Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Sorry to hear the news Andre - Ill keep my fingers crossed that you get most of the data back. If you want some online disk space when you get things sorted Id be more than happy to give you some subversion space. Again best of luck with getting your data back - I got good results one from using a bootable linux disk! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Hi Andre, have you tried removing the drive from your MacBook (easy to do with the new laptops) and seeing if the machine will boot from CD/DVD without it? If not then the machine is dead, and your disk may be recoverable. For that you'd need someone with an equivalent MacBook that you could put your messed-up (not dead we hope) drive into. You could firewire mount that onto yet another Mac system and copy your home filestore onto that, or back it up onto DVD-R. I've done variations on this in the past to recover dead systems. -- Phil Jimmieson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (UK) 0151 795 4236 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Lets hope it is not hard drive, but motherboard of your laptop, in this case strange sounds may also come out from hard drive devices... There are external cases for hard drives to be connected through USB. They come in different sizes for laptop and desktop hard drives and prices vary (~30-70 Eur per device). Once my PC (well, not Mac, but there should be similar things in Mac world too) crashed like yours, so I took the drive out, connected to the external case and made backup of all the remaining contents using another computer with USB connection. Although that drive had lots of bad sectors too and PC did not boot from it or any other device, but, lucky I was, it worked this way... Just an idea to try... Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Andre Garzia Date: 1/16/2007 6:34:01 AM To: Improvements to Revolution Subject: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken. Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre This worked for my iBook too and is a cheap and easy diy solution if the actual drive and mechanism is OK. If there is a problem with the drive itself, and *no other means of recovery is open to you* then you may have nothing to lose by disassembling (or getting someone else to disassemble) the HD itself and transferring its platters to another mechanism. This is a high risk last resort strategy for the point at which you are already regarding the data as lost. Google under 'disassemble hard drive'. Best of luck James -- James J Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063 On 16 Jan, 2007, at 13:20, Viktoras Didziulis wrote: Andre, Lets hope it is not hard drive, but motherboard of your laptop, in this case strange sounds may also come out from hard drive devices... There are external cases for hard drives to be connected through USB. They come in different sizes for laptop and desktop hard drives and prices vary (~30-70 Eur per device). Once my PC (well, not Mac, but there should be similar things in Mac world too) crashed like yours, so I took the drive out, connected to the external case and made backup of all the remaining contents using another computer with USB connection. Although that drive had lots of bad sectors too and PC did not boot from it or any other device, but, lucky I was, it worked this way... Just an idea to try... Viktoras ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, MacBook and its HD broken.
Andre... It does sound like a head crash, which would have destroyed a chunk of your disk which you have to recover through heroic effort. If the noise was caused by something else, as it happened to me some time ago, I took the hard drive out of my cooked computer, put into a USB external housing, connected it to another computer and got my data back... Jim on 1/16/07 2:52 AM, Jim Ault wrote: Andre, Very, very sorry to hear about your dire circumstances. There are a few times when having to reprogram an app or two can be a good thing, but not the whole working environment. If you get back up and running, let me know. It is so easy for me to set up an area on my web host for file storage for you (login and pswd protected). There would be no cost and 5 or 6 g would be just fine. You should have said something to someone in the group, since many of us have drive space available on the net somewhere. I don't know anything about drive recovery, but perhaps someone out here does. Sometimes a college or university will have someone who can work magic, especially with all the computer labs in the world these days. Even better, they might try to do it for very low cost. Good luck and let me know. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/15/07 8:33 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, The fact that the computer will not boot from other drives is a good thing. It indicates that the problem is probably on the board not the HD. I trust you've tried removing the HD from the problem computer to see if it works in another. If it IS the HD, then the less tinkering the better. One of my customers had massive problems with one of his HDs (he reformatted it!) and a company called Drive Savers managed to save almost everything on it. On OLD drives the freezer trick sometimes works. You wrap up the drive so there is no moisture. Put it in the freezer. When chilled, you bring it out and hit it on the side with a rubber hammer. This solves a stiction problem where the drives are overparked or stuck to the disk - as I said, usually a problem with older drives. Obviously a last resort, all else failed, drive is considered lost anyway, situation. For future reference: Your data is too valuable to trust to a single computer. I've found SuperDuper (free trial) and an inexpensive Firewire HD to be priceless. You probably have more data than I do so it may take longer but, in my case, I can completely backup about 30 Gig in 50 minutes with a 2 1/2 Firewire 400 drive - other drives might be twice as fast. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear of you misfortune and wish you the best. Please keep all of us informed. We are rooting for you! Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Do not have you macbook shipped out to Apple for repair before you recover your data. Apple will typically reformat (or even replace) a hard drive even when it is in for unrelated repairs. It is possible that the hard drive has failed and is keeping the system from booting from the other drives. As others have suggested, disconnect the drive from the machine and try to boot from another device. But before you do that, have you tried Firewire target disk mode? (Try to start the machine with the T key held down)? What was your backup machine and what's broken? I might have the spare part you need. Good Luck, Todd On Jan 15, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, here's another tip I ran across: The Unix program dd is a disk copying util that you can use at the command line in order to make a disk image. It makes a bit-by-bit copy of the drive it's copying, caring nothing about filesystem type, files, or anything else. It's a great way to workaround the need for Norton Ghost. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382 also when you get the drive hooked up to another machine use Data Rescue II FIRST to gather as much stuff from your drive as possible, even with a crashed TOC http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue.php this does the magic that Norton used to do years ago. It worked for me. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, MacBook and its HD broken.
