Re: [Mandelbrot] Code Samples/Comparisons
Thanks Alejandro, Andre, Phil, Roger, Till, and others! How much time does this take to you, from understanding the code to creating the stack? I should have logged it eh? I would say the research on Mandelbrots was definitely the hardest part; that took me a few hours and I actually walked through the How to Draw a Mandelbrot by Hand wikiHow article. That was spread over a couple days. Finding the George Taylor article really gave me a leg up on coding the routine, and I would say I probably put an hour or so into actually building the stack, altogether, getting the basic plotting done. Then another 30 minutes getting the zoom function to work the way I wanted to and tweaking its layout. If you notice, the code in my uploaded stack varies a bit from what I posted, and runs slightly faster. Since then I've been really thinking about how to further speed up the rendering and how to best to handle the colorization part. I'm really glad you liked the post and stack; it's fun to play with. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Mandelbrot] Code Samples/Comparisons
Hi Mark, what about using task/code examples from http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/. Revcoders (us, runrev ltd?..) will I think that's a great idea. Sorry, Kevin, I think it's a Very Bad Idea. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! But I think it's a *great* example, and I am going to show you why. Let's start out with a few observations: - How practical is this? I took a closer look at the site. http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=mandelbrotlang=allbox=1 The goal of the routine is to generate a mandelbrot image in the .PBM format. Now, this has some relevance I suppose in testing CPU performance, but not exactly in the real world. How many programs read PBM, for one? None on my Mac, but Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro could read it on my Windows PC. How fun is it to run this program, then load the result up in a graphics editor? About as much fun as punch-card, batch programming. - The original Pascal program (or at least your transliteration of it) *has a bug!* Give the output file an extension of .pbm and load it into a program that can read that format. You'll find that the image is skewed more and more as the dimensions increase. http://revuser.com/mandel/orig-600.png In either Pascal or revTalk, as coded, it's going to be a challenge to find out where that bug lies. - It doesn't seem like it was that hard to transliterate the original Pascal code. I was impressed by the similarities, actually. Even then, there are portions of your revTalk version that are a little more readable. Since the vast majority of this is mathematics, and we're not out to reinvent algebraic notation, you're right that it's not the best showcase. Math is going to be math in any programming language. It's certainly not *less* readable. What makes it hard is the Mandelbrot formulas and especially the encoding into .pbm format (which is what requires all those bit operations. (Maybe all of the examples from that site are like this?) - Pascal is considered a pretty easy language. Did you check out what the solution looks like in Java? http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=mandelbrotlang=javaxintid=3 In C++? http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=mandelbrotlang=gppid=5 Woah! :) - Well our performance is a is a bit disappointing relative to the command line Pascal version, we *do* beat out variants of PHP, Python, Ruby, and Perl, depending on what your processor was versus the one used for the benchmarks. - You were able to add a nice GUI file selector dialog trivially. Now, imagine that your goal isn't to produce a .pbm image, but rather to show something on-0screen the user could interact with in some way. Things get more interesting. This is where Rev starts to shine. The further away you get from pure math and have to get into user interface, interaction with local and remote file systems, manipulating data sets, and business logic issues, the better we look. Our language abstracts the operating system, so developers don't need to be concerned with the proper API to call for common tasks. - Most (but not all) of us are not using Rev to generate Mandelbrot data. We're creating usable applications for business tasks, entertainment and educational software, database front-ends, etc. It might well be that this site/link is all about these kinds of math-intensive routines. I didn't look too closely at them, admittedly. What I did like about Viktoras' suggestion was that he found a site with some sample code in a variety of languages. I think it's healthy for us to look for such examples and discover the strengths and weaknesses that emerge when we try to express them in revTalk. My take on the productivity equation is that it's not merely the number of lines of code produced, and it's ultimately not even how fast the code executes. In most situations, it's how long it takes to express the algorithm, and debug it later on. To encapsulate algorithms in flexible user interfaces. To take things to an extreme: a routine built with machine code or assembly will always execute faster than one built in a high-level language. But how many of us could sit down and write a database front-end in assembly? How long would it take? How usable and adaptable would it be? Another way to look at things is from the artist's viewpoint. There are people who will never touch digital photography because they are expert at the analog process. There are illustrators who will never give up their charcoals. There are Lego builders who spurn the non-rectangular bricks! And thank heaven for them, because I respect the desire for control and attention to nuance. In a similar vein, other languages can indeed reward sweating details like what kind of number you're trying to store, manually allocating and releasing memory, etc. We're not promising to be the tool that lets you rewrite OpenGL or even build a competitor to Excel. Instead, we're a tool that complements these other
Re: OT OS X HD Partitioning, multiple OSs
Your main choice is to Boot Camp or not to Boot Camp. Your second choice is which virtual machine product to use. If you Boot Camp, you gain the advantage that you can reboot your Mac into Windows natively. This has performance and compatibility benefits, especially with games that use hardware acceleration. However you do have to give up hard disk space to the Boot Camp installation, which can be tricky to resize if you don't have a utility that will preserve the partition contents when resizing them. So give it as much space as you can reasonably justify. (I gave mine 80GB out of 320GB.) You also lose the ability to do snapshots of the Windows OS, which both leading virtual machine products support. (Snapshots let you muck around with the guest OS and then revert it to its previous state painlessly.) If you have more than 2GB or RAM, and you decide to Boot Camp, you should absolutely use Windows 7 Professional 64-bit or you will not be able to utilize all your RAM. [You're unlikely to give Windows more than 2GB RAM under a virtual machine.] Otherwise you could get away with Windows XP Professional or 32-bit Windows 7 Professional. Get an OEM version to save money. You need Professional or better to satisfy Microsoft licensing for VM use, and to get a decent feature set. Don't waste your time with Vista. Parallels is decidedly faster than VMware (verified personally and by a few in-depth reviews out there). It offers the Aero interface from within the Mac (pretty), and a new presentation option I like called Crystal. Both products are reportedly somewhat slower with Boot Camp partitions than with their own virtual ones. I've tried VirtualBox and it completely munged up one of my Linux partitions before ... only has to happen once. The Parallels support for Linux is a bit nicer than VMware's, and it's easier to install their virtual machine additions as well. I have tried both. VMware has a nasty habit of breaking your sound card support or mouse wheel or worse when it updates itself. This can be maddening to resolve unless you know Linux inside and out. I own both but use only Parallels now. You should probably go with Ubuntu, as it's recognized as the leading distro. If you never will run a Windows game or develop 3D applications with Rev, and will use Windows only occasionally, then the decision is easy: don't Boot Camp. This will eliminate the need for partitioning, give you the maximum usage of hard disk space for the Mac, and run more than well enough for most purposes. - Bill jim sims s...@ezpzapps.com wrote in message news:34483903-4ce5-43e9-90cf-c9f90470d...@ezpzapps.com... I might be getting a 13 160 GB MacBook Pro I'm thinking of using VMware Fusion to add at least one version of Windows or maybe more. This will hopefully be my travel machine that I want to use for development while away, so I'd like to get all I might need in it. I usually don't have tons of music, movies, and stuff on my machine so I think the 160 GB should do. What have other people done with their machines? What OS(s) have you loaded - XP, Vista,Windows 7? If Linux, what flavor might be the best/most common to develop for? How did you partition it? What sizes for each? What would you do differently if they did it over again (likely the most informative question/answer!)? TIA sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT OS X HD Partitioning, multiple OSs
Roger, Also, you won't have to keep converting your hd file between Parallels and Fusion. They will both comfortably use the same BootCamp partition (not at the same time of course). This led to great unhappiness last time I tried it, and constant re-activation of Windows, as well. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Code Samples/Comparisons
This is a very useful comment, Viktoras! I still want code. I will give a shiny new RunRev mug to the first five people who submit plausible, actual code samples to me according to my original request. - Bill viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net wrote in message news:4b18eb2e.6030...@ekoinf.net... what about using task/code examples from http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/. Revcoders (us, runrev ltd?..) will still have to write quality examples in Rev which would be a challenge :-) Quality of the code there is good enough as computer language benchmarks game aims to create the shortest and fastest running executables for all the open source languages out there. So both number of lines, speed of execution and memory use are taken into account.. I think for the community of revcoders it would be interesting to compare revTalk in that context too :-). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Code Samples/Comparisons
Hi everyone, We've taken your feedback to heart and will be putting effort into significantly improving our comparisons. (It obviously doesn't help to put up straw men.) To that end, I would very much appreciate contributions from the community. If you have code samples in other languages that you feel would be good illustrations of how revTalk can be shorter and/or more readable, please either post them to the list or mail directly to me -- bill.marriott (at) runrev.com. We're especially interested in : - ActionScript (Flash) - REALbasic - PHP and to a lesser extent - C/C++/C# - Visual Basic - Java - JavaScript If you are able to replicate the functionality with a revTalk example, all the better. Try to focus your efforts on real-world tasks, classic programming challenges, things everyone building software can relate to. And of course, areas where revTalk really shines. While it won't be the same as getting recognized experts [in those other languages] to produce the examples, I know there's a wealth of knowledge here in the use-list and am hoping you'll contribute some sterling examples. Thanks very much, Bill RunRev marketing guy Whatever the answer, Andre raised a very relevant point, with which I fully agree, that Rev is not well served by using a comparison against what others feel is very poor code. [...] To truly demonstrate Rev's ability against other code, get the code written by a recognised expert in that language (somebody like Bruce Eckel for Java and C++). Yes, it would cost money but I believe it would be money well spent. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is it possible to change the revlet embed html?
Mark, It's possible, but it's a bad idea. The template is stored as a custom property in an IDE stack, and changing it will change the HTML created for any revlet. I don't do much mucking around in the IDE, but I wonder what that custom property might be. Could the OP write a stack for his students which says something like, set the revHTMLtemplate of stack such-and-such to myHTML? These stacks aren't saved when you quit Rev, are they? If I'm right about both of these, couldn't his students double-click that stack, use his custom template, and quit without making permanent changes to revMedia? I could see some benefit to adjusting this template, perhaps I'll bring it up as a feature request for future versions. In the meantime, have you sleuthed down the name of that custom property? George, In a way, this situation is caused by the lack of a revMedia stack player, so that stacks could be saved after alteration (a new assignment added) instead of being transformed into an unchangeable revlet. I guess the folks at RunRev see a player as adding so much functionality that offering revMedia for free would no longer be good business. I'm not so sure about that. It's not that we find the Player to be adding so much functionality; nothing to do with business model per se. It's that the revWeb plugin is essentially the new Player. Better to focus on having one piece of software end users would install to play stacks than two. For one thing, it's one less code base to maintain. For another, when we flesh out the mechanics of hosting revlets within system windows, you would theoretically be able to double-click a revlet and have it open much like it did in the old Player. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Code Samples/Comparisons
David, Hmm. While that may be in the company's interest, is it really in ours. IMHO what's in RunRev's interests is in our users' interests. Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0 article on TheServerSide
Jan, Prepare for I'll stick with a real programming language, thank you very much remarks; but it will hopefully drive traffic to the runrev.com site for Java developers sitting on the fence with JavaFX, Flex,... Just remember, Real programmers don't use plain English. :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ethics... and the lack of it.
Alejandro, So let me be sure I have this right: 1) You wrote some software over time 2) The client decides to appraise the value of it, so he puts it out to bid 3) And intends to use the highest bid to declare the value of the software I suppose it all depends on what the meaning and context of declare is. For example: If I pay someone $10,000 to build a deck on my house, but it actually increases the value of the house by $50,000 somehow, then that would probably be a legitimate thing to do, if I was preparing to sell the house or accurately determine the property taxes due. Is he selling his business? Perhaps the client is trying to make a decision about the value of using a Rev-based solution (which may have lower development costs, but fewer people who know Rev well enough to maintain it) versus one that based on a more widely known tool (which may be more expensive to develop, but gives him greater flexibility choosing a developer). Where do you see the ethical dilemma? Is it that he is using the highest bid to determine the value, versus the average bid, or the actual amount paid? Each method could be appropriate in differing circumstances. Of course it could also be mis-used. Personally, I'd be interested in what he comes up with. This way you could market yourself to other clients saying, I developed a solution for $W in X amount of time that could well have cost my client up to $Y and taken Z amount of time! Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?
