Re: OT: Help with motivation
Odd... Not that I've ever done anything earth-shattering myself, but, about two years ago when in the midst of composing a rather long (for me) article on medieval genealogy, I'd take a few to do something *very* different. Sometimes just freeing myself from the burden of the moment and looking at something different helped me see something new or the same thing from a different vantage point. And so I do now... stumped by doing something in Rev (happens alot when you're me...)? Go back to researching some issue on my medieval person. Still stumped? Go bead something. Play with the new puppy. Observe my children trying to learn language (English, ASL bits of Spanish; a challent for me at least; an enjoyment for them). Sometimes, the burden of needing to do something in one arena was lifted by doing something positive or meaningful in another... and being successful. But then, it's almost 1 am my time... right now I am highly motivated to sleep, but it's not coming... hence my doing something else ;-) Judy On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Ro Nagey wrote: Gene Wolfe, the noted sf author, once told me something along the lines of: If you can get started, turn off the TV. Turn off the radio. Don't read the mail. Don't open a book. You can go for a walk. Sooner or later, you will start writing This has worked well for me - of course, I've updated it to include Don't turn on the computer ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: One of the things I found counterproductive about day jobs I've had is how short their siesta, and how non-existing their napping facililities. --Yuppers! This is true even, if not especially, of in-home day (at day OR night) jobs... @;-) Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
Great replies from all...I would have never thought that Andre or Richard Gaskin ever need motivation. ;-) Sometimes I go to the kitchen and start peeling garlic, after doing that I need something to go with the garlic...I might get out the flour and eggs, sheep cheese and start making raviolis. Then I have to get dressed and go get a bottle of wine to go with the food...then I always make too many so I have to call up a friend to share the food. One thing generally leads to another...get out the garlic and start peeling, you never know where it might lead. Little steps. With my current project I am keeping a tour book of Rome on my desk, when I am at the half way point in the project I am going to go to Roma eat more raviolis! ;-) All the motivation I need! sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Framework for games...
I intend to learn more about Dreamcard by coding some games and so on. I am not sure about the general framework you would use with a setup like this though. Normally you end up with a main loop which runs continuously, until you quit out of it, and lots of methods/subroutines which do all the hard work and are called by the main loop or as a consequence of it at some point. Any tips on the best way to set up a general framework, or any other hints or pointers would be muchly appreciated. Regards Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
pasting text from clipboard
Hello, I have come across a strange occurance when pasting text from the clipboard of Win XP to a field in Rev. The text is pasted with a much larger font size than the properties of the field, also it doesn't change when you try setting the text size of the field after pasting the text. The field is set to font type: Tahoma with font size:11, when pasting the text looks more like size 16+, this obviously screws up the line height aswell. This really messes with the look of things, does anyone know of a solution? Cheers Dwayne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: pasting text from clipboard
i wrote a bugzilla about this... There's more than one clipboard problem in Rev... In there cases, just try to put the clipboarddata into your field instead of the usual paste. But you will loose all the styles... -=- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 4656 43 6465 Fax: +352 4656 493 6465 Dwayne Rothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23.02.2005 10:43 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com cc: (bcc: Xavier Bury/CLEARSTREAM/GDB) Subject:pasting text from clipboard . Hello, I have come across a strange occurance when pasting text from the clipboard of Win XP to a field in Rev. The text is pasted with a much larger font size than the properties of the field, also it doesn't change when you try setting the text size of the field after pasting the text. The field is set to font type: Tahoma with font size:11, when pasting the text looks more like size 16+, this obviously screws up the line height aswell. This really messes with the look of things, does anyone know of a solution? Cheers Dwayne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Framework for games...
There's a lot of game frameworks for 2D, 3D games out there. I suggest starting with a simple loop and evolving it to make your game. Start with the simple loop with a question. Win or Loose. Then extend it to add scores, replays, bonuses, etc... One place to start is http://www.gameai.com/ Check out their links about game development... Most of them can be ported to Transcript with minor changes. Except for the 3D stuff of course. cheers Xavier On 22.02.2005 12:38:29 use-revolution-bounces wrote: I intend to learn more about Dreamcard by coding some games and so on. I am not sure about the general framework you would use with a setup like this though. Normally you end up with a main loop which runs continuously, until you quit out of it, and lots of methods/subroutines which do all the hard work and are called by the main loop or as a consequence of it at some point. Any tips on the best way to set up a general framework, or any other hints or pointers would be muchly appreciated. Regards Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
On 22 Feb 2005, at 23:29, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have been having problems getting myself motivated. I have a possible customer for a few ideas I have and he said as soon as I'm ready that he will try and sell them for me. I even have a lot of ideas for this project. But I can't seem to get started. I have been sitting here for weeks reading this list every day and opening up REV but still can't start. If you're like me, I find that in these situations, any kind of methodical planning isn't going to work. As a student, this was described to me as Cuthbert's paradox , in which your objectives depend on the methods of implementation, and the methods of implementation depend on the objective. In other words, You don't know what you want until you know how to get it, and you don't know how to get it until you know what you want. The solution, we were told, was modelled around psychoanalytic techniques. But basically it involves piddling around till everything becomes clear. The key is in finding efficient(ish) techniques of piddling around. On 22 Feb 2005, at 23:29, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Pick one tiny aspect of the project that doesn't involve anything that you don't already know how to do and just do that. Don't worry about the rest as it is daunting to face a large project where nothing has been done, so break it up and just do little bit by little bit. After a few tiny bits have been put together, it won't seem so difficult. I like this approach too. The way I usually do it is to create a new stack and put a row of say 5 buttons along the top and a blank field below. Then using the first button, I implement some function/feature that I think will probably have to be included in the project. (Getting data from the internet, parsing a particular kind of data structure, whatever.) I use the field to display any data as I go. I might add another field and use one for input and one for output. Then do something else with the second button, and so on. Add more buttons as required. When I'm bored with this, I'll make a second card, and start piddling around with some interface ideas. (Occasionally asking the questions, Who's going to use this? What will they expect to see?) When things get really grim, I go to the supermarket and think, Hey, working here wouldn't be too bad. Stocking shelves looks quite therapeutic. It takes some of the pressure away to know there are alternatives. :) Which all reminds me of a paper I read while a student. It was in a book of papers about Corporate and Strategic Planning. This was in the seventies when goal setting, systems analysis, problem definition, cybernetic modelling, cost-benefit analysis, platform shoes were cool. Amongst the heady sounding papers was one entitled The Art of Muddling Through. Not so much inspiring as reassuring. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 17, Issue 72
Hi Byron, Le 23 févr. 05, à 11:07, Byron Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I've been experimenting drag and drop images (eric chatonet's wonderful demo). When I drag an image in, clips a portion of any window that's open over the image area or a portion of the Rev window where the image resides. These bits are added to the image as if they were always a unit. I saw nothing in this regards at bugzilla so does anyone know if its even possible to have an error like this in the script? The method used in this stack to create optimized images uses export snapshot command... that exports a snapshot of the screen from the rect of an image. Other windows may overlap the image and then appear on the snapshot :-( That's a correct behaviour: see export snapshot command in the docs. Sure you can watch easily for other rev windows overlapping the image and smoothly move them first. For desktop and other apps windows, I think using shell commands would be doable to mask them first and show them again when the process is finished but I don't know which ones. I'm sure there are revers on this list who will tell us the trick :-) Bets regards, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multimédia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la french touch For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone 33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile 33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Framework for games...
