updater seems to stall
Hi, all. I've checked the archives and don't see any answer to this problem. I'm running Rev 4.0 Enterprise in Windows 7 (under bootcamp on an iMac). When I choose Check for Updates under Help, the updater opens, but seems to stall at the beginning of the update process. Basically nothing happens, it just says Updating. and the progress bar makes no progress. What's going on? I checked to make sure my registration allowed me to update, and indeed it does (good till August 15, 2011). rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev and the iPad
I've been following the discussion a bit regarding Apple's policies that affect the likelihood that RevMobile will ever find its way onto the iPhone and iPad, and I appreciate the many perspectives offered, they've tempered my own contempt for SJ a bit, though not enough for me to confer any blessings. I'm wondering what is going to happen with our quite expensive RevMobile licenses -- perhaps it's too early to tell, but if I can't program for Apple mobile products, then I don¹t really have any use for RevMobile, and I hope that Rev will simply allow me to transfer the cost of it to license renewals of versions of Rev that DO run on Apple products, though who knows when the proverbial wild hair will cause SJ to banish all but Objective C for my Mac as well. RevMobile was priced quite expensively, presumably under the assumption that it was the golden egg of Rev programming products that was finally going to get me that Lamborghini Countach. Now it's a brick, and we need to figure out what to do. We are all very loyal to Rev and its wonderful staff, but something reasonable will have to be done in the face of this disastrous development. I love the comments about HyperCard, because I too was there, especially the BAD stacks, which outnumbered GOOD stacks at least 50 to 1. I remember! I haven't gone NEAR the pattern palette since! I am a university professor, and did my dissertation research using HyperCard, a dialect survey of a North American aboriginal language spoken over much of Canada and the upper midwest of the U.S. HyperCard greatly enabled me to do REALLY GOOD research, and I continue to use Rev in, well, revolutionary ways in documentary linguistic work. I don't know what I'd use if it didn't exist, I use it every day for some programming need I have. It's not perfect-- the biggest problem for me is the lack of really transparent Unicode usage. But it is REALLY good. I am a language teacher, too, and I've used Rev to make some wonderful teaching tools, and that was my primary interest in using RevMobile, so that I could develop simple language learning tools for my students. I cannot effectively communicate my annoyance that someone can program yet another bloodbath game with stick figures but I cannot use the iPad to circulate language learning programs for a dying language because I happen to use a program that SJ has decided to sort with the goats. This is not an idle issue for me. I also use FMTouch, a really cute implementation of part of FileMaker on the iDevice. My impression is that they are in some way up a creek just as Rev is regarding enabling third party access to the vaunted App Store. They have a wiki discussing various programming/implementation issues and talk about something called Application Provisioning, here http://www.fmwebschool.com/reference/FMTouch_Reference#Application_Provision ing It seems that this would be relevant to just about anything we might to do with deploying to an iDevice. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Question about RevMobile
Hi, all. I'm somewhat dismayed by Apple's new agreement that seems to me to quite clearly lock out RevMobile at present. I have purchased it but not even received it yet! And it's not cheap, as you know. I've got a question about implementing anything on an iDevice-- say I write a cute little program using RevMobile, and just want to run it on my own iPad (which I do not presently own :-)) -- is this not possible -- surely the only way to get anything on your iPad isn't through the Apple Store? How does this work? You see, while I'd love to get rich writing nifty iDevice apps, I am primarily a researcher, and Rev's boon to my existence has always been its capacity to allow me to rapidly develop killer apps for research that I use and share with a few friends who do similar research. But I'm thinking now that perhaps I was misguided in thinking this way about iDevices PRIOR to Apple's C-change. And I must say, although I've owned Macs since first purchasing a new MacPlus, this latest draconian proclamation is the first time I've REALLY SERIOUSLY felt the need to reconsider my loyalty to such a company. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
very strange rev behavior
For some reason, Rev has started taking 50 times as long to open as it used to, and the menus are so slow as to be completely unusable. I thought the program was frozen, just a spinning beach ball for minutes on end as it started up, then slowly it went through the process of opening and finally opened. But choosing any menu item just creates a spinning beach ball that lasts for several minutes. Clicking on the Close button in a window also produces a good minute of beach ball spinning. I downloaded a new copy of Rev and installed it, same problem. It seems to only be Rev that is affected by this, though it seems to be REV vs OS interface issue. I thought perhaps some Preferences file was trashed but replaced those I could find. I'm running Enterprise version 4.0 under Mac OS X Server Verision 10.5.8, on a Power Mac 2.66Gz Quad Core Intel Xeon with 8Gb of memory. I S miss Rev, I hadn't realized how important it is to my daily workflow! Rand Valentine University of Wisconsin-Madison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unicode issues ad infinitum
Hello, fellow Revolution users. I have a quick question, though I really doubt there's any useful answer. I have begun using a Unicode font in a dictionary I've made of a North American aboriginal language, Ojibwe. This language uses Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics. I am using StackRunner to distribute beta copies of the dictionary to testers, some of whom use Macs and some Windows (both XP and Vista). If I set a field to the Unicode syllabics font on my Mac, everything works fine, I get the syllabics rendering properly. I also find that I do not have problems with versions of XP I'm running in VMware Fusion on my Macs. But several Windows XP users report to me that they just get square boxes instead of syllabics. So my guess is that Windows Revolution can't detect a font as a Unicode font if it has Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics (but not say, Chinese or Japanese), so it substitutes another Unicode font, which has no syllabics. Could this be the problem? And is anyone aware of any way around this? All I want is for the field to respect the font that its been assigned, instead of over-riding with the wrong Unicode font. Am I missing something? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mouseUp 1 and 3 problems
