Re: Why do human have appendices?

2010-04-22 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson 
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


 However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has been
 removed.

 An approach that has never seemed to hurt Apple, though many predictions to
the contrary. Whilst many would suggest that one of MicroSoft's  errors with
Vista's was to doggedly attempt that very feat.
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:52 AM, J. Landman Gay
jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:

 Am I really conversing with a slug? (Slime sliiime sliimmme Zryip!)

 As far as we know, yes. At least, he's never told us any different. He's a
 very friendly slug in any case, I'd definitely trust him in my strawberry
 patch.

 Interesting, I've always thought of him as an imperial unit of mass, but
hey, I figured anyone who uses sliie must be a Heather not a Graham ;-)

But, back to topic. Have you tried downloading a Rev built app and running
that. Thereby eliminating your installation of Rev as the culprit.

Try a demo download of InfoWallet:

http://www.infowallet.com/

(picked only because the screen shots indicate there are scroll bars)

With nothing else running on your system, if these scroll bars work
correctly then it would tend to indicate that a clean Rev Engine behaves
properly and something in your installation of Rev is wrong. If it doesn't
work, then something installed on your Mac, probably Rev related, must be
incompatible. I say that because if it weren't the case Bill Vlahos would
have had thousands of complaints that his program has a non-standard GUI.

HTH
PS Sorry Bill if I underestimated the number of Mac users ;-)
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Icon poor in Windows Vista

2010-04-22 Thread David Glasgow
I have followed the various advice on the list, including using Icofx. 

My icon looks good on Mac, good on XP but oddly small and pixelated on Vista.  
It doesn't actuially look like any of the versions built into the icon..

Any ideas?

David Glasgow

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Re: Why do human have appendices?

2010-04-22 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 22/04/2010 09:30, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com  wrote:


However, RunRev seems not to have an appendix to repopulate what has been
removed.

An approach that has never seemed to hurt Apple, though many predictions to

the contrary. Whilst many would suggest that one of MicroSoft's  errors with
Vista's was to doggedly attempt that very feat.


I wonder how long until Steve Jobs agrees to the iPad having a reverse 
appendectomy?

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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread Graham Heather Harrison

On 22/04/2010, at 5:01 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

  but hey, I figured anyone who uses sliie must be a Heather not a Graham 
 ;-)

Out by one m and 180º.

 Try a demo download of InfoWallet:
 http://www.infowallet.com/
 If it doesn't work, then something installed on your Mac, probably Rev 
 related, must be
 incompatible.

Thanks. That has defined the area of the problem; looking for a black rock in a 
coal cellar without a light - but at least I know I'm in the right 
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Re: Datagrid sorting

2010-04-22 Thread Marcello Bertoli
Hi Andre,

thank you very much for your answer. I tried your code but it doesn't do the 
job. It is like pushing the column header of the datagrid two times (first the 
number one and the the date one).

My data come from a sql base so I can (as Steven said) make the query do the 
work of the multiple sorting before loading into the datagrid but I'm scared 
about performances when it comes to manage hundreds of thousands of data. In 
this scenario I need to retrieve data from the sql base and then populate the 
datagrid every time I need to sort the rows without the data I already have in 
the datagrid. This means more traffic over the network and multiple populations 
of the datagrid...

Best regards
Marcello



On 21/apr/2010, at 19.33, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

 I think yes! Assuming for instance you want the dates sorted from the oldest 
 down to the more recent
 and then, for each date, the numbers should be sorted from the smaller down 
 to the greater
 you should sort the numbers column first then the dates' column.
 Something like that:
 
 on mouseUp
 ##setting the sort type value for each column
   set the dgColumnSortType[date] of grp datagrid 1 to system dateTime
   set the dgColumnSortType[number] of grp datagrid 1 to numeric
   set the dgColumnSortType[title] of grp datagrid 1 to text
 ## making sure the two columns will have the same sortDirection if necessary
   set the dgColumnSortDirection[date] of grp datagrid 1 to ascending
   set the dgColumnSortDirection[number] of grp datagrid 1 to ascending
 ## sort number first then date
   dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with number
   dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with date
 end mouseUp
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/4/22 J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com:
 The best way to check pending messages is in the message box (I think that's
 probably what our slug meant.) The fifth icon from the left is the pending
 message queue. Normally you won't see anything there unless you're viewing
 the UI messages. It's normal to see those. If you do see any pending
 messages that are not in the UI, see if you can copy and paste them here.

Yes I thought to the message box when I wrote my few lines, thanks to
have corrected me ;)
Message box and message watcher give good clues how events are trapped
and performs in Runrev.

2010/4/22 Graham  Heather Harrison c...@nosirrah.com:
 Am I really conversing with a slug? (Slime sliiime sliimmme Zryip!)

Yes, yes ;) What a privilege no? I'm a kind of ambassador, hahaha 8-)

2010/4/22 J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com:
 As far as we know, yes. At least, he's never told us any different. He's a
 very friendly slug in any case, I'd definitely trust him in my strawberry
 patch.

