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Hi Try, On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:08 PM, Klaus Major wrote: If you want some real applications, MC/RR is the only choice. Not to throw water (or petrol) on it , but I do think that there have been an application or two made with Director. No doubt. Also, Director is on version 9, In fact it is 8.5 with OS X compatibility ;-) RR has yet to deliver version 2. Questioning Macromedia's commitment to the product, and comparing it to that of a rather young company would seem to be a bit of self delusion. Don't get me wrong, I like RR a lot - but Director is not a tool to look down upon. Sorry if my mail looked like i was looking down upon director. That was not my intention. (One of the drawbacks of not being a native english speaker in a posting like this...) Many people have made entire careers on that tool, Believe it or not, even i made my first money by creating several mulitmedia cds with director. Since i am completely selftaught and having had nothing but a little bit of HC background (i got my first LC with the full version of HC, those were the days...) the learning curve was immense. So my comments about director were just im comparison of the scripting language. Amen! Lingo is just plain ugly by comparison. This was Judy's line i was referring to. and it continues to represent a large portion of my company's income. Director MX on OSX is really quite a nice tool, and the scripting does not come off as an afterthought. Director is for sure a mighty scripting-tool which even supports OOP. (Very high learning curve, at least for me, still have no idea :-) But it is just the elegance :-) of the scripting language i was talking about. Example: The everyday tasks like writing to a file require heavy scripting in director (and limited to one special folder, if i remember well...) and a one-liner in RR. MM/RR is simply easier to use and to learn. And less expensive :-) (I spent about 800 Euro a year to get the upgrades for the mac AND win in my director years. Much money for a small company like mine. 1 CEO, 1 programmer, 1 graphic designer, and all 3 were me :-) And, in the event that an application needs to run inside a browser, there is nothing anywhere near as powerful as ShockWave. Fully ack. Both Director an RR have a place. In many ways they play in completely separate leagues. I'd rather not choose which one to keep and which to dismiss as not as good. Agreed entirely. But Director's probably a better animation tool and RR's probably a better application builder. Judy I fully agree to Judy in this last sentence :-) Troy Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Now back to work with what tool ever ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Am Samstag, 11.01.03 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Klaus Major: Hi Try, sorry for that Of course i mean: Hi Troy ! :-) Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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What specific features in Rev 2.0 would have made the difference for your project's needs? With the base cost of Director plus the cost of rewriting everything from scratch, such a migration is an expensive option. Granted, but I like Transcript much better than Lingo. Having come from a HyperCard background years ago it's refreshing to get back to a scripting language that is both powerful and straightforward. In addition, I'm not confident in Macromedia's committment to Director. Scuttlebutt has it that Director MX may be the last major upgrade version. So, I'm willing to invest the time (the $ has already been spent) to use Rev 2.0 but every week that passes with no Rev 2.0 makes it more difficult for me to accomplish what I need to in so short a period of time. Cheers (or cheese)... Bill Lynn Simtech Publications www.hsj.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Amen! Lingo is just plain ugly by comparison. I suspect you may be right about Macromedia's committment to Director as well: (1) Look how long it took them to get out an OSX version. (2) Look at how much the two product lines of Flash and Director seem to becoming either redundancy or merging into a single product. The movie metaphor just doesn't work for me in making what essentially are applications... Judy On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Bill Lynn wrote: Granted, but I like Transcript much better than Lingo. Having come from a HyperCard background years ago it's refreshing to get back to a scripting language that is both powerful and straightforward. In addition, I'm not confident in Macromedia's committment to Director. Scuttlebutt has it that Director MX may be the last major upgrade version. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:08 PM, Klaus Major wrote: If you want some real applications, MC/RR is the only choice. Not to throw water (or petrol) on it , but I do think that there have been an application or two made with Director. Also, Director is on version 9, RR has yet to deliver version 2. Questioning Macromedia's commitment to the product, and comparing it to that of a rather young company would seem to be a bit of self delusion. Don't get me wrong, I like RR a lot - but Director is not a tool to look down upon. Many people have made entire careers on that tool, and it continues to represent a large portion of my company's income. Director MX on OSX is really quite a nice tool, and the scripting does not come off as an afterthought. And, in the event that an application needs to run inside a browser, there is nothing anywhere near as powerful as ShockWave. Both Director an RR have a place. In many ways they play in completely separate leagues. I'd rather not choose which one to keep and which to dismiss as not as good. -- Troy RPSystems, LTD www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Rob, Sigh. Dare I say amen again? Judy On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Rob Cozens wrote: however, it leads to some interesting conjecture as to what it would have been like to create those same applications in QuickTime Interactive (aka HyperCard v3). ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Troy Rollins wrote: Not to throw water (or petrol) on it , but I do think that there have been an application or two made with Director. Also, Director is on version 9, RR has yet to deliver version 2. Questioning Macromedia's commitment to the product, and comparing it to that of a rather young company would seem to be a bit of self delusion. True, but how long has that rather young, small, company had an OSX-native version? For the class I am taking in which Director was required, Mac users had to buy the product not once but twice within a 16-week period to get OSX-runnability (buried deep in their tech notes was the recommendation that the user NOT run it in Classic mode -- big pain.) And, even with educational pricing, Director ain't cheap. Moreover, I'd wager that Director and Flash have much more in common than areas in which they functionally differ. How can this possibly make continued business sense? Don't get me wrong, I like RR a lot - but Director is not a tool to look down upon. Many people have made entire careers on that tool, and it continues to represent a large portion of my company's income. Director MX on OSX is really quite a nice tool, and the scripting does not come off as an afterthought. But it was. Plus I think it's on its second language (I read somewhere after Video Works became Director, its first scripting language was BASIC-like). And as an article in the Communications of the ACM noted, its scripting language looks like a 'mish-mash of C code with Director's Lingo. And, in the event that an application needs to run inside a browser, there is nothing anywhere near as powerful as ShockWave. True. Both Director an RR have a place. In many ways they play in completely separate leagues. Agreed entirely. But Director's probably a better animation tool and RR's probably a better application builder. Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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run inside a browser, there is nothing anywhere near as powerful as ShockWave. So true. Which makes the sweet smell of Death now lingering about Director so disconcerting - and too familiar. OMO, HyperCard, ... Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Believe it or not I just paid $600 to upgrade to Director MX because Rev 2.0's release is later than announced and is still a question mark for me. I'm faced with the monumental task of updating 23 of my current programs by October so they run under Mac OS X. I'm just wondering if anyone on this list is attending MacWorld Expo in SF this week. If so, did Macromedia show up? They were conspicuously absent from last summer's expo in NYC. BTW, I think there's no better way to invite a flood of off topic and perhaps offensive postings than by reminding people of list etiquette. That's my 2 pence and I'll leave it at that. I wonder what kind of cheese Jesus likes? Cheers... Bill Lynn Simtech Publications www.hsj.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bill Lynn wrote: Believe it or not I just paid $600 to upgrade to Director MX because Rev 2.0's release is later than announced and is still a question mark for me. I'm faced with the monumental task of updating 23 of my current programs by October so they run under Mac OS X. I'm just wondering if anyone on this list is attending MacWorld Expo in SF this week. If so, did Macromedia show up? They were conspicuously absent from last summer's expo in NYC. BTW, I think there's no better way to invite a flood of off topic and perhaps offensive postings than by reminding people of list etiquette. That's my 2 pence and I'll leave it at that. I wonder what kind of cheese Jesus likes? Camembert. What specific features in Rev 2.0 would have made the difference for your project's needs? With the base cost of Director plus the cost of rewriting everything from scratch, such a migration is an expensive option. MacWorldExpo.com lists Macromedia as being at booth #1035. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.1: Publish any database on any site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
