Re: [OT] Australian internet blackout

[stephen barncard]

Sarah, that's a troubling issue. Has the EFF "Electronic Frontier
Foundation" gotten involved? I know the founder John Barlow personally from
my Grateful Dead days

sqb
-
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San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


On 27 January 2010 22:15, Sarah Reichelt  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
> my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
> against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
> filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
> it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
> Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
> petition at .
>
> Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)
>
> Regards,
> Sarah
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[OT] Australian internet blackout

[Sarah Reichelt]

Hi All,

I would like to apologise for any inconvenience, but anyone visiting
my web site over the next week will see a blackout message in protest
against the Australian government's planned compulsory internet
filtering. This is a badly considered policy that will not achieve
it's intended goal, but will block legitimate sites without recourse.
Any Australian's who wish to register their protest can sign the
petition at .

Thank you for your attention. Normal programming will now be resumed :-)

Regards,
Sarah
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Hiya, Alistair here again...

[dr . alistair]

Ooops. I am using windows.

cheers

Alistair
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MS Word document export

[dr . alistair]

Hi Curry,

I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am 
currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am working 
on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful tool. I 
would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in that too.

Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the 
library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to.

cheers

Alistair Campbell
dr.alist...@gmail.com
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DataGrid DragDrop vs DragMove

[RevList]

I have been looking at Trevors stack from the RunRev 09 session that
supports dragreorder and dragging and dropping data from a DataGroup to
another.
I want to drag and drop data from a data group to a text field, not
another data group.
The following works

For the script of the DataGrid, I have this

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
 
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData["private"] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   put GetDataOfIndex(theIndex, "ID") into theID
   set the dragData["private"] to "MyData" & cr & theID 
   
   ## I don't want to have to use this line, but I can't get by without
it.  See below
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
end dragStart

On the field script I have this

On DragDrop
   if  line 1 of the dragData["private"] is "MyData" then
  put line 2 of the dragData["private"] into me
   end if
end DragDrop

The trouble with the above is that I do not want to allow reordering of
the data and the visual clue that the UI shows when this is enabled so I
comment out the line.
   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
or set it to false.

When I do that, the drag and drop no longer works.

What does work, however is if I change the handler on the target field to
DragMove instead of DragDrop.
I don't want this however.  I want drag drop and Not show the dragReorder
visual effect.
What am I doing wrong?

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Re: RSS in on-rev

[Pierre Sahores]

David,


function RSSFeedUpdate tcontents,turl,tdir
put url ("file:/" & tdir & "/" & turl) into tvar
	if (turl is "Blog/wrds_w_rss.xml" and word 1 to 4 of the  
internet date is not in tvar and item 1 of the internet date is  
"sun") \
		or (turl is "Blog/wrds_d_rss.xml" and word 1 to 4 of the  
internet date is not in tvar) then

put the seconds into tseconds
put "" & cr & \
			"" & line 1 of tcontents & word 1 to - 2 of the internet  
date && "-0500)" & cr & \

"http://www.wrds.com/" & cr & \
			""  & line 2 to -1 of tcontents & cr & "description>" & cr & \
			"" & word 1 to -2 of the internet date && "-0500pubDate>" & cr & \
			"http://www.wrds.com/wrds.irev?rss_news="; &  
item random(2) of "wo8rdsca,wo8rdsco" & "_date=" & tseconds & "guid>" & cr & \

"" into trss_new
if "http://www.wrds.com/" & cr & \
			""  & line 2 to -1 of tcontents & cr & "description>" & cr & ""	is not in tvar then
			put offset("",tvar) & "," & 15+offset("lastBuildDate>",tvar) into tipoint
			put "" & word 1 to - 2 of the internet date &&  
"-0500" & cr & cr & \

trss_new into char item 1 of tipoint to item 2 
of tipoint of tvar
open file (tdir & "/" & turl) for write
write tvar to file (tdir & "/" & turl)
close file  (tdir & "/" & turl)
			put url ("binfile:" & char 1 to 5+offset("/k-max",the directory)  
of the directory & "/Blog/zimages/w8logoprog24.jpg") into \
url ("binfile:" & char 1 to 5+offset("/k-max",the directory) of  
the directory & "/Resources/w8logoprog.jpeg")

end if
end if
end RSSFeedUpdate


HTH,

Le 27 janv. 10 à 22:04, David Brooks a écrit :

I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message  
service going. One person has asked for RSS (really simple  
syndication) for this system.


Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?

Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?

Suggestions and/or appreciated.

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Re: Windows menu bars

[Ron]

Hi Jacque

You are right about your approach because you are using multiple cards  
on one window. In my case I had multiple windows in the same app. So,  
like you, I used empty buttons, a single backscript and one menupick  
handler. But because there are different windows, I switched to  
behaviors once they became available.


