Re: more crashes with Rev 3.5 and above?

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Davis

On 7/7/10 6:16 PM, Curry Kenworthy wrote:

> Since moving beyond 3.0, his customers seem to be experiencing
> a lot more "app unexpectedly quit" crashes.

I've had some crashes and lock-ups with Rev 4.0 Mac, not sure what all 
patterns. (Rev 4.0 Win is rock-solid.) If you have problems for that 
standalone you might go back to the 3.0 or 3.5 engine temporarily, 
then move back up at the next Rev update. File format compatibility 
between versions is great, isn't it!


Yes indeed!
Phil



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Re: more crashes with Rev 3.5 and above?

2010-07-07 Thread Curry Kenworthy

> Since moving beyond 3.0, his customers seem to be experiencing
> a lot more "app unexpectedly quit" crashes.

I've had some crashes and lock-ups with Rev 4.0 Mac, not sure what all 
patterns. (Rev 4.0 Win is rock-solid.) If you have problems for that 
standalone you might go back to the 3.0 or 3.5 engine temporarily, then 
move back up at the next Rev update. File format compatibility between 
versions is great, isn't it!


Best wishes,

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more crashes with Rev 3.5 and above?

2010-07-07 Thread Phil Davis

Hi folks,

I'm trying to understand the experience one client is having. We moved 
his Mac-only standalone app from the 3.0 engine to 3.5, then a couple of 
weeks later to 4.0. Since moving beyond 3.0, his customers seem to be 
experiencing a lot more "app unexpectedly quit" crashes. Is it just my 
perception, or is that your experience too?


If you have the same increase in crashes, have you found any particular 
commands or command sequences that either increase or decrease the crash 
frequency? Or has your crash rate remained unchanged since 3.0?


When the problem happens, it's normally during a file read. Like this:

 from crash log --
Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x
Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed:  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libSystem.B.dylib 0x0916 __memcpy + 374
1   libSystem.B.dylib 0x9848de4f fread + 132
2   ...ss.app.rev 0x001405df MCS_read(void*, unsigned int, unsigned 
int&, IO_header*) + 111
3   ...ss.app.rev 0x001bab88 MCVariableArray::loadkeys(IO_header*, bool) 
+ 744

4   ...ss.app.rev 0x00112eb8 MCObject::load(IO_header*, char const*) + 1880
5   ...ss.app.rev 0x001a15e0 MCStack::load(IO_header*, char const*, 
unsigned char) + 64
6   ...ss.app.rev 0x00072a0c MCDispatch::readfile(char const*, char 
const*, IO_header*&, MCStack*&, bool) + 1260
7   ...ss.app.rev 0x00072ed9 MCDispatch::loadfile(char const*, 
MCStack*&) + 585
8   ...ss.app.rev 0x00073247 MCDispatch::findstackname(MCString const&) 
+ 343
9   ...ss.app.rev 0x00029677 MCChunk::getobj(MCExecPoint&, MCObject*&, 
unsigned int&, unsigned char) + 2103

 end of crash log --

But the same files are most often read without a problem. This makes me 
think there's something environmental going on, but that's a guess.


Thanks for any responses.
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mike Bonner
LIbationator.  Has connotations of religion, and forceful
intoxication. Or conversly, to "Arnold the beer" means to terminate it
with extreme prejudice.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Klaus on-rev  wrote:
> Hi Andre,
>
> Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia:
>
>> I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?
>
> Probably  a libeerator :-)
>
>
> Best
>
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Peter Brigham MD


On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote:


In French we have 2 words for "free"
free = gratuit (no money !)
free = libre (open ?)
;-)


Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous.
But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case 


I always thought the New Hampshire state motto had a rather sinister  
subtext:

"Live free or die!"
(getting the double-entendre requires that you know that NH prides  
itself on having very low taxes, and thus very limited social  
services)


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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Swindell
¡El mero Simon Bolivar de la Revolución escocés... en Brazil!

On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?