Ian Leigh wrote: I intend to learn more about Dreamcard by coding some games and so on. I am not sure about the general framework you would use with a setup like this though. Normally you end up with a main loop which runs continuously, until you quit out of it, and lots of methods/subroutines which do all the hard work and are called by the main loop or as a consequence of it at some point. Any tips on the best way to set up a general framework, or any other hints or pointers would be muchly appreciated. One thing to remember is that in Dreamcard, *most* of the main loop is already provided in infrastructure and in the event-driven nature of Dreamcard. So although you will likely implement some kind of a loop, it will probably not be an explicit loop control structure in your code. Of course, a lot depends on the kind of game, but often you'll have - a start (new game) button (or menu) which gets the game started, starts up some timers and starts the actions going - the timers control other events, including running out of time - button within the game to stop/abandon the play - circumstances that you recognize as then end of the play Then at the end of the play you stop all timers and actions, give (or if it's good, store) the score, etc. And when the user is ready to start another game - he clicks on your start button. So no obvious loop around the game play. And within the play, everything is likely to be driven by the timers or by users actions ... (Maybe too obvious to say this . look at all of the games on RevOnline in the Games category, choose which one looks best to you, and be inspired by it i.e. borrow the code from it.) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Help with motivation
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:56:05 -0500, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello listers, I hope this is not too far off topic. I have been having problems getting myself motivated. I have a possible customer for a few ideas I have and he said as soon as I'm ready that he will try and sell them for me. I even have a lot of ideas for this project. But I can't seem to get started. I have been sitting here for weeks reading this list every day and opening up REV but still can't start. Any helpful ideas on how to jump start a project? I'm coming a bit late to this - I hope you agree that the quality of the advice you've had so far has been outstanding! My contribution is to say that I've also had much the same problem, particularly recently: I have a project that was going very well, with a (very tolerant) client waiting for me to finish, and I just went totally off the boil and did almost anything else - including moving house and having a major operation - to avoid getting back to work. I'm back in harness now, and I believe I know what started the block - I have a series of things I know I have to do, like my tax return, which like many people, I put off as long as possible (maybe I have 'tax return block', too). The effect of this is that my internal To Do list gets blocked in proportion to the attractiveness of the items on it. The great black monster of the tax return (or whatever) sits at the top of the list and challenges me: if you aren't going to deal with ME, then I'm going to make sure you feel so guilty that you won't deal with the things you actually want to do. So the block was caused by a couple of these 'must-do' monsters. I did all the going-for-a-walk things, cleared my head (this was after MONTHS of displacement behaviour) and tackled the monsters; and now I find I can work on RunRev again. What was wrong was that I like doing RunRev projects too much! Just my take on the thing. Hope your path gets clearer very soon now. Graham Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
Hi Tom, I use a whole range of different techniques depending on the circumstances. Being really effective and productive is something you have to make a priority and keep working on. The most important techniques for me: * Am I sure that I want to be doing this now? Is it really in my best interests, or is it better to be doing something else? A lack of motivation, if not explored, is quite often because there is some other task or project that is actually more important and more pressing. Be sure you know exactly what is the best thing to be doing next and prioritize. * Knowing for sure you should be doing that difficult task now is usually enough, you just get it done. However if you're still stuck, just get started with the aim of doing 15 minutes on it. Remember, with a difficult task, motivation for the task comes *after* you get started, not before. As you get into it, your motivation starts to kick in. Usually you can work longer once you get into it. * If your mind is not clear or you are under particular pressure: http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050209_under_pressure.html Then the last thing you need is TV, or any other activity that stimulates your over stimulated mind. A clear, uncluttered, fresh mind is what you want. The easiest and most reliable method I've found for attaining that is to go meditate for 15-30 minutes. Its like having a nap but more effective, clears your head, leaves you fresh and ready to get started. A great book on meditation is Meditation for Dummies. * If you find yourself surfing the web or working on some more exciting project than the one you have determined needs to be doing next, stop yourself as soon as you become aware of it. Your mind is capable of finding all kinds of ways to procrastinate, particularly if you've been working for 15 hours and the last task of the day isn't much fun. Be aware of the consequences of not completing the deadline - e.g. that the time wasted will have to come from somewhere, so would you really prefer to be surfing the net than going out for a drink with your friends or family later? Not only that, but the time you take out will feel better if you've completed everything you intended for the day. There are loads of other techniques that are important, like taking breaks, taking days off, eating well, rewarding yourself when you complete a difficult task - even if you have other things to do, managing your energy levels, rotating difficult and easy tasks, breaking tasks down into small chunks, delegating, saying no when you can't do something, creating deadlines for all tasks, meeting internal deadlines with the same commitment as external ones...but without going into detail, right now I know there are other things I know I need to be doing ;) Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
On 23/2/05 4:00 am, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was evaluating Revolution previously, I remember seeing a tutorial section under help. I couldn't seem to find it in the 2.5 version, so I just ordered Dan's book : ) Somehow the Getting Started stuff fell out of v2.5 -- not sure how that happened, but I'm sure they're rushing an update which will restore that critical missing element. Actually, there is lots of new Getting Started material in v2.5. Its in the Learning Center, within revOnline. You'll find video and PDF guides that teach the key aspects of the product you need to know, as well as 10 fully commented and documented Sample Projects to take apart and learn from, and 50 Sample Scripts. You can also find the Video / PDF guides on our web site at: http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
Whenever I learn a new language I read the Language Guide cover to cover. Well, that's a lie -- what I really do is skim it. But even just skimming will give you the lay of the land, and you'd be surprised how much you'll retain from that. Wait - there's a Language Guide? Where the heck is that? I was asking about that (or thought I was, under the dark influence of DayQuil) several days ago, and got (nearly) laughed at by someone on this list. So there ARE manuals? I don't care if they are in PDF, but really - there ARE manuals? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making Wells: Whose Control Is It Anyway?
