Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
I set up a stack containing a field FFF and a button with the following script: on mouseUp set the textFont of fld FFF to Sanskrit 2003 set the useUnicode to true put uniencode(abx) into BLOB set the unicodeText of fld FFF to numToChar(57417) BLOB end mouseUp [bad point] which I had to type manually here because I was unable to Copy-Paste from the script-editor on Linux into any other program (tried gEdit and this one - ThunderBird). What I got was abx; so the numToChar(57417) yielded the desired unicode glyph, but : 1. at a tiny size 2. superScripted adding this line to the end of my script set the textSize of fld FFF to 120 only served to set abx to a size of 120, while the complex glyph from address 57417 remained the same. --- I have a funny feeling that the inability to scale text will extend to all characters from outwith the extended ASCII table. Obviously this is not satisfactory. doing this: set the unicodeText of fld FFF to BLOB numToChar(57417) BLOB made the numToChar(57417) even smaller and put it even higher up the textField. doing this: set the unicodeText of fld FFF to numToChar(57417) produced a similar phenomenon. - Feeling grumpy. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPad [Was: Re: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers?]
Hello Medard ! French reply off-list... René Le 16 juin 2010 à 19:18, Medard a écrit : René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Envoyé de mon iPad content ? ;-) j'hésite encore... sans doute pas 3G (abonnement !!) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Change Field Property in All Fields of a Stack
About experimentations : and your French ? ;-) Le 16 juin 2010 à 14:03, Richard Gaskin a écrit : Experiment away! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
encryption ciphers
I'm going to use an encryption feature in a project but I want to make sure it will be available for OS X and for WIndows machines. A wide variety of encryption ciphers seem to be available when I do put the cipherNames I have little knowledge about the merits or availability of ciphers, can anyone provide recommendations for a particular cipher and perhaps some reason why that cipher might be preferred? sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
Bonjour, If I put the following handler in the script of a button: on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word/ answer the result end mouseUp I get no such program I was quite sure that I had have this working well before (Actually, I just replace 2004 with 2008 in an old handler which used to work) I get the same result with rev 4.0 and rev 4.5 dp 3 Did not find any insight in the archives. What am I missing? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
Bonjour, Andre.Bisseret: Bonjour, If I put the following handler in the script of a button: on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word/ answer the result end mouseUp I get no such program You supply a path to a FOLDER here, is that correct? Shouldn't it be: ... launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app ... ? I was quite sure that I had have this working well before (Actually, I just replace 2004 with 2008 in an old handler which used to work) I get the same result with rev 4.0 and rev 4.5 dp 3 Did not find any insight in the archives. What am I missing? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 quick questions
On Jun 16, 2010, at 12:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Brigham MD wrote: A useful nugget -- if you need to get the current card of a stack that is not the frontmost stack, use the undocumented term currentcard Actually, this card works for non-frontmost stacks too. I never was quite sure why they added currentcard, I've been using this card for years. get the name of this card of stack notOnTop -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com I didn't know that. A little non-intuitive, if you speak English! (Shouldn't it be: get the name of *that* card of stack notOnTop?) :-) -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 quick questions
On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Mark Smith wrote: Hi Peter, no doubt the day will come. Thanks for the tip (I'm filing these away in a word document. Mark Schonewille will undoubtedly need something to base his FAQ on!) -- M I save my collected tips in a Rev stack. Searchable. And poetically appropriate. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig -Original Message- From: Peter Brigham MD Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:27 AM A useful nugget -- if you need to get the current card of a stack that is not the frontmost stack, use the undocumented term currentcard (note lack of space character) -- as in: put the currentcard of stack myStack into cc which gets you something like: card id 1002 Currentcard is equivalent to this card but works with any open stack, returning the id of the card that is currently showing in that stack. In your case this is unnecessary, as you are apparently needing to deal only with the one stack, so this card will do fine. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
André, on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app if the result is not empty then answer the result end mouseUp works for me. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-launch-an-application-like-word-from-a-stack-tp2258617p2258653.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
