it’s difficult
> to determine since it works well for me on Mac and Windows.
>
>
>
> Would any of you test this small LC stack — in the USA or elsewhere? And
> send me results directly to my email address?
>
> https://artsinteractive-products.s3.amazonaws.com/
> MITA/Get_Julian_Date.livecode.zip  products.s3.amazonaws.com/MITA/Get_Julian_Date.livecode.zip>
>
> 1. Click “Get Julian Date”. If it works, it should show a number in the
> “Julian Date” field after a few seconds.
> 2. “Clear” resets the result fields
> 3. The top field “Try x times” can be set to a larger number if necessary.
> 4. If it works the “Send Email” will attempt to use your email client to
> email me the results.
>
>
> And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> date/time I’d like to hear that…
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
> ArtsInteractive
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Re: Internet Date Service test

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how about google time?

https://developers.google.com/time/

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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, that’s right.
>
> We had a report of a user setting back his OS date to extend his demo.
> This caused us much consternation, thus the desire for an independent date
> source.
>
> Peter
>
> > On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the goal is an independent time (date) source to ensure that the
> value is correct. I’m curious about the best solution. Probably would
> involve your own server though.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > On Sep 14, 2018, 7:36 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> >>
> >>> And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> >>> date/time I’d like to hear that…
> >>
> >> Using "the seconds" returns a value that accounts for local GMT offset.
> >> with the value returned being for GMT.
> >>
> >> So if you get the seconds and then display them on a machine set to a
> >> different time zone, the time zone will be taken into account when using
> >> the convert command to display them in any human-readable format.
> >>
> >> FWIW "the internet date" is similarly useful for converting to other
> >> formats in ways that take local time zone into account.
> >>
> >> AFAIK those are the only two built-in date formats that account for GMT
> >> offset, but I've used both for network services where users trade data
> >> across many time zones and they work quite well.
> >>
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> >>
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Re: Internet Date Service test

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I'd rather use a time server that a lot of people use and is maintained. A
private web server's clock depends on ...x for reference?

"Google Public NTP serves leap-smeared time
. We use this technology to
smoothly handle leap seconds with no disruptive events.

We implemented Google Public NTP with our load balancers
 and our fleet of atomic clocks
in data centers around the world.

   - Configure your network settings to use time.google.com as your NTP
   server."


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On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 7:55 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> You could put a little one line CGI on your server that just returns the
> time and date.
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>
> On September 14, 2018 8:47:51 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that’s right.
>>
>> We had a report of a user setting back his OS date to extend his demo.
>> This caused us much consternation, thus the desire for an independent date
>> source.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:56 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the goal is an independent time (date) source to ensure that the
>>> value is correct. I’m curious about the best solution. Probably would
>>> involve your own server though.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
>>> On Sep 14, 2018, 7:36 PM -0500, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>>>
 Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

 And… if anyone has a method that doesn’t rely on the user’s local
> date/time I’d like to hear that…
>

 Using "the seconds" returns a value that accounts for local GMT offset.
 with the value returned being for GMT.

 So if you get the seconds and then display them on a machine set to a
 different time zone, the time zone will be taken into account when using
 the convert command to display them in any human-readable format.

 FWIW "the internet date" is similarly useful for converting to other
 formats in ways that take local time zone into account.

 AFAIK those are the only two built-in date formats that account for GMT
 offset, but I've used both for network services where users trade data
 across many time zones and they work quite well.

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Re: [ANN] animationEngine is free now

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

yes, please stay on the list...we need your wisdom and humor.  I'm kind of
a lurker but still use LC for my quirky hybrid (but totally not shrink
wrapped) programming.  I love this culture of Rev.
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> On 9/28/18 2:15 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode wrote:
> > Today I am not doing much development work anymore. There will be one
> last try through a Kickstarter campaign in a couple of days, but if that
> fails, I’ve basically had my days in dev.
>
> I'm sorry to hear that, Malte. I'm sure your reasons are for the best
> but I wouldn't want you to disappear. Please keep in touch.
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Re: [off] Do me a solid