Thanks
Ron
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:23 AM, zryip theSlug wrote:


2010/1/27 J. Landman Gay :


What I've done is to have zero scripts in the menubar at all. It's  
just a bunch of empty buttons. All the stacks are run by a
single backscript, and there is one menupick handler in there with  
all the menu items in it (it's a pretty short menu.) That means >  
there is only one handler to manage.


I thought about using behaviors, but I didn't see an advantage to  
it in this situation. Would there be one?


Behavior or other way to not have to repeat the same code. No
particular advantage with it here. Just I had it in head when I wrote.
;)


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Re: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Kay C Lan]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?
>
> Almost as much as the user has installed, which is often less than the
maximum amount that they can install, but in all cases is significantly less
than the completely useless number Apple boasts that OS X can address ;-)
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Re: iPadding around?

[Luis]

'Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating' - Whilst jam isn't oily...

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:

So, there's Jobs showing off the new Apple iPad . . .

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/ 



[doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]

what interest me far more than the fact that I can write e-mail messages by
typing with my jammy, greasy paws all over the screen (turn-off) is what
sort of peripherals one could attach to the thing; err, keyboard, err, but
wouldn't that just make it another sort of laptop?

a sort of LARGE iPhone . . .

which makes me suspect that current RunRev builds aren't going to deliver
for this platform

presumably . . . ? . . . this will be possible with the new revMobile:

http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/overview/   

or, are we going to feel crippled for a bit? while the java folks
belt away ahead of us

[as a pedestrian school teacher I am asking this question under my
second hat of unofficial RunRev gadfly]
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Re: iPadding around?

[Kay C Lan]

I don't understand the fuss, the Apple iPad was released over 3 years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI

;-)
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Re: iPadding around?

[Alex Shaw]

Hi

Yes, true, and I'm excited about eventually creating 
i-apple-product-apps in runrev but one shouldn't assume automatic access 
to worldwide customers because you still have to go through the Apple shop..


http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html
http://www.fsf.org/news/ibad_launch

regards
alex


On 28/01/10 9:09 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

The current plan for revMobile requires the iPhone  SDK to be
installed, so I am assuming revMobile provides a bridge to XCode so
that XCode actually builds the app in a way that will be acceptable to
the App store. If this is the case, then the different chip should not
be an issue, since XCode handles it already.

And Stephen, I don't imaging programming ON the iPad, just FOR the
iPad which would be awesome.

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Re: Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Andre Rombauts  wrote:
> How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a window
> to display icons in it?...


The actual title bar is set by the operating system and cannot be changed.

What you need to do is to create an area at the top of your stack and
display your icons there. They will be a part of your stack rather
than part of the title bar, so you will have to manage showing &
hiding as well as any customisation.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: iPadding around?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> After seeing this thing I've been mulling around with the idea of a mobile 
> development system, complete with wi-fi access to On-Rev, wherever I go! But 
> bottom line, it's a hybrid OS. It remains to be seen just how much of the OS 
> X is in this thing, and how much of it is the iPhone OS on steroids.


There are FTP apps on the App store already, so I am definitely
imagining mobile On-Rev development :-)

But I do think this is the iPhone on steroids, not a stripped down MacBook.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: iPadding around?

[Sarah Reichelt]

>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
>> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
>> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>
> ...and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.


The current plan for revMobile requires the iPhone  SDK to be
installed, so I am assuming revMobile provides a bridge to XCode so
that XCode actually builds the app in a way that will be acceptable to
the App store. If this is the case, then the different chip should not
be an issue, since XCode handles it already.

And Stephen, I don't imaging programming ON the iPad, just FOR the
iPad which would be awesome.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson
 wrote:
> On 27/01/2010 19:09, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-Click
>> to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the option "Stack
>> Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
>> - Toplevel
>> - Modeless
>> - Palette
>> - Modal
>>
>> Ed
>
> Yup, that works, just tried it. HOWEVER pressing 3 keys and a mouse-click
> is a mug's game and there has to be something better.


It's an emergency get-out-of-jail-free card. It is only necessary if
you forget the close button before opening a stack as modal, so it's
no big deal really.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: RSS in on-rev

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:04 AM, David Brooks  wrote:
> I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message service 
> going. One person has asked for RSS (really simple syndication) for this 
> system.
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?
>
> Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?


Yes, my On-Rev site has RSS on some pages e.g.


An RSS page is just a text file containing XML in a specific format.
How you construct it depends on your data, but on the page I quote
above, I have a text file for each pot on the page, the rss generator
loops through these files and constructs the rss data from the
relevant bits of each file.