Thanks Jacque to welcome me in your  garden ;)
Of course I'm a friendly slug but take some precaution like :
- don't give me salad after midnight
- don't throw me water
- and don't approach me with a shovel

8-)

-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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Re: [OT] Flash - Open Source

2010-04-22 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 21/04/2010 10:45, David Bovill wrote:

This is an example of one of the open source projects that sprung up
after Adobe launched it's open source strategy, there are other great
ones like Flixl. It's an example of the sort of benefits we'd get if
RunRev adopted a proactive open source marketing strategy of this
sort. Note the license attached to the code is GPL.



Methinks nobody is listening . . .  :(


On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:26, Richmond Mathewsonrichmondmathew...@gmail.com
wrote:


Well worth a look:

http://flowplayer.org/index.html


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Re: Why do human have appendices?

2010-04-22 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 I wonder how long until Steve Jobs agrees to the iPad having
 a reverse appendectomy?

In some ways it already has:
http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1271027459.853063

:)

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Re: Why do human have appendices?

2010-04-22 Thread René Micout
YES Richard ! It is the same thing !
René

Le 22 avr. 2010 à 15:16, Richard Gaskin a écrit :
 
 In some ways it already has:
 http://revjournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1271027459.853063

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Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread charles61

I have trying to devise a script to disable a Save menu item when the user is
on a certain card. My project has two sections: Student and adult. I want to
disable the Save Menu for Adult when the user is on a student card. I tried
the following and variants of it but I get an error message when I try to
compile the code:

button File: compilation error at line 108 (Expression: double binary
operator) near is, char 13

Here is my code in the menu bar:

 case Save File for Student
 if card is adult
 then 
disable menuItem 2 of button File of group menubar 1
 end if

I have checked the RevList archives but found nothing that would help me
with this problem! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

File (with quotes)

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 15:59 heeft charles61 het volgende geschreven:



I have trying to devise a script to disable a Save menu item when  
the user is
on a certain card. My project has two sections: Student and adult. I  
want to
disable the Save Menu for Adult when the user is on a student card.  
I tried
the following and variants of it but I get an error message when I  
try to

compile the code:

button File: compilation error at line 108 (Expression: double  
binary

operator) near is, char 13

Here is my code in the menu bar:

case Save File for Student
if card is adult
then
   disable menuItem 2 of button File of group menubar 1
end if


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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread charles61

Mark,

Thanks for your suggestion! I tried File before and I got the same error 
message. Nevertheless, I tried it again, and got the same error message.

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




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 Op 22 apr 2010, om 15:59 heeft charles61 het volgende geschreven: 
 
  
  I have trying to devise a script to disable a Save menu item when   
  the user is 
  on a certain card. My project has two sections: Student and adult. I   
  want to 
  disable the Save Menu for Adult when the user is on a student card.   
  I tried 
  the following and variants of it but I get an error message when I   
  try to 
  compile the code: 
  
  button File: compilation error at line 108 (Expression: double   
  binary 
  operator) near is, char 13 
  
  Here is my code in the menu bar: 
  
  case Save File for Student 
  if card is adult 
  then 
 disable menuItem 2 of button File of group menubar 1 
  end if
 
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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

Charles,

Card is just card. You need to tell Rev whether you want to compare  
the short name of the long id etc. In this case, you want the short  
name of the (current?) card.


I would strongly recommend not to use reserved words as variable names.

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 16:06 heeft charles61 het volgende geschreven:



Mark,

Thanks for your suggestion! I tried File before and I got the same  
error message. Nevertheless, I tried it again, and got the same  
error message.


Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread charles61

Mark,

I worked out my problem. I put my code in the openCard handler for each section 
with changes for the student and adult sections.

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




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 Op 22 apr 2010, om 15:59 heeft charles61 het volgende geschreven: 
 
  
  I have trying to devise a script to disable a Save menu item when   
  the user is 
  on a certain card. My project has two sections: Student and adult. I   
  want to 
  disable the Save Menu for Adult when the user is on a student card.   
  I tried 
  the following and variants of it but I get an error message when I   
  try to 
  compile the code: 
  
  button File: compilation error at line 108 (Expression: double   
  binary 
  operator) near is, char 13 
  
  Here is my code in the menu bar: 
  
  case Save File for Student 
  if card is adult 
  then 
 disable menuItem 2 of button File of group menubar 1 
  end if
 
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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread DunbarX
Charles.

I think what Mark is trying to say to you is that your line has to read:

   if the name of this card is adult 

Craig Newman
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Re: Disabling a Save menu item

2010-04-22 Thread charles61

Thanks Craig and Mark!

I worked out my problem. I had the handler in the wrong place. After I moved
to an openCard handler for both sections and made the appropriate changes,
everything works fine! 
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Re: Is there a maximum data size for groups?