In 1987 Apple introduced a product based on the genius of SmallTalk that it called HyperCard. I've always been baffled by the comparisons to SmallTalk. Message passing, perhaps, but the syntax couldn't be more different. What back-room finagling prompted the MetaCard people to change their name [...] [...] the entire lineage of programming tools was based upon the insights of two men MetaCard did not change its name; the technology was purchased outright by RunRev; and Dan Winkler, not Bill Atkinson, invented HyperTalk. Winkler, incidentally, is a fan: I'm especially impressed with the way you've preserved the same feel and flavor of HyperCard even in all the new features you've added and revised... When I finally got to Revolution it was like coming home again... You have created a very worthy successor to HyperCard, the only one I've seen which captures, preserves and seamlessly extends everything I thought was great about the original. -- Dan Winkler ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?
Hi Randall, My intent in replying is not to say you're wrong or even to disagree with you... just to point out that Heather's only request was if one felt like posting to keep it positive -- in the sense of being respectful toward the *blog author*, not being positive about Revolution. Heather wrote: If you feel the urge to post a comment, the blogger is inviting debate - just keep it positive... it's probably best not to wade in guns blazing if you disagree with his view. I think there is an interesting debate to be had here. There's surely a diversity of opinions about Rev in the use-list; the posts are not 100% rosy. Some current and former customers have mentioned their dislikes, skepticism of our bold productivity claim, etc. Heather certainly invited that. I would hope there could be some way of posting notice here of a prominent article about us that would be regarded appropriate by everyone. Perhaps it was the wording that turned you off? What would you like to see happen in the future? Should news of such articles come only from customers? As a marketing guy (who did *not* request Heather's posting), I will say the guerilla effect is welcomed. Between this article and the coverage on Slashdot, our site traffic surged. It garnered us many new visitors... more in the space of a couple days than we usually get in a month. I certainly don't see the articles as fluff. They are controversial; the comments raise many points, good and bad, about us. The Slashdot threads being almost brutal. Yet we've seen thousands of fresh faces give our products a look-see for themselves. It's easy to forget how small we really are. The vast majority of people making software today have never heard of us. We are a tiny fraction of the former HyperCard user base. Yet, we are arguably the most successful, usable, and capable implementation of that vision around. We see ourselves as stewards of that legacy. Our major investments this past year, including the Web plugin and free revMedia, are designed not only to deliver more value to customers, but also to expose orders of magnitude more people to our unique philosophy of software construction. As fans of xTalk (a heritage we've reinforced and given homage to by naming our language revTalk), I would wish all of us would have a stake in the vitality of our efforts -- getting the word out and reminding people there is indeed still such a thing as programming for the rest of us. I, for one, wouldn't be coding at all these days if it weren't for Rev. - Bill, RunRev marketing guy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who's using what dbs?
Alex, I have had problems with MySQL and large BLOBs. Why use large BLOBs, as opposed to keeping them external to the DB and storing merely a reference to same? - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Repeat Loop
Actually, to reveal the true issue, try this: repeat with n = 0 to 1 step 0.1 put n tab (n - 1) * 1000 return after aList end repeat put aList into fld 1 Rounding error. On the second-to-last iteration, Rev doesn't think it's quite reached 1 yet, so it goes through the loop one more time. dunb...@aol.com wrote in message news:d38.5da91e5a.38386...@aol.com... Bug in last post; But going from -1 to 1 (or -1 to 0 or 0 to -1) gives 12 interations, one extra. --either 22 or 12, not 21 or 11. Anyway, one extra. An extra iteration is performed if 0 is within the range of the loop counter. It seems that when the counter reaches its max value, if 0 was in the range, the max value is run one more time. For the example of 0 to 1, the 1 is looped twice. Schwartz, Jonathan L. jschw...@mitre.org wrote in message news:17969d855f28964c88d177d45b6cdf11032fcb8...@imcmbx2.mitre.org... Has anyone had a problem with the following? on mouseUp repeat with n = 0 to 1 step 0.1 put n, after aList end repeat put aList end mouseUp Returns 0,0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9,1,1.1, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revlets and certificates
Devin, Can anyone tell me whether a revlet can use the security certificate of the host web server? Or does it need its own? I'm a relative certificate novice, so forgive me if my question is hopelessly naïve. I don't believe revlets would use a cert; the revWeb plugin does. That's the code that's actually running from the OS perspective; the revlet is just a document that the revWeb plugin is playing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: get the color of this card at x,y
That code didn't work for me ... Probably need something more like, lock screen put the screenmouseLoc into coord set the screenmouseLoc to 350,350 put the mousecolor set the screenmouseLoc to coord unlock screen Alternately, one can export snapshot consisting of a single pixel and parse its contents. Wilhelm Sanke wrote get the color of this card at x,y and I would expect it to contain r,g,b click at x,y put the mousecolor ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting url
Google is detecting the browser you're using and formatting the results differently. The default User Agent String for Rev is something like Revolution(Win32). Use the httpHeaders command to set one that resembles your desired browser. e.g.: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1) The resulting HTML code should then match. James Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote in message news:097c4fd2-75da-40c9-ab0a-cdfc8e168...@sbcglobal.net... I am trying to do address verification. For example, the county DB lists the following two address 10187 Grinding Rock Dr [tab] Grass Valley CA 95945 and also 10187 Grinding Rock Dr [tab] Grass Valley CA 95949 I want to find out (programatically) if the zip should be 95945 or 95949 So here is my dillema: When I do a Google search for the 95945 zip code address I get a page that tells me that the zip code should be 95949 When I compare the source code of this page with the RunRev result from the following: get url http://www.google.com/search?q=10187%20Grinding%20Rock%20Dr%09Grass%20Valley,%20CA%2095945 The value of it is not the same as the source code of the Google search page. Not even close. What am I missing? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Biting the Apple
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/development_tools/revolutionmedia.html I assure you our press release is correct on that. But more importantly, Apple lists us their all on their own; we did not contact them. My review of that page shows: What's New in this Version - Now Free - Publish to the Web - Dynamic Graphic Effects - Learning and Reference - Usability Did I miss a reference to a price tag that we should notify Apple about (in addition to the name change to revMedia)? Marc Siskin wrote: Great placement! Now we have to get the press release corrected to show that RevMedia is free and not $49. On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I saw RevMedia here: http://www.apple.com/downloads/ today. Congratulations, RunRev! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How do I renew license?
Michael, The Order Now button directs to to the Early software assurance package page for your edition of Rev. Simply enter your license code as supplied in the email, and you will receive the price shown. There are no additional discounts on this price. Normally your license code would not be eligible for the Early update package, and you would have to purchase the normal update pack, which is twice as expensive. The offer went out to select Enterprise and Studio customers and is only available until the end of this week. Somehow the, You'll get all the new versions of revStudio released for the coming year automatically sentence in your email is incorrect. It should say revEnterprise. We'll be sending a reminder mail at the end of the week and ensure our instructions are more clear. - Bill Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:345288.70445...@web56704.mail.re3.yahoo.com... Can anyone point me to the webpage where I can renew my license at the special expired a long time age price. I always end up at the regular order page. Is there a special coupon code I need? Thanks for the help. One more thing: I get the digest, so if someone responds could they also send me an e-mail. This is the promo I received: Our records show you are an existing user of revEnterprise. Normally, because you purchased so long ago, your license would not qualify for the lowest upgrade pricing. But as part of our Rev 4.0 launch celebration, you have the opportunity to get revEnterprise 4.0 at our lowest possible upgrade price, just $199 instead of the usual upgrade of $399. That's a $200 savings when you act by Nov 20. Plus, your software assurance pack purchase today will ensure you get the new stuff we have coming. You'll get all the new versions of revStudio released for the coming year automatically. Just click the Order Now button to take advantage of this offer. For your convenience, your existing license code is: x ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Colin wrote: If a thousand people experience great performance and one person experiences very poor performance, would it not seem worthwhile to consider the cause of the difference may lie with the system's configuration? You can't use logic for this case, otherwise you would argue that if on a particular machine you can open and run a stack without any issues in 2.9, and if you open and run the stack in 4.0 you get two minute long lock up of the machine every time you press a certain key, obviously 4.0 is the only thing that was changed in the test, and so must be at fault. Actually, one can and should use logic here. The former is an example of logic; the latter is, well, superstition. The difference is sample size. If I buy two loaves of bread at the store, and one is stale but the other is fresh, I can make no logical inferences about the cause of the staleness even if superficial aspects like expiration date and wrapper color are the same and the only apparent difference is the brand. The fault could lie among a hundred different variables. You cannot compare two loaves and say with any confidence that Brand X is a better bakery than Brand A. Neither loaf can be said to be representative of the larger population. However if 999 loaves of Brand X turn up fresh and one loaf is stale, it's logically valid to infer there must be something about the unique handling/processing/delivery/storage of that particular loaf that has caused the problem. Perhaps the wrapper was torn while unpacking, or a 6-year-old kid with grubby hands opened it and stole a slice while it was on the store shelf, etc. Mark wrote: Who says that thousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! Mark, I'm sure that if it took you minutes to hide/show the Tools Palette and anything more than milliseconds to navigate between cards, we would have heard from you about it before now. I would also say that investigating reasons for mysterious slowdowns in projects is an unavoidable task in any development environment, especially one like Rev which is designed for authoring/deployment on so many varied platforms. Having said that, a refresh of the IDE probably is needed -- for efficiency, to update the look-and-feel, and to exploit new features like behaviors --and is in the works. In this particular instance there are so many variables and factors we do not know about the situation. Does this problem occur with all stacks or just the 16MB one? Is the Property Inspector open, and to what pane? Are there any third-party add-ons installed that have not been designed for the post-2.9 world? It's also easier than ever to do testing, especially on Windows where you have Microsoft's Virtual PC 2007 and freely downloadable images of the Windows XP and Vista operating system. I'd really like to see what happens if Horst downloads one of those images, installs Rev 4.0 fresh, and tries his stack. I'm not saying there definitely is NOT some obscure change made in Rev 4.0 that causes this interaction. But I'm saying it hasn't cropped up before despite extensive usage by hundreds of other people. I'm confident that a configuration change will solve the problem, or failing that we will learn something about the particular usage scenario that needs to be addressed, either by the end user or RunRev. Without going through the troubleshooting process, we will never know. It certainly isn't fair to encounter something like this and throw one's hands up saying, Ah, Rev 4.0 is obvious crap! Richmond wrote: There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. Perhaps. But as someone who wrote just over three years ago that Quality is Job #1, I have to disagree with this school. We've come a long, long way. RunRev spent more than a year and a half working on the free-for-almost-everyone Rev 2.9, which addressed hundreds of those issues, re-architected tons of internals, and brought the Linux edition up to speed with the other platforms. The result was a measurable, marked improvement in quality, and a more robust platform that has enabled much-needed nuts-and-bolts enhancements since then: the new tabbed script editor (3.0); the data grid and behaviors (3.5); and the Web plugin (4.0). All of which have been delivered on a predictable schedule with more far more external testing -- both in terms of number of users and length of testing -- than prior versions. At the same time, we have halved the retail price of the product and even introduced the free and highly
Re: Revolution on 65 Bit Windows
Stewart, Rev and its standalones have worked just fine on my 64-bit versions of Vista and Windows 7. Haven't tried Windows Server 2008, but I'm sure that would work too. I don't know if this has been answered before, but I need to know if you can run a compiled Revolution application on a 64 bit Windows machine running either Windows Vista or Windows Server 2008? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
I wouldn't try to run Win98 on bare-metal new hardware, as there are likely to be new devices (including motherboard/chipset drivers) which Win98 doesn't know about. But within Virtual PC 2007 and at least VMWare it runs perfectly. I haven't tried to run it under Parallels. Also, be sure you are trying to install a pure Win98, not an OEM-branded distribution, as those are often highly customized for the particular hardware they are provided with. Specific cases of trouble aside, it *does* work generally, and it's really great to have the ability to have multiple machines-within-machines running at near 100% performance with support for virtualization in modern CPUs. The inability to run Mac OS within a virtualized environment is a huge disadvantage for developers. Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote in message news:49ca2471-a5f1-4d8f-bf1d-5d2a184af...@twft.com... Really? Maybe it's better now, but when I tried to install it in parallels I could not get it to work in spite of all the help and docs that described how you could. Further, we had to abandon an old air conditioning control system because it ran as a DOS Shell and we couldn't install 98 on any new laptops or towers from Dell. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM Sent from iPhone On Aug 26, 2009, at 14:41, William Marriott w...@wjm.org wrote: Which unlike Mac OS, you can still run on even the latest hardware and software (Core i7, Windows 7 64-bit) in a wholly supported, high- performance way via Virtual PC 2007 (and several other VM products). Richmond Mathewson wrote: Reminds me of Windows 98; which, if you are a Windows fan, was a fairly high point. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Player?