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

still they are depending on AWS?  Amazon is "the man" now...
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:57 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
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> 4 wordsIPFS. :D
>
> thats the future of a decentralized web :) IPFS is going to take off in the
> next 2 years like a bat out of hell, as more and more decentralized
> applications are developed on top of it and proven to work at scale.
> TBLee's tech will have to at least match IPFS or be way behind from day 1.
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:37 PM John McKenzie via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >  Mike, thanks for the link to the Berners-Lee article. Could somebody
> > please explain to me what he is doing as described by the article
> > though?
> >
> >  It says he is taking something decentralized like the world wide web
> > and is making it decentralized. I can do that. There I just did it.
> > Anyone can host a web server now. They talk about data and storage
> > control and we have all those things now. People choose to use Faceook,
> > not Diaspora, etc, they choose to use Google Drive not a local hard
> > drive, etc. We already have the technology and finished applications to
> > do everything mentioned in the article.
> >
> >  I do not meant to sound critical or mean I just honestly do not
> > understand the point of the article and would like to know. Or am I just
> > overthinking it and the only point is Berners-Lee has a better way to
> > program these things?
> >
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Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Does the same thing happen with VMware?

not that I have any plans to develop anything in Windows.
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On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:16 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
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> I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
> down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running under
> Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking for
> the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
> LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can be
> a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must be
> a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring the
> shift key.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Howard:
> >>
> >>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
> >>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
> >>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
> >>
> >> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new stack
> >> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
> >>
> >> It works fine here.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for testing this out.
> >
> >
> >> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
> >> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out the
> >> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
> >>
> >> on mousemove x,y
> >>   put x,y && the shiftkey
> >> end mousemove
> >>
> >
> > Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code and
> > results were absolutely clear.
> >
> >
> >> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real Windows,
> >> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this is
> >> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a problem.
> >>
> >> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
> >> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so, if
> >> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite the
> >> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts much of
> >> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
> >> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I always
> >> use real Mac and real Windows.
> >>
> >
> > I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of the
> > app where I applied this technique so, hopefully I'll be able to see if
> it
> > works on a real PC and if the problem is Parallels. I'm a Mac guy too and
> > only use Windows to test apps built for both platforms.
> >
> >
> >> But if you get different results with a fresh stack and LC, if there is
> >> something else going on and you would like me to test your actual stack
> >> (on native Windows) or help solve your problem, feel free to contact me
> >> off-list. Interesting.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks. I'll let you know what my friend turns up.
> >
> >
> >> (Meanwhile, hope we can get improvements for some of the real Windows
> >> problems that LC has. It's difficult to type in the LC 901 script editor
> >> on Windows - that is a pretty huge issue. I have a WordLib update coming
> >> out in a few days, pending final tests, and it never hurts to have a
> >> fully usable version of the latest LC IDE on both platforms!)
> >>
> >
> > I did work a little bit in the script editor under Windows and didn't
> > notice the awful problems you've been reporting, but again, it was just
> > some tweaks and code changes. I don't do most of my scripting under
> > Windows. I hope this gets fixed.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Curry Kenworthy
> >>
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Re: mousemove doesn't recognize "shiftkey is down", but only under Windows

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

VMWare is about $70 I think.

there's a free trial
<https://store.vmware.com/store?Action=html&Env=BASE&Locale=en_US&SiteID=vmware&pbPage=Fusion-FusionPro-LandingPage&cid=7013401YWs5&src=ps_5ba283a1931cc&kw=vmware%20for%20mac&mt=e&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=GS_eBiz_Lead_AMS_US_EN_BR_E_Fusion&k_clickid=25b2255b-0a99-49e4-8991-913e41bdcb07&gclid=Cj0KCQjwi8fdBRCVARIsAEkDvnKZb-Ni4sT_8QFKPjVn48uFf5h7QXP42HLydgQviD18SpuRq0znejgaArl6EALw_wcB>