Search for RSS specifications to see which elements you need to
include and which are optional.

If you want to see my scripts, let me know and I can send them to you off-list.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: revBrowser with local file

[Claus Dreischer]

Am 27.01.10 23:09, schrieb Claus Dreischer:
> Hi,
> 
> is it possible to display local stuff (no "http://...";) with the revBrowser?
> I'd like to edit some HTML code in one filed and see the result in another.
> Is this possible? I tried, but failed ...
> 
> Regards,
>   Claus.

... and to answer myself:

file:///

is what i was looking for.
three slashes ...
time for bed X-)
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revBrowser with local file

[Claus Dreischer]

Hi,

is it possible to display local stuff (no "http://...";) with the revBrowser?
I'd like to edit some HTML code in one filed and see the result in another.
Is this possible? I tried, but failed ...

Regards,
Claus.
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Re: iPadding around?

[Bob Sneidar]

After seeing this thing I've been mulling around with the idea of a mobile 
development system, complete with wi-fi access to On-Rev, wherever I go! But 
bottom line, it's a hybrid OS. It remains to be seen just how much of the OS X 
is in this thing, and how much of it is the iPhone OS on steroids. 

Bob


On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. 
>> And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the 
>> unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I 
>> need two 23" displays these days.
> 
> I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than a
> bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
> Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
> really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
> functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.
> 
> And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
> announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
> suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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Re: The seconds and time zones

[zryip theSlug]

2010/1/26 Bill Vlahos :
> I want to represent time snapshot independently of format and time zone so 
> that I can compare the modification times of two items. The "seconds" looks 
> like the way to go but I thought that it would get thrown off depending upon 
> which time zone the computer was in.
>
> I just saw this in the Rev dictionary:
> Note: The convert command assumes all dates / times are in local time except 
> for 'the seconds', which is taken to be universal time.
>
> Does this mean that if I "get the seconds" simultaneously anywhere in the 
> world it will result in the same number or would I have to account for the 
> time zone offset. This definition makes it sound like it already takes into 
> account the time zone offset.


I'm late with that but here is my experience with dates and times.

In a compagny when you have a client/server application, never use the
date and time of a user's computer, in case of you have to store a
date in a bill or a time in a log, for example. The settings of each
computer has always different. Be confident in the server only.

So if it is already difficult to manage time in the same country, in a
same firm, it could be result to a real nightmare to manage time for
differents users all over the world.

I think the best is to trust an outside server which always give you
the same time for everyone. Webservices for example allow you to
retrive back the universal time.


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Re: Windows menu bars

[zryip theSlug]

2010/1/27 zryip theSlug :
> I missed something here. I have to do some test to illuminate my mind.

Okay I'm back. As expected I've illuminate my mind however maybe by shadow...

This would be the solution I would implement to solve the problem. But
it requires that the cards have the room to display the menu. Not
obvious to already existing stacks...

1) Creating of a substack in my project where I could create the main menu
2) Creating a backscript for manage the menu and a preopencard handler.
3) At every opening of a new document, copy of my group menu in the
first card of the open stack.
4) Let the user populate the cards they consults by the following script:
on preOpenCard
   if (there is no group "Main_Menubar") then
  place background "Main_Menubar" onto this card
   end if
   pass preOpenCard
end preOpenCard


No other idea at the moment on my side, sorry.
Finally, a floating window that is not so bad ... huhu 8-)

Be courageous Jacque! ;)


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Re: iPadding around?

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

after the announcement, I had to make this:

http://twitpic.com/101twn  check out the new iPad Mini

:D

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> > Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store.
> > And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the
> > unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I
> > need two 23" displays these days.
>
> I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than
> a
> bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
> Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
> really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
> functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.
>
> And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
> announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
> suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
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RSS in on-rev

[David Brooks]

I'm teaching a course from on-rev. We keep a home-grown message service going. 
One person has asked for RSS (really simple syndication) for this system. 

Has anyone tried setting up RSS with RunRev?

Has anyone tried setting up RSS on on-rev?

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RE: iPadding around?

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. 
> And they probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the 
> unit. Not that I'd want to do any programming on the thing. I 
> need two 23" displays these days.

I can't get too excited about it - Id rather have a svelte mac tablet than a
bigger and more powerful iPhone. But this isn't such a surprise though;
Apple has entirely embraced the consumer electronics experience. I haven't
really rushed to the iPhone for my own use because I can't get the
functionality out of it that I used to get out of my long gone Palm V.

And its clear that Amazon likes what it sees with the iPhone too. They've
announced an SDK and also that they will have a dedicated store (with a cut
suspiciously similar to that of the App Store).

