Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-26 Thread Devin Asay

On Apr 24, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Mark Maslowski wrote:

 Howdy all!
 
 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?

MM:

Welcome to the Revolution! In addition to the excellent resources others have 
suggested, may I humbly suggest my web site at http://revolution.byu.edu. It is 
made up of an extensive collection of Rev tutorials and notes that I created 
for Rev programming courses that I teach here at BYU. Much of it may be a 
little elementary, since it's intended for beginning programmers, but there are 
lots of examples sprinkled throughout that you may find helpful.

Regards,

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-25 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mark Wieder wrote:


Please - no more Marks. It's getting confusing enough around here. I
sometimes have trouble remembering which one is me...


I tried to get the last three Marks to change their names, but none of 
them would. So you do it.


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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-25 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.netwrote:


 Please - no more Marks. It's getting confusing enough around here. I
 sometimes have trouble remembering which one is me...


 if (me = the target) then
   answer I'm Wieder
end if

HTH
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Wieder
Mark-

Saturday, April 24, 2010, 10:54:49 PM, Kay wrote:

 all the links you've been given are extremely good, but at the end of the
 day, the fact that you've found this List means you have a huge head-start.

Drat - I forgot to mention that. Yes - this list is the best runrev
resource there is, and the gmane archives are the second-best. Bring
on the dumb noob questions and you'll find a community ready to help
you through those awkward first (second, nth) steps without too much
rtfming. Just don't mention politics, religion or cheese here.

 Give it two weeks. One week to accept the fact that Rev just doesn't work
 the same as Director or Flash (or anything else you may have worked with),
 and another week to get your head use to Stacks, sub-stacks, cards, objects
 and events.

 Then the penny will drop and you'll be on your way to your own Revolution
 :-)

There's a pretty steep learning curve right at the beginning, but once
you get to that aha! moment life will never be the same.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-25 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque-

Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:03:15 PM, you wrote:

 I tried to get the last three Marks to change their names, but none of
 them would. So you do it.

Oh, sure... just because you get to be Jacques sometimes you think
this is easy... just wait until Jacque 2 comes along and you'll see
what things are like... I can't even use my last initial and be the
only Mark W. here.

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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-25 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/4/25 Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 Jacque-

 Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:03:15 PM, you wrote:

 I tried to get the last three Marks to change their names, but none of
 them would. So you do it.

 Oh, sure... just because you get to be Jacques sometimes you think
 this is easy... just wait until Jacque 2 comes along and you'll see
 what things are like... I can't even use my last initial and be the
 only Mark W. here.

At least, I'm quiet 8-)

-- 
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http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Colin Holgate
The programming language is close to being like verbose Lingo, but the metaphor 
is a stack of cards, and not a timeline.

Here might be a good place to start:

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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Sarah Reichelt
 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?


Hi Mark,

Welcome to the Revolution!
As well as the tutorials web Colin advised, I always recommend the
scripting conferences
http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Michael Kann
Mark, the following url is a repository of free stacks to get some ideas from. 
It will give you an idea of the possibilities.

http://revonline2.runrev.com/search/searchtype/latest/direction/descending/


--- On Sat, 4/24/10, Mark Maslowski m...@majico.com wrote:

 From: Mark Maslowski m...@majico.com
 Subject: New to the Revolution
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 5:59 PM
 Howdy all!
 
 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of
 jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any
 suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books?
 Tutorials?
 
 Thanks.
 
 - Mark
 
 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
  
 Mark D. Maslowski
 Partner/Designer/Programmer
 
 MAJICo - The Mark and June Interactive Company Serving
 Northern
 California - from Napa to Monterey!
 www.majico.com
  
 831-336-3343 voice   
    831-336-3383 fax
  
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread zryip theSlug
2010/4/25 Mark Maslowski m...@majico.com:
 Howdy all!

 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?

 Thanks.

 - Mark

Hi Mark,

Welcome to Revolution and to the list ;)

To start I invite you to download the trial version of Studio or
Enterprise if you have not already bought your license.

http://www.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/

The trial allow you to use the full version of Studio or Enterprise
during one month.

In Revolution itself you have stuff helpful to start. I recommend you:
- the resource center. It will take you the hand to learn
progressively how creating stacks with revolution
- you have also a dictionary. The dictionary presents all the
vocabulary available in Rev arranged by object type
- at last the Rev Online give you access to about 200 example stacks

Because I have start Revolution five month ago, I've list interesting
links to start in my website. You can reach those links here:

http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/index.php?option=com_weblinksview=categoryid=36%3Ahow-to-scriptItemid=61


Regards,
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Colin Holgate wrote:

 Here might be a good place to start:
 
 http://support.runrev.com/tutorials/

See here as well:

http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/

Also, note under the Revolution Help menu, there's a Resource Center stack
with links to stacks, videos and PDFs.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mark Maslowski wrote:

Howdy all!