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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm only using Parallels, so I don't know the answer to that.
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:47 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Does the same thing happen with VMware?
> >
> > not that I have any plans to develop anything in Windows.
> > --
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> > mixstream.org
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:16 PM Howard Bornstein via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I just wanted to mention that the problem detecting the shift-key being
> > > down seems to be entirely an issue with Parallels. My test, running
> under
> > > Windows 10 on a real PC had no trouble with my code that was looking
> for
> > > the shift-key being down. I'm glad to see this problem wasn't within
> > > LiveCode. There are so many layers where something can go wrong, it can
> > be
> > > a challenge identifying exactly where the problem is happening. It must
> > be
> > > a pretty specific issue with Parallels that only manifests by ignoring
> > the
> > > shift key.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:02 PM Howard Bornstein <
> > bornst...@designeq.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 10:50 PM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Howard:
> > > >>
> > > >>  > All my test show that for the Shift key and the Option key, when
> > > >>  > called within a mousemove handler, it doesn't register that the
> > > >>  > keys are down unless the mouse button is clicked first.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Howard, I tested your code verbatim in the card script of a new
> > stack
> > > >> in LC 901 on native Windows 10 with a real PC laptop, Dell Intel i5.
> > > >>
> > > >> It works fine here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for testing this out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I also noticed that since "shiftkey" only has two
> > > >> states, you don't really need to test it twice; you could cut out
> the
> > > >> second "if" statement. In fact, this yields similar results:
> > > >>
> > > >> on mousemove x,y
> > > >>   put x,y && the shiftkey
> > > >> end mousemove
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Lol. Yeah, I wasn't trying for elegance. I was making sure the code
> and
> > > > results were absolutely clear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> So, despite the very significant issues that LC 9 has on real
> Windows,
> > > >> including a barely-usable script editor, it seems likely that this
> is
> > > >> not one of them. That's good news! But obviously you do have a
> > problem.
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you tested your code in a brand new empty stack in a fresh and
> > > >> unmodded instance of LC, no extra plugins or scripts running? If so,
> > if
> > > >> it's just Parallels, I have to say that virtual Windows isn't quite
> > the
> > > >> same. Well, I guess an Intel Mac sporting a GUI that contradicts
> much
> > of
> > > >> Apple's original research isn't quite the same either; I'm a big
> > > >> original Mac guy! :) But some details are different. That's why I
> > always
> > > >> use real Mac and real Windows.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I have friend with a real Windows machine that will test the code of
> > the
> &

Re: Reading PDF Form Data in LiveCode?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

before wheel invention it might be prudent to see how the existing apps do
this.
especially if this is a one shot.

https://pdf.wondershare.com/top-pdf-software/free-pdf-to-csv-converter.html
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On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:45 AM Peter Reid via use-livecode <
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> Does anyone have any code or suggestions for reading the data from PDF
> forms? I have several hundred form fields in 5 different design forms in
> PDF format that I need to extract. The data is mainly text fields but may
> include a few checkboxes and radio buttons. Any thoughts please?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
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Re: LiveCoders from London, lets meet!

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Andre - If I were ANYWHERE in the EU I would love the opportunity to meet
up with you anytime!
but I'm stuck in (a nice part of) Trumpland
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:20 AM JJS via use-livecode <
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> I have to go with a boat then few hours
>
> So i'll stay home and get a beer from my fridge
>
>
> Op 9-11-2018 om 18:44 schreef Keith Clarke via use-livecode:
> > Andre, I’m based near London and would be happy to meet in Town & buy
> you a beer. :-)
> > Best,
> > Keith
> >
> >> On 9 Nov 2018, at 17:04, Andre Alves Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Friends,
> >>
> >> Who here is from London or nearby and would be interested in regular
> meetups? We could meet once a month or so in a pub or quieter setting. I am
> thinking of informal meet & drink, chatting.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> andre
> >>
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Re: file: vs bibfile: usage?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

yeah I re-discovered (and paid second license for) BBEdit. They were the
first programmer's editor on mac, although I was partial to TEX-edit, which
had some cool text features nobody else had... like ways of identifying
mystery invisible characters.  I haven't tried it in years, I wonder about
it's handling of Unicode.
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On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:17 AM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On a mac, BBEdit or its older cousin TextWrangler will preserve line
> endings. It just works. You can also easily change endings with a pull-down
> menu. That stoppedl me from whining about the price. They also have good
> tech support.
> .Jerry
>
> > On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is a perennial problem. My personal opinion is that unless a user
> explicitly wants to alter the line endings in a file, no assumptions should
> be made by the developer in this regard. A classic example (at least for
> me) is working with files exported from copiers. Let's say I want to export
> the email addresses from a Toshiba copier, edit them in a spreadsheet, then
> re-import them back into the copier. Simply OPENING the text file, in
> TextEdit or Word on a Mac OS will convert the line endings to the Mac
> defaults, EVEN IF I DO NOT SAVE THE FILE!!! Now the Toshiba copier will
> reject the file because it is expecting line feeds and it has CRLFs
> instead. So I have to edit these files in a Windows VM or I break them.
> >
> > Bob S
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Re: Strip XMP Packet from the end of binary image data

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

And replaced with?