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: iPadding around?

[Richmond Mathewson]

The iWork apps for iPad have been remade for the iPad;
while it, presumably, can read iWork documents made with
the Mac version as it has been recompiled that should not
lead us to think we can merrily pop out standalones for
the iPad from our existing versions of Studio and Enterprise.
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Re: iPadding around?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 27/01/2010 21:59, stephen barncard wrote:

It's not a luxury, Richmond, my eyesight sucks. Sorry you have monitor envy,
but my screen space is wasted, I blow it al up big.
   


I don't have monitor envy; in fact I am an extremely lucky chap insofar 
as at 47 I don't need
glasses. However I probably misread your posting as I thought that you 
meant that you
were only prepared to program stacks for people with whopping great 
monitors!



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2010/1/27 Richmond Mathewson

   

On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:

 

Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd
want
to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.


   

Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!

We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.

Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)



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Re: iPadding around?

[stephen barncard]

It's not a luxury, Richmond, my eyesight sucks. Sorry you have monitor envy,
but my screen space is wasted, I blow it al up big.

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San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/27 Richmond Mathewson 

> On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
>> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd
>> want
>> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
>>
>>
>
> Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!
>
> We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.
>
> Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)
>
>
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Re: iPadding around?

[Colin Holgate]

On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> and flash does not work on the iphone...

Flash doesn't work in Safari, but there are already a lot of Flash based Apps 
in the store, which is the same way it would be for Rev.


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Re: iPadding around?

[Richmond Mathewson]

Um . . . now Jobs is pushing the 'Keyboard Dock':

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/

so we cannot plug-in any-old USB keyboard - crafty buzzard, he's making 
sure that we cannot
just smoke his dope through any old pipe, we have to buy the 
Apple-branded bong!


Lots of mindless non sequiturs and thought-stopping pleasantries flying 
around as well:


I tell you what: the Edinburgh RunRev conference was one heck of a lot 
nicer: and we all
know it was also about product "pushing" [and, unlike the current thing, 
about helping attendees
leverage the new features of the new product ] but the whole thing was 
more level-headed,
more friendly, and generally Kevin and Co. did not look like people 
pushing hi-tech toys

to rich, slow-developing children.

The antidote to all this is here:

http://www.nirmaltv.com/2007/10/12/friday-fun-upcoming-apple-products/
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Re: iPadding around?

[Andre Garzia]

and flash does not work on the iphone...

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to
> an
> > XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
> > won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
> > the engine library.
>
>
> Flash doesn't work that way, and Rev's team are as smart as Adobe, aren't
> they?
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Re: iPadding around?

[Colin Holgate]

On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to an
> XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
> won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
> the engine library.


Flash doesn't work that way, and Rev's team are as smart as Adobe, aren't they?


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Re: iPadding around?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 27/01/2010 21:17, stephen barncard wrote:

Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
   


Gosh, we are 'aristocratic' aren't we!

We peasants, labouring in the basement have to "cope" with 17 inches.

Mind you, its not the size that matters, it's what . . .  :)


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Re: iPadding around?

[Andre Garzia]

because all those have little embedable libraries that you just attach to an
XCode project and boom, it builds. Until Rev has one of those things, we
won't be there. Unity will generate an XCode project with your software +
the engine library.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > >..and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> > processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.
>
>
> What is so difficult about Rev in that regard? If GameSalad, Unity, and
> Flash can all be run on iPhone and iPad, why not Rev apps?
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Re: iPadding around?

[Colin Holgate]

On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> >..and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
> processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.


What is so difficult about Rev in that regard? If GameSalad, Unity, and Flash 
can all be run on iPhone and iPad, why not Rev apps?


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Re: Windows menu bars

[zryip theSlug]

2010/1/27 J. Landman Gay :

> Thanks. It won't work for my stacks, they have too many cards each. When you
> copy a menu to a stack, you also have to place it on each card. Right now I
> have a pre-placed menu on each card, and have duplicated the menu for each
> stack, which I think is how it's often done. But I was hoping someone had a
> better idea. Or I may have to use a floating menu stack after all.

Ok. What I did not seen was that a background object is only duplicate
at the creation of a new card. Uhm ... I already imagine a client ask
me to add an object into the background of a one hundred cards stack.
Nightware!

What I do not understand now it is you're need to duplicate the menu
on each card. In a stack we can see only one card at the same time.
Why do not just place the menu when you need it on the current card?

I missed something here. I have to do some test to illuminate my mind.

> What I've done is to have zero scripts in the menubar at all. It's just a 
> bunch of empty buttons. All the stacks are run by a
> single backscript, and there is one menupick handler in there with all the 
> menu items in it (it's a pretty short menu.) That means > there is only one 
> handler to manage.