You'll find links to download the Rev Player 3.0 here: http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ Specifically: http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/media/3.0.0-gm-3/Revolution%20Player.exe http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/media/3.0.0-gm-3/Revolution%20Player.dmg Paul Gabel paulga...@comcast.net wrote in message news:13c97a03-d1fc-4fbf-926f-8b3c87275...@comcast.net... Does anyone know if Revolution Player is still being supported? All I can find is Player 2.7.1, and my stack created in Rev 3.5 won't open in it. Thank you, Paul Gabel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4 beta status
Patience, grasshopper :) You wouldn't want a plugin that opened your computer to security threats or crashed your browser would you? I'm not saying Beta 1 won't do those things, but they won't be as obvious or frequent. Keep in mind we also are supporting the following platforms: Safari Mac Firefox 3.0/3.5 Mac IE7/IE8 Windows XP IE7/IE8 Vista/7 Firefox 3.0/3.5 Windows XP Firefox 3.0/3.5 Vista Firefox Linux ... and variations like Chrome and Opera We're discovering each of these has its own little quirks. Point taken about not being so optimistic about beta announces. Len Morgan len-mor...@crcom.net wrote in message news:4a572091.2030...@crcom.net... Now TWO weeks and not a peep. Any kind of update on the progress? For future reference: I would have been far happier getting a surprise email letting me know a beta was available than getting told one would be available and then not seeing it. Sometimes, ignorance IS bliss. Kevin Miller wrote: Hi all, Well folks, we got really very close to having a build this evening [...] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Terms: revLet, webLet?
revlets is indeed the official term and they can be used on ANY host not just on-rev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: looking for a good Zip Tool on Mac
Tiemo, I am looking for a Mac OS (freeware?) Zip-Tool with a GUI, where you can choose Source and Target Dir, as you can do it with all zip tools on Win. I highly recommend 7-zip. http://7-zip.org/download.html If you scroll down you will see versions for Mac OS X. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: moving domain to on-rev
No, the name of the folder does not have to include the .com suffix. In fact it could be anything at all. Claudi Cornaz claud...@fiberworld.nl wrote in message news:e83961a8-510c-4517-a70e-ead1bedb7...@fiberworld.nl... Thanks for the reply Bill, I have now created a subdomain cc-imaginering, which is working. I will now ask my isp to try again to change the nameservers, hoping it will work this time. I have one more question though. Now there is no .com or, .nl in my case, for the subdomains site folder. Do I have to change this for the add on domain, or does the name for the site folder just stay cc-imaginering. Best wishes, Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: moving domain to on-rev
Claudi, I'm not sure if you're following the right steps. There are two kinds of domains: - sub my is the sub of on-Rev in http://mysite.on-rev.com - add-on domain my.com is the domain of http://www.mysiite.com An add-on domain is really what I would prefer to call a true domain. You cannot create a true domain on on-Rev without having the DNS pointing to us. And cPanel won't complain if you follow these steps: 1. Create a SUB domain my. Put the folder at the top level like I suggested. 2. Upload your files there 3. Verify everything works by going to http://mysite.on-rev.com 4. When you're satisfied it works, make no further changes to your site on the original host 5. Switch the nameservers over to on-Rev 6. Set up an ADD-ON domain on on-Rev for my.com, pointing to your existing folder. The DNS change will take 24-48 hours for everyone on the Internet to be updated with your new address, but will occur instantly for many, and within a couple hours for most. In the meantime, visitors will just see your old site until their particular DNS server gets the updated information, at which point they will go to your new site on on-Rev. They should not get any errors if you follow this procedure. Use mysite.on-rev.com for your own purposes (FTP, checking web pages) until you are certain the DNS has been updeted for yourself. I've followed this process for a couple domains already and unless something has changed recently, I know it works. - Bill Claudi Cornaz claud...@fiberworld.nl wrote in message news:049e3cce-1431-4ea9-b62b-e920b1df8...@fiberworld.nl... Hi all, I am trying to move a existing domain to on-rev. The site is on line and I want to transfer it. So as sugested in a couple of posts I started out by adding a domain to my on-rev account via cPanel. I set the home directory of this site at the root level and not within the public_html folder of my home folder. (this was suggested by Bill in one of the posts I've read) cPanel did complain, exactly like I read in the posts but did create the folder for this domain anyway (including a cgi-bin folder), so all looked ok. I transfered some files over and tryed to acces the index file at: www.claudi.on-rev.com/cc-imaginering.nl/index.html (cc-imaginering.nl is the domain I try to move) to see if it works. Unfortunatly I got a 404 errror. (the requested URL /cc-imaginering.nl/ index.html was not found on this server) The same file uploaded to my public_html folder works just fine My first question is how do I get to my site to test it. Is the URL I entred wrong? Is there some setting I overlooked? The second problem I encoutered is the following There is a part of the site which I don't want to be down for a couple of days while the DNS update takes place so I contacted my ISP where the site is currently hosted and asked them to change the nameservers to ns1.on-rev.com and ns2.on-rev.com but leaving the site on there servers till the DNS update has taken place. They where ok with this and tried to do it. Next I got a mail from them telling me that they got the following error from SIDN Errors=1, Warnings=1, Informational=1 ** Summary: REJECTED cc-imaginering.nl. Some problems need to get fixed: - Some of your name servers cannot be used (are broken). ** Full check report: * general reports Warning: all specified name servers are on sub-net 74.54.153.0/24 * primary name server ns1.on-rev.com. [BROKEN] Broken: the name server does not know of domain cc-imaginering.nl. * secondary name server ns2.on-rev.com. Info: problems with the primary, so not all tests run. ** DNScheck 4.2.6, 2009/06/29 15:45:16 CEST+0200 fail I don't know if both things are related, maybe, but I realy like the site to stay working during the DNS update I hope that it is possible. If anyone can help me out I would appriciate it very much Sincerly, Claudi ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inefficient code - Solutions
Thanks for the encouragement! I have uploaded the test stack to [the new] revOnline, with some enhancements to make it easier and more fun to test. the tags are: compare algorithm benchmark bitmap difference imageData performance pixels I've also uploaded it here: http://bill.on-rev.com/linked/Compare2.zip The full script for my algorithm is: -- -- put 0 into currPixel -- ImageA contains the imageData of image A -- ImageB contains the imageData of image B -- script assumes both images are the same dimension put the length of ImageA into dataLength put dataLength into rangeToCheck -- check a range of pixels for differences. -- the range begins with the full image repeat while currPixel dataLength -- keep slicing the range in half until we find unchanged pixels repeat while byte currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageA \ byte currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageB -- aha, the range we're testing has changes if rangeToCheck = 8 then -- eight bytes is at least two pixels... -- it's still too big; slice it in half put rangeToCheck div 4 div 2 * 4 into rangeToCheck else -- we're down to a single changed pixel now -- record which pixel has changed (offset within the imageData) put 1 into bytesChanged[currPixel+1] -- move to the next pixel; -- assume that changed pixels are near each other add 4 to currPixel end if end repeat -- we found one or more unchanged pixels; skip this section of data add rangeToCheck to currPixel -- and update the range to encompass the remainder of the image put dataLength - currPixel into rangeToCheck end repeat -- -- Jerry J j...@jhj.com wrote in message news:f1333741-0799-4e69-b341-eb047c9d9...@jhj.com... Bill, I'd like to see your final test stack also. I have another approach, but it doesn't give correct answers yet, at least I don't think so - at this point I'm no longer sure what the right answers are. Mine's recursive, and I can't wait to get it running right so we can see how fast it is (or not). --Jerry J ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: moving domain to on-rev
I'm not sure how my earlier post got mangled, perhaps spell checking? Here's a tidier version. There are two kinds of domains: - subdomain mysite is the subdomain of on-Rev in http://mysite.on-rev.com - add-on domain mysite.com is the domain of http://www.mysite.com An add-on domain is really what I would prefer to call a true domain. You cannot create a true domain on on-Rev without having the DNS pointing to us. And cPanel won't complain if you follow these steps: 1. Create a SUB domain mysite. Put the folder at the top level like I suggested. 2. Upload your files there 3. Verify everything works by going to http://mysite.on-rev.com 4. When you're satisfied it works, make no further changes to your site on the original host 5. Switch the nameservers over to on-Rev 6. Set up an ADD-ON domain on on-Rev for mysite.com, pointing to your existing folder. The DNS change will take 24-48 hours for everyone on the Internet to be updated with your new address, but will occur instantly for many, and within a couple hours for most. In the meantime, visitors will just see your old site until their particular DNS server gets the updated information, at which point they will go to your new site on on-Rev. They should not get any errors if you follow this procedure. Use mysite.on-rev.com for your own purposes (FTP, checking web pages) until you are certain the DNS has been updated for yourself. I've followed this process for a couple domains already and unless something has changed recently, I know it works. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inefficient code - Solutions
Bernd, Actually in my testing on my machines, over about 20 tests, your change ends up being slightly slower by about 1%, depending on the images :) I think it's because you downshift into checking pixel-by-pixel again, and there would have to be fewer checks that way then if the check range were larger. It's interesting how the timed duration can change from one execution to the next. [I] added a forward search when the comparison is not unequal, figuring that going forward yields faster results. Well it kind of does, if one thinks 5 to 10 milliseconds are an improvement... put 4 into tIncrement [...] -- we found one or more unchanged pixels; skip this section of data add rangeToCheck to currPixel -- this is added to Bill's original code -- assume there are more unchanged pixels and go forwards repeat while char currPixel+1 to currPixel+tIncrement of ImageA = \ char currPixel+1 to currPixel+tIncrement of ImageB add tIncrement to currPixel add tIncrement to tIncrement if tIncrement dataLength then exit repeat end repeat -- end addition to Bill's code -- and update the range to encompass the remainder of the image put dataLength - currPixel into rangeToCheck ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inefficient code - Solutions
Bernd, Thanks for the pointer... I believe I've corrected the error. Here's the key part of the loop with friendly variable names and comments: -- starting with the whole image, check a range of pixels for differences -- keep slicing the range in half until we find a block of unchanged pixels repeat while char currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageA \ char currPixel+1 to currPixel+rangeToCheck of ImageB -- aha, the range we're testing has changes if rangeToCheck = 8 then -- eight bytes is at least two pixels... it's still too big; slice it in half put rangeToCheck div 4 div 2 * 4 into rangeToCheck else -- we're down to a single changed pixel now -- record which pixel has changed (offset within the imageData) put 1 into bytesChanged[currPixel+1] -- move to the next pixel; assume that changed pixels are near each other add 4 to currPixel end if end repeat -- we found one or more unchanged pixels; skip this section of data add rangeToCheck to currPixel -- and update the range to encompass the remainder of the image put dataLength - currPixel into rangeToCheck end repeat My routine will be optimal the fewer changes there are in the image, and the less distributed (more localized) those changes are. It took about 680 ms on my 2.66 GHz Core i7 Vista system, so I took the progress bar out. :) Can anyone improve on it? BNig niggem...@uni-wh.de wrote in message news:24255723.p...@talk.nabble.com... I like the ideas to speed up the analysis of differences among 2 images. My impression is that your approach with div 2 is leading to erroneous resutls because by dividing by 2 you break the 4 byte blocks of imagedata. 150 div 2 = 75, 75 div 2 = 37, 37 div 2 = 18. You get the idea. You eventually compare blocks of 4 that belong to 2 pixels. That can be alright but not in all [...] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ON-REV] on-rev server and labelling directories cgi-bin
Nicolas, I've encountered this on other cPanel-based hosts. The ISP was not much help, however. I think cPanel protects that directory so that only internal processes can access it, for security. Try using the form on on-Rev's support page if you haven't already... - Bill Pushing the OT envelope maybe but... Does the on-rev server treat subdirectories and their contents differently when the directory housing them is labelled cgi-bin? [...] when I try to access the images inside kweto.net/cgi-bin/junkimg/, I get a 500 error. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: runrev 4.0 - kudos and a gripe