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 12:19 Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>  > Copy text from an OCR'd PDF sometime and paste it into a Livecode
>  > field. You may find the number of characters is more than are visible.
>
> Reason #233 why PDF must die. ;)
>
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Re: sms,MMS, and Push Notificstions

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If I were to create an emergency alert app, I'd make something that stayed
alive and was always verifying the existence of a central entity - web
site, server etc. and the fail safe is that the user would be alerted when
out of range.   An 'always on' executable that would have to be carefully
crafted to not take up too much battery energy, yet ping headquarters for a
change every few seconds, then go into alert mode when the latest check
reveals the emergency.

It would be part of the routine of the wearer (fireman, whatever) to 'check
in' with the server and verify correct operation, then just keep it running
all day. The data would be minimal and UDP packets have incredibly low
latency - even a voice alert could be sent real time - VOIP.

I have no idea how the power usage would be handled in that case - the
continuous  pinging could drain the battery too quickly depending on how
it's done. But there is the challenge!

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:25 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks. Looks interesting. It also looks like I'd have to learn a lot to
> get it implemented. I’ve been using cURL to access an API for water meter
> readings, and it’s painful, but would probably get easier.
>
> This looks like a good provider, tho.
> Best,
> Bill P
>
> > On Aug 14, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Simon Smith via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would look at push notifications. onesignal.com looks quiet good, just
> > not had a chance to play with it yet.
> >
> > I have found that SMS messages are too unreliable when it comes to
> > emergency notifications, sometimes they come through, sometimes they
> don't
> > and sometimes they come through an hour or so later.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > Carpe diem
> >
> > *Simon Smith*
> > m. +27 83 306 7862
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 9:19 PM, ELS prothero via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I’m curious. Has anybody done much with push notifications on mobile?
> >> There is a lesson on the livecode web site which is quite detailed, but
> >> leaves out the server side of the equation. I have been thinking about
> an
> >> emergency alert app and am exploring how difficult it would be to
> implement
> >> various communication technologies. Texts seem pretty straighforward,
> but I
> >> was thinking that push notifications might get more attention.
> >>
> >> The goal is to get the information to the recipient’s brain. It can get
> to
> >> the device, but unless the last (weak link) is traversed, the alert is
> >> ineffective. The target time for this is 15 minutes.
> >>
> >> I’ve Googled the heck out of these topics and there are really nice
> >> expensive services that can do the job, but we don’t want to pay the
> high
> >> fees. Others are marketing oriented, not optimized for emergency
> services.
> >> A custom app could be ideal, especially with increasing wildfire
> activity
> >> worldwide.
> >>
> >> Ideas and info?
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> William Prothero, PhD
> >> Professor Emeritus
> >> University of California, Santa Barbara
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
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Re: Sending a message to users that floats above everything

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the Android world creeps me out. And those phones always seem to break.

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On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:57 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> I did roll my own but it isn't possible to get it quite right. It's called
> a "toast" because it pops up/slides up from the bottom of the screen and
> then slides back down again. Doing it in LCS requires visual effects which
> break the effect if there is anything under the sliding area; everything in
> that rectangle animates. The hack can only be used on a blank area of the
> card.
>
> A native toast is required, with the added benefit that it really does
> display on top of everything else without any layer-adjustments.
>
> BTW, if you're interested in Android terminology, a toast-like message
> that reaches from edge to edge on the screen is called a "snackbar". Go
> figure. Snackbars are like toasts except that they are dismissed by swiping
> and can provide buttons for user interaction.
>
>
> On 8/22/17 12:49 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Oooh I was thinking about toasting... err rolling my own!
>>
>> On 2017-08-22 17:10, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
 Educate me, what is toast?

>>>
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Re: Query Input Form

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Using a data grid? Or a chain of pop-ups selectors?

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> Has anyone put together a query input form, that can take simple input
> from a user, like:
> customers.customername is/is not/is greater than/is less than/is like
>  AND/OR
>  AND/OR
>  ...
>
> and then build an sql query for it?
>
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Re: How to meet an integer

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I never met an integer I didn't like.