> I thought about using behaviors, but I didn't see an advantage to it in this 
> situation. Would there be one?

Behavior or other way to not have to repeat the same code. No
particular advantage with it here. Just I had it in head when I wrote.
;)

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Re: iPadding around?

[Mark Wieder]

Stephen-

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17:51 AM, you wrote:

> Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
> probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
> to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.

...and it runs an A4 processor, so until revMobile supports ARM
processors, that's the end of the line as far as rev on this thing.

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Re: iPadding around?

[stephen barncard]

Enough power, but you still gotta go through the app store. And they
probably won't let any app builders like Rev on the unit. Not that I'd want
to do any programming on the thing. I need two 23" displays these days.
-
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San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2010/1/27 Colin Holgate 

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
> >
> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/
> >
> > [doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]
>
>
> You may have written your email too soon. It can run iWork apps, not just
> Mail and Safari. I'm sure it has enough power for Rev.
>
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Re: iPadding around?

[Colin Holgate]

On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/
> 
> [doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]


You may have written your email too soon. It can run iWork apps, not just Mail 
and Safari. I'm sure it has enough power for Rev.


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iPadding around?

[Richmond Mathewson]

So, there's Jobs showing off the new Apple iPad . . .

http://live.gdgt.com/2010/01/27/live-apple-come-see-our-latest-creation-tablet-event-coverage/

[doesn't, frankly, do much for me, but there we are . . . ]

what interest me far more than the fact that I can write e-mail messages by
typing with my jammy, greasy paws all over the screen (turn-off) is what
sort of peripherals one could attach to the thing; err, keyboard, err, but
wouldn't that just make it another sort of laptop?

a sort of LARGE iPhone . . .

which makes me suspect that current RunRev builds aren't going to deliver
for this platform

presumably . . . ? . . . this will be possible with the new revMobile:

http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/overview/   

or, are we going to feel crippled for a bit? while the java folks
belt away ahead of us

[as a pedestrian school teacher I am asking this question under my
second hat of unofficial RunRev gadfly]
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 76, Issue 55

[J. Landman Gay]

Peter Haworth wrote:
I've been caught with this too so thanks for the tip. I decided to 
ALWAYS have a close button on modals.  Is there some reason why that's 
not a good idea?


No, it's a good idea. Or provide some other way to close it. The problem 
usually arises during development when you're testing a modal window but 
you forgot to include any close options yet. Then you're really stuck. 
And if you haven't saved the main stack, you can lose work.


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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 76, Issue 55

[Peter Haworth]

I've been caught with this too so thanks for the tip. I decided to  
ALWAYS have a close button on modals.  Is there some reason why that's  
not a good idea?


Pete Haworth








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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:46:04 -0600
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Subject: Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
To: How to use Revolution 
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Richard Gaskin wrote:

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd- 
Shift-

Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal


Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's  
not

available. :)


I can't tell you how many times this little trick has saved me.  
Without

it, there is no way to get out of a modal without force-quitting.

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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 27/01/2010 19:09, Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:

Hi Richard,

When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press 
Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that 
pop-up menu is the option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be 
changed to:

- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal

Ed


Yup, that works, just tried it. HOWEVER pressing 3 keys and a mouse-click
is a mug's game and there has to be something better.
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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:

When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-
Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal


Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's not 
available. :)


I can't tell you how many times this little trick has saved me. Without 
it, there is no way to get out of a modal without force-quitting.


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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Richard Gaskin]

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:

When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift-
Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the
option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:
- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal


Ah, it's an IDE thing.  Thanks.  I use my own IDE so that feature's not 
available. :)


I had worried that it was some sort of OS thing to close a dialog, which 
seemed an invitation to buggy app behaviors.  Glad to see it's not.


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Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Phil Davis]

Hi Tiemo,

I'm not sure if anyone answered your question directly, so... on my 
64-bit Win 7 machine, "the platform" returns "Win32" in Rev 4.0.


Phil Davis


On 1/27/10 5:13 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Thank you Luis,
I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
platform with Win32 :)
Tiemo
   


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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Edward D Lavieri Jr]

Hi Richard,

When you have stack open in modal mode, you can press Ctrl-Cmd-Shift- 
Click to get a pop-up menu for the stack. On that pop-up menu is the  
option "Stack Mode." From there, the mode can be changed to:

- Toplevel
- Modeless
- Palette
- Modal

Ed


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:

On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
right-clicking with the mouse.


What is that supposed to do?

I just tried it here, and I get no response clicking in either the  
content region or the drag region.


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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Richard Gaskin]

Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:

On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
right-clicking with the mouse.


What is that supposed to do?

