Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.comwrote: What is the base fear or desire the iphad satisfies? Surely apple won't always own the only product that will meet that need. Again you've hit the nail on the head. There is no base fear or desire that the iPad satisfies. Apple has never had the only product around, in fact far from it; there were PCs before the Mac, really cheap PCs before the iMac, mp3 players before the iPod, mobile phones before the iPhone, and tablet PCs before the iPad. Jobs just has an uncanny, some think unnatural, ability to persuade enough people (not everyone, not even the majority, in some cases a piddling insignificant percentage) that they need to open their wallet and outlay a premium on a device they don't need, that has functionality they didn't realise they couldn't live without. The ranking success of a company, the effectiveness of an entrepreneur, isn't measured by how stupid the consumer is, it's by how black the balance sheet is. Could Jobs make a mistake that could take Apple in to the red? Oh, absolutely. Within 1 quarter? Definitely. Could he turn all Howard Hughes? On the cards. Is he obnoxious? Undoudtedly. But IMO this current turmoil will not decline Apple's quarterly revenue, much less have a long term effect on their profitability. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Kay, The part you are missing in all of this is who Jon Stewart is and what he represents. He is seen by many as the single most powerful Progressive voice in the media. His calling out of Apple and Jobs in particular, has huge ramifications, of which I am sure concerns many inside Apple. Jon trades in the same hipness currency as Apple, GadgetBlog Writers and Privacy Advocates. Clearly you see Steve Jobs as a rock-star. We all need our heroes, and it's understandable. Many Apple users are enamored with Steve. He is truly a remarkable marketer and a one of a kind individual. Still, that does not make him infallible. He's had big wins, and big losses. Certainly no one could say NeXT was much of a win, nor was his refusal to create an 'Open Mac II' which cost him his first CEO job at Apple. iPods and iTunes were huge, as was OS X. PowerPC started big, but fizzled down the stretch. Certainly there are many here who believe him disingenuous when he said Hypercard wasn't dead-- then killed it. You're concerned Jon Stewart may be jealous. Actually, the message of the video is quite the opposite. Stewart comes out and says what a big Apple fan he is, and has been. He even says he's taking a big risk calling Jobs out because he knows how much his fanbase loves Apple. And that is why you don't understand at the end of the video where he still admits to wanting Apple products. Because he doesn't hate Apple. In fact, he really LIKES Apple. The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, Appholes, clearly shows there IS a problem. On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the next Apple product. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Le 4 mai 2010 à 08:06, Kay C Lan a écrit : Jobs just has an uncanny, some think unnatural, ability to persuade enough people (not everyone, not even the majority, in some cases a piddling insignificant percentage) that they need to open their wallet and outlay a premium on a device they don't need, that has functionality they didn't realise they couldn't live without. I understand, I'm an idiot. Maybe, because when you're a fool you are often the last to realize. I had many Macintosh since 1984. I became interested in computers for professional use in 1979 and before 1984 I had seen anything very conclusive. I still, since then earned my living in part by the Macintosh. Sorry for the fans of Windows but the sight of a Windows gives me hives.Am I a morbid aesthetic? At the exit of SuperPaint I had with ResEdit, edit icon (awful to my taste) of the palette to use it. Some may find this complete idiot but I am attached to the form, which often (not always) is an expression of the substance. For the application on which I work I spent several days (I'm slow, no doubt) to create a mini and a small slider which unfortunately do not exist in RunRev. I am currently working to create many interface elements Macintosh missing (the list is long, I've made) to integrate with RunRev (my first contribution, Spinning Wheel is available online from Rev). I am interested in the adventure of the Macintosh is not a race to the consumer (having the last computer with the latest processor, the latest hard disk, etc..) Is the style! Perhaps it is because I am also an admirer of Gustave Flaubert who is both one of the greatest designers of the literature and a destroyer of human stupidity. Like him, I see no contradiction. I would add that for Gilles Deleuze's philosophy and style are two bulwarks against stupidity. Remember English is not my language (dont be too severe with it)... Bon souvenir de Paris [ville Ô combien remplie de chose inutiles...] [Oh how city filled with something useless this may be the reason why France is the first Macintosh market after de U.S ?!] René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Ok, maybe the ipad path is a virtual machine that runs rev stacks that are encapsulated within an apple compliment shell? Rev could distribute an ipad runner app and or a wrapper app that sucks stacks into the iphad RevWrapper (with or without runner included). Is there such a thing as app assigned document in the iphad gestalt? -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Really, there is no use of flash in the rev source or output? At all? Where did I get that idea? How are rev stacks exported as executables on the iphone ipad platform? If they are converted at some point to C source then it would be entirely possible to set up a publication service that allows rev users to submit stacks formatted for the iphad (conformed byte code) and shoot them through the apple blessed IDE / compiler. No? Am I smoking something? Seems do-able. Randall -Original Message- From: Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:05 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: I understand, I'm an idiot. Maybe, because when you're a fool you are often the last to realize. I had many Macintosh since 1984. No you're not, but then again maybe we both are. I too have owned many Macs, but only since '87, but all my brothers tell me I'm a fool ;-) I was speaking more generally, that IMO, the vast majority of current iPhone, iPad buyers do not do it because they've assessed their needs and looked at all the options and weighed the pro's and con's, but simply buy them because they 'are in', 'cool', 'hip', that's why they refer to it as an iPhad - a pun on the word fad, meaning - like yoyo fad, or a rubic's cube fad. Personally I don't think there are any fools on this List. The fact that they've arrived at this List suggest they've plowed through very many options, appreciate that there is more than one operating system out there, weighed the pro's and con's, and have concluded Rev is worthy tool for their toolbox. If they are fools, then so am I ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Kay, It sounds like the part you are missing in all of this is who Jon Stewart is and what he represents. He is seen by many as the single most powerful Progressive voice in the media. His calling out of Apple and Jobs in particular, has huge ramifications, of which I am sure concerns many inside Apple. Jon trades in the same hipness currency as Apple and BMW's. You seem to confuse Jobs with a rock star, which is understandable. Many faithful Apple followers are so enamored. The fact is, he's a man. He makes big mistakes, and has huge wins. NeXT was a mistake, so was not wanting to create a Mac II. And most here think he was ingenuous when he lied about and and eventually killed Hypercard. iPods were a huge win as was MacOS X. PowerPC, while starting on an up note, ended up not so hot. The list goes on. The guy is, without a doubt, a marketing genius. Still doesn't make him infallible. Just because someone like Stewart calls him out, doesn't mean he's jealous. Far from it. Jon points out how big a fan he is and has been of Apple, but also points out some of the errors Apple is making these days. In fact at the end of the segment, even Jon recognizes how this might roll with his audience saying something about it being easier on his fans to show pictures of Muhammed in a bikini versus talk bad about Jobs. So, clearly he's a Steve Jobs fan. The whole point of this is, if someone like Jon Stewart calls Apple, Appholes, then things must be pretty bad. On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the next Apple product. All I can conclude is, if one with such a wholly justifiable aversion to Steve's latest antics will still so obviously go on buying Apple products, then how much more so the sheep-like general consumer. [yourname here] + Apple + Flash, I should have asked, if you had $1M to invest right now, and could only invest in Apple or Adobe, who would you pick? PS Apple just announced it has sold 1 million iPads in 28 days PPS It took Apple almost 3 months to sell 1 million iPhones PPS Apple announces best non-holiday quarter ever, with revenues up 49 percent and profits up 90 percent PPPS Adobe stock dropped 2% after Steve Jobs' Thoughts on Flash S Adobe drop iPhone as corporate phone PS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not support Flash [movies] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, Appholes, clearly shows there IS a problem. Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? Regards, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Le 4 mai 2010 à 10:27, Kay C Lan a écrit : that's why they refer to it as an iPhad - a pun on the word fad, meaning - like yoyo fad, or a rubic's cube fad. Thank you for this explanation, because I was a little lost with this non-translatable word ! (I believe that was a type or spelling mistake !) If they are fools, then so am I ;-) Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: The whole point of this is, if someone like Jon Stewart calls Apple, Appholes, then things must be pretty bad. Wow, stereophonic reply. Certainly had me scratching my head there for a sec. Thanks for the pointer on Jon Stewart, personally had no clue who he was. Your comments on 'trades in the same hipness currency' is extremely valid. If anything will hurt Apple, certainly their hipness rating going down will effect the bottom line. Unfortunately there are at least two ways for hipness rating to go down. First is to become the in joke. The second is to make mediocre products. The first will be short lived if you continue to make 1st class products as discerning consumer will continue to recognise the product for what it is; the joke will fade. The second is inescapable if you continue to make mediocre products. Maybe I do consider Steve a rock star, because I generally like the music he plays ;-) But you are right, he's produced some flops. I've stated already that I'd have thought there would have been a more middle ground solution, but then I don't know all the facts - none of us do. I do know that I like the level of perfection Steve requires of his products. If, through bureaucratic intervention, Steve is forced to allow mediocrity, then regardless of what Jon Steward might joke about, the hipness factor will be permanently effected. I'd much rather see this resolved my market forces, rather than bureaucratic intervention, and I fully accept that Jon Stewart is part of market forces. I guess I don't understand why people feel that they should be free to dictate how Steve Jobs runs his company, yet Steve isn't free to dictate what standards are to be met to make the grade. PS. I do appreciate that it is extremely unlikely that Apple will be forced to pass every App ever submitted, no matter how stick man, kill barney, it might be. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Are things changing ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Precision : read this in the article : Apple could try to head off trouble with antitrust enforcers by changing the terms of its developer agreement, one person familiar with the situation said. Le 4 mai 2010 à 11:17, René Micout a écrit : Are things changing ? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703612804575222553091495816.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hpp_LEFTTopWhatNews René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Le 4 mai 2010 à 11:41, Kay C Lan a écrit : On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Sorry for the double post. I tried first posting on my iPad, but the gMail client is still pretty flaky, and for some unknown reason, the Use-List keep rejecting any posts from the iPad's mail client. Steve's still got a few things to work out on this iPad. I ended up finally going downstairs and posting on my PC. On Tuesday, May 4, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, stereophonic reply. Certainly had me scratching my head there for a sec. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Definitively incomparable : IT IS TRUE !! How can one not be fetish after that ? The serial number of my first Mac 128 K is F5Ø128RM0001WP : The first number of my initials series... Le 4 mai 2010 à 11:41, Kay C Lan a écrit : On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Sarah Reichelt wrote: The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, Appholes, clearly shows there IS a problem. Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? Maybe I'm too much of a Daily Show fan, but I didn't get that from the piece. It seemed to me he wasn't so much saying Gizmodo was right as he was questioning the need for the strongest possible response to it. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
No you're not. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 4, 2010, at 3:28 AM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote: The point of it all, is for someone like Jon to call Apple, Appholes, clearly shows there IS a problem. Am I the only one who has a problem with Jon Stewart tacitly condoning theft? Regards, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. On 4 May 2010 02:53, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Definitively incomparable : IT IS TRUE !! How can one not be fetish after that ? The serial number of my first Mac 128 K is F5Ø128RM0001WP : The first number of my initials series... Le 4 mai 2010 à 11:41, Kay C Lan a écrit : On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Perhaps I am a morbid aesthetic and perhaps a morbid fetish I have my first 128 K Macintosh (1984) on a shelf above my new iMac (2009) !! ;-) I'm definitely jealous. Mine was a 512K Enhanced. Long since given away. But each month I get to revel in OS 7.6.1 when I crank up the old Centris 650 + Laserwriter Select 300. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I have also a SE30, II FX and all my portables (Mac Portable, PB170, PB9400, PB G3 (black), PB Titanium, PB G4 12) All the others have been recycled... snif... :-( I only keep the Mac on which I worked Le 4 mai 2010 à 18:35, stephen barncard a écrit : I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I have a client that sometimes works for lawyers as an expert witness doing economic loss analysis. I think he charges $300 an hour. And he does all his calculations on a 1985 SE/30 running Excel 2.0. I put its second hard drive in about 5 years ago and recently swapped out the motherboard as it was starting to act a little flaky. Not bad for a 25 year old computer. Marty Knapp I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Marty, ironic profession and specialty for your client to have given the context of this thread (more like a rug than a thread)! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 4, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Marty Knapp martykn...@comcast.net wrote: I have a client that sometimes works for lawyers as an expert witness doing economic loss analysis. I think he charges $300 an hour. And he does all his calculations on a 1985 SE/30 running Excel 2.0. I put its second hard drive in about 5 years ago and recently swapped out the motherboard as it was starting to act a little flaky. Not bad for a 25 year old computer. Marty Knapp I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 04/05/2010 19:44, René Micout wrote: I have also a SE30, II FX and all my portables (Mac Portable, PB170, PB9400, PB G3 (black), PB Titanium, PB G4 12) All the others have been recycled... snif... :-( I only keep the Mac on which I worked Le 4 mai 2010 à 18:35, stephen barncard a écrit : I still have my working SE-30, which still has big screen capability, 10Base-T Ethernet, and an accelerator. Last use was to be an SMTP and FTP server - worked well. I'm keeping that unit, but am giving my other Mac history items away - any luddites in SF call me before they become e-waste. I have an 9600, 8100, and 7100, a cube, and an iMac. Most of my computers are stored in the attic of my house in Scotland, so I only get to see them about every 2 years; however it is always a pleasure to find that my 5260CD is still quite a good machine for basic WP and internet stuff when I am over there and using dial-up via modem for a couple of weeks. I can see no reason to get rid of them; love working with RunRev 1.1.1 on system 8.1; makes me realise how far we have all come since then; yet, in some respects, the whole experience was a lot cleaner then. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is
supposed to do?
Randall
On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
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On May 2, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
Randall,
Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name
to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a
simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have
no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and
juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came
your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your
linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd
recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four.
Mark
On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and
purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church?
-Original Message-
From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share your
vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples.
Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a
certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And
don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to
think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers.
Mark
On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes,
imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity
handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting
down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really
is what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is
it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or the
fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the energy
or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses, what
drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this something
that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a slide show?
aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations our imaginations
place upon the future as a result of historical experience? The real
question becomes, what do you want out of life?
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 05/04/2010 at 03:23 PM, Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote:
Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is
supposed to do?
Randall
On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
[...]
NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0];
while(!madeNewPath) {
imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString
stringWithFormat:@WhatThe%i.jpg,x]];
if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else
madeNewPath = TRUE;
}
[...]
restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData
dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]];
It is message sent back from the future. Once you execute it, it will learn
what you want and will just do it. ;)
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
It's an example of what you'll need to know if you want to program for
the iPad and iPhone if SJ has his way.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:
On 05/04/2010 at 03:23 PM, Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote:
Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is
supposed to do?
Randall
On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
[...]
NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0];
while(!madeNewPath) {
imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString
stringWithFormat:@WhatThe%i.jpg,x]];
if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else
madeNewPath = TRUE;
}
[...]
restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData
dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]];
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Sorry, wrong list.
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On May 4, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:
Thomas McGrath sent the following to me. Anyone know what it means or is
supposed to do?
Randall
On May 2, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
[...]
NSString *documentsDirectory = [paths objectAtIndex:0];
while(!madeNewPath) {
imgPath = [documentsDirectory stringByAppendingPathComponent:[NSString
stringWithFormat:@WhatThe%i.jpg,x]];
if([[NSFileManager defaultManager] fileExistsAtPath:imgPath]) x++; else
madeNewPath = TRUE;
}
[...]
restoredImg = [UIImage imageWithData:[NSData
dataWithContentsOfFile:imgPath]];
On May 2, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:
Randall,
Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name
to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a
simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have
no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and
juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came
your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your
linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd
recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a
two-by-four.
Mark
On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and
purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church?
-Original Message-
From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I can answer the question of your vision myself? I asked you to share
your vision, in simplest terms, without ambiguity, through a few examples.
Instead you answer with more obfuscation. I can only think, after a
certain point, that you don't really have a vision what you're after. And
don't say I didn't ask or that I'm in need of a teacher to tell me what to
think or how to behave. SImple questions deserve simple answers.
Mark
On May 2, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
You can answer that question your self easly enough. Close your eyes,
imagine evolution doing what evolution does. Where will complexity
handling systems be in 10, 20, 100 years? The whole notion of sitting
down at a computer is hopelessly old-school. The better question really
is what is it that systems want? Any systems. Humans are a system. Is
it the shovel we are after, or is it the ditch, is it water we want or
the fruit it grows, is it the fruit or the energy we receive, is it the
energy or is it the use we put that energy towards, what are these uses,
what drives us towards them, where is it all headed? Is any of this
something that is best embodied in a spread sheet or a web page or a
slide show? aren't these notions simply the result of the limitations
our imaginations place upon the future as a result of historical
experience? The real question becomes, what do you want out of life?
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Dear all, i think it is all said. Please stop this annoying discussion. This list is called use-revolution, so maybe we can come back to this again. Thank you! Matthias Am 03.05.2010 um 07:23 schrieb Randall Lee Reetz: Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 03/05/2010 05:17, Mark Swindell wrote: Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark Very well said. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I guess if a person is sufficiently ignorant or has their fingers in their ears and screams, any honest answer will slip by un recognized. Would you like it better if I said the future of computing is better touch up tools in photo editors? In the nixon administration your rhetorical technique was called rat f___ing and was used as you are to thwart opponents who would win legitimate and fair debates or elections. Tell me your great vision of computation or at the very least why you are so threatened by me. -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:23 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Are you closer to understanding entropy and the evolution of complexity now? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:17 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Randall, Like most people, I'm neither Galileo nor the Church. I sign my real name to my posts, and I asked you a real question hoping for a real answer... a simple, honest question about your vision for computing, to which you have no answer, only more masturbatory rhetoric, and the same name calling and juvenile inferences that only a few posts ago you so decried when it came your way. So, unless you wish to become honest and stop hiding inside your linguistic psychedelics, I give up. I'm not sure at this point that you'd recognize truth or honesty if it hit you upside the head with a two-by-four. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Sad. Truth matters in all affairs. Good people can see through lies and purposeful deceit. History will judge. Are you galileo or the church? -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:45 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Wow! well said Kay... commonsense is back in town. On 03/05/2010, at 6:34 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Livermore - Senior Project Manager www.kipmedia.com Mobile 0403 288 504 cont...@kipmedia.com __ B.Sc., Dip.Biol.Sc., Dip.Prof.Comm (multimedia). - Scientific/Medical - multimedia education training - online databases, websites, cd, dvd, video __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO René___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hello Kurt, Beautiful realisation ! René Le 3 mai 2010 à 14:14, Kurt Kaufman a écrit : I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3gNR=1feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of heavy hype in action...___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 03/05/2010 16:32, René Micout wrote: Is this true ? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO René I said there would be a backlash; but I didn't think it would take this form. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Kurt Kaufman kkauf...@snet.net wrote: I think that the combination of portability/touchscreen opens up a few new tricks; an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiEqf5wb3gNR=1feature=fvwp It seems to me that Apple has its own versions of technologies that accept a greater variety of user inputs, perhaps mitigating the need for Flash. As others have mentioned, we also see here a prime example of heavy hype in action...___ That's quite amazing! Thanks for sharing it with us. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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René Micout wrote: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/an_antitrust_app_buvCWcJdjFoLD5vBSkguGO From tech blogger Hank Williams, on April 9: Trying to control where something is originally done is attempting to control the thought process that yields a given result. Because if you thought of it in Java, and wrote it in java, and then, whether by hand or by tool, converted it to C, you are now outside the bounds of 3.3.1. Some may say my interpretation is too pedantic. But the point is that in order for Apple to limit people in the way that they want to, i.e. to prevent the use of a given tool, they are inflicting collateral damage. I do not think there is a way to achieve their goal without such ridiculous restrictions. I have not done my legal homework here, but this seems to be a clear example of restraint of trade, a basic tenet of contract law. Kinda ironic that Apple launched the Mac with a 1984-themed ad, and now are willing to pursue criminal penalties for anyone who commits coder thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. But this list is about Revolution. This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. More on this in the coming week. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and