2010-04-22 Thread Jonathan Lynch
I got it working without eating all my RAM. This is for a faerie tale
editing program. Each story is contained in a group, and each page is a
subgroup of the main group.

To save a story, I have it copy each page/subgroup to the saving stack, but
then delete that page from the editing application right after it does that.
This way, it does not have to hold two copies of all 400 MB worth of data.

I also had to make sure it turns images that are not currently being viewed
invisible. That keeps the RAM usage down by a good bit.

It prolly woulda been simpler to just buy more RAM.

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 This list is never dull!
 Phil Davis



 On 4/17/10 9:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

  On 17/04/2010 19:17, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 Richmond Mathewson wrote:

  On 17/04/2010 18:47, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I think you must be right that I am using up my RAM.

 Drat, this is gonna be a pain in the bahonkus.

 One pain in the bahonkus now is probably
 better than a whole slew of pains in the
 bahonkus later on . . .  :)


 Oh so true. In one project right now, due to a lack of foresight, I can
 hardly sit down.


 Hmm; that's interesting - I was wondering exactly where the bahonkus was:
 not being a
 North American - we Europeans have different anatomy . . .   :)

 All right; we use different euphemistic terms for the same bits of anatomy
 . . .

 -


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Problem in Multi line string (via Socket)

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
HI, when I use multi line string to (connect java through Socket), it write
first line to java but not write second and other lines.

When I comment first line then java read second line and display the result
against that one.

 

How can I use multi line string (via socket )

 

write 1 line read   return to socket tSocket

write 2 line read   return to socket tSocket

.

.

.

 

 

Regards,

shani

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If else statment is not working

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
If then else statement is not working.

 

 

 

write XYZ   return to socket tSocket 

 


if XYZ  then 

 


click at the loc of btn StartXYZ

 


else ABC  then 

 


 click at the loc of btn StartShani

 


  end if

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Re: If else statment is not working

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

Shani,

else ABC  then

should be

else if ABC then

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 18:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:


If then else statement is not working.







write XYZ   return to socket tSocket




if XYZ  then




click at the loc of btn StartXYZ




else ABC  then




click at the loc of btn StartShani




 end if


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Re: Problem in Multi line string (via Socket)

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

Shani,

write 1 line read  cr  2 line read  cr to socket tSocket

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 18:02 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:

HI, when I use multi line string to (connect java through Socket),  
it write

first line to java but not write second and other lines.

When I comment first line then java read second line and display the  
result

against that one.



How can I use multi line string (via socket )



write 1 line read   return to socket tSocket

write 2 line read   return to socket tSocket

.

.

.





Regards,

shani



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Re: Record Audio in Rev on Linux OS?

2010-04-22 Thread John Patten

Thanks for the suggestion Peter!

As for how to go about doing what you described in Linux, I'm at a loss.

I have no experience using Rev and Shell scripts in Linux. The reason  
why I am interested is that I working on a little utility that allows  
students to record an audio response and then ftp the resulting audio  
file to a server. This works fine on my Mac, and I presume it will on  
Windows too (though have not tested extensively yet).


We have recently begun using Netbooks running Ubuntu Remix with our  
students (about 600 of them currently). We do have Audacity on them  
for recording audio, among a whole collection of other great software  
tools.


I would like to be able to get my little utility to work on the  
Netbooks too. I have looked up krecord and hunted some discussion  
lists related to command line commands for this tool.


I don't see too much in the area of command line language for  
Audacity, so I'm guessing we will have to use krecord or ALSA. These  
laptops do have ALSA arecord and aplay and I do see an example in man  
for arecord:


arecord -d 10 -f cd -t wav -D copy foobar.wav

(I'm guessing in the example above, I would need to give the complete  
path when saving the foobar.wav file. Something like ~/home/student/ 
foobar.wav )


I have never done anything like this with Rev before and need some  
direction. I'm guessing that I'm going to need to create a function  
that will contain the shell script and then call it from a button when  
I want to record...? But I don't have a clue what it would look like???


Does someone have a simple example stack I can pick apart?

Thank you!

John Patten






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Dunno about Rev directly, but you can go out to shell, and then use  
the Linux
command line tools.  The easiest gui recording tool is krecord, but  
there

are lots of non-gui ones.  Use zenity to get a gui for them.  Then when
you've captured the file, go out to the shell again to play it.  Or  
maybe
this is what you were trying to avoid?  Most things that Rev cannot do  
can

be done in the shell.
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Re: Datagrid sorting

2010-04-22 Thread Andre . Bisseret


Le 22 avr. 10 à 11:38, Marcello Bertoli a écrit :


Hi Andre,

thank you very much for your answer. I tried your code but it  
doesn't do the job. It is like pushing the column header of the  
datagrid two times (first the number one and the the date one).


