RE: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread Jim Schaubeck
I am having the same issue with revlets.  They work 100% in IE but maybe 85%
in Firefox.  Is there a certain discipline I should be using when writing
code for revlets so they work in revlets supported browsers?


jim schaubeck
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On 7/21/10 4:52 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
 Jacqueline,

 My Rev app is working great and doing exactly what I want. The
 problem is the web page only works in IE and I have no control over
 what browser the user has set as their default. If it isn't IE, then
 the page doesn't work correctly.

 It is the page itself that doesn't work in Firefox.

I see. There isn't much you can do. Some web developers still write 
IE-specific pages that no other operating systems can view, and a good 
chunk of the Windows population can't see those either. About all you 
can do is rewrite the web page so it doesn't use IE-specific elements. 
Most sites are doing that now, as they should.

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread Bill Vlahos
OK. I wasn't specific about all the details because it wasn't material to the 
question but since people keep trying to solve the wrong problem I will now say 
the whole story.

A company I work at has this terrible time card software program. For some 
inexplicable reason this web page actually opens a popup window after you 
authenticate. This means that the user has to turn popup blocking OFF.

The software has only been certified for IE on Windows but in our testing it 
actually works in Firefox and Safari too. Our users have popup blocking already 
turned OFF for IE. To make life easier for other browsers we recently added 
code to the page that tests for popup blocking.

My program is a reminder application that launches a URL to whatever the 
default browser is. The URL works perfectly for IE, Firefox, and Safari 
regardless Windows or Mac. However, we discovered that if a Windows user has 
IETabs installed in Firefox the URL hangs Firefox. So we were left with the 
dilemma of either not detecting the blocking of popups which means the user has 
no idea why the screen just blinks at them or hanging the browser.

I thought that if I could direct IE to open the URL for Windows, it would 
always work because all the users already have IE correctly not blocking popups.

Fortunately the code for testing blocking of popups was fixed so it doesn't 
matter any more.

However, it sounds like there isn't a good way to open a specific browser in 
Windows.

Bill Vlahos

On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

 You aren't specific about what does not work (menus, images, layout, 
 javascipt, etc) but you are entering the land of cross-browser compatibility. 
  You are not specific about which IE version.
 
 Very few people like the idea that a particular app (such as IE) is launched 
 by a program.  Many would suspect phishing or other nefarious actions are 
 taking place, much like their bad experiences with the annoying pop up window 
 marketing tactics.
 
 If you use JQuery or other javascipt library, you have far less worries about 
 which browser and which version.  It would handle all versions.
 
 Another drawback to designing for IE is that every version makes substantial 
 changes.
 Solution:  Your web code will instruct the user's browser to download the 
 JQuery and CSS files that you specify.  This means when IE 9 rolls out, all 
 you need to do is update the JQuery library file on your server and you are 
 covered for all versions of all browsers.
 
 A very complete documentation and corrective action tutorial is on 
 http://quirksmode.org but be warned, it is a complex subject.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Jim Ault

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread Andre Garzia
Bill,

can't you do something akin to shell(iexplorer.exe the url) ?

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 OK. I wasn't specific about all the details because it wasn't material to
 the question but since people keep trying to solve the wrong problem I will
 now say the whole story.

 A company I work at has this terrible time card software program. For some
 inexplicable reason this web page actually opens a popup window after you
 authenticate. This means that the user has to turn popup blocking OFF.

 The software has only been certified for IE on Windows but in our testing
 it actually works in Firefox and Safari too. Our users have popup blocking
 already turned OFF for IE. To make life easier for other browsers we
 recently added code to the page that tests for popup blocking.

 My program is a reminder application that launches a URL to whatever the
 default browser is. The URL works perfectly for IE, Firefox, and Safari
 regardless Windows or Mac. However, we discovered that if a Windows user has
 IETabs installed in Firefox the URL hangs Firefox. So we were left with the
 dilemma of either not detecting the blocking of popups which means the user
 has no idea why the screen just blinks at them or hanging the browser.

 I thought that if I could direct IE to open the URL for Windows, it would
 always work because all the users already have IE correctly not blocking
 popups.