Guten tag Klaus, Le 17 juin 10 à 13:20, Klaus on-rev a écrit : Bonjour, Andre.Bisseret: Bonjour, If I put the following handler in the script of a button: on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word/ answer the result end mouseUp I get no such program You supply a path to a FOLDER here, is that correct? Microsoft Office 2008 is a folder in which there is among others the app Microsoft Word Shouldn't it be: ... launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app ... ? You are right (not a surprise ;-)); adding .app was what I was missing! (I would have swear that in older versions it used to work without .app) Danke sehr for your so quick and efficient help :-)) André I was quite sure that I had have this working well before (Actually, I just replace 2004 with 2008 in an old handler which used to work) I get the same result with rev 4.0 and rev 4.5 dp 3 Did not find any insight in the archives. What am I missing? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
Danke shön! Bernd for your prompt reply Klaus was the winner ;-))) with the same suggestion works fine now with .app Guten nachmittag! André Le 17 juin 10 à 13:49, BNig a écrit : André, on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app if the result is not empty then answer the result end mouseUp works for me. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-launch-an-application-like-word-from-a-stack-tp2258617p2258653.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Big Flat Stacks - NULLs
Phil, What ASCII number is a NULL? Mike --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: From: Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net Subject: Re: Big Flat Stacks - NULLs To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 12:51 AM On 6/16/10 8:27 PM, Paul Looney wrote: Jacque, Thanks for the excellent explanation. So far we have imported over a thousand HC stacks into our Rev-based business system. These are mostly databases from our customers. We noticed that, with some customers, up to a third of the archived orders did not make it into the new system. When checking further, we found these were customers who regularly pasted text from MS Word or AppleWorks into one of the Notes fields. Incidentally, removing the NULLs before import was not always successful, either. Another NULL problem in Rev has been sorts. We've found that information is often missing when sorting data containing NULLs (on one occasion, the pre-sort data was two megabytes larger than the post-sort). Removing NULLS from the data before sorting (which we always do now) has fixed the problem for us. Paul Looney The filter command can also malfunction if the data contains nulls. I ran into that this week. Phil Davis On 16/06/2010, at 7:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: I vaguely recall that HC was not supposed to have nulls, but some bug or other caused them and wrecked havoc with HC stacks. Compacting the stack seemed to eliminate them. HC used nulls as end-of-field markers, so if text containing nulls was pasted into an HC field, the text would truncate at the first null. I once had to debug a stack like that, where someone had pasted some text from AppleWorks into the stack. It wasn't a bug, just a result of pasting. Rev handles nulls in fields fine. But during a normal Rev import, the Rev engine knows that nulls were end-of-field markers in HC and so probably truncates the incoming text at that point too, just as HC did. I'm not sure why Paul would need to replace incoming nulls with empty though, since the Rev engine shouldn't bring any of them in when it opens a HC stack. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to launch an application (like word from a stack?
I suspect the problem was more related to the final slash in your original script, so a folder was specified rather than a file. Does it work using .../Microsoft Word without the .app but also without the final slash? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote: Danke shön! Bernd for your prompt reply Klaus was the winner ;-))) with the same suggestion works fine now with .app Guten nachmittag! André Le 17 juin 10 à 13:49, BNig a écrit : André, on mouseUp launch /Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Microsoft Word.app if the result is not empty then answer the result end mouseUp works for me. regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-launch-an-application-like-word-from-a-stack-tp2258617p2258653.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
We need Rev to tell us straightforwardly: Do they admit that basic functionality in the Linux version is broken? If so, do they intend to fix it? Out of deference to Jacque, Richard and Richmond, I will now bite my tongue, except to note this is not about whether Rev and I are suited. This is about whether the Linux version, as being sold, works. If it were the Windows or the OSX version, would this be sold? -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Installing-Linux-fonts-tp2219888p2258769.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Parent group
In flash there was the notion of asking for the name of _parent to get the ID or name of the container movieClip. I have a scenario where I would like to poll a button within a group to tell me which group it's in. The long way would be to get the long name of target, filter it for a string, get the first name in quotes to the right of it etc etc. But I'm hoping there is something quicker. Ex: on mouseDown put the short name of parent end mouseDown ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension?