I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?



Welcome! You'll love it here. Besides all the links others have 
mentioned, the very best resource is this list. Ask us anything. We like it.


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Colin Holgate

On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:07 PM, zryip theSlug wrote:

 To start I invite you to download the trial version of Studio or
 Enterprise if you have not already bought your license.
 
 http://www.runrev.com/downloads/free-trial/


Don't forget the free version too:

http://revmedia.runrev.com/revMedia/


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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Mark-

Saturday, April 24, 2010, 3:59:06 PM, you wrote:

 Howdy all!

 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?

 Thanks.

Please - no more Marks. It's getting confusing enough around here. I
sometimes have trouble remembering which one is me...

Anyway, welcome to the community here. As others have mentioned, check
out some of the sample work on revOnline, and do look at the scripting
conference sessions. And a good place to start might be to look at
Richard Gaskin's introduction to the message path:

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/revolution_message_path.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Mark Maslowski
 Please - no more Marks. It's getting confusing enough around here. I
 sometimes have trouble remembering which one is me...

I can go by Maz or the Maz if it makes things easier!

- M


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Partner/Designer/Programmer

MAJICo - The Mark and June Interactive Company Serving Northern
California - from Napa to Monterey!
www.majico.com
 
831-336-3343 voice   831-336-3383 fax
 
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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Jim Ault
Since you are a developer that probably has a keen eye for user  
appeal...


Here are some very dramatic stacks that are inspiring.  Scott Rossi is  
humble enough not to mention them, so I will.


Tactile Media is his company
Below is the link to a page of very cool stacks that should get you  
excited.


These are a collection of Revolution stacks done by a pro.
You might choose Ball Clock as your first peek.  Go ahead, drag it  
around, then smile.


http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/software/tutorial_thumbs.html

Welcome to a very active and supportive community!
Ask away.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Mark Maslowski wrote:


Howdy all!

I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping  
into the
Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of  
resource

material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?

Thanks.

- Mark

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Mark D. Maslowski
Partner/Designer/Programmer

MAJICo - The Mark and June Interactive Company Serving Northern
California - from Napa to Monterey!
www.majico.com

831-336-3343 voice   831-336-3383 fax


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Re: New to the Revolution

2010-04-24 Thread Kay C Lan
Hi Maz,

all the links you've been given are extremely good, but at the end of the
day, the fact that you've found this List means you have a huge head-start.
Whilst answering the same old question over and over is NOT frowned upon
here - as we appreciate that there will always be someone else lurking in
the background who would also benefit from such questions, if you'd like to
search old posts, try here:

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user

Give it two weeks. One week to accept the fact that Rev just doesn't work
the same as Director or Flash (or anything else you may have worked with),
and another week to get your head use to Stacks, sub-stacks, cards, objects
and events.

Then the penny will drop and you'll be on your way to your own Revolution
:-)

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Mark Maslowski m...@majico.com wrote:

 Howdy all!

 I am a long-time Director and Flash developer thinking of jumping into the
 Revolution for an upcoming desktop application. Any suggestions of resource
 material to help lessen the learning curve? Books? Tutorials?

 Thanks.

 - Mark

 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

 Mark D. Maslowski
 Partner/Designer/Programmer

 MAJICo - The Mark and June Interactive Company Serving Northern
 California - from Napa to Monterey!
 www.majico.com

 831-336-3343 voice   831-336-3383 fax

 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*



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Re: New version of Revolution, Same standalone problems

2004-08-04 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/4/04 12:36 AM, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello, kind and smart people of the Revolution list.  I wonder if you
 could lend me a hand with a little head-scratching puzzler of a problem
 that I've been experiencing.
 When I create standalones, I'm getting problems with both Windows and
 Mac versions.
 The Windows standalone works except that it doesn't seem to recognize
 my Keyup handler (or Keydown for that matter).
 http://ultimate.atomkinder.net/VillageIdiot.exe
 The Mac standalone doesn't work at all.  When I double-click to open
 it, it just does nothing.
 http://ultimate.atomkinder.net/VillageIdiot.sit

Andrew,

Nothing personal, but you're asking us to download and run an executable...
not to sound paranoid, but I don't know too many people who'll take you up
on the offer... perhaps you can post your .rev stack and we can build our
own standalones and test it?

Thanks,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

2004-02-06 Thread Ken Ray
Chris,

Welcome aboard! 

