Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Hi Dennis The thing is under testing. After that i hope to spend yet some more time to compose a simpler documentation (which i already started)... Alas with just two hands, a full-time job and so little time around it, it's hard to make ends meet. Im doing my best and i noted your comment... I'll try to make it yet simpler ;) Devon looks like a nice copy of TAOO over a decade ago (but with nicer gui)... Competition gives me hope - proves my data model is right ;) I do already all they do and much more... Included multicolumn previews or editing, file browsing, agents, etc... My however is open source - not macOSX only and all was written in rev with no external's dependencies - fully portable anywhere. I also wrote my own photo album and more. When TAOO comes out, their product might be severly obsoleted ;) cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 00:23:19 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Xavier, Yes, I have visited your TAOO site several times. It sounds interesting, but it is beyond my simple understanding. It sounds like you are proposing something like DEVONthink Pro (which I use a lot), but I am not really sure. You propose to conquer the world of information usability, but are having a hard time explaining it to simple minds like mine. I hope Dan can help you explain it in a way so that I can understand how I could use it to solve my everyday needs --which are modest. I always have to turn complicated problems into simple ones for me to solve. This is all to magical and mysterious for me --I need concrete examples I can relate to. However, if you are saying that you have already created this simple idea of mine for beginners (like me) to index into the documentation in a way that I can learn the answers to my simple questions, without taking away time from the good folks on this list answering the hard questions, then please present your stack for all to benefit. I would certainly be grateful. Dennis On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: Any other thoughts about the utility of this or other ideas? Dennis Yes, one thought. Please take no offense! Again, this is not a rant... Just another repeat of a message i've been trying to carry through out first the hypercard then the metacard and finally the RUnrev community. Because what you said is how TAOO will present information to you - actually how it has for over a decade... Autonaming, auto hiliting, autoformating, auto correcting, auto remembering my settings, etc... That's interesting in terms of work flow isn't it? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
It's actually Tom, and thanks. I will check out the docs and give some feedback later. Tom On Jun 3, 2005, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, I fixed it temporarily with a zipped file. download directly from http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=64 Something must have gone wrong with the upload... thanks for the report cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 00:56:09 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Stack is corrupted error trying to open in REV. Tom On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
i was answering Ken's message - must have replied to the wrong message - did i? incredibly heavy week... sorry... sorry for the confusion On 03/06/2005 14:31:40 use-revolution-bounces wrote: It's actually Tom, and thanks. I will check out the docs and give some feedback later. Tom On Jun 3, 2005, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, I fixed it temporarily with a zipped file. download directly from http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=64 Something must have gone wrong with the upload... thanks for the report cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 00:56:09 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Stack is corrupted error trying to open in REV. Tom On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
i just shouldn't work today, i got it all upside down! ;) It was you after all. Apologies Tom... cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 14:31:40 use-revolution-bounces wrote: It's actually Tom, and thanks. I will check out the docs and give some feedback later. Tom On Jun 3, 2005, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken, I fixed it temporarily with a zipped file. download directly from http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=64 Something must have gone wrong with the upload... thanks for the report cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 00:56:09 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Stack is corrupted error trying to open in REV. Tom On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
After using the Properties of Objects (POO) stack a bit, it occurs to me that this might be an efficient way to organize an index into all the entries in the dictionary. I find it a lot easier to learn by doing than reading a novel first. However, it helps to have some hints about what you can do. For instance with the POO I can sort on an object type and have a nice alphabetical list of the properties I might be interested in exploring. This is a quick way into the dictionary that is theme based. I thought about: Messages sorted by the objects that initially receive them Operators sorted by Binary,Numeric,String,etc... Functions sorted by Binary,Numeric,String,etc... Constants sorted by Binary,Numeric,String,etc... Keywords sorted by ??? Command sorted by ??? Control Structures to few to sort Objects to few to sort I can envision a simple table like the POO with 8 tabs for the 8 categories and the rest of the operation is the same. It is an easy task to automatically generate the name lists for each category, but it takes reading each entry in the dictionary to manually place the X in the right columns. Unlike, the POO properties which was a completely automatic process. Unfortunately I don't have the time to take on this whole project right now (I am behind on my main project and I don't generate Transcript very quickly yet), but I wanted to at least put down my thoughts and ask for some feedback. And of course if anyone else wants to take up this project now, you will have my full support. I could see an extension made to the POO stack with the 8 tabs and a mode to enter the X into the tables by hand. Perhaps it could be a collaborative effort like the ClockFace. That was fun! Any other thoughts about the utility of this or other ideas? Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Any other thoughts about the utility of this or other ideas? Dennis Yes, one thought. Please take no offense! Again, this is not a rant... Just another repeat of a message i've been trying to carry through out first the hypercard then the metacard and finally the RUnrev community. Because what you said is how TAOO will present information to you - actually how it has for over a decade... Autonaming, auto hiliting, autoformating, auto correcting, auto remembering my settings, etc... That's interesting in terms of work flow isn't it? Rev wasn't interested in my ideas nor many others in the lists - a few were be never tagged along - wait and see - i probably would have done the same ;), despite the many examples which i littered over my website or in this maillist but so be it... I try again... So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 This is an autonomous taoo object application representing different views per objects. The keywords and objects do the respective linking to corresponding records in the database (or related databases - dabases = stacks or files or dbs) - there's also a possibility of auto and static link view with multi-format previews/editors and many more and more that can be embedded in with just a simple copy paste... Does that make sense? What does make sense since HyperCard is that this is the best way to information at your fingertips and the hallmark of hyperText navigation as i've used and reused and evolved and improved over 15 years... The GUI has been a secondary concern naturally... A working model a priority. Now, i have this and in an even more modular way than in HyperCard times - like a hyperwarp ;) I said autonomous because this application normally would not carry any GUI/control scripts at all... Just copy paste parts - avoid pasting scripts - too much maintenance later! There's a kernel behind it to which anyone could really contribute in favor of everyone - do i need to explain the implications? cheers Xavier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
MisterX wrote: Yes, one thought. Please take no offense! Again, this is not a rant... Just another repeat of a message i've been trying to carry through out first the hypercard then the metacard and finally the RUnrev community. Because what you said is how TAOO will present information to you - actually how it has for over a decade... Autonaming, auto hiliting, autoformating, auto correcting, auto remembering my settings, etc... That's interesting in terms of work flow isn't it? Yes. Where can we download shipping commercial applications using TAOO to see this in action? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Xavier, Yes, I have visited your TAOO site several times. It sounds interesting, but it is beyond my simple understanding. It sounds like you are proposing something like DEVONthink Pro (which I use a lot), but I am not really sure. You propose to conquer the world of information usability, but are having a hard time explaining it to simple minds like mine. I hope Dan can help you explain it in a way so that I can understand how I could use it to solve my everyday needs --which are modest. I always have to turn complicated problems into simple ones for me to solve. This is all to magical and mysterious for me --I need concrete examples I can relate to. However, if you are saying that you have already created this simple idea of mine for beginners (like me) to index into the documentation in a way that I can learn the answers to my simple questions, without taking away time from the good folks on this list answering the hard questions, then please present your stack for all to benefit. I would certainly be grateful. Dennis On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: Any other thoughts about the utility of this or other ideas? Dennis Yes, one thought. Please take no offense! Again, this is not a rant... Just another repeat of a message i've been trying to carry through out first the hypercard then the metacard and finally the RUnrev community. Because what you said is how TAOO will present information to you - actually how it has for over a decade... Autonaming, auto hiliting, autoformating, auto correcting, auto remembering my settings, etc... That's interesting in terms of work flow isn't it? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Stack is corrupted error trying to open in REV. Tom On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Yes. Where can we download shipping commercial applications using TAOO to see this in action? Hi Richard, The main TAOO is currently under testing! As you might have noticed, i've been releasing it piece by piece. But: 1) rev doesn't like PHPNuke urls - without this, i cant track easily the web statistics. 2) without documentation, it may not be so interesting. Im working on a solution for both... Auto-net loading and updated... I wouldn't want you to complain if you got your hands on it! I have zero support resources so im being proactive. Anyway TAOO is working - that's not been a problem in the past 15 years - but im not sure you would like to see it without a cool gui - the TAOO documentation did't generate any comments though - other than documentation content being confusing. And that's where im stuck. It took a while to overcome IDE limitations to make it nice looking which is now ready (and for both MC and RunRev) - it works even without decorations and YES, draggeable and resizable stacks... Switcheable themes too (ready very very soon). I have yet to redo the object model - i redid it last year so it could be decoupled from the libraries and avoid a large library download - see any non-plugin non-graphic stack in monsieurX... Now, im redesigning it so it no longuer is restricted to specific name-spaces. Then the whole TAOO libraries will be released commercially and as a free education-ware. However what was requested in the thread was something which is available for quite a while on MonsieurX! Would a little test drive entice you Richard? cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Property Table Type Doc Index for all entries
Hi Ken, I fixed it temporarily with a zipped file. download directly from http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=64 Something must have gone wrong with the upload... thanks for the report cheers Xavier On 03/06/2005 00:56:09 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Stack is corrupted error trying to open in REV. Tom On Jun 2, 2005, at 5:23 PM, MisterX wrote: So here's an example of a typical TAOO ebook that's actually the taoo documentation: http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=166 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