Thank you Stephan, I guess it was a memory blip. A shut down and restart seems to have taken the molasses out of saving the stack. Regards, Gregory On Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 9:09 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:53:34 -0700 From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com Subject: Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: aanlktikca4aodcivoadiwvsmas-71xa-7edyaeko5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Normal behavior. Rev saves a copy to revert to in case of interruption/crash. This happens rarely but you'll be glad it backed up the stack first someday. If someone pulled the plug in the middle of the save, you'd still have something. On 16 June 2010 15:16, Gregory Lypny gregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote: Hello everyone, I was working on a stack today. It has one substack. Everything was going fine until I noticed that saving the stack was taking too long (it's small) and I was getting the spinning beach ball in Mac OS X. I had the folder in which I store the stack open and noticed that during saving a duplicate file appears with tilde appended to the stack's extension as in stackName.rev~. When saving is finally complete, the duplicate with the tilde disappears. None of this happens with stacks that are working properly. Does anyone know what the problem is? Gregory ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another Odd problem with Linux
I've never had this on any Linux version. Maybe it is specific to this issue of Ubuntu? What I have had in the way of slowdowns has always been with the editor, slow, freeze and crash. Not as described here though. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Another-Odd-problem-with-Linux-tp2257665p2258804.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parent group
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Simon Lord wrote: In flash there was the notion of asking for the name of _parent to get the ID or name of the container movieClip. I have a scenario where I would like to poll a button within a group to tell me which group it's in. The long way would be to get the long name of target, filter it for a string, get the first name in quotes to the right of it etc etc. But I'm hoping there is something quicker. Ex: on mouseDown put the short name of parent end mouseDown Hi Simon, We have a tool to do that; it's just a difference in terminology: put the owner of object This will return the name of the group if it's a grouped control, or the name of the card if it's not a grouped control. HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parent group
Hi Simon, In flash there was the notion of asking for the name of _parent to get the ID or name of the container movieClip. I have a scenario where I would like to poll a button within a group to tell me which group it's in. The long way would be to get the long name of target, filter it for a string, get the first name in quotes to the right of it etc etc. But I'm hoping there is something quicker. try the owner of that button! on mouseDown put the owner of the target end mouseDown Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parent group
Le 17 juin 2010 à 15:22, Simon Lord a écrit : In flash there was the notion of asking for the name of _parent to get the ID or name of the container movieClip. I have a scenario where I would like to poll a button within a group to tell me which group it's in. The long way would be to get the long name of target, filter it for a string, get the first name in quotes to the right of it etc etc. Hi Simon, What about : the owner of me the owner of this button HTH Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Big Flat Stacks - NULLs
Le 17 juin 2010 à 15:09, Michael Kann a écrit : What ASCII number is a NULL? 0 ! if you want to know all, look here: http://www.asciitable.com/ Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension?
Gregory, If you're felling like doing some unix, then you can launch console.app (not terminal.app, I keep mixing them) and check out the logs in there, specially system.log. There might be some hint in there. Once my system was taking about 10 minutes to boot up, after being fed up for months, I decided to look at the logs. What was happening was that once upon a time, I had installed parallels and vmware, their kernel stuff were still loading even though I did not had the apps anymore but the biggest criminal was an HP monitor thing for the printer that I don't have anymore that would stall the system for minutes while it loaded. Now I know better Cheers andre On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Gregory Lypny gregory.ly...@videotron.cawrote: Thank you Stephan, I guess it was a memory blip. A shut down and restart seems to have taken the molasses out of saving the stack. Regards, Gregory On Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 9:09 AM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.comwrote: Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:53:34 -0700 From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com Subject: Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: aanlktikca4aodcivoadiwvsmas-71xa-7edyaeko5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Normal behavior. Rev saves a copy to revert to in case of interruption/crash. This happens rarely but you'll be glad it backed up the stack first someday. If someone pulled the plug in the middle of the save, you'd still have something. On 16 June 2010 15:16, Gregory Lypny gregory.ly...@videotron.ca wrote: Hello everyone, I was working on a stack today. It has one substack. Everything was going fine until I noticed that saving the stack was taking too long (it's small) and I was getting the spinning beach ball in Mac OS X. I had the folder in which I store the stack open and noticed that during saving a duplicate file appears with tilde appended to the stack's extension as in stackName.rev~. When saving is finally complete, the duplicate with the tilde disappears. None of this happens with stacks that are working properly. Does anyone know what the problem is? Gregory ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: encryption ciphers
