Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On 12/8/06 16:45, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. While Rev's work in the U3-specific additions are helpful, you can also deliver portable apps on ANY removable drive, U3 or not. Kevin Miller wrote: Of course, the coolest thing about U3 is that it is backed by the major storage vendors - Kingston, Memorex, Sandisk and many others. That means that tens of millions of these devices will ship each year, making this type of deployment a new potential revenue opportunity for developers. --- For complete portability, you can even put the whole OS on the removable medium too, including pendrives, etc. Puppy Linux (only the name is laughable) can be booted from pendrive or from CD-rom, saving your session to this medium on exit. The only fly in the ointment at this moment (provoking Dan again) is that some quite modern BIOS don't enable you to boot from a pendrive. I don't know the reason for this, but I imagine it is being corrected as I speak. Since it is small (about 70 MB) you might imagine that Puppy is a severely limited distro, since it operates entirely in memory. Not true! It does everything that my Ubuntu does, and more, without touching a sausage on the HD. And of course, the Rev IDE and standalones work perfectly. I haven't tried booting a U3 drive with Puppy on it, but if it works half as well as it does with CD booting/reading/recording, it would be fantastic. Regards to all, Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On 13/8/06 17:03, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about Rev, though. Anyone try it? I vaguely recall some mention of the licensing scheme being dependent on a specific path. We have built a version of the IDE that runs on U3 - that version is available for download on the download pages. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On 12/8/06 13:29, Jim Carwardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This appears to be a PC only upgrade. Is that true or does the Mac OS version contain the U3 stuff? Jim The zip file support, and several other bug fixes and minor enhancements are all Mac compatible. You can build U3 packages from on your Mac, too. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On 12/8/06 16:45, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. While Rev's work in the U3-specific additions are helpful, you can also deliver portable apps on ANY removable drive, U3 or not. Of course, the coolest thing about U3 is that it is backed by the major storage vendors - Kingston, Memorex, Sandisk and many others. That means that tens of millions of these devices will ship each year, making this type of deployment a new potential revenue opportunity for developers. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Thanks, Richard... I wish I had your encyclopedic mind. This was way outside my personal experience not ever having owned a PC. I thought this may have had something to do with writing apps for handhelds - Rev having a Palm interface option or something like that... Jim on 8/12/06 12:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Jim Carwardine wrote: This appears to be a PC only upgrade. Is that true or does the Mac OS version contain the U3 stuff? Jim At its core, U3 is just a novel interface to a feature built into the Windows OS: On Win, any read-only volume can have an autorun.inf file in its root directory which causes the OS to automatically run whatever file is specified in that INF file whenever the volume is mounted. This is how Windows CDs have been commonly made for more than a decade, to the point that today Win users so expect the CD to do something that if you don't use an INF file they'll call your tech support to report that the CD is broken. :) U3 merely tricks the OS into making autorun.inf files runnable from flash drives, by partitioning the drive so that one partition (the one that contains the menu application) is read-only. Partitioning is simple and soon many non-U3-member vendors were offering custom partitioned drives (you can order these from a great many vendors around the web), so U3 went further to differentiate itself with the recent addition of the auto-shutdown feature and a couple others. Because the core of the U3 experience is dependent on a Windows-specific OS feature, currently U3 can only deliver that experience on Windows, and no on Mac or Linux. And because Apple has explicitly expressed a disdain for the security risks introduced when any auto-run feature is added to an OS (they had this in an early version of QT, but after it was used to spread viruses they yanked it and vowed to never do that again), it seems unlikely that Apple would risk losing the advantage they currently enjoy in being perceived as more secure than Windows just for the modest benefit U3 provides. Perhaps the coolest thing about U3 is that the vendors using it have really helped pushed the notion of delivering applications on Flash drives, which helps not only the millions of customers who buy U3 drives by the order of magnitude more who buy non-U3 drives. And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. While Rev's work in the U3-specific additions are helpful, you can also deliver portable apps on ANY removable drive, U3 or not. For the benefit of developers looking to deploy to the full range of Flash drives on all major operating systems, a discussion group has been formed to explore ways of establishing simple common directories and an open source player to make it easy for developers and simple for their users: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/U4-Group/ -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: At its core, U3 is just a novel interface to a feature built into the Windows OS: ... And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. I appreciate the summary. Looking at U3 hadn't moved to the top of my pile. Any technical problems with having a set of IDEs installed on a flash drive? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 12, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: At its core, U3 is just a novel interface to a feature built into the Windows OS: ... And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. I appreciate the summary. Looking at U3 hadn't moved to the top of my pile. Any technical problems with having a set of IDEs installed on a flash drive? It depends on the IDE. One of the great things about the Rev engine (in contrast to VB, ToolBook, and other tools that rely on a bunch of DLLs strewn all over the hard drive) as that it's inherently self-contained. Even externals and libraries are easy to use in that they can be put in the same folder as the app without needing to modify the host system. So any IDE that doesn't go out of its way not to be self-contained should run just fine from any removable storage device. The MC IDE, and my own fork of that project which I hope to release later this year, will run from anywhere. Not sure about Rev, though. Anyone try it? I vaguely recall some mention of the licensing scheme being dependent on a specific path. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