Hi Sean, A few thoughts on your comments: 1) Drop shadows, etc., may not seem like much, but in an era where you have both Mac OS X and Vista/7 putting them around windows, etc., it's awfully nice -- more than nifty -- to be able to put glows around things programmatically because you can create a sense of depth and professionalism consistent with the OS. It will now be super-easy to have shadow and glows to enhance the user experience, for example with mouseovers, button hilites, and picking up objects that you are manipulating. And it's also useful for the revWeb plug-in content people will be creating, since the visual appeal is so important. It's a great workflow enhancement, too, because it obviates the need to create these effects in a separate drawing program. 2) These features are not added at the expense of a new field that has enhanced text formatting. I'm not going to say they were easy to add, but they are considerably more straightforward than reworking the field object. The field object, as you can imagine, is wired into everything. Adding something like set the dropShadow of graphic 1 to true is one thing; adding tab stop alignment is something altogether different, because there are lots of implications for the engine, the IDE, the language syntax, existing stacks, etc. We do have a plan for enhanced text formatting in fields and have been working toward that under the hood for a while now. It will come in time, and we want to do it right. 2.5) The data grid is not not a replacement for this feature, but it in the meantime it significantly enhances the data presentation abilities of Rev because it addresses many of the limitations that prevented people from using Rev for data-intensive solutions. 3) Critically important to the long-term success of Rev is having more people speak the language. Getting our Web story together in the cohesive way it's taking shape will enable us to do this. Although we may not be enabling people to recreate Word, we are empowering potentially millions of people to rediscover Web authoring and get things done because we offer a single language that can be used for the desktop, the server, and Web multimedia/tools across Mac, Windows, and Linux. No one else does that. No one. It is a unified and comprehensive platform that will allow Rev developers to create not just casual Web content (such as animations, simulations and games) but innovative new products, n-tier client/server apps, and hosted solutions, not to mention dramatically expanding their market and easing distribution. Adobe AIR and Microsoft Silverlight are struggling to get their Web-to-desktop story right; we already have that, and it's considerably easier and more accessible that their offerings. 4) The revServer technology will be available for installation on one's own hardware/hosting in the future. There will be a free version and a paid version. We are still working things out on that front, so I cannot be more specific. In the meantime, we have a very affordable option for the public to take advantage of these capabilities today, with their own domains, etc. And it's quite functional despite its pre-release status. Unlike other server technologies at this price range we have a very nice integrated authoring environment with a code editor, script manager, debugger, and variable watcher. It's leaps and bounds ahead of where we used to be with the old CGI engine, and I've seen some projects people have done that have just knocked my socks off. I might mention that the performance is absolutely phenomenal compared with PHP and alternatives. If on-Rev and revServer don't give you goose bumps, I don't know what will. 5) The visual effects are not the only new features in Rev 4.0. We didn't have time to get to this in the Webinar, but there will be a new externals interface which is very exciting because it will allow for exchange of binary data and arrays, as well as passing pointers so data doesn't have to be copied and externals operate much more quickly and efficiently. This opens up amazing new possibilities, including the potential for a third-party solution to your concerns. There is an in-depth session on this with our chief technology officer at the RunRevLive.09 conference. In short, Rev 4.0 (along with revServer) will be our most significant release ever. It comes as giant leap after two years of steady, step-by-step advances. I personally see it as the most exciting news since the availability of MetaCard as a cross-platform solution for xTalk. This is not to say a new field is unimportant, but hopefully this post explains that this is about much more than just a pretty new logo. - Bill Shao Sean shaos...@wehostmacs.com wrote in message news:0421bb33-d464-4cc3-872b-55c577ce8...@wehostmacs.com... kudos - web plugin - server-side scripting (and maybe some day it will be released to the public) -
Re: runrev 4.0 - kudos and a gripe
Hi David, I'd prefer not to find out that the Rev Web Plugin lack certain core features a few weeks before release, and I'd like to think that by suggesting and discussing them with the community this input would help RunRev ensure the new products are as good as they could be given the resources invested. What is *not* going to be in the first version of the plug-in (e.g.: talking with JavaScript) is something that has only recently been decided, as we approach the betas and release. This is typical of the software development cycle; you cut features you don't think will make it as the ship date nears. I have to say that I find runrev quite open to input from members of the community. After all, my association with them began as a poster to the use-rev list. Most all of the development priorities over the last two years (beginning with Rev 2.8.1 and the free Rev 2.9 release) have been driven by communication with users -- either through reading the forums and lists, direct emails, multiple surveys, the Quality Control Center, online events, or conferences like last year's RunRevLive.08. (That's why having RunRevLive.09 in Edinburgh, where you can speak face-to-face with the entire engineering and management team, is such an advantage, and why we've put the effort into the Web Simulcast of this year's dev conference.) The company has grown a lot in this respect and I would suggest it's now superior in this regard compared to many other software publishers. It's not that we don't know what our users want, or it didn't occur to us that communication with JavaScript (or richer text fields) was a desireable capability. It's that we have a long list of things we want to do and have to choose carefully what comes first. Based on the overwhelmingly enthusiastic response to the plugin, I think we've demonstrated it will be quite exciting and usable and worthwhile even without this capability in the first release. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Game update
John, For anyone interested in wasting some time, I've updated the 'Air Traffic Control' game stack on Rev Online. The animation is a bit smoother in the new version. Excellent work ... and a very addictive game! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inefficient code - Solutions
I also forgot one other critical speed factor: the imagedata uses *four* bytes per pixel in the image, and the first byte is always the same. So checking every byte requires four times as many tests as required, compared to checking four bytes at a time. [Weirdly, my first byte always shows as 255, not 0, as stated in the docs and as working for others.] I spent a little bit of time putting together a stack with different kinds of images and a script which reflects some of the concepts I discussed. (By no means is it a formal O(ND) difference algorithm!) It's actually not truly recursive. On my Core i7 920 system, it takes 10 milliseconds (versus 289) to process a 200x300 image with minimal delta from source; 842 milliseconds (versus 7312) for a 1600x1200 resolution screenshot comparison. The stack (with various image types) can be found here: http://bill.on-rev.com/linked/Compare.rev Here is the core of the script: -- where L is the length of the imagedata, -- r is initially set to L, n c are initialized to 0 repeat while c L repeat while char c+1 to c+r of a char c+1 to c+r of b add 1 to n; if n mod 1000 = 0 then set the thumbPosition of scrollbar Progress to c if r = 8 then put r div 2 into r else put 1 into hAll[c div 4 * 4+1] -- report delta add 4 to c end if end repeat add r to c put L - c into r end repeat I suspect there is a subtle math error in here as it generates a slightly different number of changed pixels compared to the byte-by-byte method, but it does reflect the divide and conquer approach, and testing four bytes at the minimum, as opposed to one at a time. Also, I realized that in the edge condition of an image being 100% different from the source, the original method can't be beat. But in the case of screen shots where you might have only a tiny portion of the screen changing, there is much room for improvement over the original approach. This is a very interesting challenge and I hope others pick it up and further refine the algorithm. - Bill p.s.: Richmond: Thanks for your stack/images. Remember, you can just replace spaces with %20 in urls to get them to behave :) http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/IMAGE%20COMPARE.rev.zip Bill Marriott w...@wjm.org wrote in message news:h23uk6$as...@ger.gmane.org... Bert, Others have pointed out the delay introduced by updating a progress bar with every pixel and suggested updating it every 100 or 500 pixels or so. Similarly, comparing byte-by-byte is going to be slow. An immediate, simple improvement will be achieved by comparing *groups* of pixels between the two images. For example, if your image is 10,000 bytes in size, comparing 500 bytes at a time results in 20 comparisons instead of 10,000 comparisons. As you find differences in a block of 500 bytes, you can then down-shift to find the differences within that 500-byte block with more granularity. A refinement on this approach is simply to divide and conquer by constantly dividing the image by half and recursively testing the halves for differences. If the differences between the two images are small, the comparison can be near-instant. One of the classic papers on checking for differences between data sets can be found here: http://xmailserver.org/diff2.pdf Of course, the language in that paper is way beyond my comprehension ;) I'll putter around with expressing these concepts elegantly in Rev, but hopefully this gives you or someone else on the list a starting point for an algorithm that is dramatically faster than byte-for-byte testing. (I'd love to see the O(ND) difference algorithm properly implemented in Rev code.) - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4 Preview Webinar - Video Link
Michael, Wow. This took several minutes: http://imp.on-rev.com/webinars/index.html Yes, we know how to convert to mp4, that isn't the problem. Your version of the video is not acceptable: - It's more than 3x the file size: 151 Mb; the original WMV is 46 Mb - It's half the dimensions of the original, the text of scripts is unreadable. We simply cannot demonstrate a programming product without the code being crisp and clear. - It does not stream -- must be downloaded completely before viewing, which makes the file size even more of an issue - It's in mp4, which simply transfers the burden of installing software from Mac to Windows users For all its flaws, WMV has a built-in codec suitable for screen captures (in which most of the pixels from moment-to-moment are unchanged) as opposed to H.264, which is optimized for video. While you balk at the format for political reasons, Flip4Mac a free and quick download for end users, and WMA/WMV is common enough that many people have it already. It's not like we're forcing anyone to convert their library of videos or author using WMV. The videos even play back using the QuickTime Player, or within the browser window itself. GoToWebinar has its issues, but it's the best value for web conferences we've found for our needs. Webex, for example, accommodates only 25 users per meeting without special arrangement. Our Rev 4.0 webinar had almost 350 attendees. And the video is created automatically at the conclusion of the event, which means we have to spend a whole five minutes of post-production (to trim the start and end) and we're done. That enables us to upload the result quicker, and leaves me more time to participate in the use-list. :) - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inefficient code
Bert, Others have pointed out the delay introduced by updating a progress bar with every pixel and suggested updating it every 100 or 500 pixels or so. Similarly, comparing byte-by-byte is going to be slow. An immediate, simple improvement will be achieved by comparing *groups* of pixels between the two images. For example, if your image is 10,000 bytes in size, comparing 500 bytes at a time results in 20 comparisons instead of 10,000 comparisons. As you find differences in a block of 500 bytes, you can then down-shift to find the differences within that 500-byte block with more granularity. A refinement on this approach is simply to divide and conquer by constantly dividing the image by half and recursively testing the halves for differences. If the differences between the two images are small, the comparison can be near-instant. One of the classic papers on checking for differences between data sets can be found here: http://xmailserver.org/diff2.pdf Of course, the language in that paper is way beyond my comprehension ;) I'll putter around with expressing these concepts elegantly in Rev, but hopefully this gives you or someone else on the list a starting point for an algorithm that is dramatically faster than byte-for-byte testing. (I'd love to see the O(ND) difference algorithm properly implemented in Rev code.) - Bill Bert Shuler bertshu...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:c226bc83-61ac-4267-a24c-e32c8c7ce...@yahoo.com... I have written this code a few different ways. Each seems to be equally inefficient. I am attempting to compare to images, pixel by pixel, and record the differences. ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo put 0 into c set the startvalue of scrollbar Progress to 0 set the endvalue of scrollbar Progress to the length of imagedata of image Alpha put the imagedata of image Alpha into idataalpha put the imagedata of image Beta into idatabeta REPEAT FOR each char myChar in idataalpha set the thumbposition of scrollbar Progress to c IF myChar is not char (c) of idatabeta THEN put c char (c) of idatabeta return after hAll END IF put c+1 into c END repeat put hAll into field diff END mouseUp It takes many minutes to process a 200x200 image. I want this code to eventually compare full screen-captures, so if there is any way to speed it up, I am open for advice. Thanks Bert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4 Preview Webinar - Video Link
While we have used Flash for things like the on-Rev videos, I'd find it a bit weird to use Flash to host a preview of our new plugin tech. (Which obviously we can't use for the videos since it's not released yet.) Flash can play mp4 video, cross platform, progressive download, and nearly everyone has it installed. It would require setting up a tiny player swf, but that's not too hard. The hard part is transcoding the wmv in good enough quality. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4 Preview Webinar - Video Link
In the initial version 4.0 you can expect very little change from the version 3.5 video management capabilities. Alex Shaw a...@harryscollar.com wrote in message news:4a434746.5060...@harryscollar.com... Hi Bill The one question I asked during the webinar.. Since rev is currently heavily dependant on quicktime for video and audio capture.. I assume it will still be a requirement for video playback and audio capture via the web plugin? regards alex Bill Marriott wrote: While we have used Flash for things like the on-Rev videos, I'd find it a bit weird to use Flash to host a preview of our new plugin tech. (Which obviously we can't use for the videos since it's not released yet.) Flash can play mp4 video, cross platform, progressive download, and nearly everyone has it installed. It would require setting up a tiny player swf, but that's not too hard. The hard part is transcoding the wmv in good enough quality. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: my sqlite code is slow :(
Does SQLite support multi-line SQL statements via revExecuteSQL? You might try assembling the whole operation in a variable, BEGIN INSERT INSERT INSERT ... COMMIT and see how that flies ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Salivating . . .