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> you..one?
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:12 PM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> > > JLG wrote:
> > > Until I met my husband, ALL my dates were zeros.
> >
> > You won.
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Re: The coming of SVG

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Universal Image Object
uni-Image
imagePak
UIO
imageBlob
imagepack
imageContainer

quicktime... (oh, wait..)


how about imageData

... has been used yes but base the 'thing' on that ...add the options

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> At least historically, paintings were bitmapped, not vector (think MacPaint
> vs. MacDraw)
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:40 PM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
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> > Look forward to the first release of .
> >
> > For the name, what about "painting"?
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Re: The coming of SVG

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How about just plain vector?

Or is that a parameter?
On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 13:04 sphere via use-livecode <
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> I agree with Rick and Jacque.
> Something combined with SVG or vector-image is better.
> Anyone working with images knows (or learns very fast) what svg's are.
> Picture is to much linked to Photo (for me it is the same), if you take a
> picture the result is a photo.
> I would not think for picture at all if i was looking for svg
>
> and i disagree on the word FRAME as FRAME is part of video and movie
> that would make totall confusion
>
> a few suggestions:
> Figure
> Drawing
> Form
> Illustration
> Model
> Reflection
> Replica
> Carbon
> Simulacre
> Similitude
> Representatio
> Appearance
> Semblance
> Shape
> Illiusion
> Vision
> Visualisation
> Envision
> Impression
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Re: The coming of SVG

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Well,  the word vector is not to be found anywhere in the dictionary.

*vectorImage*  (we already have newImage and deleteImage messages, and
several properties begin with *image*

*imageVector*  (we already have imageSource imageData and imagePixmapID

*vectorRender*

somehow function and command names look far more important in a classic
boldface serif font.

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> I have a feeling the name should be one word, probably in camel format,
> so that has to be
>
> vectorSomethingOrOther
>
> shartened, presumably, to vSOO
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 7/11/17 5:31 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> +1 for vector something or other.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 15:35 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about just plain vector?
>>>
>>> Or is that a parameter?
>>>
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Re: sync LC applications

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On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 13:15 Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
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> Hi Paolo and Jim,
>
> I always turn off all notifications on all of my devices.
> I hate notifications because they consume my device
> batteries with their constant polling.
>

 I sure would like to know that.
Is there some kind of wire shark like application for the phone?



> The image should only be changed in the application
> when the user uses that application.  Only check for
> image updates at the website when they try to use
> the application.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rick
>
> > On Nov 16, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Paolo wrote:
> >
> >> what?s the best way to sync several  LC applications installed on many
> different devices?
> >> For example, consider having 100 smartphones connected to internet
> running the same LC application, how can I send a signal/command so that an
> image shows up  at the same time in every smatphone?
> >> AFAIK a solution is to set up a text file in a web server and let the
> app installed in each device to check (every second)  if any change occour
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Using open process instead of shell

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Hi gang, I need a little help here.

I am creating a Macintosh app on the desktop for my own use.
 I am making an archive of all the "Spirit of K JAZ"   shows by the late
Jerry Dean.After the terrestrial radio station went off the air,  he
and fellow air mate Stan Dunn started streaming the shows on the net for
most of the 2000 decade.  There are over 800  1-hour shows in this
collection.
 After archiving the first 200 shows,  I quickly tired of using individual
apps to do the separate steps of photographing the cover, putting in
folder, and transferring the data, while keeping the same file name for all
of them.   So I created a stack which controls several  command line
executables

 I have three executable binaries that I  call from this app.

imagesnap
ffmpeg
SOX

All of the commands work great by using the shell command in LC, except for
the fact that my app waits until some of the commands have finished.
In the case of one of them  for example, it is importing a audio file from
a CD, and turning it into a wave file using *ffmpeg*.

./ffmpeg -i '/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aiff'
'/Users/stephenbarncard/Desktop/img/20171113_LIVE_ON_MARz.wav'


[ above  command on one line ]


This takes up to 10 minutes to copy for a 60 minute CD.
​
​The  ./​  at the beginning is the only difference between what I was
saying in my shell call from LC  and what works in Terminal.