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:22 AM, jim sims s...@ezpzapps.com wrote: A wide variety of encryption ciphers seem to be available when I do put the cipherNames I have little knowledge about the merits or availability of ciphers, can anyone provide recommendations for a particular cipher and perhaps some reason why that cipher might be preferred? sims Oh, it's been a while, so some of this may be out of date or I may accidentally attribute one property of a cipher to another - so I *highly* recommend using Wikipedia to lookup the basics of each. For most modern encryption ciphers, they will fall into one of two categories: secret key or pubic key. A secret key encryption is where you have to know the key to encrypt and you have to know what key was used to encrypt the message in order to decrypt it as well. Technically speaking, secret key encryptions can be 100% guaranteed to be uncrackable, but they fail in that you actually have to somehow transmit the key to the end-user. A public key encryption is based on the properties of large primes and the fact that very large numbers (and I mean *big* numbers) are ever increasingly more difficult to factor. The core concept is that there are two keys used: one is private, and used to decrypt a message and one is public and used to encrypt the message. You give out your public key to the world, they encrypt whatever they want to send to you, and you are the only one who can read it with the private key. The problem with public key encryption is the typical man-in-the-middle attacks and trying to authenticate that a message came from who you think it came from. Most SSH, SSL, and similar internet protocols are based on the public key encryption method. For example, with SSL, you have a certificate which contains your public and private keys, and the server machine you communicate with has one as well. When you make the secure connection, you give the machine your public key and they give you theirs. Then you can easily pass messages back and forth securely using each others' public keys. When picking a cipher to use, you generally want to make your decision based on a couple things: 1. Time to encrypt/decrypt and CPU resources required 2. Whether it's possible to securely hand off secret keys or not 3. How long each piece of data will be usable for That last point is pretty key. If - for example - you are encrypting state secrets, the data needs to be usable for years, and I promise you that nothing Rev supports will be good enough... don't even bother. If the usable time frame is on the order of minutes (e.g. an IM message), then just use the simplest encryption method available to you, because the odds of someone actually cracking it within that timeframe is incredibly small. Likely your data is somewhere in the middle. That said, when I put the cipherNames, I generally get this list: AES, DES, BF, BLOWFISH, RC, CAST To my knowledge, all of these fall under the secret key algorithm. The number next to the name typically indicates the size of the key being used. Most good keys are now well above the 512-bit size, and anything 256 has been broken fast in competitions. My understanding is that AES is the worst (oldest), DES is better, DES3 is better, BLOWFISH is quick and simple and a good compromise between performance and security. I know nothing about RC or CAST, but I'm pretty sure RC is just a derivative of AES. Look into RSA or SSL (which uses RSA) if you want public key encryption. There are libraries and tools out there (like OpenSSL) that will help you in your quest. Hope this helps. Don't use this email as God-speek, though, as it's been a while since I did research in this area and it could be out of date (or even flat out wrong in some areas). Wikipedia will be your friend here. Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Valentina Reports?
Well you have catch idea of our next big feature for VReports, :-) We will add support of SqlLite as first step. Then others. MySQL unlikely because we all know license issues. Shh, nobody tell yet :-) First step is going to be supporting SQLite with Valentina Studio Pro and Admin. VS Pro is a good database management tool, so it makes sense to make it work with other dbs. If users decide later they want the advanced features of Valentina DB, it will make it that much easier to port later. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Adobe and Apple
www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1404.html or, put another way; why RunRev should never, never let themselves be bought out by one of the major players. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Very cute poor little Hypercard under arm of OS9 ! :-( Le 17 juin 2010 à 17:52, Richmond a écrit : www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1404.html or, put another way; why RunRev should never, never let themselves be bought out by one of the major players. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
no go?
And I thought I sort of knew what I am doing. Now in HC, if you say go to stack soAndSo, you go to that stack. In Rev, I get no such card. If the stack has previously been opened the command works just fine. But if it has never been opened, I can open it with dialogs, or by explicitly writing the full pathname, but not by just specifying the stack name alone. Say it ain't so. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension?
Be careful about the Console Logs tho'. There is a lot of normal stuff that floats through there that looks like there is something wrong, but there isn't. I spent a lot of time googling until I realized I was just chasing ghosts. And IMHO HP is notorious for really badly written drivers, for both PC and Mac. I bought 3 separate models of printers where the drivers on the CD that came with it did not actually work! I always get the drivers from the support site now. Bob On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: Gregory, If you're felling like doing some unix, then you can launch console.app (not terminal.app, I keep mixing them) and check out the logs in there, specially system.log. There might be some hint in there. Once my system was taking about 10 minutes to boot up, after being fed up for months, I decided to look at the logs. What was happening was that once upon a time, I had installed parallels and vmware, their kernel stuff were still loading even though I did not had the apps anymore but the biggest criminal was an HP monitor thing for the printer that I don't have anymore that would stall the system for minutes while it loaded. Now I know better Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
On Jun 17, 2010, at 12:02 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Say it ain't so. I have no idea if it is so, but in the case of HyperCard it managed to achieve that by having global variables for Applications, Stacks, and Documents, which it filled in from the last card of the Home stack. Look around in Rev to see if it has an equivalent of the Stacks variable. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
snif! I loved those guys! Bob On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:58 AM, René Micout wrote: Very cute poor little Hypercard under arm of OS9 ! :-( Le 17 juin 2010 à 17:52, Richmond a écrit : www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1404.html or, put another way; why RunRev should never, never let themselves be bought out by one of the major players. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
Colin. If you try to navigate to a stack not explicitly listed in the Search Paths cards of the home stack (pertains to files as well) you get a dialog asking where it is. This is what I would have expected. But no such feedback, except for the result being set. Tripped me up, and I was wondering if it was just so. Craig In a message dated 6/17/10 12:16:21 PM, co...@verizon.net writes: I have no idea if it is so, but in the case of HyperCard it managed to achieve that by having global variables for Applications, Stacks, and Documents, which it filled in from the last card of the Home stack. Look around in Rev to see if it has an equivalent of the Stacks variable. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HTML interaction...
