LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) save 60% on revStudio deal

2010-09-21 Thread Jerry Balzano
With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of revStudio, 
revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the midsummer deal we were all 
offered (and I and others accepted) to SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO.  When I took 
this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth of complimentary 
upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of complimentary upgrades.  Unless 
I'm mistaken, if I wish to cross over to LiveCode, it's now going to cost me 
an additional $98, or approximately 2/3 of the $149 I was saving with the 
midsummer revStudio deal

I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat disingenuously, 
by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was in effect going to 
be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather underhanded manner of 
behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful customers? (rhetorical 
question)

We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why 
we're making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just $99 
and save $150 We won't be repeating this offer any time soon.

Indeed.

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Re: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) save 60% on revStudio deal

2010-09-21 Thread Mike Bonner
Actually, if I understand how this works, you still will get your full year
of complimentary upgrades.  They are honoring licenses that extend several
years into the future.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Jerry Balzano gjbalz...@ucsd.edu wrote:

 With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of
 revStudio, revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the midsummer deal
 we were all offered (and I and others accepted) to SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO.
  When I took this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth
 of complimentary upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of
 complimentary upgrades.  Unless I'm mistaken, if I wish to cross over to
 LiveCode, it's now going to cost me an additional $98, or approximately 2/3
 of the $149 I was saving with the midsummer revStudio deal

 I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat
 disingenuously, by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was
 in effect going to be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather
 underhanded manner of behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful
 customers? (rhetorical question)

 We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why
 we're making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just
 $99 and save $150 We won't be repeating this offer any time soon.

 Indeed.

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Re: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) save 60% on revStudio deal

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Wieder
Jerry-

The way I understand things, your current license agreement stands.
Nothing changes until its term is up.

-- 
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 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) save 60% on revStudio deal

2010-09-21 Thread Richmond

 On 09/21/2010 09:01 PM, Jerry Balzano wrote:

With the sudden, unexpected release of LiveCode and disappearance of revStudio, revMedia, etc., I'm feeling a bit stung by the 
midsummer deal we were all offered (and I and others accepted) to SAVE 60% on revSTUDIO.  When I took 
this deal and paid the $99, I was led to expect a year's worth of complimentary upgrades to revStudio, not two month's worth of 
complimentary upgrades.  Unless I'm mistaken, if I wish to cross over to LiveCode, it's now going to cost me an 
additional $98, or approximately 2/3 of the $149 I was saving with the midsummer revStudio deal

I can't help but think now that this deal was offered, somewhat disingenuously, 
by RunRev, knowing that the product they were selling me was in effect going to 
be discontinued two months later?  Is this rather underhanded manner of 
behavior any way to treat your longtime, faithful customers? (rhetorical 
question)

We want you to take the plunge and realize the benefits of Rev. Thats why we're 
making you a one time offer. Buy a revStudio license today for just $99 and save $150 We 
won't be repeating this offer any time soon.

Indeed.

- jerry balzano___


Indeed . . .

Many attendees at the Edinburgh conference and subscribers to the DVD 
set had to wait
donkey's ages for the DVDs. After some 'heckling' RunRev issued those 
who had not recieved
their DVD sets with extended licenses that were good until September 
4th . . .


'LiveCode' was released on September 19/20 (i.e. after September 4th) 
with a whole new way

of putting in licenses.

The extended licenses while serving to mollify a few did nothing else 
whatsoever:

as no updates post RunRev 4.0 were forthcoming prior to 5th September.

--

This kind of behaviour has happened before . . .

Indeed.
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Re: LiveCode 4.5 and the midsummer (2010) save 60% on revStudio deal

2010-09-21 Thread Peter Alcibiades

It is always a Faustian pact, using closed source software, especially when
it is in rapid development.  Rev is perfectly entitled to abandon the Media
experiment.  It was noble, but evidently it did not work out.  I also think
its treated the Studio buyers such as myself fairly, it was entitled to
change the terms of renewal any time it wanted, and its done so.  

You pays your money and takes your choice.  Python is out there, its free,
it has an enormous variety of IDEs and editors, its thoroughly cross
platform, and it has a thriving community and innumerable tutorials and
textbooks and howtos.

But, it is rather a steeper learning curve, depending on where you are
coming from.

It is really not much different from Hypercard, is it?  It is someone else
that owns it, and you have really no say in what happens to it.  Do not, one
might advise, get too dependent on it, unless you really know what you are
getting into.  The thing about Rev is that there is an inbuilt conflict of
interest between two target markets, those who want to develop
non-commercially, and need it to be cheap, and those who are successfully
developing commercially, and can afford to pay decent fees.  In the end, its
going to be very hard to reconcile the two sets of needs.  They have done
their best with the mix and match pricing, but some bits have fallen by the
wayside.  Pity.
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