On 23 Apr 2008, at 01:50, rand valentine wrote: So the problem is that I can't seem to right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to work fine doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be looking for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks I don't really know about a fix, but I got strange problems with mouse too, maybe you can add something to the bug I filed: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6396 I'm not sure I understand the specifics of your bug report, but it did allow me to conceive of a workaround for my problem -- the problem is (as you say, I think), that a right-click and an if-statement seem to cause weird problems. So I changed my script from an if..end if to a switch...end switch, and now it works fine. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mousebutton 1 and 3
On 23 Apr 2008, at 01:50, rand valentine wrote: So the problem is that I can't seem to right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to work fine doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be looking for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks I don't really know about a fix, but I got strange problems with mouse too, maybe you can add something to the bug I filed: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6396 I'm not sure I understand the specifics of your bug report, but it did allow me to conceive of a workaround for my problem -- the problem is (as you say, I think), that a right-click and an if-statement seem to cause weird problems. So I changed my script from an if..end if to a switch...end switch, and now it works fine. --- Moments later... no it doesn't... still get the same problem, which is... after a script in a field executes on a right-click, (left)-click in the field is then not registered until you first click in another field. Once you do, things work fine till you right-click again. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mouseUp 1 and 3 problems
Hi. I've got a field with text in it. There is an elaborate script for the field which is sensitive to which mousebutton was clicked, doing one thing if 1 was clicked, another if 3. I keep getting a problem -- after I right click something, and the script executes, left-clicking produces no response in the field -- right-clicking will produce a response, and then left-clicking works again. So the problem is that I can't seem to right-click, then left-click. Lots of other fields I have seem to work fine doing this, so it must be something in the script?! What should I be looking for, i.e., what could be causing this? Thanks rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: no defaultstack
Any way to fix this? Thanks. One thing you might try/consider... If you're referencing objects across multiple stacks, or just running into general object reference issues, try to avoid manually building object references, and use the object's long id. In my experience, I've found the engine can get confused (or even start generating gibberish) if you reference objects using a description that you build yourself (ie fld whichField of cd whichCard of stack whichStack). In my case, the situations were very complex and difficult to reproduce -- once I started using long id references, the script errors I was getting went away. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Thank you, Scott, and the others who have given advice on this issue. I am now for a few days super-busy with other matters, so won't be able to properly test your suggestions. I _did_ find that explicitly giving every field reference card and stack coordinates allowed my scripts to execute (seemingly) properly. I think the problem might be related to group behavior. But what is odd is that I've been programming with Revolution for years and don't recall having this problem, even though I've written things equivalent to what I'm working on now (a dictionary display system). But perhaps it _is_ different in having so many groups (6 or so) on one card. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Weird Behavior
I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2). Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For example, in the following script, which simply clears a field: ON mouseUp IF fld notes_note is not empty THEN answer Really clear? with Cancel OR Yes IF it is Yes THEN put empty into fld notes_note -- notes_note END IF ELSE answer The note field is already empty. END IF END mouseUp In running the script, field notes_note is recognized in the IF statement, but I get an error message Chunk: no such object when I run the script, at the line that says put empty into fld notes_note. Anyone know what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at other times. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re; weird behavior
I'm using Studio version 2.8.1 on an intel Mac running Leopard (10.5.2). Also running Galaxy and GL2. I'm getting weird behavior that I don't understand. An object is recognized for some things but not others. For example, in the following script, which simply clears a field: ON mouseUp IF fld notes_note is not empty THEN answer Really clear? with Cancel OR Yes IF it is Yes THEN put empty into fld notes_note -- notes_note END IF ELSE answer The note field is already empty. END IF END mouseUp In running the script, field notes_note is recognized in the IF statement, but I get an error message Chunk: no such object when I run the script, at the line that says put empty into fld notes_note. Anyone know what's up? It seems to happen when I put a field into a group, more than at other times. I remember seeing some discussion of circumstances in which the ask and answer dialogs would alter the execution context, resulting in the symptoms you describe. Whether that's happening here I can't say; I don't recall the specifics. Anyone here know more about the ask/answer context issue, and whether that may be the culprit here? -- Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How does one get around this bug? rv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: weird behavior
