Re: Continues flds

2008-05-08 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hey, Jim,

Thanks for stepping in and clearing up Hershel's probable intent.
Too much for me as well. Unless he is actually trying to emulate
a Layout Program such as Quark, he'd probably be better off
revising his objective. If so, maybe someone else has an idea.

Joe Wilkins


On May 7, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

Ah, you mean 'text flow' or 'story flow' like they do in Quark.   
That is a
specialty feature that word processors and layout programs use, just  
like

text wrap.  You could build it in Rev using the formattedHeight,
formattedWidth.  It will get tricky if you want to allow multiple font
specs, such as bold, font face, etc.

More than I would want to tackle.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/7/08 11:35 PM, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 5/7/08 7:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hershel,

Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't  
tell me

much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective of
your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and I
just missed picking up on it.




If you change the field size then the text should automatically  
reorganize

and it should carry on to the next page or previous or vise versa.
Hershel


Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:


On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Hershel,

For page layout.
Thanks, Hershel


I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to
hold
all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it  
is to
be associated with some art work that would be associated with  
that

text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not
difficult
unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem  
must be

more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat  
that
it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding  
the

underlying objective(s).

HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:


I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
book) or
card it should start where the previous page left off.
Hershel









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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-08 Thread Eric Chatonet

Bonjour Hershel,

Le 8 mai 08 à 00:53, Hershel Fisch a écrit :

I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a  
book) or

card it should start where the previous page left off.
Hershel


Two years ago I did it in a kind of 'book' layout: see the LAMM  
project at http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=logicielsl=en
As the user could change the text size, I had to reorganize it on - 
the-fly and calculate 'text flow'.

The only thing I remember well is that was tricky ;-)
I ended by having a single card with one (or two) field containing  
the whole text (without scroll bar) and just set the scroll  
programmatically combined with a visual effect to 'fake' pages turning.
So I did not use what you call 'flds continuing' but two fields only  
even if a wipe left/right let the user think the 'card' has changed.

May be a clue for you?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-08 Thread Hershel Fisch
On 5/8/08 12:45 AM, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah, you mean 'text flow' or 'story flow' like they do in Quark.  That is a
 specialty feature that word processors and layout programs use,
Good, that¹s exactly what I would love to do, but Quark doesn't do it in the
language I want and the way I want. Well I don't need it a sophisticated as
Quark,(maybe yes who knows) but to some extent. And mainly for text only.
And by the way what would be the max file size in RR?
Hershel
 just like text wrap.  You could build it in Rev using the formattedHeight,
 formattedWidth.  It will get tricky if you want to allow multiple font
 specs, such as bold, font face, etc.
 
 More than I would want to tackle.
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas
 
 
 On 5/7/08 11:35 PM, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 5/7/08 7:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hershel,
 
 Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell me
 much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective of
 your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and I
 just missed picking up on it.
 If you change the field size then the text should automatically reorganize
 and it should carry on to the next page or previous or vise versa.
 Hershel
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Hershel,
 For page layout.
 Thanks, Hershel
 
 I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
 wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to
 hold
 all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
 needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to
 be associated with some art work that would be associated with that
 text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not
 difficult
 unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be
 more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
 trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that
 it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the
 underlying objective(s).
 
 HTH,
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
 book) or
 card it should start where the previous page left off.
 Hershel
 
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Thomas McGrath III

Do you mean a field as a background object? on all cards?


On May 6, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

Hi, there was a discussion regarding a single fld continuing on  
multiple

cards, can somebody recall exactly the topic?
Thanks, Hershel

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Thomas McGrath III
OR maybe you mean a field that when it gets to the bottom of a card  
continues on at the next card?


Tom

On May 7, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Do you mean a field as a background object? on all cards?


On May 6, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

Hi, there was a discussion regarding a single fld continuing on  
multiple

cards, can somebody recall exactly the topic?
Thanks, Hershel

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Colin Holgate


On May 7, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

OR maybe you mean a field that when it gets to the bottom of a card  
continues on at the next card?


The two could be the same thing. If you had text continue, book like,  
onto the next card, the field that it continues in would probably want  
to be the same background field. This was a question I've had too, how  
do you drag a field onto the card, make a new card, and still see the  
field you just made (because it's a background field)? I don't mean a  
shared text one either, that's easy to do if you can get the basic  
background field going.