Bonjour Marcello,

Sorry, I had read your question too quickly. Did not noticed you would  
like to start from a click on the header (so went as if it would be  
from a button)
I am quite sure what you want is possible; (sure also that Trevor will  
help on that ;-))


Excited by the problem, I am trying to find a solution but up to now  
without any success. I don't find out how to get the name of the  
clicked column' header (except in the sort command itself)
the dgColumn of the target returns the name but not when clicking on  
the header (only when clicking on a a row in a column.


Looking forward getting a solution

Best regards from Grenoble

André


My data come from a sql base so I can (as Steven said) make the  
query do the work of the multiple sorting before loading into the  
datagrid but I'm scared about performances when it comes to manage  
hundreds of thousands of data. In this scenario I need to retrieve  
data from the sql base and then populate the datagrid every time I  
need to sort the rows without the data I already have in the  
datagrid. This means more traffic over the network and multiple  
populations of the datagrid...


Best regards
Marcello



On 21/apr/2010, at 19.33, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

I think yes! Assuming for instance you want the dates sorted from  
the oldest down to the more recent
and then, for each date, the numbers should be sorted from the  
smaller down to the greater

you should sort the numbers column first then the dates' column.
Something like that:

on mouseUp
##setting the sort type value for each column
 set the dgColumnSortType[date] of grp datagrid 1 to system  
dateTime

 set the dgColumnSortType[number] of grp datagrid 1 to numeric
 set the dgColumnSortType[title] of grp datagrid 1 to text
## making sure the two columns will have the same sortDirection if  
necessary
 set the dgColumnSortDirection[date] of grp datagrid 1 to  
ascending
 set the dgColumnSortDirection[number] of grp datagrid 1 to  
ascending

## sort number first then date
 dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with number
 dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with date
end mouseUp

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position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
How can i set the position of an object through script.

 

Like in object property profile. We set size and position (location).

 

How can I set the value like 

 

Position of ball x243 and y= 22

 

Object start from that position

 

Regards,

SHANI

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Send positions through Socket

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
HI, 

 

Can i send the position of an object 

X axis and y axis through Socket to other Program.

Like we send a string in this way 

 

write field Outputs to socket 127.0.0.0:21

 

 

Regards,

SHANI

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Re: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Shani,

You might want to search the dictionary for location. You also might  
want to search for width and height.


You also will want to know that you can change almost all properties  
of objects with the set command.


Spending an evening with the documentation will definitely be very  
useful. Reading the messages on this list would help you too.


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Op 22 apr 2010, om 19:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:


How can i set the position of an object through script.



Like in object property profile. We set size and position (location).



How can I set the value like



Position of ball x243 and y= 22



Object start from that position



Regards,

SHANI



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Re: Sending a message to multiple objects

2010-04-22 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks Mark and Sarah, Sounds like just what I need.  How do I find  
this on RevOnline?  I searched for MVC but nothing came up.


Pete Haworth

On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:01 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com  
wrote:


Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:08:43 -0700
From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net
Subject: Re: Sending a message to multiple objects
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: 88665347421.20100421200...@ahsoftware.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Sarah-

Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 4:18:27 PM, you wrote:


There was an MVC demo stack doing the rounds a couple of years ago. I
think it used something similar to this where controls registered
their interest and then all registered controls got the specified
messages. I forget who wrote the stack, but a search for MVC.rev
might turn up something. Or maybe the original author could step in
here before my vague memories cause too much confusion :-)


Um... yeah... that would be me. I believe the library and demo stack
might be on revOnline (can't check at the moment), but I'll repost it
if it's not. I originally thought that what I was presenting was an
MVC construct, but David Bovill convinced me otherwise. It *does*
implement the publish-and-subscribe pattern whereby you can register
controls' interest in receiving messages from any or from specific
other controls.

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Re: If else statment is not working

2010-04-22 Thread Peter Brigham MD

You wrote:


write XYZ   return to socket tSocket
if XYZ  then
   click at the loc of btn StartXYZ
else ABC  then
   click at the loc of btn StartShani
end if


If-then statements will evaluate the condition tokens as true or false  
and proceed accordingly. So in evaluating your line:


if XYZ then...

the engine will look at XYZ, which is a literal string, and find  
that this string does not evaluate to true and then go to:


else if ABC then
(inserting the extra if, as Mark suggests)

and find that ABC does not evaluate to true, and thus nothing will  
happen. What you need is something like:


if myVariable = XYZ  then
   click at the loc of btn StartXYZ
else if myVariable = ABC then
   click at the loc of btn StartShani
end if

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Shani,

else ABC  then

should be

else if ABC then

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 18:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:


If then else statement is not working.







write XYZ   return to socket tSocket




if XYZ  then




click at the loc of btn StartXYZ




else ABC  then




click at the loc of btn StartShani




end if


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RE: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
I use this 
set the location of amir to 350,200
but it give error
execution error at line n/a (Chunk: error in object expression) near
aamir, char 1

-Original Message-
From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Schonewille
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:28 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)

Hi Shani,

You might want to search the dictionary for location. You also might  
want to search for width and height.