Rev Users - I have to say I'm a little jealous ... a posting headed OT: Help with motivation gives rise to a thread of over 20 messages, and I can't even get a little nibble with an actual scripting question here [see below]. (Not meaning to annoy anyone, really, just asking you to put your programming hats on and give a relative novice some advice...) If I'm unclear in my description, of course I'd be happy to clarify. Thanks! - gjb On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Jerry Balzano wrote: While I have the precious time and attention of those (many) who are more expert in Rev than I: I'm still struggling with what looks like the inelegance of my solution to a kind of pseudo dragging-and-dropping of these groups. Here's the situation: say the user is dragging a green group. Other grouped controls on the card have green slots (actually fields with different text color) that need to signal that they will accept the drop of the green group, which they do by hiliting their border (actually turning off their threeD property temporarily). Since I have an object attached to my cursor (the green group I'm dragging), no handlers in the other controls on the card will get triggered (right?), so I seem to have no choice but to iterate over the controls, and do a test inside the original green-group handler (or gasp inside an idle handler) like if the mouseLoc is within the rect of control i then set the threeD of control i to false I foresee this solution scaling badly as the number of controls on the card increases. But I don't at the moment see a better one. Is there? Thanks again to listmembers for sharing your expertise with me, Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: pasting text from clipboard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You could also trap the paste request somehow and execute something like this (untested code): paste set the textSize of char 1 to (the number of chars in field Field) of field Field to empty On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wrote a bugzilla about this... There's more than one clipboard problem in Rev... In there cases, just try to put the clipboarddata into your field instead of the usual paste. But you will loose all the styles... -=- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 4656 43 6465 Fax: +352 4656 493 6465 Dwayne Rothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23.02.2005 10:43 Please respond to How to use Revolution To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com cc: (bcc: Xavier Bury/CLEARSTREAM/GDB) Subject:pasting text from clipboard . Hello, I have come across a strange occurance when pasting text from the clipboard of Win XP to a field in Rev. The text is pasted with a much larger font size than the properties of the field, also it doesn't change when you try setting the text size of the field after pasting the text. The field is set to font type: Tahoma with font size:11, when pasting the text looks more like size 16+, this obviously screws up the line height aswell. This really messes with the look of things, does anyone know of a solution? Cheers Dwayne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHKKQ7aqtWrR9cZoRAunwAJoDulVSrV7GE5LeZ7NBjHKwrRc10QCggM6s dd9Owcy+gWvgJcgL1bNIQNg= =T9Tp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
I have exactly the same problem - it sometimes takes me days or weeks to really get going on a project. When I'm designing databases or forms days can pass with nothing happening. In College I had the same problem - I just could not get into studying for an exam. Ultimately what I discovered is that inside me there is something intuitive that needs panic, disaster, mayhem, and impending doom to focus. There's something strangely calming about it. Maybe that's why I'm a volunteer firefighter, too. You too may have an intuitive clock that isn't wound yet for this project. In College and Grad school I ultimately gave up and resorted to a novel study technique I call the one-hour-cram. It didn't matter if it was Quantum Physics or Probability or Marketing. I started cramming the moment I felt like I couldn't put it off any longer and went full-tilt until the moment the exam hit my desk. My grades were never better, and I got a lot more sleep and played a lot more golf. Good luck. Speaking of which, I've got some environmental reports due March 1 that I really should get started on. Screw it. I've got days yet. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT: Help with motivation
Hi David... What finally worked for you regarding Windows printing? Regarding finding ideas - I encountered this issue frequently when I was a producer at CNN. Basically, how do you become inspired when the inspiration is not forthcoming on its own? I used to teach new producers a few simple techniques for finding story ideas, so perhaps I can adapt them to finding programming ideas. 1) Read, read, read - In news, read all the wire reports and magazine articles in your field of interest. So, in programming, read lots of articles on the topics you find interesting. I don't mean that you need to read lots of articles on programming. Programs are meant to be used in dealing with aspects of our lives. I am suggesting that you read lots of articles on things in life that you find interesting, and then ask yourself Is there some sort of way I can apply programming to this topic? 2) Concept associations - get a dictionary or almanac and randomly open it to different pages. When you read the items on that page, ask yourself if that item can be linked to a topic you find interesting. It may take a few tries (or a few hundred) before you hit on something you find exciting, but eventually it will work. 3) Chaotically brainstorm with others - because people often do not understand each other very well, we often misinterpret an idea that is being shared. These misinterpretations can be useful, because they are actually a new idea unto themselves. Once you get that new idea, talk it over to see if it has merit. Even if it does not have merit, the process of talking it over will produce other ideas. If you find that your communication with your brainstorming partner is working too well - that is, everything is making sense and no radically new ideas are coming from it - then try brainstorming with your brainstorming partner at a bar. I find that alcohol makes everything less logical :) 4) Use a random sentence generator - I like this one: http://www.members.aol.com/clabrack/rsg/ - Most of the sentences are foolish, but they are fun and might give you ideas if you let your mind run free while reading them. For instance, the sentence Police wouldn't self-flagellate for a pimp might inspire you to write brothel management software! Well, let's hope it doesn't, but you get the idea. 5) Be observant - Ask yourself What needs to be improved in my life? - The odds are that if you can create something that improves your life, it will be of benefit to someone else as well. Don't just ask yourself that question once and then drop it. Instead, hold that question in the back of your mind as you go about your daily life. I could also suggest some meditative techniques for finding intellectual inspiration, but I would rather do so off-list. When it comes to meditation and spiritual techniques, I believe that what works for one person may not work at all for someone else. It is highly individualistic. Good luck, Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Squance Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:01 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT: Help with motivation Revers: Many of you replied to this thread, and the collective wisdom of this group has once again impressed me. My problem, if it can be called a problem, is sort of the opposite. I have the motivation, but nothing to work on. Perhaps I just lack the motivation to dig for ideas, but my skills are limited, as is my time--I'm a hobbyist, and have not tackled anything very challenging at this point (except perhaps getting things to print properly under Windoze ;). Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
legal...
Dear Rev Programmers, Anyone know the legal mumble-jumble on taking a open VB source code than you didn't write and converting it to Rev, and distributing. Is that legal or not? Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: legal...
Hi Paul, Dear Rev Programmers, Anyone know the legal mumble-jumble on taking a open VB source code than you didn't write and converting it to Rev, and distributing. Is that legal or not? I am no lawyer, but i would say yes, it's legal. At least i would do it ;-) Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
Hi Developers, I've posted this bug report: Bug# 2631 -- I could open any stack by dragging and droping over an executable file. Verified with many standalones build with RR and MC. Some standalones even let me copy a jpg file in the hard disk and open it in windows explorer. -- If this bug affect your work, please consider to vote for it. al = Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: legal...
It's not legal. But if you find more than one source with the same algorightm - common use, then it's ok to replicate that use with your own code. Using the other's code to make it work for you should be done with caution. It's been known to catch up in time some big companies... And make some small ones rich or poor... And small companies are easier to attack to set precedents in the least... Get the author's permission or look for public domain code... If it's non commercial like the bit101 scripts I dropped in the list a few days ago, then I guess it's ok and to the honor and benefit of the author if you give him credit... He might appreciate it and get you more! cheers Xavier -- http://MonsieurX.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Major Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 17:25 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: legal... Hi Paul, Dear Rev Programmers, Anyone know the legal mumble-jumble on taking a open VB source code than you didn't write and converting it to Rev, and distributing. Is that legal or not? I am no lawyer, but i would say yes, it's legal. At least i would do it ;-) Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: legal...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, it depends on the license under which the code was released. If the code is in the public domain, anything goes. Otherwise, check the license. On Feb 23, 2005, at 11:44 AM, MisterX wrote: It's not legal. But if you find more than one source with the same algorightm - common use, then it's ok to replicate that use with your own code. Using the other's code to make it work for you should be done with caution. It's been known to catch up in time some big companies... And make some small ones rich or poor... And small companies are easier to attack to set precedents in the least... Get the author's permission or look for public domain code... If it's non commercial like the bit101 scripts I dropped in the list a few days ago, then I guess it's ok and to the honor and benefit of the author if you give him credit... He might appreciate it and get you more! cheers Xavier -- http://MonsieurX.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Major Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 17:25 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: legal... Hi Paul, Dear Rev Programmers, Anyone know the legal mumble-jumble on taking a open VB source code than you didn't write and converting it to Rev, and distributing. Is that legal or not? I am no lawyer, but i would say yes, it's legal. At least i would do it ;-) Paul Salyers PS1 - Senior Rep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHLk+7aqtWrR9cZoRAqaTAJ0XG/5r99zVgxMKyrl2eKKuNt3ycgCfV813 6tUZZHZ3oSzY7U3nWJ4+LKs= =dT7C -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