Yes, if I remove the answer dialogue, then the script runs just fine. How does one get around this bug? For now: put the defaultStack into tSaveStack answer Really clear? with Cancel OR Yes put it into tVal set the defaultStack to tSaveStack IF tVal is Yes THEN put empty into fld notes_note -- notes_note END IF For all mankind: It's really kinda dumb if we need to save and restore the defaultStack for ask/answer dialogs. Does anyone here know the RQQC# for this issue, and has it been confirmed fixed as of v2.9DP4? The for now script offered above solves the problem. And also, I notice that things work fine in StackRunner, without saving the defaultStack in the script. Thanks. rv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
can't find object messages
Using Studio 2.8.1 on an intel MacBook Pro with 4gb memory, Leopard 10.5.2. I wrote earlier about having problems with a handler not being able to find something on the card I execute from, and someone wrote saying that this was related to a problem with ask and answer dialogs. Now I find the same problem occurring in a script that doesn't have an ask or answer dialog. And the script runs without error when I don't have a breakpoint inserted, but reports a bug when I insert a breakpoint and try to step through it. But it's obvious that the script is not executing properly, because some of its instructions are not being carried out (this is what led me to investigate it). Any ideas on what's going on and how to fix it? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
no defaultstack
I'm using Rev 2.8.1 Studio, MacBook Pro, 4gb memory, Leopard, and now Revolution does not recognize the card or stack that I'm in when I execute a script. So every field reference must be specified for the card it's on and the stack it's in, i.e., one can't just designate: fld whichField rather it must be fld whichField of cd whichCard of stack whichStack I've been playing with setting the defaultstack to the toplevel stack, but that doesn't seem to help. Any way to fix this? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
problems displaying descenders
Hi. I have a stack that displays text in a field so that students can read it. However, if the I set the textSize of this field to a largish number, such as 80, 100, 120 (so it's big enough for a classroom of students to see), then _as I type_ the descenders of characters such as j and g are chopped off, until I finish typing. What setting will allow me to display the descenders as I type? I've tried adjusting the textHeight and margins, but neither seems to do anything. Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
more on sound recording
I've been experimenting with playing mp3 files in a stack I distribute to my students using StackRunner. I've been trying to be able to record within the stack, but have run into many problems recording on different platforms, some of which I cannot seem to solve. But a couple of things have happened that I wanted to share, just in case they're of value to others wiser than I am. 1. Initially, I was able to record with the recordinput set to imic on my Powerbook g4 running Tiger 10.4.7. Then I started getting only garbage -- I wasn't aware of changing any settings, other than futzing with the internal mic vs a plug-in mic, and changing corresponding settings in the Mac System Prefs. I also downloaded a program called dlrecorder, from dartmouth, at the suggestion of one of the contributors to this list (Sivakatirswami). Initially that worked, but then, _at the same time that I couldn't record inside of my stack_, dlrecorder began to quit on start-up, telling me that my audio card wasn't compatible. Something is screwing up the way the audiocard interfaces with applications, undoubtedly some kind of settings file is getting messed up. Sivakatirswami suggested that I fix my prefs, which I did. Nothing changed. I fixed my prefs many times, but lost track of that relationship to sound recording. Then suddenly everything started working again on my PB, as originally. Too many variables, and I can't figure out what is making things work and what isn't. 2. We need a good table of what transfers between platforms and what doesn't. For example, I have been creating mp3 files, on my mac, which I transfer to windows for use by the overwhelming majority of my students who are windows users. But I discovered much to my chagrin that filenames that have a ? in them don't transfer to windows -- they were simply _ignored_ when I copied files to windows. Well, where does one find out about these sorts of gotchas in advance? I guess if one is a professional developer this is common knowledge, but for ordinary mortals, it isn't. Since RunRev is so clearly a cross-platform system, we need docs that specify what restrictions there are cross-platformwise -- maybe they exist and I just haven't found them. I hope this doesn't sound like a complaint about runrev -- I absolutely adore it. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
runrev player, stackrunner in windows xp home
Hi. Are there any documented limitations of the Revolution Player or StackRunner not running in certain versions of Windows? I have a student who is running Windows XP Home on a Sony Vaio, and who tells me he cannot run my stacks through either the player or stackrunner -- the problem involves playing audiofiles (mp3's) that are saved in a separate folder, and opening pdf's that are to be launched from within my stack. Should this work, or is it an os-level problem? The stacks I've built work just fine with StackRunner on my Mac laptop running latest Tiger, as well as my Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop running windows xp pro sp 2. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Protecting a StackRunner (or Player) stack
Hi, all. I've been making some really fun language learning/teaching materials using Rev Studio 2.7.2 on my Mac running OS 10.4.7. I greatly prefer to distribute my stuff (in other words, make it available to students) by just using StackRunner, rather than making standalones, which always seems to entail untold headaches. But since my stacks are preliminary, I want to write an expiration date into them, e.g., one obvious way to do this is check the date in a preopenstack handler, and if it's past a certain date, just cause the stack to quit. But is there any way to protect that preopenstack from prying eyes? Note that the students interact with the stacks _a lot_, so I need the stacks to be totally editable in the sense of being able to add data to text fields, click on buttons and change settings, etc. So is there any easy way to protect a script? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Subject: Re: more on the recorder
