Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Hi all, Thanks to all for your suggestions. I've found a solution to this question. not sure if it is completely resolved, but seems to work quite well. So, better share in the hope it will help few of you... I've changed the filename of my stack, that's it ! then the name and the filename properties are different, which was not the case before. I leave the explanations to the IDE gurus :) ps: running the stack with Suspend Development Tools on, was also working before. Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Le 19 mai 2010 à 23:05, Malte Pfaff-Brill a écrit : Thierry, Hello Malte, does your stack have any substacks that are still open? Rev can not destroy it in that case. Yes, one substack and sometimes it's visible, sometimes not visible. Then, the mainstack is closed, but still in memory. But it's not my problem right now. ( I've pass to this one too, especially when the substack is hidden ) Do you reference to it with a filePath? - Will be reopened each time you reference to it then. I did the test with One stack + 1 substack ( which does nothing ) So, where can I reference it with a filePath ? I guess it's not for my case. Does it carry an external that is still used? - Rev won´t destroy it then AFAIK That's probably the point. Can someone give a definition of still in use ? In all the externals I made, I always build a sort of ResetExternalFunction to do all kinds of reset, freeing buffers,... But nowhere I've seen any information about closing/unloading an external As for the last 10 years, starting from Metacard on Unix, then using mostly Metacard, then using kRev, never had one of this problem. Hmm, and I've make almost 50 externals mainly for specific customer applications and few to be used within the Rev IDE. So, I'm not that familiar with the Rev IDE tricks. Other than those cases, I have never seen destroystack fail. Different ways of coding and working with Rev... Maybe you were lucky or maybe I'm not :) Another point: this reminds me one thread on this list about someone who couldn't start an external. I guess/feel that his problem could be that his stack was still in memory, and when he restarted it, the normal process of loading the external didn't work because the stack was already in memory. My 2 cents. Thanks to all for your suggestions. Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
destroystack wrong behavior...
Hi all, from time to time, in Rev IDE ( 4.0 MacOS ) when closing a stack, the stack is still in memory, seen in the Application browser too. DestroyStack and DestroyWindow are set properly ! and Yes, I refresh the application browser. It had happened few times during my developments, and never I could find a solution ? More, sometimes, it works again after a while without being able to know why. Does it sound familiar to someone and any idea what could cause this wrong behavior ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Hi Thierry, Yes, I am having the same problem. Once in a while, even after explicitly deleting a stack with the delete command, the stack still pops up somehow. Thanks Mark I'm not alone ! Half the suffering is gone :) I think this is due to the compexity of the IDE. Probably, the IDE team has used the long ID of a stack in several places, instead of the short name of the stack. If this reference to the long ID of a stack stays in memory, then the IDE will be able to find the stack even after it has been removed from memory. As I have only one stack and a substack within can't see the long-id-stack virus from my side. Agree ? I don't think there is a quick solution for this problem, besides quitting and re-starting RunRev. Hmm, so I have to put a Red Banner for my customers :( Of course, it is also possible that the long ID of a stack is still available in one of your own stacks. You might want to make sure that these references are not there. I'll check again... Regards, Thierry Hi all, from time to time, in Rev IDE ( 4.0 MacOS ) when closing a stack, the stack is still in memory, seen in the Application browser too. DestroyStack and DestroyWindow are set properly ! and Yes, I refresh the application browser. It had happened few times during my developments, and never I could find a solution ? More, sometimes, it works again after a while without being able to know why. Does it sound familiar to someone and any idea what could cause this wrong behavior ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Le 19 mai 2010 à 19:59, J. Landman Gay a écrit : What happens if you type into the message box: delete stack main stack Does it go away then? (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) Hmmm, as soon as I sent my email to this list, it starts to work again :) and without changing anything in my stack ! So, I'll try this later... Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Le 19 mai 2010 à 21:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 19/05/2010 22:19, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: What happens if you type into the message box: delete stack main stack Does it go away then? (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) Yes, it does! As I said in the last email, sometimes it works just the way is has, sometimes not. All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely from the memory of the IDE. Right. But that's what he wanted. The issue is whether or not destroystack is working as it's supposed to. I haven't seen any problems with it but since two people think they have, that's what's under investigation. I don't really mind from my side, but it's annoying for those I'm sending my work... One problem out of this is when you start again the stack, the init processing ( depending on my own design doesn't work correctly then. ) and from the user's point of view it just doesn't work ! This is the real side effect for me :( So, I have to investigate this and make a consistent workaround. Maybe it's because of my code, maybe not... but I need to fix it. Is this chap running on Win, Mac or Linux? Hey , Richmond ! I said on Mac with Rev 4.0 :) Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
Le 19 mai 2010 à 21:34, Andre Garzia a écrit : Been there as well, came to a little fix if you can call that a fix, instead of closing the stack try something along the lines of: delete stack myStack This will really take it out of the memory, so these days, I close and then I delete or vice versa... So, we are at least 3 to have experienced it ! Sounds a good one. I'll try it for a while and see... Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?
