Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Sarah Reichelt]

> And Sarah, let me express my utter horror that you let your kids play games 
> on your development computer. I trust that any woman brilliant enough to 
> develop software, has not provided an Administrator account in either OS to 
> the little gremlins?


LOL! The "little gremlins" are now bigger than me and have their own
computers, but they know that Mum's computer is off-limits :-)
But these days, even the game playing kids realise that the best
computer for running either Windows or Mac OS, is a Mac.

BTW, for the original poster, here is a link to a recent article about
the various ways to run Windows on a Mac.


Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Jim Kanter]

I used to lug a 17" around and a couple of years ago I switched to a
15". Fits into more accessories (messenger bags, etc.) as well as
being lighter and opens more easily in an airliner. I am strongly
considering going back to the 17" on the next pass as I work in video
and being able to see a full HD frame is becoming more important every
day.

The weight difference does become important if you're lugging it
around all day but not if it's just basically going between home and
office. Carrying a 17" with accessories in a backpack around a
convention hall for 8 hours does take its toll on your back.
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Bob Sneidar]

If carrying books (plural) and papers with the MacBook Pro, I seriously doubt 
the difference in weight between a 13" and 15" model would ever register much, 
unless he is going hiking on a mountain trail. :-)

Bob


On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> and think about how he would feel
> with that over his shoulder on the train or underground, along with books
> and papers.  

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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Bob Sneidar]

My only caution to this approach is if something goes horribly awry in your 
Bootcamp installation, it's a wipe and reinstall in your future, just like with 
an actual Windows machine. Also the amount of disk space your Windows partition 
takes out of your Mac hard drive is fixed. 

Parallels however has a dynamically expanding disk image, so you can claim 120 
gigs, but if Windows only really takes up 15 gigs, that is all the hard drive 
space it will use on the Mac. And back to my original point, you can install 
everything you need in your Windows OS, update everything, get it all set up 
just the way you want it, then quit Parallels and backup the image file, so 
that a complete system and software restore is a matter of deleting the bad 
image, copying the backup and renaming it what the original was. 15 minutes and 
you are back in business. They also have a drive image snapshot feature which 
you can configure as you please. And if you are sharing your Mac folders with 
Windows there is no loss of data. 

And Sarah, let me express my utter horror that you let your kids play games on 
your development computer. I trust that any woman brilliant enough to develop 
software, has not provided an Administrator account in either OS to the little 
gremlins? 

Bob


On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> My kids use BootCamp because they want to be able to play all the modern 
> games.
> I use Sun's Virtual Box which is free, but doesn't have the
> performance of BootCamp. But I can switch to it without rebooting and
> it runs Rev fine.

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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Bob Sneidar]

I think the difference between the two is mainly screen real estate. I 
personally like room to stretch out so I have the 17" model. My advice in any 
case is if you are going to be running VM's, get at least 4 gigs of ram and a 
large HD. The ones they come with these days are pretty large so you may not 
have to bump that up. If you plan on running all three OSes and a lot of apps 
in each one simultaneously, I'd get 8 gigs of RAM. 

Screen real estate can be somewhat resolved with an external monitor, but if 
you will be working at a desk it begs the question why the portable. Obviously 
you like to be mobile when doing computer work. 

I use Parallels, and I find it superior to VMWare in many respects, not the 
least of which is the ability to configure multiple network devices 
independently in the guest OS. (VMWare may have caught up in this regard 
though.) They have a couple of display modes which almost make the Windows 
environment disappear. That can be disconcerting if you use the Windows Desktop 
a lot like many people do. But it's a hotkey to switch between Windowed mode 
and Crystal or Coherence mode so it's not too big a deal. 

They also have a sharing feature which redirects your Windows documents, 
pictures, music and desktop folders to point to your Mac ones as a method of 
sharing files seamlessly between the Mac and the Windows environment. This can 
be a real boon if you work a lot with Office files, and especially Revolution 
projects. 

Bob


On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> 
> I'd like advice in two areas .
> 
> 1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
> I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the relative 
> weights.
> But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is over the 
> older Dual Core.
> So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark sites for 
> Mac ?
> 
> 
> 2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some kind). 
> Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare or other VM 
> later.
> Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?
> 
> Thanks
> -- Alex.
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Peter Alcibiades]

kee nethery wrote:
> 
> My advice is smaller is better..
> 

Yes, very much agreed.  The last laptop I bought for someone, I had him go
into stores, talk to his friends, pick up and carry around their 15 and 17
inch laptops, as well as smaller ones, and think about how he would feel
with that over his shoulder on the train or underground, along with books
and papers.  The application was working in reference libraries, on
materials you can't either photocopy or photograph, as well as occasional
use in other travel situations.

We ended up buying him a Thinkpad X series, 12.1 inch screen with a neoprene
envelope for when he stuffs it in his backpack or briefcase, and he is very
happy with it.  If you use (or in this case teach someone to use) virtual
desktops properly, small screens are much less of a problem.

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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Paul Looney]

Alex,
Over the last decade and a half each new laptop I bought had a bigger  
screen. I've always considered this an improvement.
On the last purchase I debated for almost six months between the 15"  
and the 17". I finally got the 17" and have not regretted that  
decision at all. Based on my experience, you would probably be  
happier with a 15" instead of the 13" - and  happier yet with the 17".
Several people have mentioned connecting to a larger monitor at home  
or in the office. I use this arrangement myself and my old eyes like  
it a lot. If you are going this route I'd recommend getting an  
external monitor with the same resolution as the laptop (just a  
larger size) - that way, when you change from laptop to desktop  
monitor, everything is in the same relative position (in other words,  
the icons don't get re-arranged when moving to the smaller screen).  
This works with the high resolution 15" and std. 20" monitor or the  
17" and a std. 23" monitor.
For a laptop, with many applications running, the amount of RAM will  
make more difference than the processor speed. Get a much as possible.
You didn't ask about the SSD option but I'd advise skipping it on a  
laptop - put the money into RAM. BTW I use an SSD on my Mini and it  
is fantastic.
I can't stand the glossy screens, some people like them better. This  
is an important decision (on both the laptop and the desktop) be sure  
to look at both before buying.