Thanks to the people who have given me information about recording sound in Revolution on both mac and pc. The bottom line for me is that it doesn't seem remotely work _at all_. While I was able to get something to work on my g4 laptop initially (by using the imic input and playing with the system settings independently), now nothing works, all I get are super, super slow unrecognizable recordings, whether the recordinput is imic, emic or dflt. I wonder why this is, and why such an important function is in such bad shape. I'm using 2.7.2. For those of us who use runrev to produce language materials, this capacity to record in the program is quite important, since it provides a means for students to compare their pronunciations with those of native speakers (by just recording the student and then ab-ing the student's sound and the native speaker's) rand valentine u of wisconsin-madison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
mics and sound recording
Hi, all. I'm kind of an amateur at Revolution, in the sense that I don't program for a direct living. But I use it a lot. I'm using Studio 2.7.2 on a Mac 17 portable running the latest Tiger incarnation. I'm always discovering new cool stuff in RunRev. Today I discovered the tools for audio recording, and I've been experimenting. Since I use RunRev for building language learning tools, this record thing is really useful. But I have a couple of questions. 1. the recordInput setting lets you specify a recording source, with two choices being imic for internal microphone, and emic for external microphone. Now by my thinking, you should choose emic if you are plugging a microphone into your computer, and imic if you're using the built-in. But it doesn't seem to work this way. If I plug in an external mike and choose emic, _no_ recording is made. If I plug in an external with imic chosen, I get a recording, but it's noticeably hissy. Does anyone have any idea of what's going on here? I mean, what I am doing wrong, or what do I not understand. 2. Is dflt a better setting, since it would look to the system for guidance? Help! And thank you! rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
more on the recorder
Well, I've had some interesting experiences recording sound into Revolution (Studio 2.7.2). Here's what I've found: 1. If I set the inputsource to dflt on my g4 powerbook, and try to record, I get audio files that sounds like pigs on acid. I'm sure my students would find this entertaining, but not exactly what I want to do. The only working choice on the Mac (Tiger) seems to be imic Nothing else works, either producing silence or the above stated porcophony. And I have to choose imic regardless of whether I'm using the internal or a plug-in mike. But this only works if I go to the System Preferences Sound settings, and _there_ change the input source to either internal or external. That setting seems to override anything in RunRev. 2. When I take my file over to my Dell 5100 running latest Windows, the only setting that works is dflt I don't think this dell has a built-in mike, and have been recording with an external. That works fine, as long as inputsource is dflt Using imic or emic doesn't seem to work. I haven't looked at the Windows system pref to see if there might be any variables there to play with. Too many variables in the world. Please let me know if you've written up some notes on these sorts of things, or even could point me to a well-coded stack. Thanks so much. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revolution player vs. stackrunner launching documents
Hi, dear Revolution cognoscenti, I need your help with some development I'm doing. I'm an instructor, and have been using Revolution Studio (2.7.2) on a Mac with the latest OS to develop some language learning materials that I will distribute to students. The students will be using both windows and macs. In the past, I've been very successful in using StackRunner to distribute things, and it's worked better than the Revolution Player in the past -- meaning that more people were able to run my stacks with StackRunner than the Rev Player, perhaps because SR is cleaner, as it says on the Sons of Thunder webpage. Some people seem to have _ancient_ Windows computers that choke on nearly everything. But now I've run into a small problem -- StackRunner doesn't seem to be able to implement the launch document command (I assume some library isn't available), and I want to use that to provide students with access to millions of pdfs. I notice that the Player _does_ allow use of launch document. So here's my question: 1. What's the status of the Rev Player -- is it robust, and is it likely the bulk of your typical student community of Windows users will be able to use it to play my stacks (the only real demand is that they use lots of sound, but I've no problem with sounds testing with StackRunner on Windows? 2. Is there some other way to launch documents that _is_ likely implemented in StackRunner? Thanks so much for any comments. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
simple textheight question
Hello, all. I have a simple problem -- I have made a very simple stack that I use for presentations -- it has a text field in which I type text that my audience can see as I type. My problem is that if I make this field's textSize a large number, e.g., above 24 point or so, then the descenders (e.g., in the letters 'g' and 'p') do not show up as I type them, but only when I type a return in the field -- and changing the textheight property doesn't seem to remedy this. What can I do to have the field display descenders for large font sizes as I type characters? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
StackFormat and Stack Reversion
Hi, all. Forgive a dumb question, I read the lists often, but often too miss days. I've tried to search on my question using the Google advanced search to search the list, but had no luck, which baffles me because I recall some discussion pertaining to my question. I got an update of DreamCard to 2.7, then promptly forgot about the backwards compatibility issues with the DreamCard Player, and StackRunner. I am teaching a class in Ojibwe and have developed many materials with DreamCard, which my students can then play with either player. But checking tonight, I noticed that neither the DC Player nor StackRunner can play 2.7 stacks, and I also noticed that there's not a Player update at the runrev site. Then I tried using the plug-in called StackFormat, and kept getting an error saying that there was a problem with the script but that the stack was locked, so I was out of luck there too. I tried to download an update of StackRunner, which it invited me to do. Upon update it vanished from my plugins menu. So I went and checked the plug-ins folder and found a _text-file_ called StackFormat. I tried to be clever and change its type to the type of other 2.7 stacks I have, but alas, no StackFormat anymore. So, several questions. A. Once you save a stack in 2.7 format, there is no way to get it back to 2.6 (the only reason I use 2.7 is because I prefer the helps format in it). B. Is there any documentation for StackFormat? C. What happened to StackFormat on update? By the way I use a Mac with the latest version of OS X. Thanks. Rand Valentine University of Wisconsin-Madison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