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Re: A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread charles61

I want to thank everyone for their help! I have to go back and review
information on file management. For others who may have this same question
or problem, here is my script for loading prefs:

on loadPrefs pFilename
   local tPrefs
   
   --   put url ("binfile:" & pFilename) into tPrefs
   IF the platform is "MacOS" 
   then 
  put url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath("preferences") & "/" &
"504_prefs") into tPrefs
   end if
   
   IF the platform is "win32" 
   then 
  put url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath(26) & "/" & "504_prefs") into
tPrefs
   end if

and here is my script for saving my prefs file:

IF the platform is "MacOS" 
   then 
  put arrayEncode(tPrefs) into url ("binfile:" &
specialFolderPath("preferences") & "/" & "504_prefs")
   end if
   
   IF the platform is "win32" 
   then 
  put arrayEncode(tPrefs) into url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath(26) &
"/" & "504_prefs")
   end if
   
Again, thanks to everyone for their help!
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Re: A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Charles,

> Klaus,
> 
> Thank! I understand now that I left out the name of the file. But what is the 
> suffix at the end of "your_prefs_file.prf"?

just a fancy suffix ("prf" = abbr. for preferences and is a common suffix on 
Windows systems for pref files :-)
Will of course work without it!

> Charles Szasz
> csz...@mac.com

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Re: A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread charles61

Klaus,

Thank! I understand now that I left out the name of the file. But what is the 
suffix at the end of "your_prefs_file.prf"?

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Klaus on-rev [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

> Hi Charles, 
> 
> > 
> > I am trying to set up a preference file. I have two stacks - a splash stack 
> > and an app stack. The Prefs stack is a substack of the app stack and is not 
> > a separate stack I trying to use the url and binfile with specialfolder to 
> > set up my preference file in the appropriate place for windows 
> > (specialFolderPath(26) ) and mac (specialFolderPath("preferences")). 
> 
> These functions will only return a path to a FOLDER, 
> as the name "specialFOLDERpath" suggests! 
> You have to provide a filename, too! 
> 
> Like: 
> ... 
> specialFolderPath(26) & "/" & "your_prefs_file.prf" 
> ... 
> 
> > 
> > I am getting an error message for   
> > ... 
> 
> See above "binfile:..." requires a filename but you only supply a FOLDER. 
> 
> 
> Best 
> 
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Richmond

On 07/07/2010 09:28 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:40:56 AM, you wrote:

   

Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in
different territory;
and I don't think the 2 really overlap.
 

Chris Anderson has some thought-provoking things to say about the
concept of "free", including several use-case models where free makes
sound profitable business sense in a free-market (no pun intended)
(all right...actually I couldn't resist it) economy.

https://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905

   

Well, as a free-market economy doesn't really exist anywhere
(the successful players in the market bending over backwards
to restrict competition) that is probably rather theoretical.

A male tiger coming upon a female tiger with cubs, will kill
the cubs so as to bring the female into oestrus so he can mate
with her and secure his own genetic line.

Mind you when I try to visualise the likes of Steve Jobs and
Bill Gates as male tigers I split my sides laughing!
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:40:56 AM, you wrote:

> Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in 
> different territory;
> and I don't think the 2 really overlap.

Chris Anderson has some thought-provoking things to say about the
concept of "free", including several use-case models where free makes
sound profitable business sense in a free-market (no pun intended)
(all right...actually I couldn't resist it) economy.

https://www.amazon.com/Free-Future-Radical-Chris-Anderson/dp/1401322905

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Re: Writing Externals in Pascal?

2010-07-07 Thread Richmond

On 07/07/2010 08:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Whoa! Pascal still lives?? Maybe I am not so old after all.

Bob


   

Sorry to dash your illusions; I studied PASCAL 5 in 1985;

Thee and Me are alive, and so is PASCAL; neither Thee, not
Me, nor PASCAL are as young as we were in 1985.

Hey; anybody remember MINIFORTRAN?



I remember when I was visiting Mum and Dad at New Year
seeing my PASCAL final project lurking in the attic; maybe
I should get it out and 'give it a whirl'. Mind you typing the
whole thing into the machine will be a real labour of love.