Le 7 mai 2010 à 11:15, René Micout a écrit : Am I in this case in violation of § 3.3.1 ? In absolute (towards contract), yes, but where are the proof ? If I act in this way, I don't see where is there problem... René Bonjour René, Then, in your next reincarnation, you will be a vulture, eating only rotten food :) Cordialement, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Le 4 mai 2010 à 04:37, Graham Heather Harrison a écrit : Jacque wrote: But look at the nice thread you started. Yes, it has been very informative… and civilised. Note: If you reference externals or externalPackages for me or this stack, your new External will not appear. Sorry. it's just wrong ! I'm doing this all the time for years. and I second what Mark Wieder says. Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Okay, now I'm a little puzzled. I removed all the old stuff about creating a template stack, adding the externals property to it, and then using it to create a dummy stack. I then added the following code to my main stack script: on startup if the platform is Win32 then set the externals of stack main to externals/midi.dll else set the externals of stack main to externals/midi.bundle end if end startup I can now successfully call my external, both under the IDE and as a standalone. However, when I examine the property sheet for my main stack under the IDE, the property doesn't exist. If I go into the Message Box and type put the externalPackages of stack main to see what's actually loaded, it lists nothing either. Yet it must be there, because it's working. Shouldn't both properties exist? Hi Paul, Sounds it's not that easy ! Welcome to the club :) A guess : your external is launched from another stack. A second guess : you have already launched your external before starting your stack, or say other way, the previous time you launched your external, it didn't close properly and keep running in the IDE. Does this speaks to you ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Le 4 mai 2010 à 20:22, Bob Sneidar a écrit : A zip program on the other hand, has to create it's own compressed file structure inside the file the OS knows about. It would then be up to the developer to set the flags appropriately, as the OS has no part to play with what is going on inside the compressed file. Well, as much as I understood, ditto should be aware of that. It is clearly explain in the man doc. Inside the zip, it creates a special folder __MACOSX/ where all specifics extended flags are stored You can see that doing an unzip -l yourfile.zip. From tiger, to Leopard and Snow leopad they have change few default options but it's globally all the same. What is strange, is doing a ls -la@ and ls -laO after unzipping, the quarantine flag is here, but not seen at the end of the process ? Sounds a bug to me, or I miss something. Doing a compress folder from the contextual menu gives the same results. Hidden flags are propagated, but not the uchg ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Le 3 mai 2010 à 08:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hello, still struggeling with keeping the locked flag of a file when zipping and unzipping. I followed exactly Thierries advice to use following syntax: ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip :( and though a locked file in Thierries environment is still locked after unzipping, in my environment (MacOS 10.5.8) the file isn't locked anymore after unzipping. MacOS 10.6 here. Could it be this ? new ditto version in it ? So the difference must be in any other test parameter. What I have tried is following: - Actually I am not sure, if the flag gets lost while zipping or unzipping. Anyhow, after unzipping, controlling the information of the file, the flag is lost - I tried different zip tools for zipping and unzipping (ditto, 7zip, gui tar) with same result No, no ! --sequesterRsrc works only with PKZip Do in a terminal: ditto -h Usage: ditto [ options ] src [ ... src ] dst options are any of: ... -X do not descend into directories with a different device ID .. -c create an archive at dst (by default CPIO format) -x src(s) are archives -z gzip compress CPIO archive -j bzip2 compress CPIO archive -k archives are PKZip --sequesterRsrc copy resources via polite directory (PKZip only) Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: OT: need advice for keeping file flags in a zip
Le 3 mai 2010 à 09:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Another thought : Have you all the rights ( user and group ) to do so ? May be worth a try with this one : sudo ditto ... Good luck Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Le 3 mai 2010 à 19:56, J. Landman Gay a écrit : The dummy stack trick is just a clever work-around to allow you to load an external on demand. It isn't required. It sounds like what changed was the standalone builder rather than the way externals work, but I'm not sure either how that works under the hood. Sometimes I wish that dummy stack trick hadn't been announced. It's very handy when you need it for some reason in particular, but it causes a lot of confusion too. I never use it. It's a clever trick ( from Mark W. if I remember well ) when one is writing externals. This way one can set automatically to the dummy stack the path of the external builded in Xcode. Usually, for one external, we have few builds. the simplest case is one for debug and one for release. They are 2 differents files in your Xcode environment , and it's tricky to always be aware to upload the right one... But from the user's point of view, it's not that usefull, maybe a bit challenging. Concerning your recipie from the previous email, it works only in your context. Pass your stack and your external to someone, and you're stuck again ! That was why the lesson about how to safely attach your external... was made. ( useful only for those sharing stack + external associated with. ) From my little point of view, if the external property was relative to the path of the stack instead of the engine. it would be less troublesome My 2 french centimes Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Le 1 mai 2010 à 14:50, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, Hi Tiemo, This command did work for me on Snow Leopard : ditto -v -rsrcFork /source /destination I could keep all hidden and immutable flags ! HTH Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Le 1 mai 2010 à 17:47, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :
Bon soir Thierry,
your proposal seems to be half the way.