I just tried it here, and I get no response clicking in either the 
content region or the drag region.


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AW: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thanks Ed, again learned a new shortcut on Mac :)
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Edward D Lavieri Jr
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 17:43
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> I had this problem a couple of week's ago and was given this expert
> advice by Mark S.:
> 
> On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in
> the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while
> right-clicking with the mouse.
> 
> On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right-clicking
> in the modal window.
> 
> --
> HTH,
> Ed

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Re: how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Edward D Lavieri Jr]

Tiemo,

I had this problem a couple of week's ago and was given this expert  
advice by Mark S.:


On the Mac, press control-command-shift while pressing the mouse in  
the modal window. It is also possible to press command-shift while  
right-clicking with the mouse.


On Windows and Linux, keep control-shift pressed while right-clicking  
in the modal window.


--
HTH,
Ed


On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hi,

when opening a substack modal in the IDE, how can I close it, if I  
havn't
yet implemented a close button (there are no controls in the title  
bar).


Ok on windows I can use Alt + F4, but is this the wanted and only  
way and
how do I close such a stack on Mac, or is there a rev way to close  
such a

stack? Just curious, because I have trapped me already some times.

Thanks

Tiemo







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how to close a modal stack in IDE?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi,

when opening a substack modal in the IDE, how can I close it, if I havn't
yet implemented a close button (there are no controls in the title bar).

Ok on windows I can use Alt + F4, but is this the wanted and only way and
how do I close such a stack on Mac, or is there a rev way to close such a
stack? Just curious, because I have trapped me already some times.

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: [datagrid] how to search and show the result?

[Robert Man]

Thank you Trevor. I realized just after writing that there was a find
function in your library.. so I deleted my post... but somehow it did not
work ! Thanks again for your detailed answer and hope this can benefit to
others too. Robert
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Iconify . . .

[Richmond Mathewson]

Just uploaded an annoying little stack:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/ICONISER.rev.zip

the card of which contains the following:

on mouseUp
   set the iconic of stack "ICONISER" to true
end mouseUp

on unIconifyStack
   set the iconic of stack "ICONISER" to true
end unIconifyStack

the idea WAS to make a stack that would sit in the Mac OS X dock and 
never come out . . .


no joy there,

SO, ended up with a stack that dances back and forth like a RunRev stack 
full to the

gills with some nasty narcotic . . .  :)

Questions for mages:

1. Why does the stack re-emerge from the Dock when its minimised icon is 
clicked? Presumably

 because this is an action handled by the Dock rather than the stack.

[Windows users can also become annoyed with a similar effect in the taskbar]

2. Why does the second script cause the stack to iconofy, uniconify and
then iconify again when LOGIC (ha, ha, ha) tells me this should 
only happen once?

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Re: Windows menu bars

[dfepstein]

This suggestion is late and perhaps obvious, but FWIW: 



If the task of adding a menubar to a whole bunch of cards is onerous, it may be 
worth considering bringing the card contents to the menubar.  That is, create a 
"viewer" (or even "editer") stack that includes the menubar, and 
"faux-navigate" among the source cards by successively copying and deleting 
their content from your viewer/editer stack.  The merits of this depend on the 
relative complexity of the menu and the card content; it is certainly easiest 
to implement if each card's content is a single group. 



David Epstein 







I need to open multiple documents that share the same menu bar. On Mac I 
can just set the default menubar. What do most of you do for Windows? 
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Re: Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?

[Richard Gaskin]

Andre Rombauts wrote:

How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a
window to display icons in it?...


The title bar of a window is governed by the OS, and it outside of the 
stack region which begins below it.


If you need a custom title bar you could consider setting the 
decorations of the stack to empty, and making your own controls at the 
top for dragging, closing, minimizing, etc., where you could add 
anything else you want.


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Enlarging the height of the title bar zone?

[Andre Rombauts]

How do I need to proceed if I want to enlarge the title bar zone of a  
window to display icons in it?...


Thanks in advance...

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Re: [datagrid] how to search and show the result?

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Robert Man wrote:

I built a simple list using datagrids, all goes fine. I chose to  
store data
in the dg cache. Except, that in any text application, you'd expect  
the find

command to work and display the results.

Currently, the standard IDE search finds a test word in the dg cache  
of the

datagrid. that's about it.

If any of you has an idea on how to implement searching and showing  
in a

datagrid.. or maybe this issue will be covered in a later version of
datagrids? thanks, Robert


Hi  Robert,

You can use FindIndex/FindLine for exact match searching:



An example:

dispatch "FindLine" to group "DataGrid" with "MyColumn", "String To  
Find"

put the result into theLine

For partial matches you have to write any search routines yourself.