What I do remember is:

1. It was a program for making a concordance of a text.
   [This was conceived because I was sent 'over' from the
Philosophy department to the Maths dept. for computer
programming. The lecturers all made loud and public
fun of the "wierdo in the kilt from the Philosophy dept"
and said that ONLY mathematicians could program;
and that PASCAL, being a serious, hairy-chested sort
of computer language, could only deal with crunching
numbers - hence my determination to crunch text].

2. A long-suffering 'slave' in the computer building
(full of enormous tape drives that went "whirr, whirr")
typed in an English translation of Leibniz's 'Monadologie'.

3. The program crashed the University computer (hurrah,
hurrah - let's hear it for Mathewson).

I will probably be able to run it on a Pentium II I have,
running FreeDOS with the GEM GUI (lovely job) and
some sort of cheapo PASCAL - in all likelihood the 32 MB
RAM is more than the University of Durham had in 1985.

4. An incredibly seedy man who was my computer
supervisor almost tied himself in knots having to admit
   that my program was the best of the 100 students in the year.
   Extra fun was had because I asked the head of Philosophy to
   accompany me to the meeting so that I could make a formal
   complaint about departmental bullying towards me because
   I was an Arts student.

About once every 5 years I go back to Durham to visit . . .
. . . the pubs where I did most of my studying; and everytime
I pass the building that housed the VAX (I wonder what is in
there now?) I blow it a kiss - Wow I wish my life now was
as much fun as when I was an undergraduate
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Andre Garzia
> >
> > > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?
> >
> > Probably  a libeerator :-)
> >
> >
> http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg
>
> ;-)
>

actually, I have a star trek costume exactly like that... will exercise my
piccard facepalm look...



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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Jeff Massung
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Klaus on-rev  wrote:

> Hi Andre,
>
> Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia:
>
> > I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?
>
> Probably  a libeerator :-)
>
>
http://raoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/facepalm.jpg

;-)

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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Andre,

Am 07.07.2010 um 20:04 schrieb Andre Garzia:

> I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?

Probably  a libeerator :-)


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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Andre Garzia
I've liberated beer before... what that makes me, a liberator?

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Mmm liberated beer.
>
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder 
> wrote:
> > René-
> >
> > Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >> In French we have 2 words for "free"
> >> free = gratuit (no money !)
> >> free = libre (open ?)
> >> ;-)
> >
> > Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous.
> > But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't,
> > for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its
> > container and pouring a round for the room.
> >
> > --
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Re: Writing Externals in Pascal?

2010-07-07 Thread Neal Campbell
The 2010 version of Delphi is a killer development environment and the 2011
version will have cross-compile for OS X. You can tell its what I do a lot
of work in!

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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Whoa! Pascal still lives?? Maybe I am not so old after all.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > Peter-
> >
> > Monday, July 5, 2010, 4:59:11 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> Free Pascal. At the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load
> >> library written in Free Pascal from Rebol (a language written in C)
> >> using C calling conventions.
> >
> > Keep us posted on your progress - that's a promising start.
> >
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Bob Sneidar
In America, they are kind of related. I "open" (libre) my wallet, see there's 
no money there, so whatever I get had better be "free" (gratuit). 

Bob


On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:28 AM, René Micout wrote:

> In French we have 2 words for "free"
> free = gratuit (no money !)
> free = libre (open ?)
> ;-)
> 
> Le 7 juil. 2010 à 18:20, Mark Wieder a écrit :
> 
>> Richmond-
>> 
>> Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49.
>> 
>> Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the
>> virtues of *free* software?
>> 
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Re: Writing Externals in Pascal?

2010-07-07 Thread Bob Sneidar
Whoa! Pascal still lives?? Maybe I am not so old after all. 