trouble downloading dreamcard
I am having the same problem. In my case, I tried downloading the installer for Dreamcard (several times) from this page: http://downloads.runrev.com/dreamcard/ ... The installer downloads OK, but then, on expanding, the following message appears: An error has occurred while expanding the file install_download.app.sit (The archive may contain damaged content). Error #17538 This is particularly worrying as I only bought Dreamcard one month ago, and the last thing I want is to be obsolete so quickly, particularly if Dreamcard is going to be dropped. I had the same problem, so I downloaded the most recent version of (free) StuffIt Expander, at: http://www.stuffit.com/mac/expander/download.html This solved my problem. I'm using the latest version of Mac OS X. Rand Valentine University of Wisconsin-Madison Linguistics 1168 Van Hise Hall (608) 262-2292 American Indian Studies 317 Ingraham Hall (608) 263-5501 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamCard Player and possible problems
Rand, if you want a simpler method of distribution, you can check out StackRunner: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ StackRunner.htm It is a stripped-down version of DreamCard Player that doesn't include RevOnline or any other stuff, and has been adopted by a number of people for stack distribution because it can be configured to automatically open a stack when it launches and doesn't provide its own interface to get in the way. Check it out.. Thanks so much, Ken, that was very helpful. It didn't solve my student's problem, but it did help me with another problem I wrote to the list about awhile ago, namely that I couldn't get the DC Player to start on my Windows laptop running XP Home Edition. The StackRunner works fine on that laptop, so I'm very happy about that. Thanks for making this program, too, Ken, your outfit is a real blessing for us DreamCard users. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
dreamcard player and memory
Hello, dear Revolution experts. I've been developing a dictionary for my students of Ojibwe (an Algonquian language), using mainly my Mac PowerBook running the latest OS and DreamCard 2.61. Everything works just great for me, whether I run my stacks in DreamCard itself or with the Player, but I have one student who uses a fairly antiquated Windows computer, and who cannot open one of the substacks in my dictionary application (a set of about 100 cards with htmltext notes). He used to be able to open this substack, but no longer can -- I've been adding to it over the past month, but it would seem odd that anything I've added would push him over the threshold of openability. Is this likely a memory allocation issue on his computer, or could it possibly be something else? I was wondering too if the stack Revonline Viewer might be taking up memory, and if I could remove it from memory (does simply closing it do that?). Anyway, any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Rand Valentine University of Wisconsin-Madison Linguistics 1168 Van Hise Hall (608) 262-2292 American Indian Studies 317 Ingraham Hall (608) 263-5501 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unable to initialise message installing DreamCard Player
I have just installed the evaluation version of DreamCard on a (pretty zippy and new) Dell laptop I have which is running Windows ME. I have tried several times to install the DreamCard Player, but keep getting a message, when the DC player first tries to start up, saying: Unable to initialise - insufficient system resources 65536 Does anyone have a clue as to what this is about? DreamCard itself installs fine. Rand Valentine University of Wisconsin-Madison ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
problems with ftp
Hi, everyone. I'm having a vexing problem with ftp-downloading a series of files in a repeat loop. I need to download three files. The loop is very simple, something akin to: repeat with counter = 1 to 3 put decompress(url ftpPath/filecounter.gz) into temp put temp into fld counter end repeat The ftp commands are straightforward, but what happens is that the first file gets put in the third field, and the other fields aren't updated. So it seems like the put command _isn't_ blocking. What can I do to fix this? I'm still using rev 2.2. Thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
counting empty items
If I do this: set the itemDelimiter to tab put the number of items of tab tab tab tab 1 is returned. why not 4? I don't get it. -- if I do this: set the itemDelimiter to tab put empty into item 4 of testVariable put the number of items of testVariable 3 is returned. why? rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
deleting lines from a text file
I've experimented a bit with attempting to delete lines from a text file. The following simple script should readily allow the deletion of a line, no?? -- on mouseUp answer file what file? put file: it into theFile delete line 2 of url theFile end mouseUp This produces an error of type chunk, with the specific message: can't find object. Things work fine if you change delete to put empty into, but that creates the problem that some of you have pointed out, ie, that the delimiter is not deleted. Could someone else verify this, so that I know it's a bug and not bad karma :-)? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
delete and put empty in url file: structures
Hi, all. I am wondering if I have found a bug in runrev version 2.2 running under mac os x.3.3. here is the problem: if i have a script line that goes delete line x of url file:someFile.txt the script crashes saying that the object cannot be found but if i change the script to: put empty into line x of url file:someFile.txt then the script works. Even the transcript docs say that delete and put empty... are equivalents. Why would the script crash with delete then but not with put empty? I know there are no other errors with this script (ie, the problem isn't about finding files or anything like that, it's _strictly_ about deleting a line), though I'm not sure if the error occurs with every call to delete a line in every url file structure. this drove me batty this morning, till i figured out what the problem was. thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ugly tabbed buttons