If you are display data from a database then you would perform the  
search using SQL and then update the data in the Data Grid.


To search the Data Grid data you can extract the dgText/dgData,  
perform the find, determine which column and line/index the found  
result is located in  and then select it.


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Re: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Björnke von Gierke]

On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:25, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?

That depends on several things.

If it's a 64-bit binary (aka. not runrev) then it's quite a lot (more then 99% 
of the people have installed, including hard disk caching).

If it's a 32 cocoa app, there's a limit of shortly below 4 gb. However, os x 32 
bit libraries have tricks to expand that, and if rev uses one of those, then 
it's more like never ending.

I have yet to encounter any user-run program that _needs_ more then 4 gb of 
ram. 3D games are famous for using gigantic amounts of ram and hard disk space 
(mostly for the textures). Many of those need at least 2 gb of ram, but work 
better with 4 gb (they also need at least 10 gb hd space). Other ram-heavy 
applications are image-, sound- or video-editing, and special kinds of 
databases. Some servers also use large amount of ram, most of them real time 
stuff (ie. milliseconds trading) or web crawlers. 

If you are not developing one of those examples, the general rule for ram 
demand these days is:

You do not need to care.

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Re: AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 27/01/2010 15:13, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Thank you Luis,
I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
platform with Win32 :)
Tiemo

   

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:00
An: How to use Revolution
Betreff: Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

Hiya,

Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that
it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit
version).
 


Do you know how much RAM a Mac OS X program can address?


Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now
offer 64 bit versions.

Unless your question relates to something else...

Cheers,

Luis.

 
   


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AW: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Thank you Luis,
I just wanted to get sure not to exclude 64 Bit Users when selecting the
platform with Win32 :)
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Januar 2010 12:00
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that
> it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit
> version).
> Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now
> offer 64 bit versions.
> 
> Unless your question relates to something else...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 


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RE: Is a file an image?

[Jim Bufalini]

I just love seeing solutions like this. ;-)

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini


Jan Schenkel wrote:
> 
> David Bovill wrote:
> > I've just dug out this very old and
> > pretty untested script for detecting
> > whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX -
> > included here for
> > insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?
> >
> 
> Why go through the trouble of checking the extension and the content of
> the file, when you can let Rev decide if it supports that particular
> file as a valid image? :-)
> 
> Make a new stack with a button with the following script:
> ##
> on mouseUp
>answer file "Pick an image file"
>if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
>answer "Is a supported image format:" && IsAnImageFile(it)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function IsAnImageFile pFilePath
>local tIsAnImageFile
>--
>lock screen
>create image
>set the filename of the last image to pFilePath
>--> if the set fails, the result will tell you
>put (the result is empty) into tIsAnImageFile
>delete the last image
>return tIsAnImageFile
> end IsAnImageFile
> ##
> 
> Click the button, select an image file, and it should be 'true' -
> select a Word document or something else that is definitely not an
> image, and yous should see 'false'.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jan Schenkel
> =
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
> 
> 
> =
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> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Is a file an image?

[Jan Schenkel]

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, David Bovill  wrote:
> I've just dug out this very old and
> pretty untested script for detecting
> whether a file is an image. Seems to sort of work on OSX -
> included here for
> insiration :) Does anyone know a better way to do this?
> 

Why go through the trouble of checking the extension and the content of the 
file, when you can let Rev decide if it supports that particular file as a 
valid image? :-)

Make a new stack with a button with the following script:
##
on mouseUp
   answer file "Pick an image file"
   if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
   answer "Is a supported image format:" && IsAnImageFile(it)
end mouseUp

function IsAnImageFile pFilePath
   local tIsAnImageFile
   --
   lock screen
   create image
   set the filename of the last image to pFilePath
   --> if the set fails, the result will tell you
   put (the result is empty) into tIsAnImageFile
   delete the last image
   return tIsAnImageFile
end IsAnImageFile
##

Click the button, select an image file, and it should be 'true' - select a Word 
document or something else that is definitely not an image, and yous should see 
'false'.

Cheers,

Jan Schenkel
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Re: Is a file an image?

[Richmond Mathewson]

On 27/01/2010 12:49, David Bovill wrote:

Thanks for the link Malte - seems possible but quite a bit of work. Works
now on OSX, so I'll come back to it later for the cross platform stuff,.

2010/1/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill

   

Taking a quick glimpse at Wikipedia suggests this should be pretty
straightforward:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29#Magic_numbers_in_files

 


Well, not perhaps as straightforward as one might expect as things seem 
to 'screw up' for
JPEGs and one needs a vast list of Magic Numbers for all the myriad 
image formats

around.