Bob


On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Peter-
> 
> Monday, July 5, 2010, 4:59:11 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> Free Pascal. At the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load
>> library written in Free Pascal from Rebol (a language written in C)
>> using C calling conventions.
> 
> Keep us posted on your progress - that's a promising start.
> 
> -- 
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> mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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Re: [Data Grid] Infinite loop with DG Table

2010-07-07 Thread zryip theSlug
Bonjour André! :)

Thanks for your confirmation! ;)


Regards,

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2010/7/7 Andre.Bisseret 

>
> Le 6 juil. 10 à 21:27, zryip theSlug a écrit :
>
>
>  Dear List and especially DG users,
>>
>> Could someone confirm this infinite loop:
>>
>> 1) Save your current work
>> 2) Create a DG Table in a stack
>> 3) Create 2 or 3 columns
>> 4) Add 3 lines in the content tab of your DG
>> 5) Open your "message watcher"
>> 6) With the mouse, set your DG height to show only 1 or 2 lines
>> 7) In the columns tab, hide all the columns
>>
>> What's happens for you in the message watcher?
>>
>>
> Bonjour,
> I confirm that I got an infinite loop (not possible to read what messages
> were repeated!).
> I had to force to quit Rev.
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
>
> André
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Re: A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread Klaus on-rev
Hi Charles,

> 
> I am trying to set up a preference file. I have two stacks - a splash stack
> and an app stack. The Prefs stack is a substack of the app stack and is not
> a separate stack I trying to use the url and binfile with specialfolder to
> set up my preference file in the appropriate place for windows
> (specialFolderPath(26) ) and mac (specialFolderPath("preferences")).

These functions will only return a path to a FOLDER, 
as the name "specialFOLDERpath" suggests!
You have to provide a filename, too!

Like:
...
specialFolderPath(26) & "/" & "your_prefs_file.prf"
...

> 
> I am getting an error message for  
> ...

See above "binfile:..." requires a filename but you only supply a FOLDER.


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Re: A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
charles61-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 10:35:29 AM, you wrote:

>   put arrayEncode(tPrefs) into url ("binfile:" &
> specialFolderPath("preferences")) --> I added this to save the prefs file

You need a filename as well as the path:

specialFolderPath("preferences") & "/" & tFileName

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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Richmond

On 07/07/2010 07:20 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote:

   

I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49.
 

Er.. but aren't you the one who's always extolling the
virtues of *free* software?

   


Yes; I do extoll the virtues of free software; and I have released some
free software myself - it comes "as is". I was only able to release that
because I do not depend on software sales for my bread and cheese.

Now, once one moves away from the free software model we are in 
different territory;

and I don't think the 2 really overlap.

I will be releasing a commercial variant of my free software in mid to 
late August;
mainly because the cost of bread and cheese is going up faster than my 
non-software
income . . .  :) And, to tell the truth, because I have had a 34 year 
fantasy that one day I

might be a "real" computer programmer who lives off his work.

If we examine RunRev; its model starts with a free version, revMedia, 
which is
supported by 2 commercial variants of the same thing - it is marvellous 
insofar

as everybody can "come to the table"; but those who want a glass of wine
and a side-dish have to pay. As the glass of wine and so on is really 
considerably

more than revMedia they have to pay quite a lot.

Of course there is NO SUCH THING as free software; all people who write 
software
have to eat; there are, however, various ways in which they can get 
their food. In my
own case my 'free' software is 'paid for' by the parents who send their 
children to my

EFL school (if only they knew . . .).

As soon as I see software that is not 'free' (i.e. the end-user is 
expected to pay for something)
I suspect that the programmer may be expecting to live fully or partly 
from software revenues.


If that is so, and the cost of bread-and-cheese is anything like what it 
is in Bulgaria they are

going to have to shift a lot of units at $49 a pop.

OR; some people have done a "quick-n-dirty" to see if 'the fish will 
bite', and if so,
they can invest considerably more time and effort in 'version 2' for 
which they

will charge considerably more money.

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A problem with this prefers script...

2010-07-07 Thread charles61

I am trying to set up a preference file. I have two stacks - a splash stack
and an app stack. The Prefs stack is a substack of the app stack and is not
a separate stack I trying to use the url and binfile with specialfolder to
set up my preference file in the appropriate place for windows
(specialFolderPath(26) ) and mac (specialFolderPath("preferences")).