Ok, this is where I ask a question without exhausting all avenues to discover the answer... If I have RunRev load an html page, what options, if any, do I have to communicating to elements in that page? First, some structure to understand what I'm asking: This is a stack—not a plugin and not a stack talking to a browser. This is a stack with a web page rendered inside the stack. Can I target div's with ID? [God please say yes.] If so, what keywords should I be reviewing in the x-talk language? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
I see what you mean. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: encryption ciphers
My understanding is that AES is the worst (oldest), DES is better, DES3 is better, BLOWFISH is quick and simple and a good compromise between performance and security. I know nothing about RC or CAST, but I'm pretty sure RC is just a derivative of AES. Security is not a question of is it secure but rather a question of how long would it take to break through its security or how big of a threat do I need to provide so that you give me your keys. I'm listing these algorithims in relative strength, weakest to most secure (in my opinion so don't quote me). None of these (far as I know) have been broken they all just take varying amounts of time to brute force them. DES (Data Encryption Standard) is the granddaddy and we have learned a bunch about encryption since then. DES3 (or triple DES) is essentially doing the DES encryption 3 times and it extended the usefulness of DES Blowfish (not an acronym) was designed to be a public domain, free for any to use, replacement for DES. I think BF is a shorthand slang term for Blowfish. I've never seen that encryption system mentioned prior to this email. CAST was submitted as a candidate for AES and it did not make the final 5 RC6 was submitted as a candidate for AES. It did make the final 5, but it was not selected. Twofish was submitted as a candidate for AES. It did make the final 5, but it was not selected. From wikipedia: The Twofish cipher has not been patented and the reference implementation has been placed in the public domain. As a result, the Twofish algorithm is free for anyone to use without any restrictions whatsoever. It is one of a few ciphers included in the OpenPGP standard (RFC 4880). However, Twofish has seen less widespread usage than Blowfish, which has been available for a longer period of time. AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) is the replacement for DES (and DES3) and it is fairly recent. It won the competition for the standard encryption system to be used going forward and should be considered the best as far as the USA is concerned. kee nethery ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
On 06/17/2010 04:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: We need Rev to tell us straightforwardly: Do they admit that basic functionality in the Linux version is broken? If so, do they intend to fix it? I suspect actions WILL speak louder than words. Out of deference to Jacque, Richard and Richmond, I will now bite my tongue, except to note this is not about whether Rev and I are suited. This is about whether the Linux version, as being sold, works. If it were the Windows or the OSX version, would this be sold? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: encryption ciphers
It's also a question of how valuable to others your resources are. How to make a car run on seawater is a document very valuable to a great many people, both those who want to exploit it, and those who want to make it go away. How to put gas in your tank not so much. All of them are going to be greatly tempted to defeat whatever security you have. AES256 is about the best publicly available encryption you can get your hands on. It's generally considered much better than kidnapping the head engineer and giving him truth serum while torturing his cat. Bob On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Kee Nethery wrote: My understanding is that AES is the worst (oldest), DES is better, DES3 is better, BLOWFISH is quick and simple and a good compromise between performance and security. I know nothing about RC or CAST, but I'm pretty sure RC is just a derivative of AES. Security is not a question of is it secure but rather a question of how long would it take to break through its security or how big of a threat do I need to provide so that you give me your keys. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HTML interaction...