Even doing a set the editbackground of this stack to true is not  
enough to let you make a background field.

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Hershel Fisch
I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a book) or
card it should start where the previous page left off.
Hershel

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi Hershel,

I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm  
wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to hold  
all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your  
needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to  
be associated with some art work that would be associated with that  
text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not difficult  
unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be  
more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you  
trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that  
it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the  
underlying objective(s).


HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:

I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a  
book) or

card it should start where the previous page left off.
Hershel

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Hershel Fisch
On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Hershel,
For page layout.
Thanks, Hershel
 
 I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
 wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to hold
 all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
 needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to
 be associated with some art work that would be associated with that
 text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not difficult
 unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be
 more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
 trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that
 it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the
 underlying objective(s).
 
 HTH,
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
 book) or
 card it should start where the previous page left off.
 Hershel
 
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hershel,

Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell me  
much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective of  
your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and I  
just missed picking up on it.


Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:


On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Hershel,

For page layout.
Thanks, Hershel


I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to  
hold

all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to
be associated with some art work that would be associated with that
text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not  
difficult

unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be
more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that
it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the
underlying objective(s).

HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:


I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
book) or
card it should start where the previous page left off.
Hershel

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Colin Holgate


On May 7, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell  
me much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective  
of your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and  
I just missed picking up on it.


Can one of you give simple steps for making a background field that is  
still there when you make a new card, and also suggest ways to spread  
text across that background field, over many cards. For the sake of  
argument, suppose that there is a few megabytes of text to show, and  
that might be sluggish in a single scrolling field.



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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Unlike HC, Rev doesn't use the background concept. So, to do what you  
want:


1.  Create a New Mainstack
2.  Drag a scrollable (or non-scrollable) field from the Tools palette  
onto the stack. It only has one card at this time.

3.  Select that field
4.  Click on the Group Button in the Tool Bar
5.  If you don't see the Object Inspector for that field double click  
on the field using the Edit Pointer Tool
6.  Set the check-box for Behave like a Background - at the bottom  
of the Object Inspector Window.


You now have a field that will appear on all of the new cards that you  
create. If you want it to share text, you'll have to set that property  
as well; otherwise each card can have unique text.


HTH,

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On May 7, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell  
me much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the  
objective of your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that  
earlier and I just missed picking up on it.


Can one of you give simple steps for making a background field that  
is still there when you make a new card, and also suggest ways to  
spread text across that background field, over many cards. For the  
sake of argument, suppose that there is a few megabytes of text to  
show, and that might be sluggish in a single scrolling field.



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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Colin Holgate


On May 7, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


HTH,


It did. The ability was more buried than I was expecting!


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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Colin,

I understand. Nothing in Rev is quite as simple as it was with HC. I  
think you'll find that it is best/easiest to set up all of the so- 
called background objects on the first card of the stack, since I  
think it gets even more complicated if you want to create background  
objects once you have a whole bunch of cards. And it would be a good  
idea to set all of the Objects' properties at that time as well.  
So try to plan ahead if you can.


Joe Wilkins


On May 7, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On May 7, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


HTH,


It did. The ability was more buried than I was expecting!

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Kay C Lan
OK this is what I did as a VERY BASIC test to create a field that once you
'fill a field up' it will automatically take you to the 'Next Card' which
has the same field and allows you to just keep typing.

New stack.
New plain field 'Field1'
Make it a group and give it backgroundBehavior
Make a New Card and check that 'Field1' is automatically copied across.
In the group script put this 11 line script.

1  ON rawKeyDown pKeyCode
2 IF ((the formattedheight of field Field1)  (the height of field
Field1)) THEN
3 go to card (the number of this card + 1)
4 put char -1 field Field1  of card (the number of this card - 1)
into field Field1
5 delete char -1 of field Field1 of card (the number of this card
- 1)
6 select after field Field1
7 pass rawKeyDown pKeyCode
8 ELSE
9 pass rawKeyDown pKeyCode
10END IF
11 END rawKeyDown


Notes:
1) Unlike the documentation that say its important to 'pass rawKeyDown' and
then give an example without the the actual key code to pass, it's
imperative to include this vital parameter.
2) You need to play with formattedHeight and height because in this basic
version the text will skip to the next field when their is still quite a
margin left - I assume it has something to do with margins so maybe
formattedHeight  (height + margin) or margin/2?
3) You'll need to be check that a Next Card exists or create one if doesn't.
4) Haven't though too much about Pasting text in - I imagine you'd need some
kind of 'Repeat for each' loop to simulate typing the text in.