 Fortunately the code for testing blocking of popups was fixed so it doesn't
 matter any more.

 However, it sounds like there isn't a good way to open a specific browser
 in Windows.

 Bill Vlahos

 On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

  You aren't specific about what does not work (menus, images, layout,
 javascipt, etc) but you are entering the land of cross-browser
 compatibility.  You are not specific about which IE version.
 
  Very few people like the idea that a particular app (such as IE) is
 launched by a program.  Many would suspect phishing or other nefarious
 actions are taking place, much like their bad experiences with the annoying
 pop up window marketing tactics.
 
  If you use JQuery or other javascipt library, you have far less worries
 about which browser and which version.  It would handle all versions.
 
  Another drawback to designing for IE is that every version makes
 substantial changes.
  Solution:  Your web code will instruct the user's browser to download the
 JQuery and CSS files that you specify.  This means when IE 9 rolls out, all
 you need to do is update the JQuery library file on your server and you are
 covered for all versions of all browsers.
 
  A very complete documentation and corrective action tutorial is on
 http://quirksmode.org but be warned, it is a complex subject.
 
  Hope this helps,
 
  Jim Ault

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread Mike Bonner
Yeah, that was suggested as well as launch whattolaunch with program.

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote:
 Bill,

 can't you do something akin to shell(iexplorer.exe the url) ?

 On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 OK. I wasn't specific about all the details because it wasn't material to
 the question but since people keep trying to solve the wrong problem I will
 now say the whole story.

 A company I work at has this terrible time card software program. For some
 inexplicable reason this web page actually opens a popup window after you
 authenticate. This means that the user has to turn popup blocking OFF.

 The software has only been certified for IE on Windows but in our testing
 it actually works in Firefox and Safari too. Our users have popup blocking
 already turned OFF for IE. To make life easier for other browsers we
 recently added code to the page that tests for popup blocking.

 My program is a reminder application that launches a URL to whatever the
 default browser is. The URL works perfectly for IE, Firefox, and Safari
 regardless Windows or Mac. However, we discovered that if a Windows user has
 IETabs installed in Firefox the URL hangs Firefox. So we were left with the
 dilemma of either not detecting the blocking of popups which means the user
 has no idea why the screen just blinks at them or hanging the browser.

 I thought that if I could direct IE to open the URL for Windows, it would
 always work because all the users already have IE correctly not blocking
 popups.

 Fortunately the code for testing blocking of popups was fixed so it doesn't
 matter any more.

 However, it sounds like there isn't a good way to open a specific browser
 in Windows.

 Bill Vlahos

 On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

  You aren't specific about what does not work (menus, images, layout,
 javascipt, etc) but you are entering the land of cross-browser
 compatibility.  You are not specific about which IE version.
 
  Very few people like the idea that a particular app (such as IE) is
 launched by a program.  Many would suspect phishing or other nefarious
 actions are taking place, much like their bad experiences with the annoying
 pop up window marketing tactics.
 
  If you use JQuery or other javascipt library, you have far less worries
 about which browser and which version.  It would handle all versions.
 
  Another drawback to designing for IE is that every version makes
 substantial changes.
  Solution:  Your web code will instruct the user's browser to download the
 JQuery and CSS files that you specify.  This means when IE 9 rolls out, all
 you need to do is update the JQuery library file on your server and you are
 covered for all versions of all browsers.
 
  A very complete documentation and corrective action tutorial is on
 http://quirksmode.org but be warned, it is a complex subject.
 
  Hope this helps,
 
  Jim Ault

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread Jim Ault


On Jul 24, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

However, it sounds like there isn't a good way to open a specific  
browser in Windows.


Bill Vlahos



For me, if there was a program or operation that opened a browser in  
the manner you are describing, I would be unpleasantly surprised and  
seek to kill that program or process.  This would especially be true  
of a browser.


Now if I was asked, I responded 'yes', and then the browser was  
launched that would be an acceptable scenario.