Hi Simon, Well that web page that shows in RevBrowser is based on a text file that's yours to create. You could parse the loaded page and reconfigure it to your needs. I don't think there's anything in the revbrowser lib that indexes content in that way that you ask, if I understand what you are requesting. But every message and action that is available in a regular browser is available in RevBrowser. Same code as the browser you are used to. search for browser in the docs to see all the commands. Don't use the old XBrowser commands. look up MERGE in the docs for one way to parse and replace multiple instances. Remember that CSS and javascript will be available too, as well as AJAX-y access to the DOM. Perhaps you should define 'communicate' a little further - what do you want to do? On 17 June 2010 09:31, Simon Lord sl...@karbonized.com wrote: Ok, this is where I ask a question without exhausting all avenues to discover the answer... If I have RunRev load an html page, what options, if any, do I have to communicating to elements in that page? First, some structure to understand what I'm asking: This is a stack—not a plugin and not a stack talking to a browser. This is a stack with a web page rendered inside the stack. Can I target div's with ID? [God please say yes.] If so, what keywords should I be reviewing in the x-talk language? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
Picture of this morning's fiasco: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Skritty.png Ouch! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
see STACKFILES in the docs: *Examples: * *set the stackFiles of this stack to My Dialog,Custom Dialogs.rev* Use the *stackFiles* property to make one or more stacks accessible to handlers, even if the stack is not already open or in memory. ciao sqb On 17 June 2010 09:36, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: I see what you mean. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard San Francisco ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
Sorry, chaps: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/Skritty.png.zip Ouch! Again! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Group [vertical] scroll bars huge on Windows
Anyone know how to easily fix this? They are... disproportionately wide. Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group [vertical] scroll bars huge on Windows
Hi Jeff - What happens if you set the scrollbarWidth of the object to 15 or 10 or yourNumberHere? On 6/17/10 11:24 AM, Jeff Massung wrote: Anyone know how to easily fix this? They are... disproportionately wide. Jeff M. -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Group [vertical] scroll bars huge on Windows
Wow do I feel sheepish. I completely missed that. ;-) Thanks for taking the time to point out the obvious to Mr. Blind. Jeff M. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote: Hi Jeff - What happens if you set the scrollbarWidth of the object to 15 or 10 or yourNumberHere? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Colin. If you try to navigate to a stack not explicitly listed in the Search Paths cards of the home stack (pertains to files as well) you get a dialog asking where it is. This is what I would have expected. But no such feedback, except for the result being set. As mentioned, the stackfiles is a sort of substitute for what HC had. Rev will only recognize stacks by their short name if they are already in RAM. It does, however, allow you to refer to stacks by their filename, and if you do that they will open as you expect. I.e.: go stack folder/folder/stackname.rev If you don't know the file path and are trying to open a stack that isn't already listed in the stackfiles, then what you experienced is just how it is. HC had a built-in fallback option which is trivial to implement yourself in Rev: go stack notInRAM if the result is not empty then answer file Where is notInRAM? if it is not empty then go stack it end if end if -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
All: Thanks. Makes sense. Very workable. Just different. Short stilted sentences. Craig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
dunb...@aol.com wrote: All: Thanks. Makes sense. Very workable. Just different. Short stilted sentences. LOL! Let's just call it concise. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: encryption ciphers
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: It's also a question of how valuable to others your resources are. How to make a car run on seawater is a document very valuable to a great many people, both those who want to exploit it, and those who want to make it go away. How to put gas in your tank not so much. All of them are going to be greatly tempted to defeat whatever security you have. AES256 is about the best publicly available encryption you can get your hands on. It's generally considered much better than kidnapping the head engineer and giving him truth serum while torturing his cat. Thanks for the reply Bob. Not even close to the seawater example ;-) One of my concerns was it being able to work on OS X AND Windows with no extras needed. I do recall that years ago anything beyond a certain strength might be banned in the USA, is that still an issue? Is 256 legal for the USA? sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
Wolfgang, if this were the only problem, then every reboot would take care of all the font problems, until you installed more fonts. That is not my experience. It varies from distro to distro, but my experience is that after very many reboots, you still have a situation where Rev fails to see some installed fonts, and sees other fonts that are not installed, and that it is the only app with these problems in relation to these fonts. The cause of this, if it persists after reboot, cannot surely be the cache? OT: If you don't want that the user have to use... Should be, if you don't want the user TO HAVE TO USE. You can't 'want that' someone does something. Dunno why, but it sounds wrong. I know, its awful. I often have had the feeling in Europe and speaking a foreign language that it was like trying to play a piano with gloves on. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Installing-Linux-fonts-tp2219888p2259422.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
It might be something to do with subjunctives - English does have them, though they are hard to recognize. I want that you give me that apple. that seems to be OK if a little old fashioned and stilted. I want that he obey his teacher (not, that he obeys). Its a bit like je veux que tu ailles a la poste. Better to avoid the problem by using the infinitive. I want you to give I want him to obey. Not he, of course, him. Richmond as an EFL guru will know the proper answer to this -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Installing-Linux-fonts-tp2219888p2259430.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: encryption ciphers
Yeah it's legal. The good stuff they won't even let us get close to. And yes, they do still control the kind of encryption that can be publicly used, as well as the kinds of encryption that can be made available to international markets. Don't ask me how I know. ;-) Bob On Jun 17, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: It's also a question of how valuable to others your resources are. How to make a car run on seawater is a document very valuable to a great many people, both those who want to exploit it, and those who want to make it go away. How to put gas in your tank not so much. All of them are going to be greatly tempted to defeat whatever security you have. AES256 is about the best publicly available encryption you can get your hands on. It's generally considered much better than kidnapping the head engineer and giving him truth serum while torturing his cat. Thanks for the reply Bob. Not even close to the seawater example ;-) One of my concerns was it being able to work on OS X AND Windows with no extras needed. I do recall that years ago anything beyond a certain strength might be banned in the USA, is that still an issue? Is 256 legal for the USA? sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no go?