I am getting an error message for  

put arrayDecode(tPrefs) into tPrefs

in the following script for the Prefs stack when I select Preferences from
the menu of my app during the run mode:

on preOpenStack
   set the loc of me to the loc of stack "S504"
   loadPrefs
end preOpenStack

on closeStack
   saveprefs
end closeStack

on loadPrefs pFilename
   local tPrefs
   
   IF the platform is "MacOS"   > I added this to retrieve the prefs
file for both Mac and Windows
   then 
  put url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath("preferences")) into tPrefs 
   end if
   
   IF the platform is "win32" 
   then 
  put url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath(26)) into tPrefs  
   end if
   
   put arrayDecode(tPrefs) into tPrefs > This is being being
flagged when I select Prefs from the menu in the run mode.
   
   -- Fill in all prefs data...
   put tPrefs["Myschool"] into field "MySchool"
   put tPrefs["Myschool"] into field "school system" of card "referral" of
stack "S504"
   put tPrefs["agent"] into field "agent"
   put tPrefs["agent"] into field "agent" of card "letter" of stack "S504"
   put tPrefs["agent"] into field "agent" of card "adult letter" of stack
"S504"
   put tPrefs["contact"] into field "contact"
   put tPrefs["contact"] into field "contact" of card "letter" of stack
"S504"
   put tPrefs["contact"] into field "contact" of card "adult letter" of
stack "S S504"
   put tPrefs["email"] into field "email"
   put tPrefs["email"] into field "email" of card "letter" of stack "S504"
   put tPrefs["email"] into field "email" of card "adult letter" of stack
"S504"
end loadPrefs

on savePrefs pFilename
   local tPrefs
   
   --fill in all of my data
   put field "mySchool" into tPrefs["school name"]
   put field "agent" into tPrefs["agent"]
   put field "contact" into tPrefs["contact"]
   put field "email" into tPrefs["email"]
   
   IF the platform is "MacOS" 
   then 
  put arrayEncode(tPrefs) into url ("binfile:" &
specialFolderPath("preferences")) --> I added this to save the prefs file
for Mac
   end if
   
   IF the platform is "win32" 
   then 
  put arrayEncode(tPrefs) into url ("binfile:" & specialFolderPath(26))
---> I added this to save the prefs file for Windows
   end if
   
end savePrefs

I would appreciate any help I can get on this script! This is my first
endeavor with using an array, binfile and specialFolderpath!

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RE: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Lynn Fredricks
> Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous.
> But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. 
> You can't, for example, free beer, unless you're liberating 
> it from its container and pouring a round for the room.

The "free as in beer" description always bothered me - after all, it can
only be used once ;-)

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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mike Bonner
Mmm liberated beer.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> René-
>
> Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote:
>
>> In French we have 2 words for "free"
>> free = gratuit (no money !)
>> free = libre (open ?)
>> ;-)
>
> Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous.
> But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't,
> for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its
> container and pouring a round for the room.
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
René-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:28:01 AM, you wrote:

> In French we have 2 words for "free"
> free = gratuit (no money !)
> free = libre (open ?)
> ;-)

Yes, in English as well: "The puppies are free" is quite ambiguous.
But only as and adjective - as a verb this is not the case. You can't,
for example, free beer, unless you're liberating it from its
container and pouring a round for the room.

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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread René Micout
In French we have 2 words for "free"
free = gratuit (no money !)
free = libre (open ?)
;-)

Le 7 juil. 2010 à 18:20, Mark Wieder a écrit :

> Richmond-
> 
> Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49.
> 
> Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the
> virtues of *free* software?
> 
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Re: Writing Externals in Pascal?

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter-

Monday, July 5, 2010, 4:59:11 PM, you wrote:

> Free Pascal. At the moment, I am testing calling a dynamic load
> library written in Free Pascal from Rebol (a language written in C)
> using C calling conventions.

Keep us posted on your progress - that's a promising start.

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Re: Having strange problem with the 'clone' command

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 6:54:17 AM, you wrote:

> I suspect that locking messages before the loop will prevent the IDE
> from intercepting the newGraphic message which it seems to be using to
> alter the new objects.

Brilliant! That solved a related problem that I didn't even know I
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 9:12:50 AM, you wrote:

> I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49.