It's a very basic start, but it's possible.
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread John Tregea
Hi Hershel,

I may have missed something in this thread but what is stopping you from just 
putting the text in appropriate sized chunks on a series of cards? NOt 
programatically, just cut and paste your total text into appropriate blocks 
across how ever many cards you need?

Regards

John T

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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Ault
On 5/7/08 9:15 PM, John Tregea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Hershel,
 
 I may have missed something in this thread but what is stopping you from just
 putting the text in appropriate sized chunks on a series of cards? NOt
 programatically, just cut and paste your total text into appropriate blocks
 across how ever many cards you need?
 
 Regards
 
 John T
 
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 From: Hershel Fisch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 08:53 AM
 To: 'How to use Revolution'
 Subject: Re: Continues flds
 
 I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a book) orcard
 it should start where the previous page left
 off.
You could also have Rav cast the text as images and make the user think they
were going card to card and all you would do is produce the slide show
(blending would be a nice touch to produce a transition)

import snapshot of the rect of the formattedtext of line 1 to 24 of field
displayText as JPEG

fld displayText would be off-screen, the 'last image' would be the new one,
you could set it to the layer behind the current visible on, then do a
blendLevel to reveal the new image, then delete the old one.


You could trigger forward and backward image snapshots.

BTW, is there a reason you don't just set the scroll of a field as the user
clicks, rather than card to card?

Jim Ault
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Hershel Fisch
On 5/7/08 7:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hershel,
 
 Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell me
 much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective of
 your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and I
 just missed picking up on it.
If you change the field size then the text should automatically reorganize
and it should carry on to the next page or previous or vise versa.
Hershel
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Hershel,
 For page layout.
 Thanks, Hershel
 
 I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
 wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to
 hold
 all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
 needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to
 be associated with some art work that would be associated with that
 text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not
 difficult
 unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be
 more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
 trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that
 it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the
 underlying objective(s).
 
 HTH,
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
 book) or
 card it should start where the previous page left off.
 Hershel
 
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-07 Thread Jim Ault
Ah, you mean 'text flow' or 'story flow' like they do in Quark.  That is a
specialty feature that word processors and layout programs use, just like
text wrap.  You could build it in Rev using the formattedHeight,
formattedWidth.  It will get tricky if you want to allow multiple font
specs, such as bold, font face, etc.

More than I would want to tackle.

Jim Ault
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On 5/7/08 11:35 PM, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 5/7/08 7:50 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hershel,
 
 Maybe I'm kind of dense, but saying page layout just doesn't tell me
 much. Sorry for being so insistent; maybe if I knew the objective of
 your program it might. Perhaps you've mentioned that earlier and I
 just missed picking up on it.
 If you change the field size then the text should automatically reorganize
 and it should carry on to the next page or previous or vise versa.
 Hershel
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 On 5/7/08 5:10 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Hershel,
 For page layout.
 Thanks, Hershel
 
 I've been catching your postings for the past day or so, and I'm
 wondering: why are you not merely using a scrolling text field to
 hold
 all of this text? The only reason that I could think of for your
 needing to separate it into a series of pages would  be if it is to
 be associated with some art work that would be associated with that
 text. Is that the case? If so, what you are proposing is not
 difficult
 unless the text is subject to change. I believe your problem must be
 more complicated than you have presented to the list. What are you
 trying to do? In Rev there are so very many ways to skin any cat that
 it is difficult to suggest solutions without truly understanding the
 underlying objective(s).
 
 HTH,
 
 Joe Wilkins
 
 On May 7, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
 
 I'm trying to have text in a field and in the next page (like a
 book) or
 card it should start where the previous page left off.
 Hershel
 
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Re: Continues flds

2008-05-06 Thread Kay C Lan
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, there was a discussion regarding a single fld continuing on multiple
 cards, can somebody recall exactly the topic?


What's your problem. Maybe we can figure out a solution faster than we can
figure out all the possible permutations of who's posted problems about
fields,cards and what their posted subject was :-)
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