hi, all. i notice in my stacks that my tabbed buttons no longer look like nice tabs, but instead look like a thin, sectioned bar with a displaced drop shadow behind them, ie, they don't look like tabbed buttons anymore, though they still work okay. something crashed the proper gui for tabbed buttons. and when i create a new tabbed button, it has the same hideous appearance. is this a bug in 2.2? or did i wreck rev somehow? i'm using latest panther mac os x. thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 8, Issue 31
Welcome to Panther :-) This is the new look for tabbed buttons in Panther, you haven't done anything and there is no fix. Cheers, Sarah Oy, these tabs are so ugly compared to the pre-panther tabs )-:. But thanks to all you dear gurus who took the time to reply to my question, that is clearly the problem. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
uglification of tabbed buttons
hi, all. i notice in my stacks that my tabbed buttons no longer look like nice tabs, but instead each looks like a thin, sectioned bar with a displaced drop shadow behind them, ie, they don't look like tabbed buttons anymore, though they still work okay. something crashed the proper gui for tabbed buttons. and when i create a new tabbed button, it has the same hideous appearance. is this a bug in 2.2? or did i wreck rev somehow? i'm using latest panther mac os x. thanks. rand valentine p.s. i sent this note previously from a different email address and it bounced. forgive me if you have had to read this twice. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
simulating a mouseclick on a certain line in a list field
hello, dear revolution gurus. i have a list field that has a mouseUp script attached to it, which does something based on the value of the clicked-on line. But how do I simulate clicking on a particular line in a field, ie, how do I send the listfield, in essence, a virtual click on a particular line, so that the mouseUp script, which needs the clickLine to function, works properly? I hope this is clear. Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
saves and shutdowns
Hi, everyone. I'm using rev 2.1.1 with mac os x (jaguar) and trying to make a simple data collection application. Basically I have the data saved in textfiles, which are loaded into the stack when the stack is opened. When the user quits, I want to save the updated information back into the textfiles. A couple of points. To load the textfiles, I locate them using the following script in the preOpenStack of the data collection stack. The textfiles are in a folder called data which is in the same folder as the data collection stack. In the following, this stack refers to the data collection stack on preOpenStack put the effective filename of this stack into thePath set the itemDelimiter to / delete last item of thePath put /data after thePath set the defaultFolder to thePath put url file:wordlist into fld wordlist put url file:sentences into fld savedSentences put url file:settings into theSettings end preOpenStack Now when I try to trap the user's quitting with on shutdownRequest (save the collected information to the textfiles) pass shutdownRequest end shutdownRequest or on shutdown (save the collected information to the textfiles) end shutdown neither of these results in the files being saved. -- However, if i put the following: on closeStack (save the collected information to the textfiles) end closeStack then it works. Here are my questions: 1. Why can't I effectively trap a shutdown request? 2. When I make the stack into an application, does the closeStack function still apply to the application file's quitting? I mean, it's not a stack anymore, right? 3. How come, even when I use a closeStack handler and successfully save the information to textFiles, I have to click on the filenames in the Finder in order for the proper (new) modification time of the saved textfile to show up in the Finder? thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
additional icons
Hi, all. I'm wondering if there is anywhere where I can easily get more icons to add to a kind of general store of them for standard Revolution development. For example, there are only a couple of next and previous navigational icons in the standard set, and they ain't that pretty, nor are the metacard icons that are included with RunRev. We could all use a couple of dozen more, I'm sure! So here are my questions: 1. where can I find additional (pretty) icons? What are the factors that one must consider with icons in general in RunRev? Where can I find a good discussion of this? 2. how consistent are icons across platforms, esp. Mac and Windows? Eg, can I insert an icon in a stack I'm developing on a Mac and will it then show up all pretty under Windows (assuming it begins that way on the Mac)? Thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
problems with google and list archive
Hi, all. I noticed a problem when I tried to google the list archive in my normal fashion, e.g., entering into the google search field: icons site:lists.runrev.com Well, google produces a nice list, but when you click on the link google provide, it doesn't link to the appropriate message. Now the links look like this: lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/ 2003-April/004592.html So we see that messages are stored by year-month/ and then a number, such as 004562, above. But somehow the new system has massively screwed this up. Is there a way around this, or is it being fixed? thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
memory dimensions in stacks and standalones
Hi, all. 1. I'm working on a set of stacks which will provide quite a bit of information, representing a kind of encyclopedic dictionary of an American Indian language. I'm manipulating a lot of this info with various global arrays, and I'm wondering what sorts of limits on memory I need to think about. For example, I want to include a citation database -- that is, a collection of texts which can be used to provide examples to users of the dictionary -- this database could easily grow to 5 megabytes in size. If I have say, five other array files open that together take up 10-15 megabytes, will this be a problem? I just have no idea of how memory management works with runrev stacks (or any application!). And of course, I want my final dictionary to be a standalone. What do I need to worry about? 2. If I were to put my citation database in a text file, in order to look something up in that file, does the whole file have to be in memory? Thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
copying text from lists.runrev.com