The birds were outside *my* window :) And, for an 'exiled' Scot, the best bit of the Webinar was the sound of birds tweeting outside RunRev's offices in Edinburgh! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev 4 Preview Webinar - Video Link
Hi folks, There will be a more official mail going out on this direct to your inbox shortly, but I wanted to give you the link to the video from today's Webinar conference: http://www.runrev.com/offers/webinar-2009-06-23/Rev4-Preview-Webinar.wmv We don't have a lot of choices when it comes to video format, but it should play fine on your Mac if you get the latest version of Flip4Mac. Enjoy! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wonky revTools on Linux
Richmond, I see from your site that you're into graphics software, especially free graphics software, and stuff for Linux. You should look into Xara Xtreme for Linux: http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4a420975.8000...@gmail.com... A bit odd, see: http://mathewson.110mb.com/rrprobs.html and, err, yes, my website has mived again: http://mathewson.110mb.com/default.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: challenge to Kevin and Bill
Colin, You asked, Is the logo final? It's mildly troubling that the two Rs are different to each other. Also, is the U an exact vertical flip of the N, and a horizontal flip of the V? That would be neat. Yes it's final. The R's actually look better this way than if they were identically shaped. The other questions will make their way into an FAQ shortly :) Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote in message news:911f32a1-5a2e-47e3-9614-f704d2506...@rcn.com... There were so many questions in the webinar that Bill only managed to cover a small percentage of them. Would it be possible to take the time to go through the other questions, and answer those too? My three questions happened to be amongst the ones that were past over, and there's no hurry to hear the answers, but the one about the logo is more time critical. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4 Preview Webinar - Video Link
Michael, Really? Really. I think you should forego foisting MS POS formats on everyone and use mp4 for distribution instead. I can explain how if necessary. Be my guest. We've already spent dozens of hours trying to work around this. The GoToWebinar software we use for our webinars records *only* in WMV -- our choices are WMV that uses a special GoToWebinar codec that works only on Windows, and requires installation of the GoToWebinar software; or a cross-platform, portable WMV. Every option we have tried to transcode such files has resulted in, at the minimum, a file size of twice as large, and a loss in quality (such as what you would get converting a WMA file to MP3). For example, we had to recode an earlier webinar because of a glitch and the file size went from 50MB to 140MB after our best efforts. Some people have suggested we use a second computer to capture the video using different screen recording software, but this is also sub-optimal as a) the second computer is capturing compressed audio/video as a guest of the conference, not capturing the source screens; b) the GoToWebinar software captures the screens at a consistent resolution, without needing to worry about resetting the capture rect as we change presenters and other details; c) the other programs often require installation of a special codec, themselves. Note also that you said you prefer mp4, as if this were a universal format. But most Windows users cannot view that format, without having QuickTime or other additional software installed, and we wouldn't want to foist anything on them. Plus WMV is a progressive download that starts to play fairly quickly, as opposed to requiring the whole file to be downloaded. So, if you've got an idea that doesn't have these downsides, let me know. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [On-Rev] Photo Gallery problem
Richard, It's our intention to have the ability to export rendered card images and also have an interface to ImageMagick down the road, but it's not in the current (pre-release) version of revServer. (revServer will also have the ability to use stack files, not just .irev files, for scripts and libraries.) - Bill Are these thumbnails pre-generated, or are you making them on the fly from the Rev server engine? That is, does iRev have the same no-GUI limitation as the CGI engine, or can we do things like export rendered card images to image files? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wonky revTools on Linux
We use the Windows version of Xara Xtreme for probably half of our marketing production. It's a lot of fun, an easy UI, and quite a bit faster than Inkscape on Linux. It has capabilities that rival or exceed Illustrator (and is also an order of magnitude faster). And the full commercial version for Windows is just $89. I use it for a lot of my UI work and highly recommend it. Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4a426a49.4060...@gmail.com... Thank you for the recommendation; I do have Xara Xtreme installed on my P4 and when I manage to find the time I intend to get to grips with it. For quite a few years I relied on demo software and the merry 'application dance' between many little free programs; but with Open Source really coming into its own now I am now revolving' (err, sorry, I meant to write 'revOlving') round Audacity and GIMP. The reason I am inyo graphics software is two-fold: 1. I author stuff for 5 -13 year old children, which, to hold their attention needs to be visually rich. 2. As I started programming on Hollerith cards and blind terminals the GUI is just too good to waste! Bill Marriott wrote: Richmond, I see from your site that you're into graphics software, especially free graphics software, and stuff for Linux. You should look into Xara Xtreme for Linux: http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4a420975.8000...@gmail.com... A bit odd, see: http://mathewson.110mb.com/rrprobs.html and, err, yes, my website has mived again: http://mathewson.110mb.com/default.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: To On-Rev or Not to On-Rev
Gregory, Please note: The ability to embed ?rev ... ? scripting tags within HTML is a feature of our server technology, not the desktop application. While we will most likely have a free version of the server technology down the road, it will not work like it does now, where you just pop the Revolution engine out of the Linux desktop version and put it online. - Bill I'm considering taking the On-Rev plunge. My main use of it would be to collect data from online experiments that use interactive web pages deployed by Revolution. I have the luxury of a static IP at my university, so I currently use my Mac as a server, and given that the web page functionality of Rev HTML tags will apparently be included in future versions of Revolution, I wonder whether a switch to On-Rev is worth it. What do you think? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows 7 - any experiences?
Hi Tiemo, so that RC1 is available for download since some time I would be interested, if anybody already has tested Rev 3.0/3.5 on Windows 7 and would be willing to share his/her experiences? I hadn't the chance yet for a test but I am curious, if and what we have to adapt or is it just running smooth without notice? I recently built an Intel Core i7 machine with 6GB of RAM, so I've been trying to decide on a 64-bit operating system. I liked Windows 7 a lot. Much snappier than Windows Vista. Lots of updated drivers. A smarter UAC. I would probably use it except for two problems: 1) I prefer the Vista/XP task bar. And 2) there is no upgrade path from RC1 to the shipping version of Windows 7; you will have to do a clean install when it ships. I noticed no difference in Rev behvior between Vista and Windows 7. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What do Rev programmers charge per hour for programming?
Charles,
What do Rev programmers charge per hour for programming?
You can obtain Platinum support direct from RunRev at the rate of $129 per
hour:
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Platinum support offers you an option for more in-depth assistance from the
best and brightest members of our team. If you need some extra horsepower on
your project, or if you must have a specific feature, you can describe what
you'd like and we'll respond with a quotation for your Platinum support
inquiry. We hope this provides an avenue for our most demanding customers to
get what they need most from the product.
To request a quote for a Platinum support project, please email
support{at}runrev.com with details of your project and we will get back to
you quickly. Cost per project hour for Platinum support is $129, minimum
quote time is one hour.
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Re: What do Rev programmers charge per hour for programming?
Charles, What do Rev programmers charge per hour for programming? In addition to my plug for RunRev Platinum support, I wanted to address your question from a different angle. The issue of what to charge comes up frequently with any programming task. I've heard lots of rules of thumb, such as charge what you think you want to make annually divided by 1,000. The answer might vary depending on whether you're seeking to purchase programming time, or sell it. For my personal consulting, I almost never charge hourly for development, whether it is for marketing materials or database work or Revolution code. Instead I issue a quote on a project basis. The reason for this is that development is not a linear, on/off process for me. I do obtain detailed requirements, size up a project in my head, and then estimate how much time it will take for me to accomplish the task. If it takes longer, then that's on me; if it takes shorter, then I can be proud of my efficiency. The rate also depends on what I think the client can afford, how difficult they will be to work with, and the prospects for a long-term arrangement. I do charge hourly for training and other activities where I'll be, for example, on the phone or in a room with people. A lot of people I work with on FileMaker, for example, don't just want a template they can use; they want to understand how it works. They couldn't build it in the first place, because they don't understand table occurrences and relationships, so it actually takes a lot more time to explain than to do. Works out well for me, since the phone calls take longer than the coding. Then again, some of the most difficult clients are those who know enough to be dangerous and want to do it their own way, even if it doesn't work very well. If someone's going to ask me to integrate something into their existing work, I usually charge more than if I am doing it (the right way) from scratch. The RunRev rate of $129/hr is quite standard for skilled, experienced developers. But as you are beginning to see, the rate isn't the most important element. Developer A might charge $129/hr, and estimate 20 hours. Developer B might charge $75/hr, but it will take them 40 hours. So the higher rate is actually cheaper. Then there's the question of quality. One rule of thumb you've probably heard before: Good, fast, cheap. Pick two. Having said that, you can probably find the best rates if you go to a site like Guru.com. Just write up your spec and see what bids come in; there's quite a bit of competition for projects. You'll get a good idea of their competency by reading their responses carefully. In the past, people have also made requests directly on the use-list for help with projects. Good luck, - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Datagrid can't not find background
1) Open up the original stack containing the data grid template 2) Use the application browser to open up the templates substack 3) Use the property inspector to set the mainstack of it to your stack. Josep jmye...@mac.com wrote in message news:23824276.p...@talk.nabble.com... Hi List, I'm trying to get the entire set of data of the datagrid with: put the dgData of group dg_productos into tData But only get the error can't find background. This is a copy/paste stack and I remember that when I load it some message about the templates datagrid was show. Now I see that Data grid Templates xx not exist inside of the stack. Can be the problem for this? How replace de datagrid templates? Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Datagrid-can%27t-not-find-background-tp23824276p23824276.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-Rev and use-Rev
Mark, This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so. While I certainly agree and add my me too to the list, I seriously doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to these threads at all. I too would prefer to receive all forum posts in email, or more ideally a gateway for newsgroup readers. It's something we have discussed and put on our to do list for some time in the future. Unfortunately, our human bandwidth right now is dedicated to the upcoming RunRevLive developer conference and launch of Rev 4 on Sept 1. Please do not assume that the mothership does not notice or care -- we use these services as much as you do. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-Rev updates.