On 17 Jun 2010, at 17:28, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Colin. If you try to navigate to a stack not explicitly listed in the Search Paths cards of the home stack (pertains to files as well) you get a dialog asking where it is. This is what I would have expected. But no such feedback, except for the result being set. In Rev, you can set paths in the stackFiles property of any main stack. (I'm assuming that works. I haven't used it recently.) One reason not to have a file dialog appear is that stacks can be substacks or just data in memory (as from a url) and not a file based item as in Hypercard. Cheers Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension?
Thanks Andre and Bob, Good tips. Never thought of console. I'll have to add it as a must-do to my troubleshooting checklist. Gregory On Thu, Jun 17, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Andre wrote: Gregory, If you're felling like doing some unix, then you can launch console.app (not terminal.app, I keep mixing them) and check out the logs in there, specially system.log. There might be some hint in there. Once my system was taking about 10 minutes to boot up, after being fed up for months, I decided to look at the logs. What was happening was that once upon a time, I had installed parallels and vmware, their kernel stuff were still loading even though I did not had the apps anymore but the biggest criminal was an HP monitor thing for the printer that I don't have anymore that would stall the system for minutes while it loaded. Now I know better Cheers andre Message: 16 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:14:08 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com Subject: Re: What's With the Tilde After the Stack File Extension? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: 3046130a-b3de-4864-ac22-23acafb29...@twft.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be careful about the Console Logs tho'. There is a lot of normal stuff that floats through there that looks like there is something wrong, but there isn't. I spent a lot of time googling until I realized I was just chasing ghosts. And IMHO HP is notorious for really badly written drivers, for both PC and Mac. I bought 3 separate models of printers where the drivers on the CD that came with it did not actually work! I always get the drivers from the support site now. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 quick questions
Peter Brigham MD wrote: I didn't know that. A little non-intuitive, if you speak English! (Shouldn't it be: get the name of *that* card of stack notOnTop?) :-) It's UK English. If they allowed American syntax, it would be: get the name of this-here card of that-there stack -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Adobe have their own impressive private vault of discontinued, changed names, changed ownership, or obsolete software: http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/whathappenedto/p/formeradobe.htm Adobe File Utilities AfterImage Ares Font Utilities Art Explorer ChartMaker CheckList Color Central Curo Document Manager DateBook Digital Darkroom Fetch FontChameleon FontFiddler FontHopper FontMinder FontMonger Gallery Effects Hitchcock HomePublisher Image Library ImageStyler InfoPublisher IntelliDraw LiveMotion OPEN PageMaker PageMaker Database Edition Personal Press Persuasion PhotoStyler PrePrint Pro PrePrint PressWise Print Central ScreenReady SiteMill SuperATM SuperCard SuperPaint TextureMaker TitleMan TitleSoft TouchBase TranScript TrapMaker TrapWise Type Align Type Twister Video F/X Viewer 3.1 Viewer 95 Word For Word I could add: Adobe GoLive Adobe FreeHand MX Macromedia Authorware How many millions of people do you estimate have been affected by Adobe's choices of discontinuing these products? Food for thought... Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Adobe-and-Apple-tp2259057p2259557.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Alejandro- Thursday, June 17, 2010, 3:54:50 PM, you wrote: SuperCard ??? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
That is the version from About.com but... in Richard Gaskin's website, SuperCard history: Feb. 1994: Allegiant acquires SuperCard from Aldus http://www.fourthworld.com/supercard/FAQ_pages/Q0010.html Let's see how dates match: In February 1994, Allegiant Technologies of San Diego bought SuperCard In March 15 1994 (Tuesday) Adobe Corp. announces that will swap 1.15 of its shares for each share of Aldus Corp. of Seattle, a $525 million deal that unites two of the leading makers of programs for desktop publishing. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5510450_ITM So About.com should be wrong in their date... but maybe, just maybe, Adobe expressed their intention to abandon SuperCard and FreeHand, so Aldus sold both: SuperCard before merging and FreeHand after merging with Adobe. I remember reading in some mail list, (maybe HyperCard list) about the project of integrating SuperTalk as scripting language of Aldus FreeHand. After Freehand and SuperCard were sold to different companies, this innovation never saw the daylight. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Adobe-and-Apple-tp2259057p2259601.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Adobe and Apple