You also will want to know that you can change almost all properties  
of objects with the set command.

Spending an evening with the documentation will definitely be very  
useful. Reading the messages on this list would help you too.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 19:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:

 How can i set the position of an object through script.



 Like in object property profile. We set size and position (location).



 How can I set the value like



 Position of ball x243 and y= 22



 Object start from that position



 Regards,

 SHANI


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Re: Datagrid sorting

2010-04-22 Thread Andre.Bisseret

Marcello,

Seems this one might be working as you expected (?)

-- in the script of the dataGrid: ---

local hcColumn,theColumn
---
on mouseDown
   put the dgHeaderControl of the mouseControl into hcColumn
   if hcColumn is not empty then
  put the dgColumn of the target into theColumn
  if theColumn is date then
 dispatch sortByColumn to the target with date
 wait 1 sec
 set the dgColumnSortDirection[number] of the target to  
ascending -- may be not necessary

 dispatch sortByColumn to the target with number
  end if
   end if
end mouseDown
--

best
André




Le 22 avr. 10 à 11:38, Marcello Bertoli a écrit :


Hi Andre,

thank you very much for your answer. I tried your code but it  
doesn't do the job. It is like pushing the column header of the  
datagrid two times (first the number one and the the date one).


My data come from a sql base so I can (as Steven said) make the  
query do the work of the multiple sorting before loading into the  
datagrid but I'm scared about performances when it comes to manage  
hundreds of thousands of data. In this scenario I need to retrieve  
data from the sql base and then populate the datagrid every time I  
need to sort the rows without the data I already have in the  
datagrid. This means more traffic over the network and multiple  
populations of the datagrid...


Best regards
Marcello



On 21/apr/2010, at 19.33, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

I think yes! Assuming for instance you want the dates sorted from  
the oldest down to the more recent
and then, for each date, the numbers should be sorted from the  
smaller down to the greater

you should sort the numbers column first then the dates' column.
Something like that:

on mouseUp
##setting the sort type value for each column
 set the dgColumnSortType[date] of grp datagrid 1 to system  
dateTime

 set the dgColumnSortType[number] of grp datagrid 1 to numeric
 set the dgColumnSortType[title] of grp datagrid 1 to text
## making sure the two columns will have the same sortDirection if  
necessary
 set the dgColumnSortDirection[date] of grp datagrid 1 to  
ascending
 set the dgColumnSortDirection[number] of grp datagrid 1 to  
ascending

## sort number first then date
 dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with number
 dispatch sortByColumn to grp datagrid 1 with date
end mouseUp

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Re: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread DunbarX
When you set the loc of an object, you have to explicitly name the object. 
Amir could be anything. You have to say, for example :

set the loc of button amir to...
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Property Profiles and revSetStackFileProfile - Issue

2010-04-22 Thread Fabrice Muller
Hello All,

Has someone already tried to used Property Profiles for multi-language 
management and revSetStackFileProfile for changing the profile ?

Are this property and function working well in all case ?
I tried to used for multi language part of my application, but many times 
properties disappear or doesn't work.
The revSetStackFileProfile doesn't seem to work and change how application is 
working.

Thanks for your feedback, Fabrice

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Re: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Shani,

Amir is a string, not an object description. Object descriptions (or  
object references or object expressions) look like:


field x
field Address
the long id of fld Address
button 52 of card Settings of stack Preferences
stack Special Dialog of stack Main Project

et cetera.

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Op 22 apr 2010, om 20:28 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:


I use this
set the location of amir to 350,200
but it give error
execution error at line n/a (Chunk: error in object expression) near
aamir, char 1

-Original Message-
From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Schonewille
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:28 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)

Hi Shani,

You might want to search the dictionary for location. You also might
want to search for width and height.

You also will want to know that you can change almost all properties
of objects with the set command.

Spending an evening with the documentation will definitely be very
useful. Reading the messages on this list would help you too.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at
http://www.twistaword.net

Op 22 apr 2010, om 19:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:


How can i set the position of an object through script.



Like in object property profile. We set size and position (location).



How can I set the value like



Position of ball x243 and y= 22



Object start from that position



Regards,

SHANI


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Re: ANN: PopUp Menu with Key-Combination Shortcuts

2010-04-22 Thread Roger Guay
Thanks very much, I'll change it! Forgive me for asking, but should we refer to 
you as TheSlug?