Thanks Sarah, Richard, Trevor, Bob, Ro, Stephen, Jacqueline, Dan, Jim, Ken, David, Chipp, Paul, David, Andre, Judy, Dave, Graham, Kevin, Mikey, and Jonathan. I am completely overwhelmed by the responses I received to my motivation problem. I don't know what to say... I realize now that this project, that I am looking at, is more like just a means to make some cash BUT that my heart is not really in it. It is not a bad project and it will help others BUT when I asked myself what I really want to be doing right now I got a BIG surprise. My answer is that I would rather be creating some of the metal sculpture ideas I have been having. Those I have drawn sketches down on paper and spent hours researching. When I have time, that is what I am thinking about. I think it is like the taxes being due aspect, where I can't get to something else until I deal with what is most pressing in my mind. So, due to all of the wonderful help and suggestions from you guys I have decided to take a break and go ice fishing here in Pennsylvania and then commit to finishing one of my metal kinetic sculpture ideas which shouldn't take more than a week or two tops and THEN when I am done come back to this project and see how I feel then. Below I clipped a few of the responses I got so that I can be reminded about all of the great responses and to remember that I am not alone, at all in feeling this way. Thanks guys, Tom McGrath On Feb 22, 2005, at 6:27 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Hiking or other blood-stimulating exercise with good vistas generally works helps me, esp. if followed by a good meal with lots of greens, a hot bath, and a brief nap. The time away clears the mind, and I've lost count of the number of times I wake from a short nap knowing exactly how to solve a previously difficult problem. Some people mistake prepping for flow with wasting time. It is all in how you look at it. OK what to do is go and have a couple of days off. Eat lots of good food and visit some friends. Then have another couple of days off to recover from friends. :-) If you can get started, turn off the TV. Turn off the radio. Don't read the mail. Don't open a book. You can go for a walk. Sooner or later, you will start writing This has worked well for me - of course, I've updated it to include Don't turn on the computer I get motivation sometimes just exploring the rich RunRev feature set. This stuff is DEEP and every entry into the Docs (thanks, Heather) leads me to say wow, I didn't know you could do THAT. My brain sometimes doesn't know what I'm up to, and falls for it. 1. Nothing is more important than that you feel good. Nothing. 2. There's an old saying that was turned into a book title: If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably wind up somewhere. Know where you are going. 3. Play the Alphabet Animals Game. 4. write down 20 ideas for ways to solve the problem or answer the question. Don't worry about it. It comes when it comes. If it's any consolation, it's been three years since I've been motivated! You are simply stuck in a do-nothing repeat loop. Best advice I could give would be to shut down the computer, get away from the machine for awhile. Breathe Prioritise Exercise Communicate Take a break Do one thing at a time Stay positive There was this one designer who came in every day at 8AM and imediately took out a pencil and drew a line on a page. Then we went and got coffee. He said it 'broke' the 'white space' problem many designers get when staring at a fresh clean piece of paper. This often helps me decide, early on, that I really don't want to do it. And that is a good thing, too. If your inner voice is saying I want no part of this, it might just be giving you good advice. I have the motivation, but nothing to work on. I think we suffer from what I call the Douglas Adams Disease. The trick is to get away from the work for a while. Sometimes, the burden of needing to do something in one arena was lifted by doing something positive or meaningful in another... and being successful. The key is in finding efficient(ish) techniques of piddling around. The effect of this is that my internal To Do list gets blocked in proportion to the attractiveness of the items on it. Remember, with a difficult task, motivation for the task comes *after* you get started, not before. Ultimately, what I discovered is that inside me there is something intuitive that needs panic, disaster, mayhem, and impending doom to focus. There's something strangely calming about it. Ask yourself What needs to be improved in my life? -The odds are that if you can create something that improves your life, it will be of benefit to someone else as well. Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] 412-831-3094 220 Drake Road Bethel Park, PA 15102 *)) = Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
Re: Making Wells: Whose Control Is It Anyway?
Jerry, I am not sure what it is exactly that you are asking. But have you looked in the documentation under drag? You said: no handlers in the other controls on the card will get triggered (right?), But: I think that you can trap and act upon a few things while doing a drag: dragDrop - Sent to the object where data was dropped when a drag and drop finishes. dragEnd - Sent to the object a drag and drop started from, when the data is dropped. dragEnter - Sent when the mouse pointer moves into an object during a drag and drop. dragLeave - Sent when the mouse pointer moves out of an object during a drag and drop. dragMove - Sent when the user moves the mouse during a drag and drop. dragSource - Returns the long ID of the object that dragged data was dragged from. dragDestination - Returns the long ID of the object that dragged data was dropped on. dragData - Returns the long ID of the object that dragged data was dropped on. I would think that you could combine a custom property in your drop zone item and during a drag do a test as to what is being dragged and wether it is appropriate to drop it or not and then act upon that. HTH Tom On Feb 23, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Jerry Balzano wrote: Here's the situation: say the user is dragging a green group. Other grouped controls on the card have green slots (actually fields with different text color) that need to signal that they will accept the drop of the green group, which they do by hiliting their border (actually turning off their threeD property temporarily). Since I have an object attached to my cursor (the green group I'm dragging), no handlers in the other controls on the card will get triggered (right?), so I seem to have no choice but to iterate over the controls, and do a test inside the original green-group handler (or gasp inside an idle handler) like if the mouseLoc is within the rect of control i then set the threeD of control i to false I foresee this solution scaling badly as the number of controls on the card increases. But I don't at the moment see a better one. Is there? Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
On 2/23/05 10:33 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Developers, I've posted this bug report: Bug# 2631 -- I could open any stack by dragging and droping over an executable file. Verified with many standalones build with RR and MC. Some standalones even let me copy a jpg file in the hard disk and open it in windows explorer. -- If this bug affect your work, please consider to vote for it. Unless I am misunderstanding, this is not a bug. It has to do with file associations in the operating system. On MacOS, you need to assign a different creator and type code to your standalone. On Mac OS X, either do the same thing, or use a different file extension (do not use .rev). On Windows, use a different file association as well. The operating system determines what application will open a file based on these criteria. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making Wells: Whose Control Is It Anyway?
On 2/23/05 9:04 AM, Jerry Balzano wrote: Rev Users - I have to say I'm a little jealous ... a posting headed OT: Help with motivation gives rise to a thread of over 20 messages, That's because we can write that stuff off the top of our heads without having to look up anything, or even do any focused thinking. ;) and I can't even get a little nibble with an actual scripting question here [see below]. Check out the dragEnter system message. If you are doing a drag operation (as opposed to a grab,) you should get a dragEnter message every time the cursor enters another object. If your dragEnter handler is in the card or stack script, it can check the target to see which object the cursor is in. - gjb On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:25 AM, Jerry Balzano wrote: While I have the precious time and attention of those (many) who are more expert in Rev than I: I'm still struggling with what looks like the inelegance of my solution to a kind of pseudo dragging-and-dropping of these groups. Here's the situation: say the user is dragging a green group. Other grouped controls on the card have green slots (actually fields with different text color) that need to signal that they will accept the drop of the green group, which they do by hiliting their border (actually turning off their threeD property temporarily). Since I have an object attached to my cursor (the green group I'm dragging), no handlers in the other controls on the card will get triggered (right?), so I seem to have no choice but to iterate over the controls, and do a test inside the original green-group handler (or gasp inside an idle handler) like if the mouseLoc is within the rect of control i then set the threeD of control i to false I foresee this solution scaling badly as the number of controls on the card increases. But I don't at the moment see a better one. Is there? Thanks again to listmembers for sharing your expertise with me, Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
Mikey wrote: Whenever I learn a new language I read the Language Guide cover to cover. Well, that's a lie -- what I really do is skim it. But even just skimming will give you the lay of the land, and you'd be surprised how much you'll retain from that. Wait - there's a Language Guide? Where the heck is that? In recent versions the language is documented in the Transcript Dictionary. Documentation is available through Help-Documentation, or clicking the button labeled Documentation at the right of the toolbar. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
On 2/23/05 8:42 AM, Mikey wrote: Whenever I learn a new language I read the Language Guide cover to cover. Well, that's a lie -- what I really do is skim it. But even just skimming will give you the lay of the land, and you'd be surprised how much you'll retain from that. Wait - there's a Language Guide? Where the heck is that? I was asking about that (or thought I was, under the dark influence of DayQuil) several days ago, and got (nearly) laughed at by someone on this list. So there ARE manuals? I don't care if they are in PDF, but really - there ARE manuals? The manual is the Help system. The stuff you are most likely to want are the FAQ and Topics sections, until you get to the point where you need dictionary syntax definitions. The printed manuals, which are available for purchase separately, are just printouts of the same material for those who prefer hard copy they can read in the bathroom. ;) The printed version is not entirely up to date at this point, so the online Help system is actually more accurate. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 File associations are irrelevant for drag 'n drop of document/file icons on an app's icon. That much is true for most operating systems. On Feb 23, 2005, at 12:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Unless I am misunderstanding, this is not a bug. It has to do with file associations in the operating system. On MacOS, you need to - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHMpF7aqtWrR9cZoRAkxPAJ4h0Yg/Z2Mm7Bg8QnCJYzwrQkMz6wCfbjIa IxqzL++8wLphQRPh8/0qT2g= =/lt+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
On Feb 23, 2005, at 3:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: The printed manuals, which are available for purchase separately, are just printouts of the same material for those who prefer hard copy they can read in the bathroom. ;) The printed version is not entirely up to date at this point, so the online Help system is actually more accurate. I've got an iPAQ, wireless net, and VNC! all my needs for RevDocs in awkward places are now covered! :-D Andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Firebird?