Jim Ault
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-24 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 7/24/10 4:23 PM, Jim Schaubeck wrote:

I am having the same issue with revlets.  They work 100% in IE but maybe 85%
in Firefox.  Is there a certain discipline I should be using when writing
code for revlets so they work in revlets supported browsers?


Originally we were talking about web pages that don't work on all 
platforms because they use Windows-specific technologies.


Revlets, on the other hand, should work the same way on any OS and 
browser. If you can tell us what commands or features aren't working, 
and on which OS and browser, maybe we can troubleshoot.


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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-22 Thread Jim Ault

On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:02 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On 7/21/10 4:52 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

Jacqueline,

My Rev app is working great and doing exactly what I want. The
problem is the web page only works in IE and I have no control over
what browser the user has set as their default. If it isn't IE, then
the page doesn't work correctly.

It is the page itself that doesn't work in Firefox.


I see. There isn't much you can do. Some web developers still write  
IE-specific pages that no other operating systems can view, and a  
good chunk of the Windows population can't see those either. About  
all you can do is rewrite the web page so it doesn't use IE-specific  
elements. Most sites are doing that now, as they should.


--
Jacqueline


You aren't specific about what does not work (menus, images, layout,  
javascipt, etc) but you are entering the land of cross-browser  
compatibility.  You are not specific about which IE version.


Very few people like the idea that a particular app (such as IE) is  
launched by a program.  Many would suspect phishing or other nefarious  
actions are taking place, much like their bad experiences with the  
annoying pop up window marketing tactics.


If you use JQuery or other javascipt library, you have far less  
worries about which browser and which version.  It would handle all  
versions.


Another drawback to designing for IE is that every version makes  
substantial changes.
Solution:  Your web code will instruct the user's browser to download  
the JQuery and CSS files that you specify.  This means when IE 9 rolls  
out, all you need to do is update the JQuery library file on your  
server and you are covered for all versions of all browsers.


A very complete documentation and corrective action tutorial is on http://quirksmode.org 
 but be warned, it is a complex subject.


Hope this helps,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Vlahos
I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great with 
whatever browser the user has as their default browser.

The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that IE is 
the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on Windows.

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Jeff Massung
Doesn't launch url tURL work for you just fine? Does for me. Launches FF,
Chrome, Safari... whatever my default browser is.

Jeff M.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great
 with whatever browser the user has as their default browser.

 The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that IE
 is the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

 On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on
 Windows.

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Marty Knapp

On Mac, I've saved URLs as weblocs and then used the launch command:

launch webLocPath with /Applications/Safari.app

On Windows perhaps you could save a URL as a shortcut and do the same? 
(I've not tried it)


Marty Knapp

I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great with 
whatever browser the user has as their default browser.

The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that IE is 
the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on Windows.

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:

 I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great with
 whatever browser the user has as their default browser.
 
 The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that IE is
 the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

Could you use a revBrowser instance?  That is designed to use IE.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Mike Bonner
Another option is to use the shell command:

put quote  c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe  quote
into tBrowser
put http://www.mini-itx.com; into urltoget
get shell(merge([[tBrowser]] [[urltoget]]))

The only thing i'm unsure of is if IE is always in the same location.
I also can't test at the moment, no windows access right now.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Marty Knapp martykn...@comcast.net wrote:
 On Mac, I've saved URLs as weblocs and then used the launch command:

 launch webLocPath with /Applications/Safari.app

 On Windows perhaps you could save a URL as a shortcut and do the same? (I've
 not tried it)

 Marty Knapp

 I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great
 with whatever browser the user has as their default browser.

 The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that
 IE is the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

 On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on
 Windows.

 Bill Vlahos
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Mike Bonner
that shoulda been:
put quote  c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe  quote
into tBrowser

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Mike Bonner bonnm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another option is to use the shell command:

 put quote  c:\program files\internet explorer\iexplore.exe  quote
 into tBrowser
 put http://www.mini-itx.com; into urltoget
 get shell(merge([[tBrowser]] [[urltoget]]))

 The only thing i'm unsure of is if IE is always in the same location.
 I also can't test at the moment, no windows access right now.