The executables live directly adjacent to the live code stack, to simplify
addressing.   I got about this far with my coding, reading stuff from
forums and the dictionary, but I just can't seem to put the right words
together.

pData  is the command that works from the shell.

on executeProcess pData

put whereAmI() into a; set the defaultFolder to a

get "file:xprocess.bat"

put pData into URL it

open process  "file:xprocess.bat"  for text write

etc..

close executeProcess


​ Does someone out there have a clear example of what I am looking for,
using a UNIX  executable  through *open process​ *?

1.call the function  with parameters
2. allow livecode scripts to continue
3. continuously monitor and display data returned by that function


 thank you all so much for any and all information,

And a happy  non-sectarian Christmas to everyone!









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Re: Using open process instead of shell

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Thank you very much,

 great ideas from Mark Wieder, Mike Bonner, Warren Samples

 I will be working with these  suggestions for the next couple of days and
 report back to you guys.

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On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Warren Samples via use-livecode <
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> On 12/24/2017 04:05 PM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> All of the commands work great by using the shell command in LC, except
>> for
>> the fact that my app waits until some of the commands have finished.
>>
>
>
> If your concern is bypassing the blocking nature of shell(), then you
> should be aware that there are methods which detach a process from the
> shell after opening it and these can be used in LiveCode shell() to make it
> non-blocking.
>
> For example:
>
> get shell ("nohup mycommand --some-params 'can use single quotes to escape
> if necessary' &")
>
> here the command is prefaced with the 'nohup' and a space and is closed
> with a space and &
>
>
> There are several variations for redirecting to /dev/null which also work
> to make the shell() non-blocking. Here's an example:
>
> get shell ("mycommand --some-params 'can use single quotes to escape if
> necessary' /dev/null &")
>
>
> This doesn't respond to your direct question about "open process" but it
> *may* be a straightforward way to resolve the issue that has caused you to
> inquire.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Warren
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Re: Using open process instead of shell

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>
>
>  great ideas from Mark Wieder, Mike Bonner, Warren Samples
>
>
​And Glen Bojsza  ! Thanks guys!​
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Re: OT: system recommendation

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This is really the wrong place.You can find out all you need on YouTube
videos.
However, due to my own experience, I would consider only a very recent
Macintosh system To work with 4K video. They provide the best bang for the
buck over any PC.  The video “card” is an Integral part of the computer and
system.
Also your friend really needs to figure out which editing program he’s
going to use FIRST and there are many... by the way, final cut Pro X for
the Mac is what I would suggest.   It’s the best deal at $300

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> Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
> tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).
>
> My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
> the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.
>
> After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or something
> else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
> choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device and a
> single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)
>
> I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
> know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
>
> Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?
>
> Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash one
> wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
> less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
> view output.
>
> Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
> and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as say
> a RED quality camera.
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
> recommendations to my friend.
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Re: Externally reffed-off

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We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
afraid to ask

 thanks for being here,  grumpy or not

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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
>> its not able to count items.
>>
>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
>> which
>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <

>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
 And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
 specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

>>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>>>
>>> Richmond.

>>> Best
>>>
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Re: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%

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Richmond, now you're just grumbling.

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On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> over-jargonised language.
>
> I am 100% sure that what that page actually covers up is fairly straight
> forward.
>
> I just had a look at Danny Goodman's "The Complete HyperCard 2.2" and
> realised
> that its 1144 pages could be "boiled down" to about 200: one of the many
> reasons
> why I have never managed to read more than a page at a go.
>
> My wife and I have been reading through Plato's Republic recently: now
> there's
> a book that is easy to read, contains a lot of sense, and is still valid
> about 2,500
> years after it was written.
>
> People who write programming guides should attend writing seminars first
> and
> be required to read texts that say what they have to say in a clear way
> that does
> not obfuscate everything with fancy words and obscure phrases.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 10:02 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just age… or whatever.
>>
>> But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do
>> something in HTML5"
>>
>> I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.
>>
>> https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html
>>
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Re: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?

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You should see what happens with three monitors on version 9

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> I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
> misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
> to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
> the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
> the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
> high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
> the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.
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Re: deploying to multiple mobile devices

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I built one of those years ago, based on Ken Ray's stackrunner.rev.
Even datagrids can be accommodated.