Cheers,
Roger Guay

On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:01 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Hi Roger,
 
 Interesting demo, thanks for sharing ;)
 
 Instead of the repeat loop to look for the correct item:
 
 on controlKeyDown theKey
   set itemdelimiter to tab
 
 repeat for the number of lines of btn popupMenu -- Menu items are
 the lines of the Popup btn
   add 1 to theNum
   if last char of line theNum of btn popupMenu = theKey then \
   put item 1 of line theNum of btn PopupMenu  into fld Rfld
 end repeat
 
   pass controlKeyDown
 end controlKeyDown
 
 
 You may use the lineOffset function like this:
 
 get lineOffset(ctrl+  theKey,btn popupMenu)
 if (it is 0) then
  put Nothing into fld Rfld
 else
  put item 1 of line it of btn PopupMenu  into fld Rfld
 end if
 
 Just a suggestion to facilitate the work of Revolution ;)
 
 
 Regards,
 -- 
 -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
 http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc

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RE: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Shani
Thanks Mark, 
According to your guide line this task done through this command

   set the location of graphic ID 1026 to 350,200

now how can I use this through Socket.

Like 
  write XYZ   return to socket tSocket
--this write string to java through Socket

like these position to socket on JAVA.

Reagrads,
SHANI



-Original Message-
From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Schonewille
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:58 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)

Hi Shani,

Amir is a string, not an object description. Object descriptions (or  
object references or object expressions) look like:

field x
field Address
the long id of fld Address
button 52 of card Settings of stack Preferences
stack Special Dialog of stack Main Project

et cetera.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at
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Op 22 apr 2010, om 20:28 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:

 I use this
 set the location of amir to 350,200
 but it give error
 execution error at line n/a (Chunk: error in object expression) near
 aamir, char 1

 -Original Message-
 From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
 [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark
 Schonewille
 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:28 PM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)

 Hi Shani,

 You might want to search the dictionary for location. You also might
 want to search for width and height.

 You also will want to know that you can change almost all properties
 of objects with the set command.

 Spending an evening with the documentation will definitely be very
 useful. Reading the messages on this list would help you too.

 --
 Best regards,

 Mark Schonewille

 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

 We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at
 http://www.twistaword.net

 Op 22 apr 2010, om 19:04 heeft Shani het volgende geschreven:

 How can i set the position of an object through script.



 Like in object property profile. We set size and position (location).



 How can I set the value like



 Position of ball x243 and y= 22



 Object start from that position



 Regards,

 SHANI

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[OT] Bing; a Microsoft Ramp?

2010-04-22 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 Should I have been surprised?

Probably not.

I have just searched for some Linux software,

followed by a search for some Macintosh software,

and all the results consist of Windows software.

Of course 'Bing' (perhaps better to call it either 'Bling'
or 'Blag') is owned by Microsoft; so it really is not
entirely surprising, knowing their track record, to
find them using it to PUSH.
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Re: ANN: PopUp Menu with Key-Combination Shortcuts

2010-04-22 Thread Andre Garzia
Personally, inside my head, I refer to him as Zryip (pronounced Zeerip in
portuguese)...

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Roger Guay i...@mac.com wrote:

 Thanks very much, I'll change it! Forgive me for asking, but should we
 refer to you as TheSlug?

 Cheers,
 Roger Guay

 On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:01 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.comwrote:

  Hi Roger,
 
  Interesting demo, thanks for sharing ;)
 
  Instead of the repeat loop to look for the correct item:
 
  on controlKeyDown theKey
set itemdelimiter to tab
 
  repeat for the number of lines of btn popupMenu -- Menu items are
  the lines of the Popup btn
add 1 to theNum
if last char of line theNum of btn popupMenu = theKey then \
put item 1 of line theNum of btn PopupMenu  into fld Rfld
  end repeat
 
pass controlKeyDown
  end controlKeyDown
 
 
  You may use the lineOffset function like this:
 
  get lineOffset(ctrl+  theKey,btn popupMenu)
  if (it is 0) then
   put Nothing into fld Rfld
  else
   put item 1 of line it of btn PopupMenu  into fld Rfld
  end if
 
  Just a suggestion to facilitate the work of Revolution ;)
 
 
  Regards,
  --
  -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
  http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc

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Re: Send positions through Socket

2010-04-22 Thread Mark Talluto
Hi Shani,

You could send any kind of data you like through sockets (text as well as 
binary).  You just need to know what to do with it on the other end.  So you 
might send the data in a form like:  rect81,90,534,123/rect
On the receiving end you would parse that message out and set the rect of the 
object there.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com





On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Shani wrote:

 HI, 
 
 
 
 Can i send the position of an object 
 
 X axis and y axis through Socket to other Program.
 
 Like we send a string in this way 
 
 
 
 write field Outputs to socket 127.0.0.0:21
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 SHANI
 
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Re: ANN: PopUp Menu with Key-Combination Shortcuts

2010-04-22 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/4/22 Roger Guay i...@mac.com:
 Thanks very much, I'll change it!

 Cheers,
 Roger Guay

You're welcome Roger ;)

Forgive me for asking, but should we refer to you as TheSlug?

My colleagues and friends call me the slug 8-)

2010/4/22 Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com:
 Personally, inside my head, I refer to him as Zryip (pronounced Zeerip in
 portuguese)...