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Wow. You have a knack for pre-shaping a question to extract the exact result you are seeking, and then way way way over reading the complete lack of participation in your stacked survey to mean that the list agrees with your pre-spun conclusion. Your survey was set up as a trap and everyone who read it knew it, thus your zero response participation. Too bad the soviet union doesn't exist any more, they could use a pollster like you. Even had you asked the dangerous question, Can god make mistakes? I think you would have had some data submitted. The frustration most of us are feeling in our guts has only been inflamed by this latest apple announcement. The frustration is the obvious and steady slipping away from general purpose computing as it is replaced by a media consumption and gaming platform in the form of a slick appliance. For all of its touchy input fluidity, we know it isn't designed for creativity of engineering. Nobody is using an ipad or iphone to develop ipad or iphone apps or operating systems. I worry, as I am sure others do, that apple's market supported emphasis on consumption centered devices means a general drifting away from the go it your own freedom and power a good general purpose computer allows. No one could have designed the ipad on an ipad. Would never have happened. The trend seems to point to a future for apple that looks more like General Electric. A place to buy pre-built stuff more than a place to buy tools with which to invent the future. Am I missing something, will tools be written for multi-touch environments such that we all willingly and happily walk away from our keyboards and pixel perfect pointing devices? Or is the growing dread a worthy indicator that something big is shifting and that it will be harder and harder to find open ended creativity machinery? I think of the user-programmer revolution that smalltalk and hypercard made possible and how much more powerful the macintosh felt as a result. And despite the gold rush motivations we might feel when we read of a kid in iowa who made a million dollars in a month selling a little app, we wonder if apple is making so much money on this consumption machine model that they will completely abandon those of us who think computing is about creativity and open ended creativity at that. I want to see teens on the train building stuff not slaying fake dragons or scheming an encounter with a facebook friend's facebook friend. I want that the open-ended creative option available to every teen, not just the hyper smart hyper nerdy. Is it slipping away? As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. But unchecked, that greed seeking is only made more insidious by the amazingly designed products they release to us. Is the ipad so slick to use that we forget our need to create? Are those of us on the development end so motivated by many that we forget our obligation to the future of society? Microsoft released a video demo of a hinged two screened touch slate. For all of its clumsy interface (they are trying) it excites me none the less simply because I can imagine actually getting something done on the thing, building stuff. Not FOR it, but ON it... -Original Message- From: Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. [The entire original message is not included] ___ use
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While, there is certainly nothing wrong with deifying Stevie for yourself, please don't expect us to follow your self serving logic. Fact is, Steve's already got himself in some hot water over his recent draconian practices: (scroll to 1:20 and watch from there.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata On Monday, May 3, 2010, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a couple of hours and come back to exactly what I expected. Not a single List member nominated another List member as being more capable of running Apple than Steve Jobs. And not for want of campaigning. Some very spirited and some rather long posts clearly trying to persuade the masses to vote their way, but in the end not a single mind was changed, not a single prejudice altered - although I much enjoyed the Electrical Engineers manifesto ;-) So what it all boils down to is, some of us think Steve is wrong, and some of us think that Steve is right, but regardless of whether he's right or wrong, ALL of us know, deep down inside, no matter how much it pains us, that Steve + Apple - Flash will make a whole heap more money than [your name here] + Apple + Flash. And everyone on the List agrees ;-) And the sediment left in the bottom is actually the pile of all our own prejudices, failings, misgivings, inadequacies, lack of vision and lack of confidence. I, and I know others on this List, don't see the point of an iPad. If I were running Apple it would be an unmitigated failure because I have no confidence in the product, no vision on what it could do, no talent on how to market it, and no drive to see it through. It wouldn't matter if I listened to everyone on this List and added all the bells and whistles it's critics are complaining about. It would be a failure. But in Steve's hands I know it will be a success. I've been blown away by what some people have dreamt up for the thing. After seeing this: Alice In Wonderland - iPad eBook http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFmtQWrYNg If I had grandchildren, I'd buy one for them, not question. My wife will undoubtedly buy one, regardless of my 'what for???' protests. And if I somehow manage to get out of paying for it, she'll persuade her work to buy a couple. Some think that the Flash decision is wrong, but really all they are reflecting is the fact that they themselves couldn't make it work because of all their own sediment. Whether it's right or wrong isn't anywhere near as important as whether Steve can continue to make money without Flash, and I, and I'm sure most on this List, deep down, believe he can. Steve knows the market, knows how to spin things, knows where he's headed, knows the steps to get there, knows what life is like with Flash, and has a good handle on what life will be like without Flash, and it is he who has chosen the time to pull the plug. The Future will shortly be History repeating itself. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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JerryD wrote: tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. What a tease! Looking forward to it. Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata Here's the good quality version for US viewers: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Jerry, Guess there's not much I agree with you on this one. I suspect if you ask Richard Gaskin or other developers if their customers really care if their program is Carbon or Cocoa you'll just get a blank stare-- but I'm sure they all agree it works great for them. And Richard has an excellent article on why cross platform dev environments actually HELP Apple at: http://www.revjournal.com/blog.irv So, I would contend Apple shouldn't care what tools developers use to write for the Mac. But, if I'm wrong and you're right, then we all should start learning Xcode right now, because it's only a matter of time before Apple shuts itself off to any other development platform. No more the computer for the rest of us. And you say, So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Wow, where to start? Certainly you aren't saying evil unabated by some regulation isn't evil? I hope not. Even so, there are strong rumors that Don Corleone does exist in the form of our own Justice department: http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/05/03/daily18.html On Monday, May 3, 2010, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: I actually believe Apple HOPED the iPad and their overall initiative to reinvent computing would be a huge success. But I think they had concerns regarding how quickly it would sell beyond the Apple faithful...especially the reinvent computing part. Apple initially under-built the iPad in terms of units produced. That's why I say that. But this list is about Revolution. This post is about the Apple mobile platform lock-down as it affects Rev developers. If were Apple, I would have difficulty viewing Revolution as a good partner with whom to reinvent computing. Rev for the Mac does not take advantage of Cocoa and DOES seek to common-denominate. Rev may have plans to change all that with a new IDE, etc, but the field object is still incapable of independently aligned, chunk-addressable columns in spite of user demand and outrage for years. So color me skeptical and Apple even more so as regards Rev keeping up with the times. On the other hand, Revolution may regard Apple as a bad business partner for changing the rules after Rev created a splendid revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Rev may have had it with Apple. I can understand that. So...is the Apple lock-down just? For justice we must go to Don Corleone, and he does not exist. So time to forget that and the karma you think Apple deserves for being evil. Is the lock-down for Apple mobile devices for real? Yes. Will the lock-down spread to OS X? Nominally, no. In reality, YES. The MacBook Touch (or whatever it's called) will run a locked-down variant of iPad OS. It just won't have the OS X moniker. Will Revolution have to embrace the Apple approach in order to follow it? Yes. Moments like this one present huge opportunity for a small, nimble, and creative company. There's a new wind blowing and Rev has the sails (engineering) to catch it. The sails just need re-rigging. The wind (market momentum) is there. Will they re-rig? Of this i can be certain: I will be sailing in those new waters with those new winds beneath my sails (and sales). I love developing and inventing tools. I love making money while I do it. I will be doing both with or without Revolution as we know it today. Is the emerging Apple mobile market worth the re-tooling I will need to do? I believe so. It has tremendous momentum. For a small company, latching onto a small growing market is the way to go. Also, I have to consider my own experience as an iPad user. Using an iPad makes using my MacBook Pro feel almost anachronistic. I reach for the screen, wait for words to spell themselves, but my Mac just sits there. Using Windows OS at this point seems, I hate to say it...clunky. I would never have said this before, and I say this to foreshadow, not to derogate. What new development tools will I be creating for myself and others in the coming weeks and months to exploit the Apple mobile platform momentum? I have been testing several concepts, and based on the proofs, have my sights set on some pretty exciting stuff. New approaches that will still seem familiar. I cannot say a whole lot more than that, right now. But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. More on this in the coming week. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 3, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, been gone for a