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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>
> > On 17 January 2018 at 12:38, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> >> > Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to
> >> > deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20
> >> > students (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the
> >> > end-user, and (3) as simultaneously as possible.
> >>
> >> Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others
> >> to use in their own classrooms?
> >
> > Directly.
>
> I'm thinking don't even bother making standalones for every stack.  It
> just complicates installation and replicates the storage overhead of
> attaching the same engine to each one.
>
> Instead, you could make one app that can download and run stack files from
> a server.  Easy enough, and with just one extra step you can use LC's
> built-in compression for even faster transfer.
>
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this session has lapsed?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

My copy of LC 7.14 was installed activated days ago. Why am I getting "this
session has lapsed" messages, refusing to let me go on?
does this mean that LC "phones home" every time I start the app??
Unacceptable, disturbing and annoying.

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Re: uh oh. Have to reactivate every LC and the activation server is down?

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this should not happen once authorized, connected or not.

sqb

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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
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> well that worked
>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Before I’ve heard that you can disconnect internet to launch. Once
> running,
> > you can turn the internet connection back on.
> > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:02 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Something bad happened.  I can't seem to get any copy of LC of any
> > version
> > > to just launch.  All of them want to be activated, and the activation
> > > server doesn't like me, either.  Anyone else?
> > >
> > > --
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Re: this session has lapsed?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

disconnecting the net allowed things to work.
But why should this happen at all?
I'd turned off "check for updates" for a long time as I run into issues
upgrading to and using 8 or 9 due to my use of three screens.


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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
> > My copy of LC 7.14 was installed activated days ago. Why am I getting
> > "this session has lapsed" messages, refusing to let me go on?
> > does this mean that LC "phones home" every time I start the app??
> > Unacceptable, disturbing and annoying.
>
> I don't know if this is related to that specific notice, but you can turn
> off the "Check for updates" features in the "Updates" pane of the
> "Preferences" window.
>
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Re: this session has lapsed?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

subscriptions ending shouldn't kill a long installed app, no matter what
the status.
I've been told that the subscriptions are for updates and support.
If that's not true, I need to know.

sqb

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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
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>
>
> > On 6 Feb 2018, at 12:47 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can't say.  Hopefully someone from the mother ship will chime in on this.
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Yes I believe that there is random check for license expiry/update. Things
> like cancelled subscriptions happen and this accounts for that. I don’t
> know the complete details though.
>
> It appears a wordpress update broke some things and it is in the midst of
> being fixed.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: this session has lapsed?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I don't need to ask again. What I said is what I heard from Heather.

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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:02 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
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>
> > On 6 Feb 2018, at 1:00 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > subscriptions ending shouldn't kill a long installed app, no matter what
> > the status.
> > I've been told that the subscriptions are for updates and support.
> > If that's not true, I need to know.
>
> Probably best to take up any licensing questions with supp...@livecode.com
> <mailto:supp...@livecode.com>
>
> Cheers
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Re: any tricks to make SHELL non blocking?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

seriously, back on topic...
on mac -- El Capitan
calling shell
I have this open sourced app

ffmpeg

and I need to copy the first file from a CD, convert it to a wav file, name
it, and save it to a file on a hard drive.
(the executable is located in the same folder as the stack, hence the ./ )
so my generated command used with the shell command is:

*./ffmpeg -i '/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aiff' '/Volumes/20160518 KJAZ
ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20040315-2-JD0211b.wav'*

this works fine, LC just doesn't return control until it's fully imported
the file off of the CD.
I just want to keep a simple counter going during the file import.

I've tried these variations below without success. It's true, I get screwed
by syntax and quotes all the time, but I still have not found why these
won't work. Sometimes these will copy the file, but does not release until
done.

./ffmpeg -i "/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aif" "/Volumes/20160518 KJAZ
ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20180204 TEST1.wav &"

./ffmpeg -i "/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aif" "/Volumes/20160518 KJAZ
ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20180204 TEST1.wav" &

(./ffmpeg -i '/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aiff' '/Volumes/20160518 KJAZ
ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20040315-2-JD0211b.wav' &)

thanks for any suggestions... you guys rock.

sqb







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> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
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>
> > On 02/05/2018 12:02 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > disintegrated (and so did that plumber).
> >>
> >
> > !!!
> >
> >
> *shrug*
>
> So I'm a vengeful homeowner.
>
> :)
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Re: any tricks to make SHELL non blocking?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Mike Bonner:  I'll try the Open Process suggestion you made - again with
more syntax variations this time. thanks!

Dr Hawkins - I don't have control over the name of the CD source file..

