Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! You should know better; this is the Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev list. What you want is the How to Use Revolution list. ;-/ - Yesterday I wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not play ball with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these overstrike Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have fixed something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. I'll let you know if I figure anything out. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On 03/05/2010 18:52, Devin Asay wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I am reposting this as it seems to have got lost amongst the recent cruft. It actually concerns an aspect of RunRev programming! You should know better; this is the Rant and Rave About All Things Peripherally Related to Rev list. What you want is the How to Use Revolution list. ;-/ - Yesterday I wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. I tried to duplicate this problem on Mac and Windows XP (not having access to Vista) and was unable to. Luckily this chap managed to get hold of a machine running XP and has had no further problems. I would be extremely grateful if anybody has any ideas and/or advice regarding this problem, as it is a real problem. Obviously Vista does not play ball with Unicode fonts in RunRev in quite the same way that Mac and XP do. Odd that you just ran into this with Win 7. Because I just noticed exactly the same problem in Snow Leopard. I have a stack that lists Russian vocabulary words, which has an option of showing the stressed syllables using one of these overstrike Unicode characters. Specifically, I use an acute accent from the unicode 03 section (Diacriticals, Greek, Coptic), character 0x301, or decimal 769. It has the effect of placing the accent over the previous character. But suddenly, in Snow Leopard, what has worked perfectly in Leopard and earlier and Win XP now places the accent over the *following* character, which sounds just like what your Win 7 user is experiencing. So far this is just another data point that may help you figure out what's going on. I haven't come up with a solution yet. I do have a hunch, though. I wonder if both SnoLeo and Win 7 have fixed something in their unicode engines which slightly breaks Rev's unicode implementation. I'll let you know if I figure anything out. Regards, Devin Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: On May 3, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Thank you very much. The problem was spotted with Vista; I have had no feedback from a Win 7 user. Sorry. My mistake. Of course I knew you said Vista, but we're on the brink of a pending changeover to Win 7 in our Windows labs and I'm afraid I have 7 on the brain. :-p But that doesn't change the issue, does it? There may have been some change in the way both the Mac and Windows OS handle Unicode, which has rippled back into Rev's engine. Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? Devin I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at least 7000 times; how many of those are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was popping out upgrades every 2 days probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those downloads were by people who were curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, while being experts at Sanskrit are probably not well-versed in computers. The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and he has proven most informative and helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably comfortable with a PC). Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: I tried converting the Font from PC to Mac TTF but does not work for me! OS: Snow Leopard 10.6.2 Yes, I had the same issue. I downloaded the font and Devawriter would not recognize it. I assume it's because of Snow Leopards new font requirements. So, I converted the font from windows ttf to mac ttf and now it works. they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the Vista chap I don't know: I offered off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Unicode and Windows Vista (repost)
On May 3, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 03/05/2010 19:51, Devin Asay wrote: snip Do you know if any other of your Devawriter users are on SnoLeo, Vista or Win 7. If so, are they seeing the same issues? I do know that various versions of Devawriter have been downloaded at least 7000 times; how many of those are repeats I have no way of knowing; but considering at one time I was popping out upgrades every 2 days probably quite a few. I am absolutely sure the vast majority of those downloads were by people who were curious to see a 'funny' Indian writing system rather than having an interest in Sanskrit as such (let's face it, it is not everybody's cup of tea). Feedback has been thin; a few nice notes from Profs of Sanskrit who, while being experts at Sanskrit are probably not well-versed in computers. The chap using Vista is the first corresponding critic I have had, and he has proven most informative and helpful (especially as he is encoding a fairly large collection of his grandfather's Sanskrit poems, so knows what he is doing with the language as well as feeling reasonably comfortable with a PC). Initially there was some odd feedback on versiontracker: snip they are both from Snow Leopard users; whether they got as far as the Vista chap I don't know: I offered off-line correspondence to these 2 and have had nothing back. Interesting. I only recently switched to Snow Leopard. Out of curiosity I just downloaded Devawriter. (Beautifully done, by the way.) Unfortunately my knowledge of Sanskrit is nil, so I don't really know what I'm doing. However, I can report that Devawriter launched without a hitch. And I had no problem at all with the font; the Devanagari characters appear just as they are on the virtual keyboard. In addition, the vowel markings on the Vowels keyboard seem to insert themselves properly above or beneath the previous character. If you know exactly what problem your Vista user was, I'd like to try to duplicate it in SnoLeo. At the very least it might be possible to isolate it to Vista. Incidentally, what method are you using to type the unicode characters into the composition field? In my (much more static and rudimentary) Russian vocab tutor app, I resorted to using html unicode entities to switch accented characters off and on. Essentially I stored the original Cyrillic word lists as UTF8, with discrete acute accent chars as place markers for accented syllables. Something like this (hope the unicode comes through in email:) аспи´рант Then I would convert them to Unicode UTF 16 and store them in a field and grab the htmlText. After that I would do a straight replace of a #180; or a acute; with a #769;, a unicode char that's supposed to overtype the preceding character. My code to switch accents on and off looks like this: put the HTMLText of fld pFldName into htmlholder replace Lucida Grande with Geneva CY in htmlholder if the hilite of btn showstress of cd main then replace /fontacute; with #769;/font in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace #180; with #769; in htmlholder else replace acute; with in htmlholder ## Could be conditionally deleted if want to turn accents off replace #180; with in htmlholder replace #769; with in htmlholder end if Clunky-looking, I know. But until Snow Leopard it has worked perfectly, overtyping the preceding Cyrillic char with the acute accent. In SnoLeo it instead places the accent over the following char. When I saw your post I wondered if both your and my issues have the same root cause. Anyway, hope this might jog something in your brain or mine that could lead to a fix. Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