Don't change anything in your mind Andre. Zryip is the sound produced
by a slug launched at full speed on the road.
The next time you see a slug cross a road, prick up your ears and
you'll hear this sound.

8-)


Regards,
-- 
-Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8)
http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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RE: position of an object (from Script)

2010-04-22 Thread Michael Kann
Shani,

I've been following your thread a little and have been tempted to jump in. 
Would you mind telling us what your code is attempting to do? Perhaps someone 
has already written it for you. 

I noticed your name because the guy a liked most in the Winter Olympics was 
Shani Davis, the speedskater. 

Mike





--- On Thu, 4/22/10, Shani shani.run...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Shani shani.run...@gmail.com
 Subject: RE: position of an object (from Script)
 To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 2:02 PM
 Thanks Mark, 
 According to your guide line this task done through this
 command
 
    set the location of graphic ID 1026 to
 350,200
 
 now how can I use this through Socket.
 
 Like 
       write XYZ   return to
 socket tSocket
 --this write string to java through Socket
 
 like these position to socket on JAVA.
 
 Reagrads,
 SHANI
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
 [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com]
 On Behalf Of Mark
 Schonewille
 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:58 PM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)
 
 Hi Shani,
 
 Amir is a string, not an object description. Object
 descriptions (or  
 object references or object expressions) look like:
 
 field x
 field Address
 the long id of fld Address
 button 52 of card Settings of stack Preferences
 stack Special Dialog of stack Main Project
 
 et cetera.
 
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 Best regards,
 
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 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 
 We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at
 http://www.twistaword.net
 
 Op 22 apr 2010, om 20:28 heeft Shani het volgende
 geschreven:
 
  I use this
  set the location of amir to 350,200
  but it give error
  execution error at line n/a (Chunk: error in object
 expression) near
  aamir, char 1
 
  -Original Message-
  From: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com
  [mailto:use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com]
 On Behalf Of Mark
  Schonewille
  Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:28 PM
  To: How to use Revolution
  Subject: Re: position of an object (from Script)
 
  Hi Shani,
 
  You might want to search the dictionary for
 location. You also might
  want to search for width and height.
 
  You also will want to know that you can change almost
 all properties
  of objects with the set command.
 
  Spending an evening with the documentation will
 definitely be very
  useful. Reading the messages on this list would help
 you too.
 
  --
  Best regards,
 
  Mark Schonewille
 
  Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
  Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
  Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 
  We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1
 at
  http://www.twistaword.net
 
  Op 22 apr 2010, om 19:04 heeft Shani het volgende
 geschreven:
 
  How can i set the position of an object through
 script.
 
 
 
  Like in object property profile. We set size and
 position (location).
 
 
 
  How can I set the value like
 
 
 
  Position of ball x243 and y= 22
 
 
 
  Object start from that position
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
  SHANI
 
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Placing a movie (videoClip)

2010-04-22 Thread Gabel Paul
Hello everyone:

I have imported a very short videoClip using File ... Import as a control ... 
video file. Then I put it into a custom property of a card. My problem is that 
I can't get it to play in the location I want. It always plays at the center of 
the card. I tried:

on mouseUp
   wait 20 ticks
   set the loc of the templateVideoClip to 200,200
   play videoClip id (the cardMovie of this cd) -- custom prop
end mouseUp

... but it doesn't work. How do I set the loc of the movie on the card?

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Re: Placing a movie (videoClip)

2010-04-22 Thread Sarah Reichelt
 I have imported a very short videoClip using File ... Import as a control ... 
 video file. Then I put it into a custom property of a card. My problem is 
 that I can't get it to play in the location I want. It always plays at the 
 center of the card. I tried:

 on mouseUp
   wait 20 ticks
   set the loc of the templateVideoClip to 200,200
   play videoClip id (the cardMovie of this cd) -- custom prop
 end mouseUp

 ... but it doesn't work. How do I set the loc of the movie on the card?

I haven't used vidoeClips like this Paul, but for better control, I
suggest using a player object instead.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Placing a movie (videoClip)

2010-04-22 Thread J. Landman Gay

Gabel Paul wrote:

Hello everyone:

I have imported a very short videoClip using File ... Import as a control ... 
video file. Then I put it into a custom property of a card. My problem is that 
I can't get it to play in the location I want. It always plays at the center of 
the card. I tried:

on mouseUp
   wait 20 ticks
   set the loc of the templateVideoClip to 200,200
   play videoClip id (the cardMovie of this cd) -- custom prop
end mouseUp

... but it doesn't work. How do I set the loc of the movie on the card?


I think it's broken, no properties appear to stick except the 
defaults. Videoclips are pretty much deprecated now in favor of players, 
which is probably why there aren't any bug reports about this. There are 
several about how stop playing doesn't work though.