Which font is this using, and is this in an English OS (it looks like it
is, but I want to be sure). At the outset it looks like a font-related
issue... if you change the font to something generic like Arial, do
you still have the same issue? And it doesn't look like you have a menu
bar in play, right?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Christopher Mitchell
 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:27 PM
 To: 'How to use Revolution'
 Subject: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about 
 cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.
 
 
 Hey, folks,
 
 I've just registered a Studio license this week and have been tooling 
 around with this fabulous software, but I'm having some 
 concerns when 
 it comes to how very simple Win32 windows are being represented in 
 contrast to the Mac windows.
 
 Now, I'm aware of the 21 pixel issue if there is a menu in 
 play (which 
 I guess is always) but please take a look at these small shots:
 
 http://www.luminus.com/runrev/
 
 The filenames are self-explanatory.  I built the Windows standalone 
 based on the Mac stack as you see it.  I did some adjusting and was 
 messing around with property profiles to try to get a Mac and 
 a Windows 
 setup where there was enough space and proper alignment, but there 
 seems to be more to it than just that.
 
 Note where the glyph in the Windows shot is being cutoff.  If 
 I turn a 
 grid plugin on in the editor on the mac, it shows that I have 
 a little 
 over 30 (THIRTY) pixels space between the top of the glyph 
 and the top 
 edge of the stack window.  As you can see, it is about equidistant to 
 the little control bundle at the bottom.  No matter how you slice it, 
 taking into account the menu area at the top (which is still 
 narrower, 
 as I understand, than what is shown) the Windows stack has 
 WAY too much 
 space between the glyph and the controls.  Trying to get them 
 to be in 
 the right place required almost placing the glyph field right 
 on top of 
 the controls.
 
 What's up with this?  I knew there were some problems, but this is 
 enough to require having to go back and redo each element just so it 
 doesn't show up in a funky place - time consuming and contra 
 the write 
 once run anywhere purpose of having a multi-environment 
 builder.  Oddly 
 enough it looks like the controls are in the right place, but this 
 field is just out in space once it moves over to Windows.
 
 Any hints/help on this?  I'm thinking of getting an Express 
 license to 
 clean up the UI on Windows but that just seems like  - well - 
 something 
 that I shouldn't have to do unless there's something hardcore 
 going on 
 - and this is just a single text field (and for the record is not a 
 unicode font, so there's none of that issue coming up  - yet...)
 
 Thanks all!
 
 Yours,
 Chris
 
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Re: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

2004-02-06 Thread Christopher Mitchell
Hey, Ken,

Thanks!  I've been looking at your site, actually, and the many others 
that are out there.  It is unbelievable how many resources people have 
made available, even more unbelievable that nobody I know has ever 
heard of RunRev.  Per the discussion in another thread, it's hard for 
me to get it through to my java/flash guru friend that RunRev is a good 
idea, but it seems like the world that knows about it is filled with 
real zealots.  (ha.  a Sons of Thunder joke)

Well, it could be a font issue.  I will give it a go with Arial.  This 
font is HebraicaII by Linguist Software, not something I could 
distribute with a stack anyway.  It is English OSX.3.2 that I'm 
running, and XP on the Win side.  I did not put a menu bar in, so in 
this case it is getting way cut off even without the bar-space.

Have a look at the files in here called winwarped and macwarped 
http://www.luminus.com/runrev/

That's the original Mac spacing I had to do to get the windows to look 
as it does in winwarped (which is not warped at all, and what I 
expected my original stack to export like).

I'll go give it a test with Arial though.  I notice that there have not 
been any posts in the archives for some time about Right to Left 
keyboarding and fonts, but this is the major need for which I will be 
carrying the standard.  I don't suppose you (or anyone reading this) 
knows offhand why when I switch to Hebrew-QWERTY the system 
automagically switches me to Lucida Grande, and I can't seem to change 
fonts in the right-left scripted mode...

RunRev needs to give a call to Mellel!  Especially with the education 
market in graduate/postgrad studies in Middle Eastern languages and 
literatures... (I'm currently assisting in editing my prof's 
dissertation for U. Ed, and one of the biggest issues has been dealing 
with Hebrew, Greek and English in one document.  May I take this time 
to express a moment of disdain for MS Word).  Mellel is one of the only 
apps I've seen so far that does it right - but even Mail.app works 
reasonably well.

Getting wordy, will go try Arial then look for a better Hebrew font... 
any suggestions from the gallery?

Yours,
Chris
On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:35 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
Chris,

Welcome aboard!