I remember reading in some mail list, (maybe HyperCard list) about the project of integrating SuperTalk as scripting language of Aldus FreeHand. After Freehand and SuperCard were sold to different companies, this innovation never saw the daylight. Adobe isn't alone in acquiring something, then selling it off, killing it or letting a product languish. Not much worse than others. I remember Guy Kawasaki convinced Adobe to acquire his Touchbase and Datebook programs - Adobe didn't have a clue what to do with them. Then they sold it to Now when I was there, and Now sort of sat on it, gave modest upgrades, but mostly just got it to acquire the customer base for NUD C. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Alejandro- Yeah - my memory (which could well be fuzzy) is that Allegiant bought SuperCard before the Adobe buyout so Adobe never got a chance to bury it. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Lynn- Thursday, June 17, 2010, 5:17:12 PM, you wrote: Adobe isn't alone in acquiring something, then selling it off, killing it or letting a product languish. Not much worse than others. Better than a lot of others. Look at Corel. Or Computer Associates. Where software goes to die -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 quick questions
In some American dialects, it's Yo! check it out! Homeboy got card in the crib! Word! Bob On Jun 17, 2010, at 2:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Peter Brigham MD wrote: I didn't know that. A little non-intuitive, if you speak English! (Shouldn't it be: get the name of *that* card of stack notOnTop?) :-) It's UK English. If they allowed American syntax, it would be: get the name of this-here card of that-there stack -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Adobe and Apple
The merger of 525 millions between Adobe and Aldus must have been in discussion for months, before their announcement of March 15 1994. So, when Aldus sold SuperCard, they probably have consulted with Adobe about this transaction. If consulting with Adobe were not necessary then... Why not sold FreeHand, that already have a great user base among the graphic designer crowd? Because Adobe want to do in 1994, what it's doing now in 2010: Abandoning FreeHand into oblivion. Sad, no? (In case that you are wondering, i am a Xara user since a few years ago, although i taught FreeHand in Design Classes for many years) Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Adobe-and-Apple-tp2259057p2259621.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Adobe and Apple
Adobe isn't alone in acquiring something, then selling it off, killing it or letting a product languish. Not much worse than others. Better than a lot of others. Look at Corel. Or Computer Associates. Where software goes to die Oh, yeah, esp CA. They were the bottom feeders of the software world. I recall years ago they would acquire some technical product with old technology and a reasonably large user base - for very little money. Then charge for *every* update, the .01 updates. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts
On 06/17/2010 11:23 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: It might be something to do with subjunctives - English does have them, though they are hard to recognize. I want that you give me that apple. that seems to be OK if a little old fashioned and stilted. I want that he obey his teacher (not, that he obeys). Its a bit like je veux que tu ailles a la poste. Better to avoid the problem by using the infinitive. I want you to give I want him to obey. Not he, of course, him. Richmond as an EFL guru will know the proper answer to this As an EFL guru I would start by saying that I think that is a misuse and abuse of the word 'guru' . . . :) Also, there is a difference between Native English and EFL; the latter tending increasingly to focus on Communicative Competence rather than Prescriptive Grammatical niceties. I never, ever worry about whom as it is already half gone, and as a native speaker I continually catch myself saying If I was you instead of If I were you. From the point of view of a prescriptivist I am wrong; but, Hey, why don't we all revert to Anglo-Saxon (which is bad Northern Germano-Danish)? Walk down a street in, say, Swindon, and I wonder how many people use the if I were you structure - probably none. I have never heard anybody say I want that you give me that apple; it sounds like somebody trying to fake 18th century English (and botching it) or something from some odd dialect. I would always favour I want you to give. I wist that Thou givest me that apple micht dae fae some sonsy loon fae oot a time-machine, but isnae mensefu the noo. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