Jonathan, I don't think we have a database_driver for firebird, but we have ODBC, so you might be able to access this database from ODBC datasource, what about this? PS: I use postgreSQL, it's marvelous... Andre On Feb 23, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Hello everyone, I need to learn to use a database with some of my Rev apps. After much reading about the different options, I think I would like to use Firebird. 1) It is free 2) People say it works great 3) People say it works great on windows 4) It doesn't require that I do any C compiling to make it work. I am trying to figure out the best way to use Firebird from Revolution, and am wondering if anyone else here does it? Should I open up ISQL from within Rev, and use write to process commands to control ISQL to send and receive data from Firebird? Is there a driver native to Rev that will work with Firebird? Am I missing something really obvious because I know diddlysquat about databases and database drivers? Thanks, Jonathan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Firebird?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You probably would do best to use an ODBC driver for Firebird, if you are certain you want to use Firebird. Meanwhile, you might consider PostgreSQL instead. The new version has a native Windows build (for the first time), and it has a very long history with even very large databases under UNIX systems. It is available for more platforms than Firebird, and also offers a very nice, professional feature set. A Windows-based binary installer is available. Oh, and it's also free. I've been using it quite happily in combination with Rev, and I know others on the list have as well. www.postgresql.org On Feb 23, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Hello everyone, I need to learn to use a database with some of my Rev apps. After much reading about the different options, I think I would like to use Firebird. 1) It is free 2) People say it works great 3) People say it works great on windows 4) It doesn't require that I do any C compiling to make it work. I am trying to figure out the best way to use Firebird from Revolution, and am wondering if anyone else here does it? Should I open up ISQL from within Rev, and use write to process commands to control ISQL to send and receive data from Firebird? Is there a driver native to Rev that will work with Firebird? Am I missing something really obvious because I know diddlysquat about databases and database drivers? Thanks, Jonathan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHMw17aqtWrR9cZoRAhzKAJ0bSO7u0t+1Tikz7v0JraxeVBiGtACggBBt 5SRchHThA/TJIDchiGNo3KY= =WKuR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Help with motivation
Yo, if you're coming up to Erie to fish, let me know. I'll be happy to...fish...you out when you fall through the bay. -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, This is good. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: File associations are irrelevant for drag 'n drop of document/file icons on an app's icon. That much is true for most operating systems. I don't understand. This is what I need to do to get a document to be droppable onto an app: OS X: I need to add entries to the CFBundleDocumentTypes section of the info.plist file, noting the file's extension and type code. http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/LaunchServicesConcepts/LSCConcepts/chapter_2_section_4.html Win: I need to add an entry to the registry identifying a given file extension with a given app. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/shellcc/platform/shell/programmersguide/shell_basics/shell_basics_extending/fileassociations/fileassoc.asp Linux: Sadly varies unnecessarily between window managers, but most require a MIME entry into a database. By what other mechanisms can one associate a file type with an application that can open it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sharedscripts
Goodday I am a newbie in Revolution, being in the trialperiod. In themy resting 19 days I try to translate a Toolbook application to Revolution language. The TB-app is written by myself. I work with TB for 18 years and have some experience with TB. In my app there is a listfield, each line corresponding with a card; the listfield has several functions: go to a card, change textline and name of card, delete textline and card etc. In Toolbook I can use for this someting in the script like: my script=script of button navigate (or whatelse), or my script=sharedscript navigate but in Revolution a statement like that cannot be used while the script is running. Has anybody an idea. Next question: How far goes the use of Dreamcard. What is the difference with Revolution exactly ? Can I develop a complete stack like a Toolbook-book, or do I need Revolution? Thanks very much Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
Rob, I never used Toolbook so I am guessing here. One thing you can use to share scripts is grouping the controls and using a group script. Or if you build a script library in a stack and want to add those scripts to your stack, you can use start using to add the scripts to the message path. this are the basic ways of sharing scripts I think, other way is thru backscripts and frontscripts but they are more complex for they have more uses than simple script sharing. As for the diffs between Rev and Dreamcard, as I understand, dreamcard is not able to produce standalones that's all, you need dreamcard player to distribute your stacks. You can always upgrade to Rev later and compile your dreamcard stacks... andre On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Rob Meijer wrote: Goodday I am a newbie in Revolution, being in the trialperiod. In themy resting 19 days I try to translate a Toolbook application to Revolution language. The TB-app is written by myself. I work with TB for 18 years and have some experience with TB. In my app there is a listfield, each line corresponding with a card; the listfield has several functions: go to a card, change textline and name of card, delete textline and card etc. In Toolbook I can use for this someting in the script like: my script=script of button navigate (or whatelse), or my script=sharedscript navigate but in Revolution a statement like that cannot be used while the script is running. Has anybody an idea. Next question: How far goes the use of Dreamcard. What is the difference with Revolution exactly ? Can I develop a complete stack like a Toolbook-book, or do I need Revolution? Thanks very much Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Firebird?