Er... ... but aren't you the one who's always extolling the
virtues of *free* software?

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Re: Having strange problem with the 'clone' command

2010-07-07 Thread Alex Tweedly

On 07/07/2010 15:49, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Björnke von Gierke wrote:

You're running into the settings of the Rev IDE, these things will
not apply in a standalone. Relevant bug:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3290




Interesting, I'm glad you knew about it. If the IDE is interfering 
with the dimensions, would it work to lock messages, reset the 
template object, and then clone? Seems like that might avoid IDE 
interference.


Thanks everyone. That was indeed the problem, and "lock messages" is a 
good cure.


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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Richmond

On 07/07/2010 07:08 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:

You program in C/C++ and it converts it to Objective-C and uploads it to the
app store under the companies iphone dev license. From what I have read, the
code it generates is very very sloppy and slow.
   


I don't suppose one should expect TOO much for $49.
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Andrew Kluthe

You program in C/C++ and it converts it to Objective-C and uploads it to the
app store under the companies iphone dev license. From what I have read, the
code it generates is very very sloppy and slow.
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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi,

Clearly, DragonFireSDK didn't get approval from Apple. If you want to  
use your app on your iPhone, you have to upload it to a server, where  
it will be compiled with XCode. The website says you can distribute  
your app as if it were created on a Mac, but it isn't clear to me  
whether you can actually sell your app in the iTunes store (an "App  
Store" is mentioned). If DragonFireSDK had received approval, then the  
workaround and vague statements on the website wouldn't be necessary.  
I admire their courage :-)


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On 7 Jul 2010, at 15:38, charles61 wrote:

I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK,  
that
allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using  
Apple's SDK. I
believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night  
but did not
write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to  
confirm
the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be  
getting a lot

of hits today!
DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone  
simulator. The

program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/



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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread Ian Wood
It's been around since November at least, but information about it is *very* 
sparse. I'd be wary, myself.

Ian 

On 7 Jul 2010, at 15:38, charles61 wrote:

> 
> I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK, that
> allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using Apple's SDK. I
> believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night but did not
> write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to confirm
> the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be getting a lot
> of hits today! 
> DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone simulator. The
> program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/
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Re: Having strange problem with the 'clone' command

2010-07-07 Thread J. Landman Gay

Björnke von Gierke wrote:

You're running into the settings of the Rev IDE, these things will
not apply in a standalone. Relevant bug:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3290




Interesting, I'm glad you knew about it. If the IDE is interfering with 
the dimensions, would it work to lock messages, reset the template 
object, and then clone? Seems like that might avoid IDE interference.


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New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

2010-07-07 Thread charles61

I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK, that
allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using Apple's SDK. I
believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night but did not
write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to confirm
the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be getting a lot
of hits today! 
DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone simulator. The
program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/
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Re: Having strange problem with the 'clone' command

2010-07-07 Thread Richard Gaskin

Alex Tweedly wrote:

I've created one (called, with great imagination :), "R1") which has all
the correct characteristics, including a width and height of 8

But when I clone it to create my other shapes, the widths and heights
all come out to 120 instead of 8. I can fix this up (as I do in the
following code), but I don't understand why that would be necessary (or
what other properties might be different from what I expect).


I suspect that locking messages before the loop will prevent the IDE 
from intercepting the newGraphic message which it seems to be using to 
alter the new objects.


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Re: Having strange problem with the 'clone' command

2010-07-07 Thread Björnke von Gierke
You're running into the settings of the Rev IDE, these things will not apply in 
a standalone. Relevant bug:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3290


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Re: What about the new language from Apple?

2010-07-07 Thread Jerry Daniels
Andre...whole endeavor rumored to be very Ruby-esque. I think they are like 
Ruby blocks.