This appears to be a PC only upgrade. Is that true or does the Mac OS version contain the U3 stuff? Jim on 8/11/06 6:58 AM, Heather Nagey wrote: Dear list folk, I am delighted to announce that Revolution for U3 is now available and to give you good folks advance notice about a special offer. 2.7.3 now has support for building applications on and for U3, the future looking system for running seamlessly from a flash drive, download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com As a special offer, we have a very limited supply of the RevCon West U3 flash drives in beautiful translucent purple for the first 36 purchasers of any Revolution CD plus any type of license! Yes, that includes updates, new purchases and even Media licenses. The U3 platform powers U3 smart drives that let consumers carry and launch not only files but software programs, personal preferences and computer settings - and the means for managing it all - wherever they go. Consumers simply plug the U3 smart drive into the USB port of any PC and securely access their files and software programs via the user- friendly U3 Launchpad. When the U3 smart drive is removed, the U3 Launchpad disappears from the computer and no personal information or software is left behind. Revolution 2.7.3 lets developers select a ³U3 compatible² option when they begin creating a new software program. The new software they create will automatically conform to the U3 platform and will pass U3¹s compatibility testing. Because the Revolution 2.7.3 development environment itself is U3 compatible, developers can carry Revolution on a U3 smart drive and securely access their work on any PC. As well as U3 support, 2.7.3 brings you - Zip file management allows file compression, listing archive contents and adding or extracting files in archives. - Application instancing lets developers control whether multiple or single instances of Revolution-based applications can run on Windows. - Improved Revolution Player-based distribution adds support for very long file names. Several additional fixes were made to players. - The Revolution integrated development environment has been upgraded with fixes for interrupting applications during the debugging process and with minor adjustments to make it easier to modify. This is a feature release, which means if you have a valid update pack you can download and install this for free, if you don't have an update pack you are going to need to get one in order to access this release. http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update I hope you enjoy this latest improvement to Revolution! Warm regards Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Jim Carwardine wrote: This appears to be a PC only upgrade. Is that true or does the Mac OS version contain the U3 stuff? Jim At its core, U3 is just a novel interface to a feature built into the Windows OS: On Win, any read-only volume can have an autorun.inf file in its root directory which causes the OS to automatically run whatever file is specified in that INF file whenever the volume is mounted. This is how Windows CDs have been commonly made for more than a decade, to the point that today Win users so expect the CD to do something that if you don't use an INF file they'll call your tech support to report that the CD is broken. :) U3 merely tricks the OS into making autorun.inf files runnable from flash drives, by partitioning the drive so that one partition (the one that contains the menu application) is read-only. Partitioning is simple and soon many non-U3-member vendors were offering custom partitioned drives (you can order these from a great many vendors around the web), so U3 went further to differentiate itself with the recent addition of the auto-shutdown feature and a couple others. Because the core of the U3 experience is dependent on a Windows-specific OS feature, currently U3 can only deliver that experience on Windows, and no on Mac or Linux. And because Apple has explicitly expressed a disdain for the security risks introduced when any auto-run feature is added to an OS (they had this in an early version of QT, but after it was used to spread viruses they yanked it and vowed to never do that again), it seems unlikely that Apple would risk losing the advantage they currently enjoy in being perceived as more secure than Windows just for the modest benefit U3 provides. Perhaps the coolest thing about U3 is that the vendors using it have really helped pushed the notion of delivering applications on Flash drives, which helps not only the millions of customers who buy U3 drives by the order of magnitude more who buy non-U3 drives. And as Rev developers, it's always been a trivial matter for us to deliver fully self-contained apps which run from removable media without needing to modify the host computer. While Rev's work in the U3-specific additions are helpful, you can also deliver portable apps on ANY removable drive, U3 or not. For the benefit of developers looking to deploy to the full range of Flash drives on all major operating systems, a discussion group has been formed to explore ways of establishing simple common directories and an open source player to make it easy for developers and simple for their users: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/U4-Group/ -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
On the site there are two release to download, wich one actual users do have to download ? (the one with U3 written or the other ?) Thank's Dominique On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:58:00 +0200, Heather Nagey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list folk, I am delighted to announce that Revolution for U3 is now available and to give you good folks advance notice about a special offer. 2.7.3 now has support for building applications on and for U3, the future looking system for running seamlessly from a flash drive, download it here: http://downloads.runrev.com As a special offer, we have a very limited supply of the RevCon West U3 flash drives in beautiful translucent purple for the first 36 purchasers of any Revolution CD plus any type of license! Yes, that includes updates, new purchases and even Media licenses. The U3 platform powers U3 smart drives that let consumers carry and launch not only files but software programs, personal preferences and computer settings - and the means for managing it all - wherever they go. Consumers simply plug the U3 smart drive into the USB port of any PC and securely access their files and software programs via the user- friendly U3 Launchpad. When the U3 smart drive is removed, the U3 Launchpad disappears from the computer and no personal information or software is left behind. Revolution 2.7.3 lets developers select a “U3 compatible” option when they begin creating a new software program. The new software they create will automatically conform to the U3 platform and will pass U3’s compatibility testing. Because the Revolution 2.7.3 development environment itself is U3 compatible, developers can carry Revolution on a U3 smart drive and securely access their work on any PC. As well as U3 support, 2.7.3 brings you - Zip file management allows file compression, listing archive contents and adding or extracting files in archives. - Application instancing lets developers control whether multiple or single instances of Revolution-based applications can run on Windows. - Improved Revolution Player-based distribution adds support for very long file names. Several additional fixes were made to players. - The Revolution integrated development environment has been upgraded with fixes for interrupting applications during the debugging process and with minor adjustments to make it easier to modify. This is a feature release, which means if you have a valid update pack you can download and install this for free, if you don't have an update pack you are going to need to get one in order to access this release. http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update I hope you enjoy this latest improvement to Revolution! Warm regards Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution __ Information NOD32 1.1701 (20060810) __ Ce message a ete verifie par NOD32 Antivirus System. http://www.nod32.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Revolution 2.7.3 released, support for U3
Heather, Kevin, the entire Rev Team, Congratulations and thank you for your hard work in publishing this new release. Jim Lambert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