Alex, Any chance of an update soon ? Or of a schedule for when there might be one ? There has actually been one update to the on-Rev client since launch, which added the ability to edit txt, html, and other non-irev text files. There is another one around the corner, features TBA. We only just launched the service last month! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev
Richmond, What I am very interested to know is when the language took flight and became completely independent of the desktop IDE . . . . I don't recall there ever being a concern about discussing CGI scripts here. And you've got it backwards. Server scripting didn't become independent of the IDE. The IDE came to server scripting. Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev
Richmond, The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote re the language and the IDE: we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent existences. Well, they are. The old CGI engine didn't have any IDE or GUI whatsoever and was certainly Revolution. Thought experiment: Which would be more Rev-ish? - The Revolution IDE and the syntax was, for example, Java? or, - The Revolution syntax and the IDE was, for example, Visual Studio? The answer is pretty simple for me. At least, I know which product I would buy. (Thankfully we have BOTH the Revolution IDE and the Revolution syntax!) Note that we have seen multiple IDE variants historically including MetaCard, the open-source one some people like to use, Revolution itself, and even Jerry's GLX lineup. I would consider all of them to be part of the Rev experience. Broadening to xTalk, we've seen dozens of products with different approaches to the IDE: SuperCard, Director, TileStack. It always comes back to the language. That is what people love and are committed to. The word 'merely' also made me wonder if the IDE was rather far down a list of priorities as far as Runtime Revolution's future development went. Although the advent of dataGrids would seem to bely that. No, the IDE is not de-emphasized whatsoever. You're reading too much into semantics, and are forgetting Revolution 3.0 introduced a completely revamped Script Editor, gradient editor, etc. Going forward you'll see even more enhancements and customization abilities. We've been making fantastic strides on both fronts, and there is a mutual dependence, one on the other. Unquestionably a great language needs a great IDE. as far as I can tell, RunRev's ancestor, HyperCard seemed to be built around the idea of some sort of organic co-existence between the language and an IDE; unlike most programming languages available at that time where there was no IDE at all. I *personally* don't agree with that. HyperCard was written in the days when Apple liked to imagine itself a walled garden where the hardware, operating system, and applications were all separate from the rest of the world, like some kind of priestly caste above it all. AppleTalk, ADB, non-standard monitor connections, etc. Those days are gone. Today we're in a much more inter-connected, inter-dependent, and standards-based world. A core benefit of Rev is its cross-platform capabilities. Today that is Mac/Windows/Linux desktops. And we're moving toward Web servers (on-Rev and our server technology) and Web multimedia (the plugin). The IDE will always evolve; it is the language which remains the constant, from the day HyperTalk was born. And RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy today. Of course we'll always have a model for constructing UI that is integrated into the language; I don't think that can be separated. But as we're seeing now, the language needs to evolve to handle manipulation of elements regardless of the presentation. (i.e., Web forms versus fields as we know them.) what is not clear to me is whether the language can exist outwith an IDE [...] I feel that the language uncoupled from the IDE would lose more than half what makes it such a fantastic RAD. Rev's easy-to-use IDE will always be a key element of the product. I am sure that for some people it's a different percentage of the appeal than others. You consider it more than 50% of the value, I consider the language to be the majority. But it's a little like debating whether the dashboard or the engine is the more critical part of the car. Some people will always be concerned about horsepower and performance; others will focus on comfort. Luckily we enjoy the best of all worlds: an accessible, natural-language syntax that performs admirably and is very easy to use. Can a language exist without an IDE? Going back to my CGI point at the beginning, the answer is an obvious yes. But it's certainly very nice to have one, and that is why we have invested in building the on-Rev client for our server technology, and why it has been so well-received. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [On-Rev] Webdisk not reliable; irev as a table constructor
Hello Dom, I find the web disk functionality (WebDAV) -- *regardless* of hosting provider or control panel technology -- is really only useful for uploading a single file or quickly previewing images, etc. I've never liked it for bulk uploads/downloads as I find the performance and reliability to be wanting. Maybe it works better on Windows-based servers? I really don't know. But for transferring sites, I stick with a solid FTP client like FileZilla. Bill Dom mcd...@free.fr wrote in message news:1j0jdhz.9jqxc8h79wzim%mcd...@free.fr... I tempted to make some modifications to my medard On-Rev web site with the Web Disk ... to transfer a sub-site to another directory, i.e. to put pensées, which contain shots of pansies, to the photos directory The result was very strange: the folder are transferred -- but emptied, and prefixed par pensees, and the original leaved in their places, but likewise emptied. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-Rev and use-Rev
Mark, Well consider it acknowledged and expectations set. It's solidly in the nice to have category, behind must have. - Bill Mark Wieder writes, But some time in the future is an interesting phrase, considering that this same request has been made for the runrev forum since its inception some three years ago and it's never been acted on. Or even acknowledged, to my recollection. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RunRevLive.09 (was: Re: on-Rev and use-Rev)
Hi Richmond, If the answer is YES, should I burn 5 or 50 Ideas??? CDs are so 2006! ... How about making a nice web site with your stuff instead? Saving natural resources, lighter baggage and all that. If you want a physical memento for people, you could print up a couple pages of business cards with the URL and hand those out? But if you're really into CDs I would target more to the 50 end of the continuum, as we've got well more than that many registrations already. RunRevLive.09 is shaping up to be our biggest and best-attended event ever definitely not to be missed! This particular conference is SO important, because we're really giving in-depth coverage of the new Web technologies (server and plugin), the new Behaviors, and other goodies. Plus you'll get to network with more members of the community than ever. http://www.runrevlive.com p.s.: I know you're coming, Richmond... but for the rest of the crew, the huge, 40% early bird registration discount is going away at the end of tomorrow. So if you're on the fence about coming, I hope you'll sign up before the price goes up on June 1. We'd really like to meet you! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-Rev and use-Rev
Hi George,
I tried to register at forum.on-rev.com (I'm already registered at
forum.rev.com) and got the message that my email address was already in
use. I do have other addresses, but would prefer to use the same email
for both fora. Is there a workaround?
The forums at on-rev.com and runrev.com are completely separate name
spaces at this time. Registering for one does not register you for the
other. Please use the Forgot Password link at on-rev.com to retrieve your
info, or write support{at}on-rev.com if that doesn't work.
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Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Hi Alex,
Actually, you can.
If you get the latest on-Rev client, you'll notice a drop-down menu in the
upper-right, on-Rev Project.
This menu lists the sites you can edit. This list is drawn from the
/.ireviam/sites.txt file on the server. Just edit this file and you'll be
able to access the folders you need.
For example:
-
user.on-rev.com{tab}/home/user/public_html
mydomain.com{tab}/home/user/mydomain
anotherdomain.com{tab}/home/user/anotherdomain
-
In a future version of the on-Rev client, the information will either be
pulled down automatically from the server or you'll be able to configure it
in the client.
- Bill
Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote in
message news:4a1c6fbe.1060...@tweedly.net...
Bill Marriott wrote:
Jacque,
This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is
how it needs to be set up.
It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way
whatsoever and both will work just fine.
In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder
will enable anyone to browse to
http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/
or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com
and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is
why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing
the content unless they navigate to the intended domain.
That sounds (to me) like a compelling reason to do it that way - and I
just succeeded (with a brand new domain name bought just so I can play
around without risking existing users).
You may not care, but afaict the current on-rev client is unable to access
such root-based add-on domains - it only sees public_html and sub-folders
within that. A great pity, I've already found the client's ability to
help with debugging of irev scripts to be tremenduously helpful
-- Alex.
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on-Rev and use-Rev
Hi folks, We have a forum set up for users of on-Rev at forums.on-rev.com -- this is the ideal spot for the latest news/announcements, discussing on-Rev, technical issues with it, usage concerns, etc. For example, information about accessing sites placed at the root level of your hierarchy (that I just reposted here) was originally posted to the on-Rev forums on Apr 24. However, we have no problem with folks discussing on-Rev here. The use-rev list is very simply for using Revolution. And we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE. The on-Rev service is obviously a Revolution-based product. Just because it's a subscription service doesn't matter; people obviously discuss Enteprise-specific issues, even though not everyone owns Enterprise. So consider discussions about on-Rev officially on-topic. Thanks, Bill Marriott runrev marketing guy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Jacque, This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever and both will work just fine. In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder will enable anyone to browse to http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/ or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing the content unless they navigate to the intended domain. Bill Marriott wrote: If the content will ultimately be its own domain and not a subdomain, then I would put the folder at the root, and not within the /public_html hierarchy. I have both a subdomain and an add-on domain at JaguarPC, in addition to my primary hyperactivesw.com domain. Both the subdomain and the add-on folders are located inside the public_html folder of my hyperactivesw.com folder. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
If the content will ultimately be it's own domain and not a subdomain, then I would put the folder at the not, and not within the /public_html hierarchy. Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote in message news:f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad7315...@mail.gmail.com... But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question: I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc. My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder. So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder of it's own? Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: setting fld with HTML: H3Title/H3 results in added empty lines
Mark, The problem you're running into is that the htmlText is not truly HTML, and the H3 tag is not supported. If you inspect the contents of the htmlText after your script executes you'll see: pfont size=18bThis is the title/b/font/p The H3 tag is nowhere to be seen. So what is happening is that the h3 tag is being transformed from a structural tag (identifying a heading and letting the browser/style sheet determine how it appears) into a formatting tag that Rev understands. Rev pretty much assumes than an H3 heading should look something like that. This is handy when you're dropping the contents of a web page into a field; but when you're working scripting and using the htmlText to format things you'll want to strictly limit yourself to the supported tags so you do not have unexpected results like this. This behavior and the supported tags are described in the dictionary entry for htmlText. - Bill mfstuart mfstu...@cox.net wrote in message news:23659327.p...@talk.nabble.com... Hi all, (hopefully, the html tags I'm using in this message don't get lost in transit) Here goes: When I use the following script to populate a field, the first 2 lines before the H3 text and the line after the /H3 text are empty. What's up with that? ## on mouseUp put H3This is the title/H3 into tText put This is the second line after tText set the htmlText of fld 1 to tText end mouseUp ## To clean the field up after the above script, I use the following: delete line 1 to 2 of fld 1 --removes first 2 blank lines delete line 2 to 2 of fld 1 --removes blank line after H3 text I've set the properties of the field to the following: textHeight = 17 fixedLineHeight = unchecked (false) These help to better proportion the text height with using the H3 tags. Q: so why would RunRev put these blank lines in using the set htmlText command? It seems setting the field property is enough to set the style of the field correctly. Q: anyone got a better idea how to handle using H3 text, without blank lines? -- Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Alex, But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Right, Marty. And let me point out one other aspect When you get your on-Rev account, you'll have a default folder set up for your initial user.on-rev.com subdomain. When you create the add-on domain in the control panel, you'll be able to specify this folder, or a new folder, or any existing folder as the root of the domain you're specifying. In this way you can keep domains separate, or you can link multiple domains to the same folder. Suppose you have: superdomain.com superdomain.net superdomain.info superdomain.biz These would be four add-on domains, four registrations with GoDaddy. But you can map them all to the superdomain folder on your on-rev account, so you put all your stuff in one place. Then you could have a domain, mypersonalsite.org which maps to the mysite folder on your on-Rev account (the folder names don't have to match anything in particular) and this would be a completely separate collection of content. So, to address the OP's question, How do you 'change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain?' The answer is you really don't. The subdomain is like a phone number; that doesn't change. You can add as many prefixes (i guess they would be called, sub-subdomains) for example x.y.z.user.on-rev.com But you cannot change the user.on-rev.com part. You can specify that your add-on domain(s) point to the same folder that user.on-rev.com does (like a phone number that forwards to the same physical telephone as another number) -- the default folder we set up for you at account creation. Or, you can just keep your default folder empty and create new folders for your add-on domains as desired. - Bill Marty Knapp martykn...@comcast.net wrote in message news:4a1485aa.1020...@comcast.net... Hey Alex, You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register alextweedly.com Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is probably: ns1.on-rev.com ns2.on-rev.com Then you can create an Add-on domain in your On-Rev control panel with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for alextweedly.com will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites. A freebie you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, like alextweedly.on-rev.com. You can host a site at this address without further registration. HTH, Marty Knapp Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev Signup