Notwithstanding all that here is a fairly silly proof-of-concept stack I 
just popped together:


http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/FILECHEX.rev.zip

not rocket science, but is does seem to show a way forward.

ALL the code is in the button.

sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: PNG's, alphadata and maskdata

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm chopping up a some png's that have transparent backgrounds using Rev, by
> getting areas of the image using the imagedata, creating new images and then
> exporting these cut-outs. I've got a few questions about images, masks and
> alpha channels:
> 
>- To re-create a PNG - do I ned to worry about maskdata - or just copy
>over the imagedata and the alphadata then export?

Generally, PNG would use image/alphaData, but also remember that you can
transfer both properties in one pass by using the text property (odd, yes,
but that's what does it):

  set the text of img 1 to the text of img 2


>- Which of the image file formats supported by Rev support alphadata?

PNG.


>- Is maskdata used as a part of any image format?

Since maskData is transparency that is only on or off, I believe it's only
suitable for GIF and possibly 8 bit PNG (a PNG that contains no more than
256 colors).


>- What happens when I apply maskdata or alphadata to images displayed in
>Rev that do not support these features?

I believe they will be converted to PNG format.  I seem to recall hearing
that any time an image is manipulated within Rev, it gets converted to PNG
format.  Not sure if anything has changed with Rev 4.5

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: The seconds and time zones

[Bernard Devlin]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:27 PM, stephen barncard
 wrote:
> Did anyone comment on Mark Waddingham's time solution using iRev?
>
> http://runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue71/newsletter2.php
>
> I thought it was brilliant.

I didn't see that.  Unless I'm mistaken, it's restricted to running on
Linux.  It may work on OS X also, but it looks like it wouldn't work
on Windows.

Bernard
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Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application

[David Bovill]

2010/1/27 Alejandro Tejada 

David Bovill-3 wrote:
> >
> > I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and
> > provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have.
> >
>
> According to your description, this code looks like
> the startpoint for a commercial application for
> wiki administrators. ;-)
>

Yes - I thought of that though more in the line of a very good way of
getting the revWeb Plugin used by lots of people.


> David, Could you create code that:
>
> Verify (for a user selected list of articles) if offline XML Wikitext is
> not identical to online XML Wikitext, then download news XMLs,
> compress them as gzip and save a file to a folder in writable media?
>

Yes - I think all of that is pretty much there. The only question would be
 the format of the XML. I mainly use the wikitext format, so I'd have to get
my head around how you / the project want it packaged.

A more advanced version could just store a diff between these
> two XML Wikitext.
>

Yes - I use git for that to store a versioned file system locally, and allow
sharing between users horizontally.


> Your code could work as a "deliberately slow" mechanism to update
> Wikis XML databases.
>

 Yes - though I see a greater use in creating forks of WikiPedia for
specific uses (teaching for instance).

Notice that Wikipedia have warned against creating applications that
> download too many pages in a short time frame.
>
> Many thanks for offering your help for this project!
>

Happy to work on it / contribute what I can.
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Re: is the platform on 64bit windows systems also win32?

[Luis]

Hiya,

Windows on both. The main difference with the 64 bit version is that  
it can address more than 3.5GB of RAM (the ceiling on the 32 bit  
version).
Other than that there are issues with device drivers, but most now  
offer 64 bit versions.


Unless your question relates to something else...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 26 Jan 2010, at 17:15, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hi,



I just wonder if this is actually so, as stated above? Actually I  
havn't

thought about this up to now and just got a bit unsure, because I also
haven't found an answer in the archives.



Can anybody confirm my presumption because I don't have a 64Bit  
system on

hand.



Thank you

Tiemo







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PNG's, alphadata and maskdata

[David Bovill]

I'm chopping up a some png's that have transparent backgrounds using Rev, by
getting areas of the image using the imagedata, creating new images and then
exporting these cut-outs. I've got a few questions about images, masks and
alpha channels:

   - To re-create a PNG - do I ned to worry about maskdata - or just copy
   over the imagedata and the alphadata then export?
   - Which of the image file formats supported by Rev support alphadata?
   - Is maskdata used as a part of any image format?
   - What happens when I apply maskdata or alphadata to images displayed in
   Rev that do not support these features?

I'm working on these questions now - so I'll try to answer some of them as I
go along :)
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Re: Is a file an image?

[David Bovill]

Thanks for the link Malte - seems possible but quite a bit of work. Works
now on OSX, so I'll come back to it later for the cross platform stuff,.

2010/1/27 Malte Pfaff-Brill 

> Taking a quick glimpse at Wikipedia suggests this should be pretty
> straightforward:
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29#Magic_numbers_in_files
>
> Cheers,
>
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