 On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Marty Knapp martykn...@comcast.net wrote:
 On Mac, I've saved URLs as weblocs and then used the launch command:

 launch webLocPath with /Applications/Safari.app

 On Windows perhaps you could save a URL as a shortcut and do the same? (I've
 not tried it)

 Marty Knapp

 I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great
 with whatever browser the user has as their default browser.

 The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that
 IE is the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?

 On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on
 Windows.

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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Vlahos
Jeff,

Yes it works fine for the default browser.

The problem is that the web page only works in IE. If Firefox or some other 
browser is set as the user's default browser then it fails to work correctly on 
the web page.

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On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

 Doesn't launch url tURL work for you just fine? Does for me. Launches FF,
 Chrome, Safari... whatever my default browser is.
 
 Jeff M.
 
 On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:
 
 I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great
 with whatever browser the user has as their default browser.
 
 The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that IE
 is the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?
 
 On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on
 Windows.
 
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Jeff Massung
Bill,

My apologies. I misread the problem. ;-)

Many of the other suggestions should do what you want. My preference is for
the shell command version (don't forget to set the hideConsoleWindows to
true on windows).

Jeff M.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:

 Jeff,

 Yes it works fine for the default browser.

 The problem is that the web page only works in IE. If Firefox or some other
 browser is set as the user's default browser then it fails to work correctly
 on the web page.

 Bill Vlahos
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 On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

  Doesn't launch url tURL work for you just fine? Does for me. Launches
 FF,
  Chrome, Safari... whatever my default browser is.
 
  Jeff M.
 
  On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote:
 
  I want to open a link on Windows using revGoURL link. This works great
  with whatever browser the user has as their default browser.
 
  The problem is that the link only works in IE and I can't guarantee that
 IE
  is the default browser. How can I have a specific browser run the link?
 
  On the Mac I could use AppleScript but I don't know how to do it on
  Windows.
 
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 7/21/10 3:32 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

Jeff,

Yes it works fine for the default browser.

The problem is that the web page only works in IE. If Firefox or some
other browser is set as the user's default browser then it fails to
work correctly on the web page.


Do you mean that the browser launches but the page does not load 
correctly? If so, Rev has done its job and there is something in the 
http on the web page that isn't working.


Or, maybe the URL isn't being passed correctly. Does the right URL show 
up in the browser navigation bar?


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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Jeff Massung
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:


 Do you mean that the browser launches but the page does not load correctly?
 If so, Rev has done its job and there is something in the http on the web
 page that isn't working.


Jacqueline,

I think Bill means the page uses IE specific extensions (e..g ActiveX
controls). I don't think he's suggestion a problem with Rev so much as
asking, I need to use IE and not the default browser; how can I do that?

Jeff M.
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Vlahos
Jacqueline,

My Rev app is working great and doing exactly what I want. The problem is the 
web page only works in IE and I have no control over what browser the user has 
set as their default. If it isn't IE, then the page doesn't work correctly.

It is the page itself that doesn't work in Firefox.

Bill Vlahos
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On Jul 21, 2010, at 2:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 7/21/10 3:32 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
 Jeff,
 
 Yes it works fine for the default browser.
 
 The problem is that the web page only works in IE. If Firefox or some
 other browser is set as the user's default browser then it fails to
 work correctly on the web page.
 
 Do you mean that the browser launches but the page does not load correctly? 
 If so, Rev has done its job and there is something in the http on the web 
 page that isn't working.
 
 Or, maybe the URL isn't being passed correctly. Does the right URL show up in 
 the browser navigation bar?
 
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Re: How can I direct revGoURL to a specific browser?

2010-07-21 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 7/21/10 4:52 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

Jacqueline,

My Rev app is working great and doing exactly what I want. The
problem is the web page only works in IE and I have no control over
what browser the user has set as their default. If it isn't IE, then
the page doesn't work correctly.

It is the page itself that doesn't work in Firefox.


I see. There isn't much you can do. Some web developers still write 
IE-specific pages that no other operating systems can view, and a good 
chunk of the Windows population can't see those either. About all you 
can do is rewrite the web page so it doesn't use IE-specific elements. 
Most sites are doing that now, as they should.


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