Bob, Most hosting services require you to bring a domain to the table and then set you up under that. For example, you have mydomain.com and your login becomes mydomaincom. The hosting service defaults to hosting that domain. On-Rev asks you for a Desired Username/Subdomain which is explained (at the bottom) of the order page as follows: When ordering enter the single word subdomain (max 25 characters) that you would like for your subdomain name. This will resolve as [subdomain].on-rev.com and you will have email addresses of [na...@[subdomain].on-rev.com. This will be used as one of the basic ways we identify your account. Of course you'll be able to add additional domains once your account is set up. In other words, if you select bill as your subdomain, you will automatically have bill[at]bill.on-rev.com as an email, and http://bill.on-rev.com as your web site Without needing to purchase/register a true standalone domain. Yes, you certainly CAN bring your own domains over, as many of them as you want, and host them with on-Rev. It's simply not required. Static IP addresses are a completely separate issue from domain names, and can be purchased as an add-on for people who require them. Most people don't need them. Bob Sneidar wrote in message news:aae2ca96-5b9d-4c8f-80e3-cc82e6cad...@twft.com... I am going to look like a dope asking, but does anyone know what the On-Rev signup subdomain and domain fields are asking of me? Is on-rev offering to set and host a brand new domain for me? If so, what is the IP range? I know I can't just pick a random one. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combobox filled from database
The predefined options of a combo box = the text of btn combo The currently specified value of a combo box = the label of btn combo Please note that a combo box by definition allows the specification of values that are not pre-defined, and would seem to be a poor choice for an indexed value list, as someone could enter poodle or anything they wanted into the box. An Option menu does not have this problem. If you were to have an Option menu in which you can get and set according to an index n (1,2,3...) then: -- set the menu choice set the label of btn option to line n of the text of btn option -- get the menu choice put lineOffset (Euro, btn option) into n Hope that helps. Bill Josep jmye...@mac.com wrote in message news:23478253.p...@talk.nabble.com... Well, I found that with lineoffset (Choice 1, button cb_manufacturer) I obtain the line where the value is. Great... but now I need to select this line... Salut, Josep ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev links
Why was it less than satisfactory? Just a wild guess here that if you cannot send email, your ISP (Orange) is blocking port 25 and you should instead use 587. I noted, though, that the mail hosting was less than satisfactory -- but I am not sure whether it's on-rev's fault, or Orange's fault! (I live in France, and Orange ex-France Telecom is my ISP) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combobox filled from database
Hi Josep, Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items when click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many values... I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a combo box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two is than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Combobox filled from database
Only on Mac. Windows shows a scrollbar for both So if you use the built-in controls you'll have to choose between the untidy screen presentation of a long list, or the potential for someone to enter arbitrary data into the box that is not part of the index. Either way the two script lines I supplied will work. You might consider building a custom control using parent scripts, which could solve both issues of the appearance and the indexing. (You could even implement keyboard support.) Josep jmye...@mac.com wrote in message news:23481063.p...@talk.nabble.com... Yes, the syntax is the same, but how combo or option show the values when click is different. In combo you have a scrollbar to move between the values and with option all the values are showed.. Bill Marriott wrote: Hi Josep, Yes, I better with a button option but how can limit the visible items when click? I need the combo presentation so in other cases exist many values... I am not sure I understand this issue? The syntax for working with a combo box and option menu are identical. The only difference between the two is than a combo box allows entry of arbitrary values. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: shell access in on-rev - please do not complain anymore
This was one of the first policies to be changed... you can get SSH (shell) access on request, no problem, with on-Rev. p.s.: The Founder's offer is still available until 11:59 GMT Tuesday I think. runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote in message news:00036331.49ff0...@the-office.us... Hi, i do not know, what web hosting does mean in the other countries. But if i buy a web hosting package here in germany, then it is normal, that i do not get full shell access. If i want full control of the server including shell access i have to purchase a server or a virtual server package. On-rev offers lot more than normal web hosting. So i cannot understand why so many people are complaining about the missing shell access. Btw. before purchasing on-rev everyone can see the feature chart of on-rev. There is nothing to read about shell access. Okay, if there would be the possibility to use some command line tools like magick this would be fine. But i, for one, want a system, which is not vulnerable because everyone gets (full) shell access. Sorry, but i am just in a bad temper at the moment and i am sick of reading messages complaining about a missing feature which was even not promised by Runrev. I do not know how much you pay for other web hosting packages, but with the on-rev founder offer i can spent about 130,- Euros a month. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about On Rev
Stephen, You can install Rev on your server using the Classic server engine; it's free. Most people use it on Linux, but I believe some have gotten the Mac OS X and Windows versions to work. on-Rev uses a new engine with additional features that is not yet available for installation on your own server. Can¹t find some information. Hoping those of you involved will be able to answer. 1. Can I install Rev on my own servers? 2. If so, what servers are supported (Apache, IIS, etc, etc) 3. How much? And what are the license terms? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runrev on the web
Hi Jim, Just so I understand, using runrev for applications on the web requires us to use the runrev service currently priced at 499.00 for life? No. On-Rev and Revolution Studio/Enterprise/Media at this point are completely separate products. The Rev on the Web you are probably thinking of is scheduled for Revolution 4.0 in September. This will enable you to put your stacks online within a Web page, and it will look and work just like it does on the desktop. It does not require the on-Rev service. on-Rev is a new hosting service with next-generation Revolution server scripting built in, plus software which enables you to create, edit, upload, manage, inspect and debug your scripts in real-time. It does not require Revolution. If you enjoy using Revolution, you'll probably love on-Rev, though. You'll be able to use the language you know to do just about anything you like with your Web server. Check out the latest revUp newsletter and attend Thursday's seminar for more info. Newsletter: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue69/ Webinar: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/974171042 Is there a way to get runrev on the web without using On-rev? Yes. Currently, the Web plugin is available for preview and testing by people who have registered for our Developers conference in Edinburgh, Sept 1. That conference is the official kickoff of our new Web technologies and the sessions will be designed around getting the most out of them. It will likely be our biggest and freshest conference to date... lots of new faces and new topics. You can still get 40%+ off registration if you go to Conference: http://runrevlive.com/09/index.htm Once your complete registration you'll be given a username and password to the Web plugin preview site, which has the pre-beta plugin, several examples, and shows you how to use it with your own stacks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Subdomains (was: Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev)
Kay, I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. - Yes, when you buy an on-Rev hosting package, you automatically get u...@user.on-rev.com as an email address and http://user.on-rev.com as a default web site address. I believe you can indeed set up subdomain.user.on-on-rev.com, anothersubdomain.user.on-rev.com, etc. if you like. Can I then create Sub domains of these Add On Domains? Like ' almost.allthegoodnamesaretaken.com'? If so, do I need to register these as well through GoDaddy or will this simply be something I can do with 'Addon Domain Manager' or 'Subdomain Manager' at on-rev? - When you own a domain [not currently possible to purchase through on-rev but soon] you can set up mydomain.com at your registrar to point to the on-rev nameservers. You don't have to go back to your registrar for anything else, the rest can be managed through the on-Rev control panel, where it is considered an add-on domain. Specifically, - You can set up as many subdomains attached to your add-on domains as you like. The subdomains can point to a space on your storage area, your home computer, or forward to another web server. - You can integrate your on-Rev service with existing, external sites hosted by clients. For example, your client has the domain bigcorp.com. They can set up a subdomain revapps.bigcorp.com that points to your on-rev server (they do what's called adding an A record). Will I be able to create multiple email addresses for each Add On Domain and any sub domains I create or is this only a feature of the on-rev.comdomains? Are the unlimited Mailing Lists for the on-rev domain only or will I be able to create a mailing list for Add On Domains? - You can set up unlimited emails, mailing lists, databases, etc., linked to each add-on domain, or the original user.on-rev.com domain. What is the situation with email for these Add On Domains? I see GoDaddy provides free email with the Domains you register, but can I move it AND control it all from on-rev, ie everything in the one place? Or would it be better to leave these with GoDaddy; use GoDaddy's MBs rather than on-rev's MBs? - Yes, when you point the nameservers to on-rev, email for that domain also is automatically handled by the on-rev servers, too, unless you specifically sex up an MX record to direct your email to a different server. I understand that Add On domain name annual renewal will still need to be handled with GoDaddy, not on-rev? - Scratch that, I see George C Brackett posted that on-rev may eventually take up that baton. - Yes A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to discover what my wife's current full IP address is. - I do this with my home network. Home PC checks in every couple hours and updates the server with my current home IP address. Do you think it is possible to have lan.on-rev act as a mini name sever? Any request to a particular lan.on-rev page be redirected to the Public or Sites folder of my wife's dynamic IP addressed computer? - Yes you can do this. Could this be something like a 'HTTP 302 redirect' ? or is this Domain Forwarding Masking? I notice GoDaddy offers Forwarding and Masking but on-rev doesn't mention it. - There are a variety of ways. The on-rev subdomain manager allows forwards. Basically I see I have 4 wants. A Rev centric address - would be myname.on-rev.com - You got it A family orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A hobby orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar - Yup, have As many as you like A Private address - somehow use one of the above to discover and point/redirect to a computer connected at home to a dynamic IP Address. - The dynamic part of this is a little tricky, but I have it set up this way for one of my domains where home.myowndomain.com points to my home network. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] on-rev urls
You must 1) In GoDaddy's Domain Manager, Point your nameservers for yourdomain.com to ns1.on-rev.com and ns2.on-rev.com 2) In On-Rev's control panel, set up an add-on domain for yourdomain.com Voila, you have yourdomain.com working without all that subdomain business. (Don't use forwarding!) Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote in message news:cb201326-3dd6-4a0b-a280-b81f91888...@rcn.com... Hopefully the non-Founders here will humor us asking some questions about on-rev! I've had two domains forwarded to areas in my on-rev account (they were previously sat doing nothing at Go Daddy). The redirecting took a few hours to kick in, but now if I type the original url, of say www.mysite.com , it gets through to mysite.holgate.on-rev.com ok. I've read online that you can't make it keep the original url, which is unfortunate, but understandable. Come the day that Rev does domain registering, would it be feasible to transfer from Go Daddy to Go Rev (or whatever it would be called), and then see the original urls under my on-rev account? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: on-Rev and Domain Names
No, what we're proposing is the same thing. The fixed IP address is for other applications. Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote in message news:ebdb07aa-0ee7-43b5-afa4-16561affc...@rcn.com... On Apr 18, 2009, at 3:32 PM, Malte Brill wrote: The DNS stuff translates the domain name you enter to the actual IP address your content is hosted on. So am I right that it would require the fixed IP option? Wasn't that something like $8 per month? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Kay,
I know I'm not an unbiased source but I just wanted to point out that beyond
your basic email and web space, (actually I think MobileMe is killing web
pages) there is almost no comparison between MobileMe and on-Rev. I mean, I
guess you could say that on-Rev is a MobileMe for Revolution users just
because it's highly targeted and provides specific functionality... but I
think the comparison breaks down after that. MobileMe is about syncing files
and contacts across multiple devices. While on-Rev is a Rev developer's
dream home for server scripting.
As for Dreamhost, we specifically did not want to compete on a
bandwidth/storage basis. Yes, we wanted to provide more than ample space for
a good price, and yes we want to make it an easy decision to use us for
hosting all your sites. Before on-Rev, I was using Dreamhost and a second,
cPanel-based provider. Dreamhost is great and very Rev-friendly. I have the
classic Rev engine, 3.0, working there. I haven't gotten around to putting
3.5 up because in the end it's probably an hour of work for me to download
the Linux version, pick out the right bits, and upload them with the right
permissions, etc. The other guys haven't gotten Rev to work since the 2.6.1
engine, are completely helpless when it comes to trying to get it to work,
and I've been looking for an excuse to get rid of them.
For me, on-Rev is the ideal place I'd want to switch to from the previous
cPanel provider. I get to use the same UI as the old one (in fact, it's easy
to just back up and restore my whole site cPanel-to-cPanel). I know it's got
its detractors but cPanel is pretty common and great for average people like
me. I get better spec hardware hosting it, with more storage and more
bandwidth. No feature losses. And one important advantage...
The core value of this service is knowing that whenever you want -- without
any complicated setup, getting into FTP programs, etc. -- you can quickly
add ?rev tags to a page. And if it doesn't work, you have the comfort of a
nice debugger that shows you variables in real time, etc. Makes it so easy
for quick tasks and finally possible to tackle bigger projects without
pulling your hair out.
In other words, it was designed to be the ultimate place to be for anyone
who uses Rev, and the whole point of being a Founder is not just to get a
great deal on hosting, but to help make it great with feedback and
suggestions and just plain using it :)
- Bill
runrev marketing guy
Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote
in message
news:f73a98160904170517j605d7ea5i7a0ab23bd0613...@mail.gmail.com...
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a
web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget).