Bonsoir Tiemo,
So, did check with your specs.
add a bundle folder in my dir, hide and lock a test file inside the bundle
folder
and did this :
-- create a zip file keeping all specifics macos flags
ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip
-- check what is inside the zip file
unzip -l testditto.zip
Archive: testditto.zip
Length Date TimeName
6148 04-23-10 19:05.DS_Store
0 05-01-10 21:28__MACOSX/
82 04-23-10 19:05 __MACOSX/._.DS_Store
0 04-18-10 07:32 .localized
13 05-01-10 15:32 f1
82 05-01-10 15:32 __MACOSX/._f1
15 05-01-10 15:32 f2
0 05-01-10 21:10tdzx.bundle/
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/
1225 04-27-10 11:26 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Info.plist
0 04-29-10 09:17tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/
216920 04-29-10 09:17 tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/tdzimgdatafilter
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/
92 04-27-10 11:22
tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings
13 05-01-10 21:10 tdzx.bundle/test
0 05-01-10 21:28__MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/
82 05-01-10 21:10 __MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/._test
-- You can see these __MACOSX/ files. they store the flags values.
ditto -x -k testditto.zip Z
Done !
Tres belles fetes du muguet :)
Thierry
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Re: How to transfer a UNIX executable through Rev
Le 25 nov. 09 à 08:12, Richard Miller a écrit : Here's what I am doing. Not sure why this doesn't work. Could it be that you only need to set the executable bit ? chmod +x your file HTH, Thierry I want to transfer the UNIX executable portion of a Mac rev application bundle via ftp. I take the file; compress it to a .gz file; ftp it; then decompress it. The file size is identical upon arrival, but it is no longer recognized as an executable... only a text document. I am using binfile throughout (put the compress of url binfile:xxx into url binfile:xxx.gz). What am I missing? I am transferring from a Mac server to a Mac computer. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Application Browser not showing group items
Hi, Siince 2 days, the Application browser doesn't show me any controls belonging to a group ! I can see them on the screen, can list them from the properties palette ( top - right inspect button ). Running Rev4 on MacOS x Any insights ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to transfer a UNIX executable through Rev
Le 25 nov. 09 à 13:07, Richard Miller a écrit : Thierry, Could be. I'm not familiar with this. I'm trying this: get shell (chmod + x MyExecutableFileName) typo ? Need to be +x , not + x ! When I run this in the msg box, it returns 1. But I see no change to the app. It still looks like a text document... not a Unix Executable File try get shell( ls -l ) then. you should see in something like this : -rw-rw-r-- 1 thierry thierry 2979 Feb 5 2007 rev2perlInit.c -rw-r--r-- 1 thierry thierry 2559 Mar 28 2007 ToCopyInStack.dat -rwxrwxrwx 1 thierry thierry 3797 Mar 28 2007 TranslatePm2c.pl -rw-r--r-- 1 thierry thierry577 Feb 2 2007 rev2perl.c r: read w: write x: executable 1st 3 letters for user, next 3 for group, last 3 for others. On my samples, you can see that TranslatePm2c.pl can be executed by all, but not the other files. Regards, Thierry Here's what I am doing. Not sure why this doesn't work. Could it be that you only need to set the executable bit ? chmod +x your file HTH, Thierry I want to transfer the UNIX executable portion of a Mac rev application bundle via ftp. I take the file; compress it to a .gz file; ftp it; then decompress it. The file size is identical upon arrival, but it is no longer recognized as an executable... only a text document. I am using binfile throughout (put the compress of url binfile:xxx into url binfile:xxx.gz). What am I missing? I am transferring from a Mac server to a Mac computer. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Application Browser not showing group items
Siince 2 days, the Application browser doesn't show me any controls belonging to a group ! I can see them on the screen, can list them from the properties palette ( top - right inspect button ). Is the selectGroupedControls property of the group set to false? If so then the Application Browser won't list the controls. Hi Trevor, You Win ! I've seen it, but wat I missed was to close and re-open the Application Browser after setting this property to true Thanks a lot, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
right click on a list field
Hi all, Can someone confirm that we can't select a line in a list field when right clicking on any line ? Rev4 - MacOsx And any quick workaround ? Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: right click on a list field
Le 18 nov. 09 à 12:44, Klaus Major a écrit : Bonjour Thierry, Halo Klaus, Du hast mir den Tag gerettet ! Ich danke dir. Thierry Hi all, Can someone confirm that we can't select a line in a list field when right clicking on any line ? Rev4 - MacOsx And any quick workaround ? add this to the field script: on mouseUp what if what = 3 then select line (word 2 of the mouseline) of me end if end mouseUp Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting Stack Externals on Mac
Le 16 nov. 09 à 18:22, Jim Bufalini a écrit : Hello, Can someone give me the code for setting the externals of a stack on a Mac Standalone? On PC it is: Have a look at runrev lessons. Trevor did a nice lesson about this. HTH, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revolution on linux with JWM
Hi all, can someone confirm ( or not ) any success installing revolution on any linux box with the JWM window manager ? Thanks for any info or pointers. Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