hi, all. i have a really basic question. often, when i have a question about runrev, instead of bugging/bothering the list, i open my browser and do a google search on the list archive for relevant info, e.g. if i were wondering about how arrays work (which I am!), then I would type: array site:lists.runrev.com well, this is great, because it's easy to follow threads, and i _should_ be able to cut and paste a given thread to produce nice little threaded studies of topics. but here's my problem: whenever i paste a message in mac os x.2.6 [and x.2.8] (and i haven't tried other systems) all of the quoted material (with lines beginning with or ) in a message collapses into a single paragraph, eg, Yves, As long as cPoints only has student data (i.e. every element in cPoints is what you'll be checking), you can do this: put into myList put 1 into elementNum repeat for each element e in cPoints if e = 5 then put line elementNum of keys(cPoints) cr after myList end if add 1 to elementNum end repeat Hope this helps, now, the display in my browser has a line break before each or . why are the cr's before so spineless, i.e., does anyone know why my computer converts this into the useless mess above, and how i might correct it? i've tried everything i can think of. does it have something to do with mac vs windows linefeed/cr stuff? thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
opaque fields not scrolling correctly
rand valentine wrote: I am using mac os x.2.6, and have a problem with opaque fields when i scroll them. if i scroll a field back to the top, there are seeming fine horizontal white lines in the field's contents that render the contents unreadable until i click in the field or otherwise manipulate it. if i turn the field's opaque setting off, the field doesn't have this problem. But I don't want all of my fields transparent. Is there some field setting that corrects this? I checked the archive but could not find comment on this, it must be a common complaint. Thanks. klaus major wrote in response: this is a bug in the 2.1 engine and already reported. Hopefully we might see an update in the near future ;-) yesterday i discovered that if i turn off the three dimensional property for the (opaque) field, then it works just fine. it's just not as pretty. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
opaque fields scrolling problem
I am using mac os x.2.6, and have a problem with opaque fields when i scroll them. if i scroll a field back to the top, there are seeming fine horizontal white lines in the field's contents that render the contents unreadable until i click in the field or otherwise manipulate it. if i turn the field's opaque setting off, the field doesn't have this problem. But I don't want all of my fields transparent. Is there some field setting that corrects this? I checked the archive but could not find comment on this, it must be a common complaint. Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
arrays as custom properties or custom property sets
i have been reading old posts to the list to try and figure out as much as I can about using custom properties and custom property sets to store arrays of data. But there is some indeterminancy in the list posts, as one might expect, since they almost always address very specific needs. So, could someone knowledgeable clarify for me how exactly one differentially loads (and accesses) an array as a custom property versus a custom property set? I want to have about 6 arrays, all as distinct custom properties, but in the same set. My reason for doing things this way is simple -- if I make each array a differnt custom property set, don't i always have to be setting the custom property set to the appropriate one in order to access that array's data? Thanks so much. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
updating databases
Hi, everyone. I have been working at making a dictionary database, using runrev 2.0.1 and Valentina VXCMD, on Mac OS 9.2.2. Now since I am kind of a beginner with sql, I have been trying to play it safe as far as having cursors and that sort of stuff goes . So what I do is 1. build a simple select all query using the database query builder, which opens the Valentina database. 2. I then execute a revDataFromQuery command that loads a scrolling field with the whole data set. 3. Then I click on a line in the scrolling field to load that record's field values into individual revolution text fields (not designated as database fields in any way). 4. I have handlers that record the entry value of a given field, and the exit value -- if these are different, I then try to update the particular field in the particular record in the Valentina database, which is identified by a unique code. To do this, I use a revExecuteSQL command that contains an UPDATE sql command to update the appropriate record in the Valentina db. But that record never seems to get updated! Why not? Am I fundamentally wrong in my understanding about something? I have also tried using a revCommitDatabase instruction following the attempted update, but again, when i go to the database query builder and refresh the * query, the record i'm trying to change is unchanged. Any help would be great appreciated. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
tabbing into combo boxes
Is there a way to open a combo box's menu when the user tabs into it, so that they can then just choose from the list of menu choices without having to pop the menu manually? Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: installing valentina vxcmd
I am still struggling to install the valentina database xcmd on my mac 10.2.6 system (with revolution 2.0.1). Has anyone done this successfully? According to the author of Valentina, it's a simple matter of dragging the macho version of the xcmd into the Revolution 2.0.1 folder -- but this does not work for me, the xcmd is not accessible inside Revolution. Furthermore, the xcmd bundle looks like a Canvas (graphics program) tool, and when double-clicked on, opens Canvas. Could anyone remotely clue me on how to get this to work properly? Thanks. By the way, the xcmd works fine on mac os 9. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using Valentina
Could someone knowledgeable about Valentina help me a bit? I figure I could try posting these questions to the Valentina list, but since the readers here know runrev better, I thought I'd try here first. I am trying to install the xcmd so I can use Valentina, but I am uncertain about the exact procedure. I'm using Mac OSX.2.6 and Rev 2.0.1 a. Which Valentina XCMD do I use, the one called VXCMD_Carbon_MC or the one called VXCMD_Macho? What is Macho? b. To install, according to the scant directions in Valentina, you copy the CODE resource from a specified file into the stack you want to use Valentina with. I did that. c. AND you put the XCMD in the same folder as Runtine Revolution. d. AND the docs say: For windows and macho versions for new stack, you must set the externals property of your stack to the path of the external. Do we have to do this? (I tried). And if we do, what is the form of the externals command? Is it: set the externals of this stack to ./VXCMD_Macho? (this is the example given in the Valentina docs for an external named VXCMD_Macho_MC. Thank your for any help you can provide. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