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On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I wearing my slashdot hat now, so that means I did not read the article but
> will indeed ask questions. Are those blocks something like ruby blocks or
> closures? any clue?
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 2010/7/6 François Chaplais 
> 
>> a good start is
>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9
>> If I understand well, its about finer granularity and management of
>> concurrent process. To allow, this, objective-c has be extended with new
>> entities called blocks. Blocks have a very small footprint by comparison to
>> threads, so actually it is easer to program because you use them extensively
>> with almost no worry.
>> Le 7 juil. 2010 à 01:46, JosepM a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I read some post about a new language that will be replace the
>> Objective-c
>>> called xLang.
>>> 
>>> Any idea? This can affect the next releases of Rev?
>>> 
>>> http://9to5mac.com/node/19165
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’re leaving this one open to the floor for comment, but would like to
>> note
>>> that operating systems must also grow, and development environments must
>>> continue to re-invent themselves as rationale to give this one air time,
>> but
>>> there's a rumor Apple's developing a new dev language to succeed
>>> Objective-C...
>>> DF reports via Michael Tsai one Jesper, who writes:
>>> 
>>> “After watching the eminently early and freely available WWDC 2010
>> session
>>> videos, I think my scales have finally tipped. It is my belief that Apple
>> is
>>> definitely working on a new language to surpass Objective-C as their
>>> intended, primary, publicly recommended programming language, which I
>> will
>>> call “xlang”.”
>>> 
>>> Clang, according to Wikipedia,  is a compiler front end for the C, C++,
>> and
>>> Objective-C programming languages. It uses the Low Level Virtual Machine
>>> (LLVM) as its back end. Its goal is to offer a replacement to the GNU
>>> Compiler Collection (GCC). Development is sponsored by Apple, and the
>> source
>>> code is licensed using a BSD-like open-source license.
>>> 
>>> This could be part of the company’s plans as developers seem to be
>> beginning
>>> to wax lyrical on how Objective-C may need tweaking.
>>> 
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Re: What about the new language from Apple?

2010-07-07 Thread Andre Garzia
Folks,

I wearing my slashdot hat now, so that means I did not read the article but
will indeed ask questions. Are those blocks something like ruby blocks or
closures? any clue?

Andre



2010/7/6 François Chaplais 

> a good start is
> http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/9
> If I understand well, its about finer granularity and management of
> concurrent process. To allow, this, objective-c has be extended with new
> entities called blocks. Blocks have a very small footprint by comparison to
> threads, so actually it is easer to program because you use them extensively
> with almost no worry.
> Le 7 juil. 2010 à 01:46, JosepM a écrit :
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I read some post about a new language that will be replace the
> Objective-c
> > called xLang.
> >
> > Any idea? This can affect the next releases of Rev?
> >
> > http://9to5mac.com/node/19165
> >
> >
> > We’re leaving this one open to the floor for comment, but would like to
> note
> > that operating systems must also grow, and development environments must
> > continue to re-invent themselves as rationale to give this one air time,
> but
> > there's a rumor Apple's developing a new dev language to succeed
> > Objective-C...
> > DF reports via Michael Tsai one Jesper, who writes:
> >
> > “After watching the eminently early and freely available WWDC 2010
> session
> > videos, I think my scales have finally tipped. It is my belief that Apple
> is
> > definitely working on a new language to surpass Objective-C as their
> > intended, primary, publicly recommended programming language, which I
> will
> > call “xlang”.”
> >
> > Clang, according to Wikipedia,  is a compiler front end for the C, C++,
> and
> > Objective-C programming languages. It uses the Low Level Virtual Machine
> > (LLVM) as its back end. Its goal is to offer a replacement to the GNU
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Re: [Data Grid] Infinite loop with DG Table

2010-07-07 Thread Andre.Bisseret


Le 6 juil. 10 à 21:27, zryip theSlug a écrit :


Dear List and especially DG users,

Could someone confirm this infinite loop:

1) Save your current work
2) Create a DG Table in a stack
3) Create 2 or 3 columns
4) Add 3 lines in the content tab of your DG
5) Open your "message watcher"
6) With the mouse, set your DG height to show only 1 or 2 lines
7) In the columns tab, hide all the columns

What's happens for you in the message watcher?



Bonjour,
I confirm that I got an infinite loop (not possible to read what  
messages were repeated!).

I had to force to quit Rev.

Best regards from Grenoble

André





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