1 Audio Track.aiff

the OS demuxes the data on the CD and gives them generic names.
surely there must be a way to encapsulate URL strings properly to use
spaces and hyphens.  Do I have to add the escapes manually using lookups
and exceptions?

the folder names are no big deal to fix, but I've got a library of hundreds
of shows where I already use hyphens and have been successfully imported..

Dr Hawkins:  when you say "escape spaces" do you mean something like

\%20

or

\[actual space char]

  ?

I only care about this working on Macs, by the way.
This is just an ugly thing that saves me time in a huge archive project.
The UI sucks, but it's all just for me.
This "app" I've created allows me to save keystrokes in the process of:

0. assign a name to the performance, type in a field (I avoid spaces but
there are hyphens - I could use underscores I guess but they look so ugly -
perhaps I can 'get away' with those on a mac.
1. taking a picture of the CD, cover and contents and saving as a file
 (using oss imagesnap and a webcam)
 (I would have used a flatbed scanner but I couldn't find a useable oss
executable and scanning and loading is slower )
2. importing the first CD file after it is inserted, converting it to WAV
from AIF, and saving it with with the chosen name. (using ffmpeg)
3. create a folder with the chosen names and put the like named files (
with .png and .wav suffixes ) in that folder. (using Livecode)

metadata (like song titles) could be put into a .txt file in that folder
later. I plan a bot that will send samples to a Grace Note like service to
harvest song titles.

My idea is that the file structure and meta ARE the database and a data
listing could be created from that structure 'just in time'. This is
important in an archive that is rapidly getting added to or changed (like
filenames !!) and makes more sense to me that having to enter and update a
separate database. The archive is limited enough in items that speed is not
an issue.

this has taken the process from taking three separate apps (including the
dreaded iTunes and Photobooth?? ) and dozens of clicks, cut and paste names
etc.) and lots of typing to a single entity where I only have to enter that
name ONCE. And iTunes import and convert took 10 minutes for a 60 minute
piece - whereas ffmpeg takes only 2:15.   I can do a turnaround within 4
minutes now.

thanks for the tip on quotes and backquotes.

but like I said, the commands do work when I don't try to  release control
to the calling script after the external executable is started.

The lack of being able to do this is NOT a show stopper. Livecode has been
able to let me create this monster kluge in very little development time
and it works.



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> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > (./ffmpeg -i '/Volumes/Audio CD/1 Audio Track.aiff' '/Volumes/20160518
> > KJAZ
> > > ARCHIVE MASTER/JULY - JAN 2017/20040315-2-JD0211b.wav' &)
> >
>
> double quotes cause evaluation (for shell variables?), back quote (`)
> causes contents to execute.  You seem to be using ', which is a literal.
>
> Oh, I see.
>
> You have *SPACES* in file names.
>
> This *ALWAYS* leads to suffering.
>
> Quoting a filename does not make it ok; it's still multiple words. If you
> want to keep such evil names, you'll have to escape those spaces with \
>  (backslash).
>
> A better idea is to get all the spaces out of filenames.  I only allow
> letters, dot, and underscore.
>
> You also have hyphens, which have meaning on some operating systems.
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.0

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Teleconferencing and working from home has changed these dynamics. At what
point does a teleconference with 5 people not 'look' like a "server" to the
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On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
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> It means that you probably have a 10/10 (up down) internet connection. You
> are getting the bandwidth reported, which is theoretically what is
> currently left after everything else currently sending and receiving on
> that link. If you don't have anything being served up, I'd be concerned
> about your up speed.
>
> Most residential internet services have in the contract that you will not
> use the connection for business purposes (at least in the US). That is why
> most residential services are asynchronous (not the same up speed as down
> speed). If you are not serving anything up to the internet, you don't need
> very much up bandwidth, and if you are not running a business, you
> shouldn't really be services anything up.
>
> HTH
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Apr 5, 2018, at 12:49 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
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> > Over 'here' in "naughty" Bulgaria where I have the cheapest internet
> package available
> > I found that LC 9.0 for Linux took 3 minutes to download . . . and that
> was absolutely fine.
> >
> > Ookla says that my download rate is 10.78 Mbps and my upload rate is
> 6.28 Mbps,
> > which is super because I don't understand what those magic numbers mean.
> >
> > Richmond.
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