Re: LiveCode in K-6 school environment

2010-09-23 Thread Monte Goulding
> Now this is really very interesting.
> 
> I put some plastic cups on the table and move beans around them and call it a 
> calculator.
> 
> The I set up an interface with buttons as per a standard Electronic 
> calculator;
> 
> and a few fields called "cup1", "cup2", "cup3", and so on on RevMedia.
> 
> Then get one kid to move beans around the cups and tell the kid at the 
> computer things like:
> 
> "put the beans from cup1 and the beans from cup2 into cup3"
> 
> and
> 
> "take the same number of beans as are in cup1 out of cup2 and put them in 
> cup3"
> 
> then the kids start writing code "under" the '+','-','/' and '*' buttons . . .
> 
> most of these kids are in the 7 - 10 range.

That's gold Richmond. I'm going to try it with my 7 year old.

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Re: LiveCode in K-6 school environment

2010-09-23 Thread Richmond

 On 09/23/2010 09:58 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:

Hello Monte,


- Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds).

It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging 
group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my experience 
teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I 
wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready to program.  A 
simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize is 
more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 year 
olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my 
experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) was 
that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level of 
abstraction...  On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to 
scripting in order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you 
end up doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of 
your skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.



Now this is really very interesting.

I put some plastic cups on the table and move beans around them and call 
it a calculator.


The I set up an interface with buttons as per a standard Electronic 
calculator;


and a few fields called "cup1", "cup2", "cup3", and so on on RevMedia.

Then get one kid to move beans around the cups and tell the kid at the 
computer things like:


"put the beans from cup1 and the beans from cup2 into cup3"

and

"take the same number of beans as are in cup1 out of cup2 and put them 
in cup3"


then the kids start writing code "under" the '+','-','/' and '*' buttons 
. . .


most of these kids are in the 7 - 10 range.
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Re: LiveCode in K-6 school environment

2010-09-23 Thread Monte Goulding
Hi Scott
> 
> It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging 
> group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my 
> experience teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no 
> matter how hard I wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready 
> to program.  

Yeah, that's what I was thinking but I didn't want to assume anything given my 
4 year old is a wiz on the iPad ;-). The oldest kids will be about 12 I think.

> A simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize 
> is more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 
> year olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my 
> experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) 
> was that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level 
> of abstraction...  

OK, I might tell them it's best if it's only year 6 and small groups of keen 
kids.

> On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to scripting in 
> order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you end up 
> doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of your 
> skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.


Ah, now you've got me blushing ;-)

Cheers

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Re: LiveCode in K-6 school environment

2010-09-22 Thread Scott Morrow
Hello Monte,

> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 

It sounds like the age of children you are looking at may be a challenging 
group if writing code is the goal. I teach 8 and 9 year olds and my experience 
teaching them HyperCard (and last year, revMedia) is that (no matter how hard I 
wish it to be different) very few are developmentally ready to program.  A 
simple PowerPoint type interface and/or templates that they can customize is 
more appropriate with the kiddos I work with.  A few of the more gifted 9 year 
olds can get their head around variables and if-then branching but my 
experience (and the general consensus of folks I spoke to at a few RevCons) was 
that 10 or 11 year olds were usually better able to think at that level of 
abstraction...  On the other hand, it hasn't stopped me from exposing kids to 
scripting in order to see who gets a light in their eyes!  Let us know what you 
end up doing.  I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting to know what someone of 
your skill will end up contributing inside a school setting.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web   http://elementarysoftware.com/
email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
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On Sep 22, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I'm about to start doing a day a week at my kids school to help them with 
> their ICT program and I'm interested to hear the experiences of anyone using 
> LiveCode in that environment. I'm thinking in terms of:
> - providing tools for teachers. 
> - eLearning for young kids. 
> - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 
> - providing tools for parents or school/parent communication
> 
> Cheers
> 
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> M E R Goulding Software Development
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
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LiveCode in K-6 school environment

2010-09-22 Thread Monte Goulding
Hi

I'm about to start doing a day a week at my kids school to help them with their 
ICT program and I'm interested to hear the experiences of anyone using LiveCode 
in that environment. I'm thinking in terms of:
 - providing tools for teachers. 
 - eLearning for young kids. 
 - Starting programming for older kids (9 or 10 year olds). 
 - providing tools for parents or school/parent communication

Cheers

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Monte Goulding
M E R Goulding Software Development
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

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