Which font is this using, and is this in an English OS (it looks like 
it
is, but I want to be sure). At the outset it looks like a font-related
issue... if you change the font to something generic like Arial, do
you still have the same issue? And it doesn't look like you have a menu
bar in play, right?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Christopher Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:27 PM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about
cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.
Hey, folks,

I've just registered a Studio license this week and have been tooling
around with this fabulous software, but I'm having some
concerns when
it comes to how very simple Win32 windows are being represented in
contrast to the Mac windows.
Now, I'm aware of the 21 pixel issue if there is a menu in
play (which
I guess is always) but please take a look at these small shots:
http://www.luminus.com/runrev/

The filenames are self-explanatory.  I built the Windows standalone
based on the Mac stack as you see it.  I did some adjusting and was
messing around with property profiles to try to get a Mac and
a Windows
setup where there was enough space and proper alignment, but there
seems to be more to it than just that.
Note where the glyph in the Windows shot is being cutoff.  If
I turn a
grid plugin on in the editor on the mac, it shows that I have
a little
over 30 (THIRTY) pixels space between the top of the glyph
and the top
edge of the stack window.  As you can see, it is about equidistant to
the little control bundle at the bottom.  No matter how you slice it,
taking into account the menu area at the top (which is still
narrower,
as I understand, than what is shown) the Windows stack has
WAY too much
space between the glyph and the controls.  Trying to get them
to be in
the right place required almost placing the glyph field right
on top of
the controls.
What's up with this?  I knew there were some problems, but this is
enough to require having to go back and redo each element just so it
doesn't show up in a funky place - time consuming and contra
the write
once run anywhere purpose of having a multi-environment
builder.  Oddly
enough it looks like the controls are in the right place, but this
field is just out in space once it moves over to Windows.
Any hints/help on this?  I'm thinking of getting an Express
license to
clean up the UI on Windows but that just seems like  - well -
something
that I shouldn't have to do unless there's something hardcore
going on
- and this is just a single text field (and for 

Re: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

2004-02-06 Thread Dar Scott
On Friday, February 6, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote:

Here are the results of a test with Arial.
Here are my results in raw form (mentioned here last year, I think):

Here is some raw data of the formattedHeight and formattedWidth of the 
word Washington in different fonts and sizes on two platforms.

It looks like the mapping may be different depending on whether you 
want to match area or line spacing.  Or even line length.

OS X
textSize textHeight  Arial  Helvetica  Courier  Courier New
   8   1010X409X40  9X50   10X50
   9   1212X48   12X48 12X50   12X50
  10   1313X55   13X54 13X60   13X60
  11   1414X57   13X57 13X70   14X70
  12   1616X65   14X65 14X70   16X70
  13   1717X68   16X68 16X80   17X80
  14   1818X75   17X75 17X80   18X80
  15   2020X77   18X77 18X90   20X90
  16   2121X85   20X85 20X100  21X100
  17   2222X88   21X88 21X100  22X100
  18   2424X95   22X95 22X110  24X110
  19   2525X103  24X10324X110  25X110
  20   2626X105  25X10525X120  26X120
Windows XP
textSize textHeight  Arial  Helvetica  Courier  Courier New
   8   109X39  13X808X50
   9   12   10X40- 13X808X50
  10   13   10X49- 13X80   10X50
  11   14   12X55- 13X80   10X60
  12   16   14X66- 13X80   14X70
  13   17   14X66- 13X80   14X70
  14   18   16X69- 16X90   14X80
  15   20   17X78- 16X90   16X80
  16   21   18X87- 16X90   17X100
  17   22   18X87- 20X120  18X100
  18   24   21X95- 20X120  20X110
  19   25   24X102   --20X120  21X130
  20   26   24X111   --20X120  22X130
So for Arial...
OSX  Windows XP
8  9
10 11   (except for height)
12 14   (except for width)
I'm told that is all in differences in the fonts on different 
platforms.  Maybe so.  There might be some idiosyncrasies in the 
engine, too.

If you limit your mix of fonts and sizes, there might be some tricks 
you can do to make these the same in more cases.

Dar Scott

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Re: New to the Revolution, excited but confused aboutcross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

2004-02-06 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 2/7/04 12:06 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote:

Here are the results of a test with Arial.  Notice, oddly, that changing 
the field font to Arial also had a corresponding change to the font used 
in the control group...
Try setting the fixedlineheight property of the field to true and the 
setting a fairly high lineHeight value. (The lineHeight property 
corresponds to what printers call leading.) If the fixedlineheight is 
false, then characters do not always use the same leading across platforms.

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RE: New to the Revolution, excited but confused aboutcross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.

2004-02-06 Thread Chipp Walters
Just an idea...try playing around with the fixedlineheight property...

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