I only run OS X so I can't offer any assistance with item 2.
I'm sure you will enjoy your new computer - no matter which one you  
get - today you really can't go wrong. Congratulations.

Paul Looney

On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:



I'd like advice in two areas .

1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the  
relative weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5  
is over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark  
sites for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some  
kind). Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare  
or other VM later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks
-- Alex.
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Douglas]

If buying new, always check out the Apple Refurb Store at
(For the UK)
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw
(For the US)
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw

You can save several hundred pounds and you still get the full warranty etc.

I saved 300 UK pounds on a MacBook Pro 17" (last model) which I am 
really impressed with - the new ones must be quite something!



On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
I'd like advice in two areas .


1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the 
relative weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is 
over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark 
sites for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some 
kind). Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare 
or other VM later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks




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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Jim Ault]

Modern versions of both parallels and fusion can run multiple  
instances of Windows while running OSX.


If you purchase a MacBook now vs buy a used model from a private  
party, you will be working with Snow Leopard.  You need to check for  
compatibilities and ask specifically about Snow Leopard to make sure  
you will get the performance you want.


Do you have the option of visiting an Apple store?  The one in Vegas  
is very busy, very helpful, and has a well-trained staff that I have  
found tells is like it is and not just to sell computers.


The largest drain on performance is running graphic/video apps no  
matter what OS, so triple boot may depend on which apps.  I run my  
MacBook 13 inch (single boot only) with a second monitor so screen  
size is not the issue in my office.  I think the adapter mini-VGA  
comes with a new MacBook, so the external monitor is simply plug and  
play without reboot.  OSX moves all the windows and desktop icons  
automatically so you can switch on the fly, even back and forth if  
necessary.


MacFixiT.com usually has a wealth of info about all the glitches/ 
tricks and presents a high volume of searchable contributor material.
The VMWare support site also has a wealth of articles about specific  
programs and compatibilities.



Good luck,

On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:



I'd like advice in two areas .

1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the  
relative weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is  
over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark  
sites for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some  
kind). Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare  
or other VM later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Kee Nethery]

My advice is smaller is better. 

I have an LCD screen at home and at work along with full keyboard and mouse and 
other peripherals at these two major use locations. So in effect, I have a dual 
screen setup at home and at the office. One large LCD and a smaller laptop LCD. 
When I travel I obviously only have the small laptop LCD but because the laptop 
is small, I tend to take it lots of places because it doesn't weight much and 
it is easy to protect.

Small screen / small laptop works quite well for me with the LCD monitors at 
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Petrides, M.D. Marian]

Alex
This is a little off target from the question you actually asked, but  
I wanted to share my experience going from a 15 in MBP to a 13 in MBA.


The biggest impediment I found to getting work done efficiently on the  
MBA was not the lack of speed.  It was the fact that the 13 inch  
screen seriously limited the number of apps I could have running side- 
by-side. This then got  in the way of such basic operations as copying  
text from a Word document into a text field in an application I was  
building in Rev or having a PDF of the Rev manual open at the same  
time as I was using Rev. I eventually decided to go back to using a 15  
inch MBP pretty much exclusively for the screen size.


Of course, YMMV.

Marian


On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:



I'd like advice in two areas .

1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the  
relative weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is  
over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark  
sites for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some  
kind). Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare  
or other VM later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks
-- Alex.
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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Alex,

This might help you.
http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Triple_Boot_via_BootCamp

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Op 28 apr 2010, om 00:46 heeft Alex Tweedly het volgende geschreven:



I'd like advice in two areas .

1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the  
relative weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is  
over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark  
sites for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some  
kind). Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare  
or other VM later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks
-- Alex.



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Re: OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I'd like advice in two areas .
>
> 1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
> I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the relative
> weights.
> But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is over
> the older Dual Core.
> So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark sites for
> Mac ?

As I understand it, the new Intel i5 is not that much faster than the
old Dual Core, but the new graphics architecture makes the new
MacBooks way faster than the old models, even if this is not obvious
from the basic CPU speed.


> 2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some kind).
> Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare or other VM
> later.
> Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Just get the biggest hard drive you can.

My kids use BootCamp because they want to be able to play all the modern games.
I use Sun's Virtual Box which is free, but doesn't have the
performance of BootCamp. But I can switch to it without rebooting and
it runs Rev fine.
Parallels (& I think Fusion but I'm not sure) has the ability to run
rom your BootCamp partition, so you can have both systems and just
choose the one that meets your needs at the time.

Cheers,
Sarah
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OT: MacBookPro advice needed.

[Alex Tweedly]

I'd like advice in two areas .

1. Should I buy the 13-inch or the 15-inch ?
I can compare the screen sizes, and the resolution and even the relative 
weights.
But I don't have a realistic idea of how much faster the Intel i5 is 
over the older Dual Core.
So any advice about performance, or pointers to reliable benchmark sites 
for Mac ?



2. I plan to dual-boot or triple-boot OSX, Win 7 and Linux (some kind). 
Probably just using Bootcamp, but I might want to use VmWare or other VM 
later.

Any advice on setting the machine up to make this easy ?

Thanks
-- Alex.
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