I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for
me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even
tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it
was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I
could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't
want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think
it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that
I'll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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Re: On-Rev: We've listened
Marian, A quick question, Kevin--one that may well demonstrate how much of a neophyte I am when it comes to server apps--if so, sorry. What happens when the server app goes beta or even live? Will we founding members still be able to use it? Will use of it depend on renewing our Rev subscription? Or will it be a totally separate subscription? Founders get the on-Rev hosting and on-Rev Server Scripting features for life. They are getting the alpha version now -- which is very usable -- and of course later pre-release and production versions. They will also have the chance to be the first in line for the other news stuff we're building. People with on-Rev in other words will always have the latest and greatest toys ahead of everyone else. While some components of the on-Rev technology will be making its way into other editions of our server engine, some things will only be possible for on-Rev users, because we have complete control over the entire server environment. There is nothing to renew and your on-Rev hosting account is totally separate from your desktop license. You do not need one to use the other. The one-time $499 Founders initiation fee is the only thing you pay... then you get the hosting service with on-Rev scripting technologies for life. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On-Rev: We've listened
Hi Richard, Will the new server engine become available for use on our own servers as well? If so, when, and how difficult/easy will it be to set up? This is covered on the FAQ page... http://on-rev.com/faq And the answer is yes, some edition of on-Rev technology may be available down the road for other servers, but on-Rev will always have a little bit more to offer, because we control the entire environment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
Tiemo, I am not looking for a workaround, to get the tile back, but I am still looking for a solution, if it is possible to analyze, IF the title is broken or not. Comparing the title with a string, doesn't works, because the title property is still ok, it is just an issue of the title display. If I could find out, IF the title is broken, I could set it to empty only on those machines, where it is broken and for the majority of the users I could show a title. This is horrible, but: function mungedTitleBar put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom put myRect into leftRect add 40 to item 1 of leftRect subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect put leftRect into rightRect put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG return foobarL = foobarR end mouseUp This function captures two swatches from the titlebar of the current window. Assuming you have a window title that is longer than one or two characters but not so long as to fill the entire window width, if the left swatch matches the right swatch, then it's probably not displaying properly. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My BBC Master - - - getting Beeped-off.
Richmond, I don't know if this has been answered (the thread diverged into political discourse), but in Rev 2.9 and later your script will give the expected results (at least on Windows) if you say, set the beepsound to internal set the beepPitch to 220 beep set the beepPitch to 440 beep This is because the beep command was changed to use the system alert by default, and not the internal PC buzzer, which can do some interesting things. Richmond Mathewson gerada...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:564498.57023...@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com... In the middle of the night I awoke with beep in my head; and so looked up: beepPitch getting all excited as I did so . . . popped this into a button: on mouseUp set the beepPitch to 220 beep set the beepPitch to 440 beep end mouseUp I don't know what the value of 'beep' is at all as heard no beeps! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My BBC Master - - - getting Beeped-off.
Richmond, I should have known better than to respond :) But insofar as the use-list is a knowledge base I thought I would add in this helpful command that had been overlooked to the data stream. I do not disagree at all with the idea that Rev should be able to play multiple audio streams simultaneously, and perhaps even bend the pitch of those audio streams. It would be a very nice addition to the multimedia arsenal. I simply didn't want to wade through it all to deliver an answer. I just tried out beep on my Mac; it worked fine. This is on 2.9, not post-2.9. But it does play the defined System Alert, which may be invalid or empty on your systems. I wasn't able to coax anything out of Ubuntu; looking into it. Glad you'll be attending the Edinburgh conference! Perhaps we should add this to our marketing materials :) - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
Tiemo , I think on Win it won't work, because the title is left aligned, so comparing the left and right rect would always be false. I wrote this on Win... do you mean Mac, which is center-aligned? Either way, it's the only approach I can think of. You just have to check the proper region, adjusting the offsets depending on the OS. function mungedTitleBar put the rect of this stack into myRect -- left,top,right,bottom put myRect into leftRect add 40 to item 1 of leftRect subtract 20 from item 2 of leftRect put item 1 of leftRect + 20 into item 3 of leftRect put item 2 of leftRect + 10 into item 4 of leftRect put leftRect into rightRect put item 3 of myRect - 90 into item 1 of rightRect put item 3 of myRect - 70 into item 3 of rightRect export snapshot from rect leftRect to foobarL as PNG export snapshot from rect rightRect to foobarR as PNG return foobarL = foobarR end mungedTitleBar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to check, if QT has corrupted stack title
You should not store it as a custom property, but rather always take both snapshots at runtime. Just choose the correct spots: - On Windows, compare the left side and right side, offset away from standard window chrome, as in my example. - On Mac, compare just left of center and far right of the window In either case, if the title is truncated, the areas will match. If it's working properly they will not. See: http://wjm.org/linked/swatches.png Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de wrote in message news:f01362bbf07e49fb9c7972942a369...@kestner.local... No, my approach won't work either, because of the different skins and system colors the stored snapshot always will be different - too quick shot :( Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My BBC Master - - - getting Beeped-off.
SparkOut, One drawback in particular is that with the internal sound set, then the beep will sound even if the user's sound settings are set to mute. That can be a very unwanted effect. Or the exact wanted effect. The issue is that beep is just a beep and was not intended to be a magnificent multimedia playback thing, or even an end-user-friendly feature. In the pre-2.9 days, beep always sounded the internal buzzer on Windows boxes. The buzzer had some idiosyncratic capabilities, that didn't even work on all systems, to vary the pitch and duration of its little tweets. It didn't go through the system's sound manager, so you're correct that muting had no effect. Indeed it didn't even use a sound card, which was a very good thing if you were writing a utility for a headless server that didn't have one. You could have different tones for various events, and didn't have to install drivers or hook up speakers for these. Over the years, the internal PC buzzer disappeared from some systems (and indeed was sometimes emulated via poorly-written drivers). In Rev 2.9, it was requested that beep simply sound the system's usual alert tone as specified through the operating system's control panel. And it was made to do so -- with the addition of the beepSound property to satisfy people (like me) who still wanted the ability to address the internal buzzer on Windows for a variety of reasons. So now you have beepPitch and beepDuration being more esoteric than ever, and it appears the changes had the side effect of screwing up the Linux beep, if it ever worked at all (I did not test 2.6.1 on Linux). I'd love to futher a civil and non-political call for better audio support in Rev, and in my view something that needs to have no dependence on QuickTime. Sure. I just wanted to address a very specific technical question. This has nothing to do with QuickTime. It's just about calling the standard system alert. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bgcolor of option button doesn't work on Mac
It doesn't change the color because it's respecting Mac OS X user interface standards. If you want to tint the button, you can overlay a colored, disabled graphic with a blendLevel. Are you sure that you mean an option menu button? If I try to change colours of an option menu button in Mac OS X 10.5.6, all I can change is the colour of the label. I don't think that one is supposed to change the colpour of native objects. You could try to use a pulldown menu button. If you set the threeD to false and add colour to it, it is no longer native. You will need to make sure that the button is opaque to see the fillcolor. Rev 3.0 setting the backgroundcolor of a option menu button works on Win, but not on Mac. On Mac the background of the button keeps its standard grey and a kind of a border gets the wanted backgroundcolor. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quite possibly . . .
Bob, However, if he means create a multiuser network device scanning utility that can give you details on every device known to man, then somehow decrypt every installed piece of software's license code, interfaces with all Office products from every age since it's inception, hacks into the NSA secure server, and bounces the data off a spy satellite, then of course the answer would be, nope. There's nothing about that Rev can't do, though. It's just a lot more work. It's a matter of reverse engineering the various encryption schemes and APIs. After all, Revolution literally bounces data off satellites every day. http://www.runrev.com/products/testimonials/nasa/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Gutenberg Reader
Hi Peter, I am very interested in the Gutenberg texts, so I downloaded your application and gave it a try. Unfortunately, I'm the impatient sort and never figured out how to display one of the texts within your application. So, my one bit of [hopefully constructive] criticism then is that you make it very easy to browse and search for available texts, such that one is immediately presented with a list and only has to click a title they are interested in to jump right into reading it. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: McAfee virus detection deletes valid file
Perhaps you should replace the offending VBA code with Rev code? Or a Rev-based installer? The glitch is (always a glitch) that my Rev app doesn't call the module, it doesn't even use it. The module is an add-in for Office, and the module in turn calls my Rev app. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] chartsEngine - now on revSelect
Richard, If the RunRev store had PayPal I'd have purchased it already. Limited to CCs, I expect to get it soon. As announced in the last newsletter, the Revolution store now supports PayPal. http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue65/newsletter4.php ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Syntax for POST processing via CGI?
Hi folks, Was working on a project this weekend and wondered if anyone had a bare-bones script for processing POST submissions with a CGI script? (Would prefer not to get complicated with using a library). For example, handling a form that submits via the POST method to myrevscript.cgi - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Syntax for POST processing via CGI?
Thanks so much, Mark! That worked; much easier than I thought... though the return from stdin is more like: -7d92ce191e091a Content-Disposition: form-data; name=FirstName Bill and not the value/parameter pairs you get from a GET. I wonder what the number in the first line signifies (it's not the value specified in the $UNIQUE_ID global). It's interesting how a binary upload is handled... I get: -7d92ce191e091a Content-Disposition: form-data; name=FileUpload; filename= Content-Type: application/octet-stream followed by a variety of stuff depending on what kind of document I've submitted. It doesn't look like it's Mime (or Base64 encoded), and it's nowhere near the full number of bytes in the file. I might also note that uploading is considerably slower than, say, PHP -- a 20K JPG took more than two minutes. Is this something to do with the way the data is being read? What's the magic in handling a file upload? (Again, bare-bones.) FWIW I think I'll put this together in an article for the next revUp newsletter. - Bill Mark Smith wrote: on startup put postData() into tPostData split tPostData by = -- postData is now an array of the form data end startup function postData put empty into tData put 0 into c repeat while tData is empty and c 20 read from stdin until empty put it after tData add 1 to c wait 20 millisecs end repeat return tData end postData note that it reads from stdin repeatedly until it's got something - for some reason, the data doesn't always appear straight away. On 10 Jan 2009, at 14:42, Bill Marriott wrote: anyone have a bare-bones script for processing POST submissions with CGI ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Latest Rev cgi engines for Linux server ?
Hi JB, Does anyone have some experience to share on a Linux distro for a server and one of the most recent versions of Rev, that would allow cgi scripts I'm running Rev 3.0 with success on Dreamhost. However, my other hosting provider (cPanel-based) does not like Rev 3.0 ... I haven't had time to dig into it thoroughly, and they haven't been quick to respond to my emails about it. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev cgi mySQL (again)
I'm curious to know if anyone already faced the need to (almost) completely drop SQL in favor of Transcript for DB data search... Without seeing the SELECT command and knowing how the database is set up, it's hard to know whether dropping MySQL is prudent or not. It's not too difficult for technology A to outshine technology B when one knows A much more intimately than B. For example, someone who is an expert in SQL might be able to form a highly-optimized query that would blow the doors off a novice-authored Rev handler. You knew to use repeat for each to take advantage of that structure's performance advantage over repeat with i = 1 to n. And how many times have we seen this list accelerate a routine by orders of magnitude? I suspect there is a way to organize the database such that queries perform quite a bit faster. I know that on a project of mine that had a 3.5 GB data set with 4.6 million rows, using SQLite was markedly higher performance than Rev. (And I don't consider myself an expert on either!) Perhaps the problem lies in the large amount of data you're extracting with your query? The complexity of the SELECT generally is not the bottleneck. But, the result essentially has to be transferred from the DB engine to Rev, whereas when you process within Rev, no handoff is required. Try to further refine your query with the LIMIT start,howmany clause so the minimal amount of data required for display is requested, and see how that works. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: set the text of line 4 of field id 123?
David,
Because the text of is a property of a field (button, image), not a
line/chunk thereof. The HTMLText syntax specifically allows for chunks; Text
does not. From the docs:
set the HTMLText of [chunk of] field to htmlString
set the text of {button | field | image} to string
It would appear you have a nice enhancement request for the text of
property, but it's probably that way because HTMLText will always be text
data, whereas the text of something could be binary.
David Bovill wrote,
These work as expected:
put newLine into line lineNum of field id fieldID
set the htmltext of line lineNum of field id fieldID to newLine
So why on earth does this not work?
set the text of line lineNum of field id fieldID to newLine
I've always found the properties (text and htmltext) of text fields
somewhat
inconsistent, and can never remember the ins and outs - so I 'think this
has always been the case and is not a new bug in the beta. Can anyone make
sense of this for me?
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Re: set the text of line 4 of field id 123?
Rev doesn't have the betas available as a download ... that was available only during the open beta for 2.9. Now they're back to getting them from within the Enterprise software. But Heather might be able to help obtain it for you (or a new dp3 might do the trick). Heather's also the only person who can fix the Enterprise mailing list problem. Wish I could help. Bill - you don't know where to download beta's do you? I'd like to install dp1 due to the value() bug in dp2 - and while I'm at it maybe check what happened to my enterprise mailing list subscription? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