Hello, As a long time Rev/PostgreSQL web apps developer, under both the Linux and OSX platforms, just a word to say that when i choosed PG against other ACID-DB possible choices (Firebird, SAPDB, OpenBase,...), the difference went in about the very good documentation (books, web sites,...) i found to start with Postgres 6.xx. Years later, i'm still very confident about its power and stability. I just hav'nt any krach, over the years, since i use it. If i'm still dumping all the production state db, dayly by security, i did never have to restore only one of them (development state sad db stop tests not included). PG 7.xx and 8 are probably not so far to be to SQL what Rev is to XTalk, even if in about db, Sybase ASE 12.5 could be an interesting choice too, indeed its licensing cost ! Best, Le 23 févr. 05, à 19:32, Frank D. Engel, Jr. a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You probably would do best to use an ODBC driver for Firebird, if you are certain you want to use Firebird. Meanwhile, you might consider PostgreSQL instead. The new version has a native Windows build (for the first time), and it has a very long history with even very large databases under UNIX systems. It is available for more platforms than Firebird, and also offers a very nice, professional feature set. A Windows-based binary installer is available. Oh, and it's also free. I've been using it quite happily in combination with Rev, and I know others on the list have as well. www.postgresql.org On Feb 23, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: Hello everyone, I need to learn to use a database with some of my Rev apps. After much reading about the different options, I think I would like to use Firebird. 1) It is free 2) People say it works great 3) People say it works great on windows 4) It doesn't require that I do any C compiling to make it work. I am trying to figure out the best way to use Firebird from Revolution, and am wondering if anyone else here does it? Should I open up ISQL from within Rev, and use write to process commands to control ISQL to send and receive data from Firebird? Is there a driver native to Rev that will work with Firebird? Am I missing something really obvious because I know diddlysquat about databases and database drivers? Thanks, Jonathan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHMw17aqtWrR9cZoRAhzKAJ0bSO7u0t+1Tikz7v0JraxeVBiGtACggBBt 5SRchHThA/TJIDchiGNo3KY= =WKuR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ SIRET : 348 855 784 00024. APE : 741G. TVA : en cours. WEB/EAI services ACID DB over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
Rob Meijer wrote: I am a newbie in Revolution, being in the trialperiod. In themy resting 19 days I try to translate a Toolbook application to Revolution language. The TB-app is written by myself. I work with TB for 18 years and have some experience with TB. Welcome aboard. I've used ToolBook myself - nice system, and the only one I've used which comes close to matching Rev for performance and the vendor's confidence in their own language (both IDEs are built in in their native language). In my app there is a listfield, each line corresponding with a card; the listfield has several functions: go to a card, change textline and name of card, delete textline and card etc. In Toolbook I can use for this someting in the script like: my script=script of button navigate (or whatelse), or my script=sharedscript navigate but in Revolution a statement like that cannot be used while the script is running. Has anybody an idea. You can use the insert script command to put a script of any object into the message path for use by any other object, and you can use start using to make something roughly equivalent to TB's sysbooks. For notes on these and more see: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html Next question: How far goes the use of Dreamcard. What is the difference with Revolution exactly ? Can I develop a complete stack like a Toolbook-book, or do I need Revolution? TB is a funny beast in that regard, because it's EXEs don't really bind the engine to the book file, but add only a tiny wrapper to call the engine stored elsewhere in a set of DLLs (at least as of v7, the last I used). Rev has two deployment options which more or less straddle the TB EXE delivery method: - Standalone applications: these bind the engine to your stack file creating a self-contained EXE which requires no DLLs to run (unless you use supplimental widgets like DB connectivity or third-party externals). The engine is pretty small for what it does (about 2MB for Win), and being self-contained makes it a delight to make installers and uninstallers for. Note: While you can bind a stack file to the engine, you also have the option of putting binding only a small stack to the engine and keeping your main UI separate. This can be useful if you want to build an auto-update mechanism (Rev makes most HTTP and FTP functions as simple as a single line of code). - Revolution Player: this is a separate application that can be distributed for free along with your stack file. This is a good solution for quickly sharing prototypes with others on your team, or for folks looking for a quick way to share just about any stacks. More comparison info is available at: http://www.runrev.com/section/platform.php www.japrosoft.com Nice collection of TB stuff there. Looking forward to seeing some of that translated to Rev. :) Feel free to post any other questions you have as you come across them. There's a number of us here who've used ToolBook who can lend a hand. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Monterey Conference Date Change
It turns out that the upcoming Monterey Revolution Conference has to be moved up a week to June 17-18. The weekend we'd selected conflicts with the annual Monterey Blues Festival, which meant there were few rooms available for people to stay in and they were all very expensive. Sorry for the false start. We're still not certain we'll be doing a major conference with tracks for beginning/intermediate scripters. The response so far is right on the edge of being sufficient to make a decision to proceed. So if you're interested but haven't said so yet, please email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the word Monterey in the subject line. I'm not asking for commitments, just indications of probable interest. Thanks. I now return you to your regularly scheduled scripting. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
Andre, I cannot find the right syntax. 'Start using' did not match. I am looking for something like: insert script of button wijzigen into script of field content but here I get an errormessage missing script ?? Thanks for your help Rob -- At 19:24 23/2/2005, Andre Garzia wrote: Rob, I never used Toolbook so I am guessing here. One thing you can use to share scripts is grouping the controls and using a group script. Or if you build a script library in a stack and want to add those scripts to your stack, you can use start using to add the scripts to the message path. this are the basic ways of sharing scripts I think, other way is thru backscripts and frontscripts but they are more complex for they have more uses than simple script sharing. As for the diffs between Rev and Dreamcard, as I understand, dreamcard is not able to produce standalones that's all, you need dreamcard player to distribute your stacks. You can always upgrade to Rev later and compile your dreamcard stacks... andre On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Rob Meijer wrote: Goodday I am a newbie in Revolution, being in the trialperiod. In themy resting 19 days I try to translate a Toolbook application to Revolution language. The TB-app is written by myself. I work with TB for 18 years and have some experience with TB. In my app there is a listfield, each line corresponding with a card; the listfield has several functions: go to a card, change textline and name of card, delete textline and card etc. In Toolbook I can use for this someting in the script like: my script=script of button navigate (or whatelse), or my script=sharedscript navigate but in Revolution a statement like that cannot be used while the script is running. Has anybody an idea. Next question: How far goes the use of Dreamcard. What is the difference with Revolution exactly ? Can I develop a complete stack like a Toolbook-book, or do I need Revolution? Thanks very much Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia ð 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Monterey Conference Date Change
Dan et Al, I'll make the effort to go to both tracks if they happen! I learned so much from the last RMS that I would be very happy to stay there for both tracks! The date change keeps one wondering about attending also to the WWDC Andre On Feb 23, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: It turns out that the upcoming Monterey Revolution Conference has to be moved up a week to June 17-18. The weekend we'd selected conflicts with the annual Monterey Blues Festival, which meant there were few rooms available for people to stay in and they were all very expensive. Sorry for the false start. We're still not certain we'll be doing a major conference with tracks for beginning/intermediate scripters. The response so far is right on the edge of being sufficient to make a decision to proceed. So if you're interested but haven't said so yet, please email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the word Monterey in the subject line. I'm not asking for commitments, just indications of probable interest. Thanks. I now return you to your regularly scheduled scripting. Dan ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
Hi Rob, Andre, I cannot find the right syntax. 'Start using' did not match. I am looking for something like: insert script of button wijzigen into script of field content but here I get an errormessage missing script ?? you can only insert script into bakc or front... So you probably want to: ... insert script of btn wijzigen into back ... This way that script will be in the end of the messagepath and can be accessed by other objects... Thanks for your help Graag gedaan :-) Rob Groetjes Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
On Feb 23, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Rob Meijer wrote: Andre, I cannot find the right syntax. 'Start using' did not match. I am looking for something like: insert script of button wijzigen into script of field content but here I get an errormessage missing script ?? Thanks for your help Rob Rob, quoting Richards reply: you can use the insert script command to put a script of any object into the message path for use by any other object, and you can use start using to make something roughly equivalent to TB's sysbooks. For notes on these and more see: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/ revolution_message_path.html start using will add a script of a stack to the message path, but not the script of a button. You can add the script of a button as a backscript or a frontscript but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Ron, I don't know the behaviour you want to achive. If you want just to share scripts between controls, check revolution groups, if you want to make a script as library, put it inside a stack and use start using stack myStack to use the stack as lib. But if this script is pre-coded, why not putting it inside the field content anyway? For example, I have here some small reusable scripts that I use all the time but they are too small to deserve a library, so I created a little palette that will check the selected object in Rev IDE and insert that script on the object. I can go adding scripts to this pallete... this servers me fine for it does not alter the message path in anyway... if you want to change the script of a button at runtime (or at interactive time), then I think you can set the script property of the button, but we need help from the experts on this topic, I don't know what happens if you use: set the script of fld content to the script of btn wijzigen but it might work, give it a try! :D andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making Wells aka pseudo-dd