I also looked up and got Superduper http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html as suggested in this thread, I forget who. It looks good - very simple - and the purchased version is only $29. on 1/16/07 4:48 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Andre, here's another tip I ran across: The Unix program dd is a disk copying util that you can use at the command line in order to make a disk image. It makes a bit-by-bit copy of the drive it's copying, caring nothing about filesystem type, files, or anything else. It's a great way to workaround the need for Norton Ghost. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382 also when you get the drive hooked up to another machine use Data Rescue II FIRST to gather as much stuff from your drive as possible, even with a crashed TOC http://www.prosofteng.com/products/data_rescue.php this does the magic that Norton used to do years ago. It worked for me. -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Ouch!!! As a Macintosh Repair guy, what you're telling me isn't sounding good. Don't mess with your drive anymore as you could cause yet even more damage to the platters. You really don't want to be messing with drive platters yourself. Send it into a professional with a Clean Room like Drive Saver's. They also have very professional disk tools etc. http://www.drivesavers.com/ It can be pricey, but then so is all of that time that you have invested in all of the software that you have developed. Which is irreplaceable. If you send your unit into Apple, Inc. they probably will not try at all to recover your data, but you will get a replacement MacBook since it is probably still under warranty. Good Luck! Rick Harrison mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Wow, man, I am sorry to hear this. It reminded me once again of the necessity of keeping thiings backed up. I'm pretty meticulous about it but every once in a whlie I let it slide. Hope your woes can be solved soon. Dan On 1/15/07, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Hello. There are data recovery specialists that can take even a dead drive and extract the data off of it. Their services usually are aimed for corporations with hefty bankrolls, but you may be able to find someone who can do it within your budget. A google for Data Recovery will point you to a handful of these services. Some of them range from using specialized utility docks for the drive itself that interfaces with specific drive manufacturers and models while the extreme is the disassembly of the hard drive in a clean-room environment and reading the data off of the platters from another device. It's safe to say that this spectrum of simple to extreme is mirrored by cost, but there are options yet for your dead MacBook. A (very) brief exploration of services available indicates that the cost of recovery may be from $380 and up. If you have AppleCare (Or another insurance program), however, you may be in luck. I'm not too familiar with how much coverage AppleCare will give you, but it may cover data recovery in the event of defective hardware. Thanks, Brent Anderson CMSEC On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Hi Andre The same thing happened to my old ibook recently. I didn't get the noise but the S.M.A.R.T. status of the HD was failed. I was only able to retrieve the data by booting up a live cd of Ubuntu (PPC) followed the instructions below.. http://jclark.org/weblog/2005/05/24/ubuntumount/ Eventually the whole drive needed to be replaced because it wouldn't install either OSX or ubuntu. Good Luck! regards alex Andre Garzia wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... SNIP ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: lost everything, macbook and its HD broken.
Andre, Very, very sorry to hear about your dire circumstances. There are a few times when having to reprogram an app or two can be a good thing, but not the whole working environment. If you get back up and running, let me know. It is so easy for me to set up an area on my web host for file storage for you (login and pswd protected). There would be no cost and 5 or 6 g would be just fine. You should have said something to someone in the group, since many of us have drive space available on the net somewhere. I don't know anything about drive recovery, but perhaps someone out here does. Sometimes a college or university will have someone who can work magic, especially with all the computer labs in the world these days. Even better, they might try to do it for very low cost. Good luck and let me know. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 1/15/07 8:33 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, I was here coding some AJAX programs and developing libraries, my macbook just made a strange mechanical noise and then it was dead... when tried to boot, it made lots of mechanical noises and it never booted again. The noises are comming from the hard drive. I am assuming I lost everything. all my source code for the last year and everything I was working. I don't know what is broken... but I can't make it boot even from CDs... I don't know what I am to do now. I am writting from my old G4. I was doing some contract work and then it broke. The machine is now bricked. Can't boot from HD, Firewire, Network or CD, I've tried them all. The screen goes white, lot's of bad noises and the famous question mark of no system folder. I can't even erase the PRAM... never chimes. sorry for this annoucement but it will be a while till I set everything up again. Tomorrow I'll go to apple repair service but they are making a fool of me for more than three months already. I was waiting for a replacement main board for this same machine. Now it appears, I'll need a new machine. My backup machine was broken some months ago, I had no money to buy the parts to build it up again. The G4 had no space for hosting the macbooks backup. I think I just lost all my revolution source code which was maybe 5 or 6 gb worth of code. andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