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Re: Placing a movie (videoClip)

2010-04-22 Thread J. Landman Gay

Gabel Paul wrote:

Hello everyone:

I have imported a very short videoClip using File ... Import as a control ... 
video file. Then I put it into a custom property of a card. My problem is that 
I can't get it to play in the location I want. It always plays at the center of 
the card. I tried:

on mouseUp
   wait 20 ticks
   set the loc of the templateVideoClip to 200,200
   play videoClip id (the cardMovie of this cd) -- custom prop
end mouseUp

... but it doesn't work. How do I set the loc of the movie on the card?



Wait, I lied. There's this:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4241

So you can set the location with the syntax play videoclip 1 at 
100,250, which works in the IDE, but fails in a standalone.


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Re: Placing a movie (videoClip)

2010-04-22 Thread BNig

Hi Paul,
this works for me in the IDE from a custom property
---
on mouseUp
   wait 20 ticks
   play videoClip (the cardMovie of this cd) at 300, 300 -- custom prop
end mouseUp

regards
Bernd
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread Kay C Lan
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Graham  Heather Harrison c...@nosirrah.com
 wrote:


 Thanks. That has defined the area of the problem; looking for a black rock
 in a coal cellar without a light - but at least I know I'm in the right
 cellar.___

  So when you ran InfoWallet did you need to double click or not?
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Re: Property Profiles and revSetStackFileProfile - Issue

2010-04-22 Thread Sarah Reichelt
 Has someone already tried to used Property Profiles for multi-language 
 management and revSetStackFileProfile for changing the profile ?

 Are this property and function working well in all case ?
 I tried to used for multi language part of my application, but many times 
 properties disappear or doesn't work.
 The revSetStackFileProfile doesn't seem to work and change how application is 
 working.

I tried to use profiles a few weeks ago and failed. I couldn't get
them to accept me different settings, so I never even got as far as
trying revSetStackFileProfile.

Sarah
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UnInstall rev 4.0

2010-04-22 Thread Graham Heather Harrison
Has anyone used rev Uninstall for rev 4.0?

I get to the point where it asks me (approx) You have selected to uninstall 
all versions, do you want to continue?, and all I have is a live Cancel 
button, and a dead Back button.

Tried moving the Uninstall package to different places, and apart from 
nominating different parent files I get the same 
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread Graham Heather Harrison
I may not have been as clear as intended in my last mail - suffice to say 
scrolling in InfoWallet didn't work.

So I decided to try ssMacWindows to see how that went, and it doesn't at all. 
As far as I can see I have everything in the right places.

Then decided to scrap rev and totally reload. Uninstall refused to do anything 
(see separate thread), so I don't know if the latest install is completely new 
or not. The problem still exists.

Thinking back to something Jacqueline said about the first click being 
swallowed, I have had a problem for a while (can't remember exactly when it 
started) with hot-keys. A number which are in the form Ctl(Mac)-X do not work 
on first invocation, but do once their associated function has been otherwise 
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread J. Landman Gay

Graham  Heather Harrison wrote:

I may not have been as clear as intended in my last mail - suffice to
say scrolling in InfoWallet didn't work.

So I decided to try ssMacWindows to see how that went, and it doesn't
at all. As far as I can see I have everything in the right places.

Then decided to scrap rev and totally reload. Uninstall refused to do
anything (see separate thread), so I don't know if the latest install
is completely new or not. The problem still exists.


On a Mac, uninstall doesn't really do much. Just drag the Rev app into 
the trash. Uninstall is for Windows installations mostly. But it sounds 
like you don't have to reinstall, given the hot keys thing you mention.




Thinking back to something Jacqueline said about the first click
being swallowed, I have had a problem for a while (can't remember
exactly when it started) with hot-keys. A number which are in the
form Ctl(Mac)-X do not work on first invocation, but do once their
associated function has been otherwise
triggered.


That does sound related. What happens if you temporarily turn off hot keys?

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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread Graham Heather Harrison
I totally removed any third party apps directly acting on hot-keys, and 
restarted. No change to rev.

Again did a Safe Boot just to make sure, and still no change to rev.

While in Safe Boot I tried one of the problematic hot-keys (controlled directly 
from Services, not a third party app) and it still had the don't work first 
time behaviour.

I think I had better pursue this on the Mac front. I was able to live with it 
before, but not if it is going to affect rev, as I will never know if behaviour 
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Re: Mac Scrolling

2010-04-22 Thread J. Landman Gay

Graham  Heather Harrison wrote:

I totally removed any third party apps directly acting on hot-keys,
and restarted. No change to rev.

Again did a Safe Boot just to make sure, and still no change to rev.

While in Safe Boot I tried one of the problematic hot-keys
(controlled directly from Services, not a third party app) and it
still had the don't work first time behaviour.

I think I had better pursue this on the Mac front. I was able to live
with it before, but not if it is going to affect rev, as I will never
know if behaviour is abnormal or
not.


We'll tell you. :) You could try turning off all the system prefs 
hotkeys. If you do nail it down, let us know because it might help 
someone else someday.


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