Thanks to Tom, David, and Jacque for their responses to my query. I'm not using standard drag and drop because I want the user to have color-coded information about what s/he is dragging. If Rev supported color cursors I would be able to live with that, but it doesn't, so I am trying out the option of actually dragging a copy of the object itself. The down side to this is of course that I can't use all the nice drag messages that fly around when you are doing *real* dd. David points out something I didn't know, which is that mouseEnter messages get triggered even when you have some other object attached to the cursor. I'll try using this and see if it solves my problem. It is encouraging news, but I haven't checked it out yet. Thanks again, Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
Mikey, You can download an RTF version of the documentation, but it's from RR 2.1 at my site: bottom of page: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Links.htm Or, if you send a real nice message to Jerry Daniels he may let you beta test his 'Transcript Gadget' which is an incredibly helpful Transcript Reference stack which also has the ability to print (nicely I might add) to PDF or Printer. It's over 1400 pages though! Jerry is at jerry(at)daniels-mara.com BTW, it also has the rather cool ability to be the default help stack so that when you right-click a word in the script editor it launches instead of the default documentation. best, Chipp Mikey wrote: Wait - there's a Language Guide? Where the heck is that? I was asking about that (or thought I was, under the dark influence of DayQuil) several days ago, and got (nearly) laughed at by someone on this list. So there ARE manuals? I don't care if they are in PDF, but really - there ARE manuals? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pseudo Drag and Drop question
OK, on further review ... The maneuver suggested by David Epstein, although it seemed promising at first, won't work. The only way the mouseEnter message gets triggered by the receiving object is (a) if the mouse button is up, and (b) if the moving control is in a layer *beneath* the receiver (else the receiver doesn't see the cursor). The documentation on mouseEnter verifies all this. Since (b) one would generally want to set the layer to top for any dragged control, and (a) one would generally have the mouse button down in such situations, we are double-damned. So I am back to thinking that in order to have Rev do what I want, i.e. have any potential drop locations hilight as soon as the dragged object (or the pointer) overlaps (enters) its rectangle, I believe I need to (p) manage a list of potential target-controls and (q) iterate over it until I find one with the mouseLoc (or some such) enters the rect of it. I mainly want to know, am I right about this, that there is no easier or better way? Thanks, Jerry Somehow my ability to post to the Rev list has gotten messed up, but your question intrigued me. I don't know exactly what handlers you're trying to use, but this simple test was encouraging: Make two buttons. One has the script on mouseMove set the loc of me to the mouseLoc end mouseMove The other has the script on mouseEnter put BINGO end mouseEnter It appears that the second button receives the mouseEnter message even if the first button is being dragged around with the cursor (though it's triggered when the cursor arrives, not when the edge of the first button arrives). Hope this helps. David Epstein ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Enter key on laptops [OT]
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Re: New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
On 2/23/05 12:24 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: File associations are irrelevant for drag 'n drop of document/file icons on an app's icon. That much is true for most operating systems. Not on Macs, though I see now it can be different on Windows. I don't know about the 'nixes. I interpreted the original bug report as a complaint that any Rev stack can be dropped on any Rev standalone and the stack will open. On a Mac (both classic and OS X,) file associations determine this behavior. If the poster didn't reset the default file type when he built his standalone, and he's on a Mac, then I'd expect any of his standalones will open any Rev stack. On Macs, if you drop a PDF file onto Revolution, nothing happens. Rev doesn't accept the drop and doesn't launch. The file types (or extensions in OS X) aren't right, so the OS prevents any action. In Windows, dropping a stack onto an exe does appear to launch the exe sometimes, though the file will either error, or in some cases the app will see it as a text file and open it that way. So I guess that's what you meant. Windows apps may accept the file as a dropped item, but the app won't generally be able to work with it. But the poster was bug-reporting that his standalones open any stacks he makes. This doesn't sound like a bug to me in any case. It sounds like exactly the behavior we'd want most of the time. On a Mac, he can change the file type and creator codes of the standalones to prevent this behavior. On Windows, I guess there isn't much he can do outside of writing some code that checks a custom property or something, and then quitting if it isn't right. Maybe he will write again and describe the problem more fully. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
On 2/23/05 1:09 PM, Rob Meijer wrote: Goodday I am a newbie in Revolution, being in the trialperiod. I'm glad you came to the list. Welcome. :) In themy resting 19 days I try to translate a Toolbook application to Revolution language. The TB-app is written by myself. I work with TB for 18 years and have some experience with TB. In my app there is a listfield, each line corresponding with a card; the listfield has several functions: go to a card, change textline and name of card, delete textline and card etc. What determines which action the field takes? Does the user press a control key, or right-click on the list, or what? In Toolbook I can use for this someting in the script like: my script=script of button navigate (or whatelse), or my script=sharedscript navigate but in Revolution a statement like that cannot be used while the script is running. Has anybody an idea. I think it would be helpful if you could post your Toolbook field script -- or part of it -- so that we can see what you want to do. There are so many different ways to use Transcript, I think we need to see what you are trying to accomplish so that we can give you the best answer. It sounds to me like what you want may be a branching control structure, something like this: on mouseUp tBtn if the tBtn = 3 then doThingsForRightClick else doThingsForNormalClick end mouseUp Is that what you need? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Bugzilla report Bug 2631
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On the Mac: The creator code is likely ignored when determining which files can be dropped, since you can drop an icon from a program other than the one which created the file (thus the reason for drag-and-drop opening in the first place, otherwise we could just double-click and be done with it). The type codes are what is of interest, and an app can be associated with more than one. To prevent a Mac app from accepting the drag-and-drop open, one would need to make sure that the Rev stack file type is not among those given for use by that particular app. This is handled by the plist file in an OS X bundle. On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:06 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/23/05 12:24 PM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: File associations are irrelevant for drag 'n drop of document/file icons on an app's icon. That much is true for most operating systems. Not on Macs, though I see now it can be different on Windows. I don't know about the 'nixes. I interpreted the original bug report as a complaint that any Rev stack can be dropped on any Rev standalone and the stack will open. On a Mac (both classic and OS X,) file associations determine this behavior. If the poster didn't reset the default file type when he built his standalone, and he's on a Mac, then I'd expect any of his standalones will open any Rev stack. On Macs, if you drop a PDF file onto Revolution, nothing happens. Rev doesn't accept the drop and doesn't launch. The file types (or extensions in OS X) aren't right, so the OS prevents any action. In Windows, dropping a stack onto an exe does appear to launch the exe sometimes, though the file will either error, or in some cases the app will see it as a text file and open it that way. So I guess that's what you meant. Windows apps may accept the file as a dropped item, but the app won't generally be able to work with it. But the poster was bug-reporting that his standalones open any stacks he makes. This doesn't sound like a bug to me in any case. It sounds like exactly the behavior we'd want most of the time. On a Mac, he can change the file type and creator codes of the standalones to prevent this behavior. On Windows, I guess there isn't much he can do outside of writing some code that checks a custom property or something, and then quitting if it isn't right. Maybe he will write again and describe the problem more fully. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCHSlP7aqtWrR9cZoRApAzAKCRWYj9RblIpkNDCknJjwGnZmz1JgCfZGqc LIh1Vt6aEjKWaAYnjOdKA1U= =h/17 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes on OSX 10.1. This leads me to assume that there must be no beta testers for Rev with 10.1--because the same thing happened with Rev 2.1, I reported a crash and it was later fixed. But 10.1 is officially supported, so it seems like a 10.1 beta tester is needed, otherwise this could happen every release. It needs to be checked in beta so that the release will work, otherwise it'll always be behind on 10.1 compatibility. Curry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev 2.5
I can't really try out 2.5 much because it crashes in too many situations with OSX 10.1, but I see enough to raise some questions. Does the RevOnline window always open when you open Revolution, or will it stay shut next time if you close it and quit (without crashing)? I prefer selecting an object type in the tool palette and then clicking or dragging in the stack window to create it, as in Rev 2.0.3 that I have. For those of you who have been with Rev for a while like me and have been working in 2.5 for a while, do you find the new way of dragging controls out better, worse, or not much difference when it comes to everyday use and convenience? Thanks, Curry Kenworthy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New user just introducing myself...