using database query builder
I have several questions about working with Rev and databases (I'm using Valentina xcmd for now on a mac running os 10.2.6). 1. When I open my main working stack, I have a Database Query Builder (hereafter DBQB) connection that connects to a Valentina database that presently has two tables, BasicLexicon and Keys. I have two queries, one for the table BasicLexicon and one for the table Keys. When I run revopendatabases() I get the answer: 4 Why not 1, 2, or 3? Why 4 for the database ID? It doesn't matter if I quit Runrev, turn off my computer, etc. I always get 4. 2. In DBQB, I set a certain field as the primary field for a given query. But whenever I recheck the query, the primary field is listed as None until I click the refresh query button. Why would this be? 3. Previously I reported that I was able to use revDataFromQuery to get the results of a join, that is, request data from two distinct tables and have it stitched together. But now this no longer works -- when I execute the revDataFromQuery using the command that worked before, I get: revdberr, and that's all. Any ideas on what's going on? Also, if I can't do a join in this way, how _do_ I do one? Thanks so much. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
substack behavior
Greetings to all, and many thanks for all of the helpful posts to this list. I'm working on a fairly elaborate database (a dictionary research tool), using RR 2.0. I want to be able to provide myself and my research partner with reference materials, and the logical way to do this would seem to be to have floating substacks that provide different kinds of information in fields. But when I open a substack, I have to negotiate all of the open stack, close stack, etc. stuff -- but what I really want is just a floating window that provides information -- is there any way to suppress the open-stack messages and that sort of stuff? It's easy enough to have a blank open-stack handler in the sub-stack, e.g., on openstack end openstack but this seems kludgy and there may be all sorts of handlers going off that I'm unaware of -- is there like a global setting for a stack that goes -- pretend this isn't a stack but just a popup window? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sql joins and the revDataFromQuery function
I am working on a database using Valentina and RunRev. I am just learning sql and have discovered that sql joins will be key to a lot of my development. So I constructed a join, which looks like the following: SELECT BasicLexicon.Nishnaabemwin, BasicLexicon.PoS, Keys.Key, Keys.PoS, Keys.SubKey, Keys.UniqueCode FROM BasicLexicon, Keys WHERE BasicLexicon.UniqueCode = Keys.UniqueCode The details aren't important -- Basically, all this is doing is getting information from _two_ different tables in a Valentina database, and stitching them together. Here's my question -- Why does this work with the following function call: put revDataFromQuery(,,1,myJoin,) into fld dataset This does exactly what I want! What puzzles me is the fact that the revDataFromQuery seems to require a single database ID: revDataFromQuery([columnDelim],[rowDelim],databaseID,SQLQuery[,varsList]) So how can this join succeed, since it's looking up two distinct queries as defined by the Database Query Builder, and I only passed it the index of one (1)? Is this a bug soon to be corrected, or am I missing something? Thanks. rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
arrow keys in fields
I am having a hard time getting arrow keys to work as I want in a text field. I want pressing the arrow keys to move me within the text of the field, not jump to another field. The textArrows property is presumably designed to handle this, but it doesn't seem to work properly with a grouped field-- pressing an arrow key causes a jump to another field (or a jump _somewhere_), but does move the cursor within the field. What am I doing wrong? rand valentine ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Various questions
Hi, all. I really appreciate everyone's contributions to this list, both those taking time to pose questions and of course those who provide answers. I've been a HyperCard user since it was first introduced, and have used it extensively for various linguistic-related projects. I wrote my phd dissertation using HyperCard to organize data (a dialect study of the North American aboriginal language Ojibwe). I am presently teaching at the University of Wisconsin (Madison) in American Indian Studies, seeking to help preserve the Ojibwe language (most aboriginal languages in the world will die out in the next two generations due to pressures of globalization). Most of my Revolution work will involve producing stacks to help language learners. I use Mac OS9, X.1.2, and Windows 2000. I built my first runrev language stack today, and have a couple of questions for the group: 1. If you use a player and external sounds, is there any way to relativize the path to the sounds? For example, I have cards that have Ojibwe written on them, and when the user clicks on a button, my pronunciation of the Ojibwe is heard-- via a player that finds an audio (wav) file. But how do I generalize the paths in the players so that a downloaded copy of the runrev stack with associated audiofiles will be able to find the audio files without the user's having to know how to link files? Could you use the default folder to good effect in this case? Help! 2. How necessary is it to have external audio files? What is the size threshold in terms of final stack size? For example, if I have a set of say 25 audio files that are each about 50K, will it really tax a typical Windows or Mac system to have all of these audio files embedded in a single RunRev file (ie, overload memory to load this stack)? What guidelines can be given as to size? This would really help novice users. 3. To the RunRev team: We need a stack repository, where people can upload stacks to give others ideas about developing their own materials. This will only help Revolution thrive as a commercial product. The docs for runrev are a great start, but they are still very limited. Stack examples will help people with particular interests to see implementations of projects of the sort that they themselves are undertaking. It's funny-- runrev produces in me the same kind of loyalty/devotion that the mac does- something about aesthetics and the quality of life. I _love_ this program. It will help Ojibwe to survive. Okay, enough for now. Thanks for your help, dear fellow programmers. rand valentine u of wisconsin-madison ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