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 2 May 2010 21:24, Randall Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: Is this the topic? Really? All you can come up with? Nasty childish nitpicking? Yes emailing is dangerous while driving. I wrote that note at a gas station while filling my tank. I'd be careful replying to emails from a gas station in the middle of a flame-war ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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OK - I went out and bought a tRev license and wait expectantly. On 3 May 2010 16:28, Jerry Daniels jerry.dani...@me.com wrote: But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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But I can say this: If you want to get involved in single language development for Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever comes next, now would be a good time to get tRev, a Mac and an iPad if you don't already have them. tRev Mac users will get first access to these new tools to which I now only allude. That's really nice for others, but what I want to get involved in is single language development for Linux, and maybe Windows too. Not Mac, not iPhone, not iPad. Now that is what the promise of Rev was, develop on Linux, and if you want, compile for Windows too, but I think it may face choices that mean it can't be both that, and single language development for Apple stuff along the lines you speak of, at the same time. We are coming to a fork in the road. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2124595.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Computers that process meaning won't work all day to make the world a better place any more or less than we (or anything else) do. But systems that know about the things they process have a substantial leg up on systems that don't. This isn't a complex concept. The execution of the design of such a system or its starting point is on the other hand very complex. If you are demanding that I show you how to build a moon rocket out of farm equipment before you will talk about going into space, then sorry buddy, you are simply and obviously only interested in avoiding the topic and or slandering my person. -Original Message- From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:11 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Maybe, but I suspect Randall has some ideas that I'd really like to hear about. For the life of me, I have a hard time deciphering what they are. But I'd like to hear about them, in simplest terms, without ambiguity. Mark On May 2, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Michael Kann wrote: As I read what Randall proposes, you won't sit down at a computer. The computer will have enough knowledge of the world to work full-time making the world a better place. Every so often it will sit down with a human to explain what it has discovered and what the human can do to help. --- On Sun, 5/2/10, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: From: Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Sunday, May 2, 2010, 5:58 PM Randall, What do you want to see software do? Please be [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? -Original Message- From: Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata Here's the good quality version for US viewers: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-28-2010/appholes ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Jsa7su-jIfeature=youtube_gdata Thanks Chipp for the link, and excellent video which I think nicely sums up exactly what I've been trying to say, but my English seems incapable of doing. Whilst many may deify Michael Schumacher, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Lee Kwan Yew, Valentino Rossi, Lance Armstrong, Michael Phelps, Mozart, Leonardo da Vinci and even Bill Gates and Steve Jobs; there are also those who are deeply critical of them - most likely due to some deep-seeded jealousy. I on the other hand appreciate that they are just mere mortals, inescapably capable of making mistakes, errors and wrong choices. Do those errors, misjudgement or mistakes define a person and destine them to forever failure. Will Tiger Woods never win another Masters because of his numerous indescretions; I think not. I try to look at track record, and assess overall long-term performance. What that video confirmed to me, is no matter how much vitriol, hatred and disgust the presenter heaped upon Steve Jobs, no matter how logical or factual the arguments, no matter how enthusiastically the audience agreed with everything he said; for reasons I can not explain and certainly do not understand, in the dying seconds the presented admitted his lust for the next Apple product. All I can conclude is, if one with such a wholly justifiable aversion to Steve's latest antics will still so obviously go on buying Apple products, then how much more so the sheep-like general consumer. I thought I'd effectively communicated that this isn't really about right or wrong decisions by Steve Jobs, nor is it about whether you and all the other critics are, most likely, correct about this single decision. This is simply about what will the buying public do due to this decision. Maybe instead of asking who do you think will make more money Steve + Apple - Flash or [yourname here] + Apple + Flash, I should have asked, if you had $1M to invest right now, and could only invest in Apple or Adobe, who would you pick? It's sad that Capitalism has been beaten and pummelled, and so misunderstood. PS Apple just announced it has sold 1 million iPads in 28 days PPS It took Apple almost 3 months to sell 1 million iPhones PPS Apple announces best non-holiday quarter ever, with revenues up 49 percent and profits up 90 percent PPPS Adobe stock dropped 2% after Steve Jobs' Thoughts on Flash S Adobe drop iPhone as corporate phone PS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not support Flash [movies] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 4, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: PS Adobe stock takes further hit after Microsoft announce IE9 will not support Flash [movies] To correct this again, no version of any browser has ever supported Flash movies (meaning Sorenson Spark or On2 VP6 video). As Microsoft posted today, IE9 will continue to support plugins such as Flash and Silverlight, and the Flash plugin will continue to be able to play the older Flash video files. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. Ah thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Compared to anyone on this List, Jobs is much greater at finding the greed in consumers. Regardless of the mistakes he makes he makes along the way, the consumer will continue to vote with their wallet. You know it, I know it, and everyone on the List knows it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Perhaps you mean QuickTime. The only connection Rev ever had to Flash was through QT, which allowed basic playback of SWF files, but that was dropped around the release of v6 of QT. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Really, there is no use of flash in the rev source or output? At all? Where did I get that idea? How are rev stacks exported as executables on the iphone ipad platform? If they are converted at some point to C source then it would be entirely possible to set up a publication service that allows rev users to submit stacks formatted for the iphad (conformed byte code) and shoot them through the apple blessed IDE / compiler. No? Am I smoking something? Seems do-able. Randall -Original Message- From: Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 9:50 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On May 4, 2010, at 12:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: I always thought it was smart that rev tied into flash. Allowed a path onto the web. Xtalk and flash share some deep object and widget similarities. But I am a bit confused as to how rev and flash are integrated. Anyone point me to a doc or web page or tube video that explains rev's flash integration? Can you point to the message here that talked about Flash and Rev being integrated? The only connection between the two that I know of is that they are both victims of Apple changing the iPhone SDK agreement. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes, but greed has many faces. What people are greedy for is different than what they end up buying. This is do to the fact that the market never serves up the perfect product. People can only express their greed for products that exist. The one that most closely satisfies the deep inner needs of humans is the one that wins in the marketplace. People will pay 30k every 6 years for freedom over geographic distance (a car). 400k for freedom over atmospheric discomfort and public exposure (a house). What is the base fear or desire the iphad satisfies? Surely apple won't always own the only product that will meet that need. -Original Message- From: Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:00 PM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: As for jobs. He is great at finding the greed in consumers. Ah thank you, thats what I was trying to say. Compared to anyone on this List, Jobs is much greater at finding the greed in consumers. Regardless of the mistakes he makes he makes along the way, the consumer will continue to vote with their wallet. You know it, I know it, and everyone on the List knows it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Le 2 mai 2010 à 23:39, Randall Reetz a écrit : Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that understand the content they process. That is the promised second revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical light of day as of yet. Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked grammar that makes up any complex system. Such systems will need to work all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME! Only pausing momentarily to pay attention to our interactions as needed. Once they are running, these systems will subsume all of the manual activity we have been made to perform to this day. Think fly by wire for processing. Gone is the need to discreetly encode every single bit in exactly the only possible sequence. We simply wont be able to know what bits are being processed, who or what made them, and more importantly, we won't have to care. Clearly, the key way to 21st century's computing tasks. Thanks for this, Randall. Hope it will almost be read as an important contrib and gift... to common mind ;-) Best Regards, -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I don't buy it. I think that apple is frustrated that it can't build a vector based video description language without infringing on adobe's patents. I think that apple has tried unsuccessfully to engage adobe in a joint project or to buy the rights. I think microsoft has as well. This is a freezout. A hunger strike. Apple would never piss off its customers without an absolute need pressing them into this dangerous territory. Apple needs to break adobe's stubbornness. This is a last resort move which will give them and ms legal ammo in an antitrust battle should they have build their own patient busting protocol. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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The article explains, in somewhat emotional and overwrought terms, why Apple would want to there to be an alternative to the major programs people run on Macs, like MS Office and Photoshop. It still does not really explain why it rationally needs these alternatives to be developed in-house, but still. It also gives a conjectured motivation why Apple should feel that Adobe's IPR limits its ability to develop an in house alternative in the case of image processing. Yes, possibly so. It happens in business. When Apple imposes such restrictions its called 'protecting our IPRs'. What the article does not explain is Apple's apparent felt need to control what apps its users install on their devices, what content they access on their devices, or its apparent need to control what tools developers use. Its like most of the defenses of Apple's conduct: One, the arguments fail to defend the behaviors people find objectionable, two, if they were offered in favor of similar conduct by any other company, they'd be indignantly rejected. Fortunately however the implications of the lock-in and control mania are now hitting the MSM, so lets hope that Apple's free ride on these issues is coming to an end. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122605.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Without MacPaint we would have no Photoshop and Illustrator and so on ;-) Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Without Photoshop we would have no GIMP, Without Illustrator we would have no Inkscape, Without Microsoft Office we would have no Open Office, and so on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Even if I do not always understand the words of Randall, on the merits, I quite agree with what he says. Le 2 mai 2010 à 02:11, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code donkeys any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes, And this is for me, now, at microscopic scale, the same thing with RunRev. The difference is that I have not enough talent to master Objective C (and English also !!) ;-) Le 2 mai 2010 à 06:49, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. Mark Bernstein: Platform Control http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html (via Instapaper) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. Ian Randall Lee Reetz has already declared his antipathy towards Open Source software so many times that this was sure to be his response to my posting. In an OPEN world (hey, look, Richmond is also using that over-used-and-abused word) there should be room for 100% Open Source stuff and 100% proprietary stuff and all possible stuff in between. I belong to a broad church that admits all levels and types of beliefs (well, at least as far as software is concerned). Open Source offerings have now reached a certain level of maturity that means they can compete with and complement Commercial software; I think if GIMP and Photoshop want to play leapfrog with each other that is an extremely healthy situation. Frankly, as a lot of Open Source developers seem to use false names it would not entirely surprise me if some of the people who work on Photoshop don't work on GIMP in their spare time . . . :) We are all well aware that commercial companies are always 'stealing' ideas from each other; the fact that Open Source is involved in this and vice-versa should neither surprise or worry us. What should worry us is when somebody comes along and blocks the chance for that healthy sort of competition to take place. There should always be space for all sorts of types of software and types of marketing; monopolies, whether state controlled or company controlled are what we have to fear because that is when stagnation sets in. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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This is a good example of what Mr. Jobs called the lowest common denominator : a poor French without enough control in English, slows the debate ! Le 2 mai 2010 à 10:31, René Micout a écrit : Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thank you, once again, Richmond, to perfect my culture. Only ONE book of Ayn Rand is translate in French and his ideas have not much (at all) prospered here. Le 2 mai 2010 à 10:57, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision OK, a deconstruction. The writer considers (for reasons he does not make clear) that advocates of Open Source software are followers of the US novelist Ayn Rand. Rand was a curious figure who ran a small cult political movement at the end of the last century, called Objectivism, and wrote several awful novels. The writer thinks that Rand and her followers were anarchists. (I don't think they were). They are usually thought to be extremely right wing. The next phrase suggests that he thinks Open Source advocates are infantile. He says after school club. That is, they are morally at least still at a level of needing to be under parental and teacher control, and their participation in Open Source is analogous to an after school club activity, strictly juvenile. all white mall arcade nerds They are all white skinned 'nerds', that is people with no social skills and an obsession with technology. I am not sure what their color has to do with this, but still An arcade is a sort of enclosure, and a games arcade will have lots of game machines in it, and a mall is a shopping mall. So he suggests that open source advocates have spent their youth in shopping mall corridors playing video games on machines, and that this is the extent of their culture. Not only that, they are white, and followers of Ayn Rand, and anarchists with it! Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the thought is something I cannot help you with -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122649.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Peter, thank you for this explanation of text :-) Le 2 mai 2010 à 11:18, Peter Alcibiades a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision OK, a deconstruction. The writer considers (for reasons he does not make clear) that advocates of Open Source software are followers of the US novelist Ayn Rand. Rand was a curious figure who ran a small cult political movement at the end of the last century, called Objectivism, and wrote several awful novels. The writer thinks that Rand and her followers were anarchists. (I don't think they were). They are usually thought to be extremely right wing. The next phrase suggests that he thinks Open Source advocates are infantile. He says after school club. That is, they are morally at least still at a level of needing to be under parental and teacher control, and their participation in Open Source is analogous to an after school club activity, strictly juvenile. all white mall arcade nerds They are all white skinned 'nerds', that is people with no social skills and an obsession with technology. I am not sure what their color has to do with this, but still An arcade is a sort of enclosure, and a games arcade will have lots of game machines in it, and a mall is a shopping mall. So he suggests that open source advocates have spent their youth in shopping mall corridors playing video games on machines, and that this is the extent of their culture. Not only that, they are white, and followers of Ayn Rand, and anarchists with it! Well. I hope that helps you understand the English. Understanding the thought is something I cannot help you with -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2122649.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic enterprises consist of people. The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the sufferance of their tribesmen. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Nous sommes bien d'accord ! Kind Regards, Pierre Le 2 mai 2010 à 11:47, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic enterprises consist of people. The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the sufferance of their tribesmen. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I meant generalize and subsume (word hinting is a killer app). -Original Message- From: René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:34 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Even if I do not always understand the words of Randall, on the merits, I quite agree with what he says. Le 2 mai 2010 à 02:11, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code donkeys any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. ___ [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Richard, I am not anti open-source. But I have noticed trends in the category. What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Nobody seems to be stepping back far enough to take in the full scope of the field of computation and ask what is computation and where is it going in the long run? without asking such questions we are bound to spend another 60 years building slightly better word processors instead of asking what is it we are attempting to accomplish when we write? So many of the issues we find so important are simply historical contingencies. Where is the progress? Just because an open source program is free doesn't mean it is better or more evolved than the $300 app it apes. Also, it is simply ridiculous to think that the average person is prepared or willing to put up with the technical bush wacking required of open source users. If a solution doesn't scale, it really isn't a solution. Presenting your personal go-it-alone mountain-man solutions as universal advise is crazy or macho. Lets get real. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:53 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:26, Ian Wood wrote: On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5 (content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP. Ian Randall Lee Reetz has already declared his antipathy towards Open Source software so many times that this was sure to be his response to my posting. In an OPEN world (hey, look, Richmond is also using that over-used-and-abused word) there should be room for 100% Open Source stuff and 100% proprietary stuff and all possible stuff in between. I belong to a broad church that admits all levels and types of beliefs (well, at least as far as software is concerned). Open Source offerings have now reached a certain level of maturity that means they can compete with [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes, and there is a tendency in silicon valley for software engineers to never grow out of their inability to acknowledge exactly how statistically rare and strange are their views. When everyone you run into is exactly the same as yourself, there are no social control rods to keep your weird ideas from spinning out of reasonable scope. So few of the engineers I know can ask the big questions about the evolution of complexity handling machinery. And the scientists have long sence left computer science. That computation defines (despite any long range plan) more and more of the future means we are in trouble as a species. Big trouble. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. ___ use-revolution mailing list [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some examples of feature creep can be in their field. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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The ayn rand-ers believe that consumers know enough to guide the direction of technology by voting at the apple app store or on amazon. But consumers can only choose from the current selection. People have a hard time imagining that which they can't hold in their hands right now. It is up to visionaries to innovate. Despite public opinion. I've used my computer for 25 years and it still has no idea who I am. If I haven't hit a key or touched the mouse button, it just sits there completely stupid-like. The power of a supercomputer in the role of typewriter. Ridiculous. Where are the open source projects that are attempting to actually evolve computing beyond typing and spreadsheets and watching tv? If the xtalk community was commuted to making sure that it was as amazing each year as hypercard was 25 years ago, I wouldn't feel so defeated or act so crotchity. Programming IS what it used to be... What a drag. -Original Message- From: Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:39 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue Yes, and there is a tendency in silicon valley for software engineers to never grow out of their inability to acknowledge exactly how statistically rare and strange are their views. When everyone you run into is exactly the same as yourself, there are no social control rods to keep your weird ideas from spinning out of reasonable scope. So few of the engineers I know can ask the big questions about the evolution of complexity handling machinery. And the scientists have long sence left computer science. That computation defines (despite any long range plan) more and more of the future means we are in trouble as a species. Big trouble. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list [The entire original message is not included] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
(I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. Hmmm, and far too often one thinks of oneself as being just as good if not better than someone else, when everyone else knows that isn't the case. I've been biting my tongue, not responding to personal comments within this thread , just to outside links referred to, because simply put, this is like Apple vs Windows, God vs No God, Republican vs Democrat, everyone has already made up their mind, they'll voice their opinion and will blindly refuse to consider any other... except for one person on this list who I won't name. So, in the interest of not trying to appear to counter anyone's argument I will try to denigrate myself as much as possible. If you had $1,000,000 to wager, who would you bet against, me vs Michael Schumacher in a F1 race me vs Roger Federer in a Tennis Match me vs Tiger Woods in infidelity me vs Lee Kwan Yew in running a country me vs Valentino Rossi in a MotoGP me vs Lance Armstrong in a cycling race me vs Michael Phelps in a swim race me vs Mozart in writing a symphony me vs Leonardo da Vinci in painting a female portrait me vs Steve Jobs in running Apple? All your choices will be based on track record and the FACT that we are NOT EQUAL. That every single one of us is different and that for a very very few they are stand out extraordinary. This whole thread has been sidetracked into pointless discussion about the freedom to develop with this tool or that tool or use this format or that format and seems to bypass the freedom of Steve Jobs to run his company. So read that last challenge again, and read it exactly how it is written, and again decide who really is going to make more money with Apple. And just in case you are still deluded into believe that your comments are right, and therefore you would be better at running Apple than Steve is, I'm hereby asking all readers of this thread to put forward the name of that Poster who's arguments are so right that they believe they'd do a better job at running Apple than Steve - and you can't nominate yourself ;-) Personally, I'll sell all my Apple stock if tomorrow Steve steps down and hands over to any one of you ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or similar... Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! -Original Message- From: Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 3:57 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep. It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some examples of feature creep can be in their field. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Are you kidding? These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face recognition. But what has been done with it? Almost nothing. Is it available to rev programmers? Can it be generalized to learn any object? Does it get better as we all work with it? I can't wait for typewriter 10.8! -Original Message- From: Ian Wood revl...@azurevision.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:00 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or similar... Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 2 May 2010, at 12:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Are you kidding? No. These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face recognition. Why is facial recognition revolutionary, but content-aware fill, non- destructive/parametric adjustments etc. etc. *not* revolutionary? But what has been done with it? Almost nothing. What's 'almost nothing'? There are apps such as iPhoto which can auto- crop images to show just the faces, cameras which use facial recognition to choose where to focus or wait for the subject to smile to take the photo. At the moment you are just making yourself look ignorant. Is it available to rev programmers? As far as I know there are command-line apps around. Can it be generalized to learn any object? It's the other way around - facial recognition algorithms are mostly based on more general feature-recognition code (feature as in distinct areas of an image, not necessarily part of a face). Look up SIFT and similar stuff, it's what's revolutionised all kinds of panorama stitching and image alignment apps over the last 5-6 years. Does it get better as we all work with it? Yes, most software that includes facial recognition *only* works at a useable level by using user-confirmed results to improve the hit-rate. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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(2 can play at that one) (I removed the poster's name from this quote because my post is not directed at the person, but the idea that we are all equal) No; of course we are not all equal. BUT we are all dependent on other people; no man is an island. Therefore the image of workers being exploited by socking great companies may not be all that useful. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. Hmmm, and far too often one thinks of oneself as being just as good if not better than someone else, when everyone else knows that isn't the case. I am quite sure I could neither write a symphony or do what Steve Jobs does (luckily this doesn't make me feel that I have missed out on something), and in those respects Mozart and Jobs are better than me. What I am also aware of it that if parents of kids who attend my language school stop sending their kids; buying my product; the effect will be similar on a personal basis as if people stop buying Apple products on Jobs. So, however brilliant Jobs is at his work, and me at mine; if we don't keep the punters happy (whether they actually know anything about computers or EFL teaching or not) we are done for. Now I (like Jobs) offer a service, and if my client base don't like what I offer they can either bring pressure to bear to change or they can leave; therefore, while I know far more about teaching EFL than all the parents of the children I teach, I am, nevertheless, at their mercy. The problem, and it is a problem, is that people in some position of authority tend to forget how dependent on their clients they are, and clients forget that even though authority figures have acquired some sort of mysterious glow they are still essentially there to serve them. I sincerely hope that Jobs and the chap at Adobe are aware of how dependent they are just as much as I do. All it would take is for another respected authority figure (David Pogue ???) to rubbish the iPad and the shares would go into freefall. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 14:12, Ian Wood wrote: On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Revolutionary? A supercomputer that has been trained to know where to paste a postal code? Doing alan turing proud! Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-( His rarely do. I tend to wibble on; but you must at least allow that there is some method in my madness . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 14:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: snip These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The funny thing is that when I hear/see the word 'revisionist' it makes me think of Marxist critiques of Trotskyism and Holocaust deniers; neither of these meanings seem to line up with software applications. Another semantic shift perhaps; possibly only in Mr Reetz's private language ? Beam me up. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Equally difficult for this English-speaking American to understand. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:31 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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There is, however, a back door to THE PLATFORM. I think I have found a way, but I need to test it. If it has merit I will commercialize it. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 2, 2010, at 3:43 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: Yes, And this is for me, now, at microscopic scale, the same thing with RunRev. The difference is that I have not enough talent to master Objective C (and English also !!) ;-) Le 2 mai 2010 à 06:49, Jerry Daniels a écrit : Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. Mark Bernstein: Platform Control http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html (via Instapaper) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Wow. My feelings exactly. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 11:57:31 To: How to use Revolutionuse-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 11:31, René Micout wrote: Le 2 mai 2010 à 00:44, Randall Lee Reetz a écrit : It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. Very difficult for a french to understand that ! If English speaker dont speak English then Je m'exprimerai en français sur ce forum ! ;-)___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Ayn Rand was a Hungarian who became an American; she advocated an extremely crude form of anarcho-capitalism. Her books are 2-dimensional exercises in projecting her ideas that are extremely popular with the 20-30 set who have been through their left-wing phase and are now experiencing their backlash reaction. Once people realise how 2-dimensional her ideas are and how they fail to account (just as Marxism does) for the nature of humanity they move on; normally giving up adopting extreme political postures. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness today. Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or similar... There are a lot of older applications that do not follow modern guidelines - they pretty much predated the guidelines. The problem with older apps is that for all the users who get truly fed up with their arcane workflow, there are many, many others who have spent a decade perfecting their knowledge of how to do things with it. Vendors think twice about upsetting them. Think about institutional buyers who purchase several thousand units at at time, and then face the prospect of having to retrain their people. My software publishing company Mirye publishes a 3D application that was first released in 1986. I believe that pre-dates even MAX. But both Shade and MAX do things their own way, because there are so many people who would be very upset if they were changed to the core. What the Shade guys do though is add new functionality and UI and make it possible to turn them off, or reconfigure the UI in a way that you can stick to the old tried-and-true methods. And yeah, I never liked Photoshop, but really like Fireworks ;-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. The RunRev Tribe On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic enterprises consist of people. The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the sufferance of their tribesmen. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. Best Regards, Le 1 mai 2010 à 21:41, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Really, the word revisionist is no longer to be used? There are quite a few words in the marxist cannon, in manifestos large and small by villains throughout history, are all of these words off limits? Should we wait until you inform us so that we might fall into line according to your word retirement program? Richard, I suggest that you refrain from grade school level arguments and argue points on the merits of their content. Your attempts at defamation are obvious and childish. You have been bullying this list for years. I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks. Views on issues can be stated even in angry tones without attacking the character individuals who write in debate. Maybe you would prefer to make fun of my face or clothing? Should I post a picture? Maybe you would like to say something rude about my parents or where I live? Would that help shore up your arguments? Please. -Original Message- From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:06 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue On 02/05/2010 14:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: snip These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted. The funny thing is that when I hear/see the word 'revisionist' it makes me think of Marxist critiques of Trotskyism and Holocaust deniers; neither of these meanings seem to line up with software applications. Another semantic shift perhaps; possibly only in Mr Reetz's private language ? Beam me up. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 18:11, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I don't want a chieftain but I like being a tribesman. The RunRev Tribe Well then; isn't it time we heard something from the chief? On May 2, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 02/05/2010 12:37, Pierre Sahores wrote: The way the present worldwide civil war acts vhere the monopolistic entreprises candidates are the fighters/armies and workers/peoples the victims. Until when ?... As I am not a left-winger I do not see a polarisation between workers and monopolistic enterprises; after all, monopolistic enterprises consist of people. The whole thing looks like an all-too human problem: people like to belong to tribes, and tribes like to have chieftains. The trouble is that very, very few chieftains care about their tribesmen, and forget that they are chieftains only at the sufferance of their tribesmen. The tribesmen also forget that they can topple their chieftains quite easily; they wander around with their mouths hanging open in awe of the mighty chief - forgetting that s/he is, ultimately, no better than they are. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I'm with you, Randall. I think we should pile up and burn all these pretender and derivative programs, like Photosop, Mathematica and Xcode-- hell, I could probably write any of these simplistic mind-numbing tools in a weekend with Rev (but only if I wish to waste valuable time which I could be pontificating the ininess, or lack thereof, of my navel). I suspect that like myself, you too believe Rev is the gateway to this newer, richer class of software where the computer ceases to be a typewriter and finally knows who you are and that is why you continue to post here in the use-revolution list and not on some politicorum. (great word-- just made it up, feel free to use it.) On Sunday, May 2, 2010, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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And regarding the obvious and impending from Jacque-- Yes, of course it's an innie. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital analog of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his new kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to innovation. This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. -Original Message- From: Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:36 AM To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue LOL, I don't spend much time on this list anymore. The only reason I'm even reading this thread is I, too, out of the blue, received off-list messages regarding your incite full posts. And, I feel humbled in the presence of the only visionary thinker in the world with regard to software. I'm with you, Randall. I think we should pile up and burn all these pretender and derivative programs, like Photosop, Mathematica and Xcode-- hell, I could probably write any of these simplistic mind-numbing tools in a weekend with Rev (but only if I wish to waste valuable time which I could be pontificating the ininess, or lack thereof, of my navel). I suspect that like myself, you too believe Rev is the gateway to this newer, richer class of software where the computer ceases to be a typewriter and finally knows who you are and that is why you continue to post here in the use-revolution list and not on some politicorum. (great word-- just made it up, feel free to use it.) On Sunday, May 2, 2010, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: I have received numerous personal off-list emails by people who simply refuse to post after being subject on too many times to your personal attacks___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 02/05/2010 20:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: Adobe didn't conceive postscript, photshop, illustrator, flash, etc. Mathematica isn't derivative. Wolfram (for all I rail on his philosophy) is one of the last remaining computer scientists. I think there is something about the act of writing software the way we've been doing it that either strips the science out of us or keeps the scientists away. Wolfram is an interesting guy. His mathematica is like most of this first wave software simply a digital analog of a tool we did manually before. Yet at the same time, he actively promotes the idea of properties and tools unique to computation (his new kind of science). Anyway, this discussion was about steve jobs when I think it should be about adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to innovation. This, once the disappointment and anger wears off is what has driven steve jobs into such unpopular and dangerous a stance. Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. Fair point, Randall: adobe's all to familiar entrenchment approach to innovation ; but that is a problem that tends to happen with ALL successful organisations (including Apple); they become complacent and slack off. Unfortunately, like it or not, the vast majority of folk use their computers as nothing more than typewriters and video-phones, home entertainment centres and mind-numbing devices; and, despite your ideals, and mine (however much they may differ; and I suspect not as much as you might think); it is again the old problem about who pays for the bread and cheese. -- About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife then pointed out that if that was what the majority of people wanted then that is what they should get. I then pointed that a society where the 90% of the people are permanently glued to 'prole-feed' on the telly or the computer, and for their exercise went to cruise in the malls and mindlessly spend money have the vote was not really the sort of society I wanted to be a part of she agreed, but pointed out that there was precious little we could do about it. -- When xtalk was abandoned by apple, that was the day the music really died. All cultures hark back to a semi-mythical golden age, that on closer examination turns out to have been nothing of the sort. You should have been at the Edinburgh conference (apart from the fact that you and I might have been arrested for savaging each other); there was quite a considerable amount of 'music' and the air really was fizzing! -- Like all tertiary species, runrev can only eat the debris that falls to the ocean floor. I think that that is being a bit unkind. After all Runrev does work on Linux, where (despite your dislike for Open Source) there is more room for individual initiative and movement than in the relatively tightly controlled worlds of Mac and Windows. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On May 2, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: About 3 hours ago my wife and I went for a walk in a park here in Plovdiv; from the hill in the centre of the park I could see 3 shopping malls under construction: I groaned. My wife then pointed out that if that was what the majority of people wanted then that is what they should get. I heard that Steve Jobs is opening a supermarket, and will sell a wide range of products. But he'll only stock products that are made from veggie burgers. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