Thanks everyone for the suggestions and comments. I most certainly will not hesitate to ask a questions as I journey down the road to becoming a Revolution builder ;-) Kevin, I agree that there is a lot of high quality introductory material included with 2.5. Its just that right now I can only attack Rev with small chunks of time and a tutorial PDF would make it easier to keep track of where I've been and where I plan to go... I would love to take a weekend and just immerse myself and explore all of the videos and scripts and projects, but until that weekend comes I need to just chip away at it. That's why I bought Dan's book (which I'm anxiously waiting for :-) to help keep me on track. Regards, Todd Feb 23, 2005, at 6:44 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 23/2/05 4:00 am, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was evaluating Revolution previously, I remember seeing a tutorial section under help. I couldn't seem to find it in the 2.5 version, so I just ordered Dan's book : ) Somehow the Getting Started stuff fell out of v2.5 -- not sure how that happened, but I'm sure they're rushing an update which will restore that critical missing element. Actually, there is lots of new Getting Started material in v2.5. Its in the Learning Center, within revOnline. You'll find video and PDF guides that teach the key aspects of the product you need to know, as well as 10 fully commented and documented Sample Projects to take apart and learn from, and 50 Sample Scripts. You can also find the Video / PDF guides on our web site at: http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Todd Higgins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1
I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes on OSX 10.1. Are you not even using 10.1.5? Man, you really need to at least move to Jaguar (MacOSX 10.2.8). It is a highly regarded opinion that 10.1 had lots of problems that were finally fixed by 10.2. That's my two kopeks. -James On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:06 PM, curry wrote: I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes on OSX 10.1. This leads me to assume that there must be no beta testers for Rev with 10.1--because the same thing happened with Rev 2.1, I reported a crash and it was later fixed. But 10.1 is officially supported, so it seems like a 10.1 beta tester is needed, otherwise this could happen every release. It needs to be checked in beta so that the release will work, otherwise it'll always be behind on 10.1 compatibility. Curry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT religious controversy
i don't happen to be a creationist or intelligent design advocate, but about half of the people in this country are. i am certain that some people on the list are as well. religion and politics are two areas where we should agree to disagree and leave it at that. this list is a community of sorts. with so many interests in common, polarization and marginalization detract from the common goal(s). [steps down from soap box] Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1
On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:59 PM, James Cass wrote: I'm using Rev 2.0.3 and I was going to try out Rev 2.5, but it crashes on OSX 10.1. Are you not even using 10.1.5? I have a 10.1.5 that I test Rev against when I feel inclined. Curry, I guess you have to be the 10.1 beta tester. (Personally, I think it should be formally tested on all advertised platforms in alpha, or at least the scope and places in between.) Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming Services and Software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.5 and OSX 10.1
Take a look at the official RunRev operating system requirements. It's *supposed* to work with 10.1. You don't think it's any big deal when the listed requirements don't match? Just upgrade as often as necessary? If I upgraded, then I wouldn't know the difference, wouldn't I? (And apparently, RunRev co. wouldn't know either.) So listing minimum requirements would be completely meaningless. I'm using Rev to make apps for others, not just for myself. I want to know that what I list is the real thing and works, not just make a wild guess. Curry -- James Cass wrote: Are you not even using 10.1.5? Man, you really need to at least move to Jaguar (MacOSX 10.2.8). It is a highly regarded opinion that 10.1 had lots of problems that were finally fixed by 10.2. That's my two kopeks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT religious controversy
There is a discussion list for Christian xTalk users (Rev and other IDE's) at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cxtalk/ This is offered for those who wish to talk about their faith, projects, and xTalk IDEs with other users. (Not for pro/con religious controversy and politics per se, sorry, can't help there!) Curry -- religion and politics are two areas where we should agree to disagree and leave it at that. this list is a community of sorts. with so many interests in common, polarization and marginalization detract from the common goal(s). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts
Hi Jaqueline, Andre and Klaus Thanks to your hint to see Richards article, I found such a large source of Revolutional knowledge, That I use a lot of time to read through all that stuff. I understood that back and front indicate the place in the hierarchy and that messagepath is synonym for the hierarchy. I understood that start using only works with a script from the stack. Your suggestion to use set the script of fld content to the script of btn wijzigen was the first statement I tried. I put it as last statment into a handler, but got the errormessage that a script cannot be altered while running. Then I tried send foo, foo being a handler in de stackscript. Same errormessage, because what I need is not to execute handler foo, but to replace the script of a field. Example. 1. The listfield is an index. Clicking a line opens a card: on mouseup;get selectedtext;go card it 2. A button is pressed to get a new script into that field. Now that field may delete a card. Or a button is pressed to get a new script into that field. Now that field may change the content of a card. 3. Here comes the problem: The main task of the listfield is being an index to go to a card. So I need a statement on the end of each script to reset the script of that listfield to on mouseup;get selectedtext;go card it. This is easily done in Toolbook, but I can't find it in Transscript. Well, now I am going to study your advises. Thanks Jaqueline, Andre and Kaus Rob At 20:42 23/2/2005, Andre Garzia wrote: On Feb 23, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Rob Meijer wrote: Andre, I cannot find the right syntax. 'Start using' did not match. I am looking for something like: insert script of button wijzigen into script of field content but here I get an errormessage missing script ?? Thanks for your help Rob Rob, quoting Richards reply: you can use the insert script command to put a script of any object into the message path for use by any other object, and you can use start using to make something roughly equivalent to TB's sysbooks. For notes on these and more see: http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/ revolution_message_path.html start using will add a script of a stack to the message path, but not the script of a button. You can add the script of a button as a backscript or a frontscript but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Ron, I don't know the behaviour you want to achive. If you want just to share scripts between controls, check revolution groups, if you want to make a script as library, put it inside a stack and use start using stack myStack to use the stack as lib. But if this script is pre-coded, why not putting it inside the field content anyway? For example, I have here some small reusable scripts that I use all the time but they are too small to deserve a library, so I created a little palette that will check the selected object in Rev IDE and insert that script on the object. I can go adding scripts to this pallete... this servers me fine for it does not alter the message path in anyway... if you want to change the script of a button at runtime (or at interactive time), then I think you can set the script property of the button, but we need help from the experts on this topic, I don't know what happens if you use: set the script of fld content to the script of btn wijzigen but it might work, give it a try! :D andre -- Andre Alves Garzia ð 2004 ð BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.5
On Feb 23, 2005, at 6:22 PM, curry wrote: I can't really try out 2.5 much because it crashes in too many situations with OSX 10.1, but I see enough to raise some questions. Yeah, you should upgrade to OSX 10.2 or 10.3. Lots of good, non-Rev reasons to do so. Does the RevOnline window always open when you open Revolution, or will it stay shut next time if you close it and quit (without crashing)? It's a setting you can change in preferences. I prefer selecting an object type in the tool palette and then clicking or dragging in the stack window to create it, as in Rev 2.0.3 that I have. For those of you who have been with Rev for a while like me and have been working in 2.5 for a while, do you find the new way of dragging controls out better, worse, or not much difference when it comes to everyday use and convenience? You can drag out controls or double-click to place them centrally and then drag them where you want them. It took me about a day to get used to the new paradigm. Dan Thanks, Curry Kenworthy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT religious controversy
Mark To what was this a response? Dan On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Erik Hansen wrote: i don't happen to be a creationist or intelligent design advocate, but about half of the people in this country are. i am certain that some people on the list are as well. religion and politics are two areas where we should agree to disagree and leave it at that. this list is a community of sorts. with so many interests in common, polarization and marginalization detract from the common goal(s). [steps down from soap box] Erik Hansen = [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sharedscripts-workaround
Hi Jaqueline, Andre and Klaus Yes, I found a workaround. In the script of the field I added insert script of btn gocard into front and in the card I put on closecard; remove script of btn gocard from front. I coudn't find a working start using. But I am not pleased to have a lot of (invisible) buttons on that card. Why can't I use scripts from the stack? Thanks Jaqueline, Andre and Kaus Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.japrosoft.com no more spam: Mailwasher Pro http://www.firetrust.com/products/pro/ and please mention my emailaddress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
