Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are amazing. Bernard On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared host if it were. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Thanks for the pointer Bernard - any idea how that would compare with DreamHosts private servers? I certainly like the fact that you have datacentres in different continents with Linode! On 15 May 2010 11:36, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are amazing. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
But isn't it still 'shared' with other clients on the same machine? I was offered something like this by Dreamhost but I get such great service and speed with a regular account, why should I bother? To get at the kernal? On 15 May 2010 03:36, Bernard Devlin bdrun...@gmail.com wrote: Since the advent of services such as Slicehost or Linode, I'm surprised anyone bothers with shared hosting. Linode costs $20 a month, and you get to choose from a variety of different linux distributions. In my experience, the performance and support are amazing. Bernard On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared host if it were. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- - Stephen Barncard Back home in SF ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
My apology to the group for the snarky email response. When I read the response from Lyn to Richard's email I interpreted it as a response from RunRev on why they were no longer releasing revCGI updates. It appeared to me the reason that rev was not releasing updates was due to a concern about not being able to get the word about updates and such out to the community. I should have realized I was mis-reading the thread. My mistake. On May 14, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Michael Kann wrote: -- Sent last post too soon! -- Kee Nethery wrote: I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. Kee, Am I missing something obvious? If you control the machine then you can put the Rev engine on it. Usually the problem is the other way around. People want to use a commercial server but can't get the server people to let them upload the engine. Mike ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
On 14 May 2010 02:05, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Lyn Teyla wrote: revServer runs as an Apache module, not as CGI. I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared host if it were. I'd like to know as well - personally I fear ti will be worse than that and the revServer that you can install will be a complete integrated server that you will need you own dedicated server for - in which case it would be impossible to install on a shared host, and worse still pretty unlikely that existing hosting providers could be talked into installing it (which they might if it were an Apache module with appropriate security audit / certification). I don't know this to be the case - but nothing said so far publicly indicates anything other than the equivalent of a company could freely install it to run their own server. Or does anyone know anything different? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
On May 13, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: We were wondering if there are still plans to continue releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the future? If so, when should we be expecting the next release? Thanks in advance! Moments ago, I conceived a plan for porting my used-to-be-destined-for-the-iPad rev app to using Rev CGI. Please! I want to know too! t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Tereza Snyder wrote: On May 13, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: We were wondering if there are still plans to continue releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the future? If so, when should we be expecting the next release? Thanks in advance! Moments ago, I conceived a plan for porting my used-to-be-destined- for-the-iPad rev app to using Rev CGI. Please! I want to know too! Some of the enhancements to the merge function in the engine used at On-Rev are convenient, and the real-time debugging is indeed a great time-saver but AFAIK that was always slated to be exclusive to the On-Rev hosting config anyway. So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you looking for? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Richard Gaskin wrote: Some of the enhancements to the merge function in the engine used at On-Rev are convenient, and the real-time debugging is indeed a great time-saver but AFAIK that was always slated to be exclusive to the On-Rev hosting config anyway. So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you looking for? Our main concern is that any new features and bug fixes that are included with the Rev engine in the future (and quite a few are always listed with each revision as per the engine notes) would no longer be available to CGI scripters if v3.5 is going to be the last version of the CGI engine. At this time, v3.5 is indeed still rather up-to-date in terms of core engine features, since it does support the current major features such as multi-dimensional arrays and behaviors. However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available to the CGI folks. Lyn ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Lyn Teyla wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: So since the differences between the v3.5 Rev CGI engine we have and a new one would seem minimal, what specific features are you looking for? Our main concern is that any new features and bug fixes that are included with the Rev engine in the future (and quite a few are always listed with each revision as per the engine notes) would no longer be available to CGI scripters if v3.5 is going to be the last version of the CGI engine. At this time, v3.5 is indeed still rather up-to-date in terms of core engine features, since it does support the current major features such as multi-dimensional arrays and behaviors. However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available to the CGI folks. I never thought v3.5 would be the end of the line for the CGI, just that v4.0 was mostly about graphic enhancements that aren't relevant to CGI work anyway. During this interim the worst we face is a minor inconvenience in getting the v3.5 engine for use on our Linux servers for those who came on board with v4.0. In the short term it would be great if RunRev could post a link to that engine in some convenient place on their server. In the long term, things look even better - Mark Waddingham drops us some tasty hints of the future for RevServer in the latest edition of the newletter: Rev Advances on Desktop and Server http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue92/newsletter3.php?id=NW092S29875 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
On May 14, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available to the CGI folks. Sounds like it would be useful to have some kind of Check for Updates... kind of functionality in the development environment in case the Rev engine were to be updated. :-) I wonder if that kind of Check for Updates ... functionality could be built into the Development environment to handle the concerns you have raised? :-) I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. Kee Nethery___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com wrote: From: Kee Nethery k...@kagi.com Subject: Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)? To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 6:37 PM On May 14, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Lyn Teyla wrote: However, if future versions of the Rev engine were to include similarly important features, or say a crucial memory leak bug fix, it would be good to know if these will be made available to the CGI folks. Sounds like it would be useful to have some kind of Check for Updates... kind of functionality in the development environment in case the Rev engine were to be updated. :-) I wonder if that kind of Check for Updates ... functionality could be built into the Development environment to handle the concerns you have raised? :-) I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. Kee Nethery___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
-- Sent last post too soon! -- Kee Nethery wrote: I know that given the privacy concerns of our business, we cannot use the Rev engine hosted on a machine that we do not control. Kee, Am I missing something obvious? If you control the machine then you can put the Rev engine on it. Usually the problem is the other way around. People want to use a commercial server but can't get the server people to let them upload the engine. Mike ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Will revCGI be made available (not just revServer)?
Lyn Teyla wrote: revServer runs as an Apache module, not as CGI. I don't believe it's an Apache module. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but when I asked if it was a module per se I was told it was not. That's a good thing, IMO, since it would be next to impossible to install it on a shared host if it were. However, some of us prefer to utilize the CGI engine for a number of reasons, e.g.: * ability to run CGIs as shell scripts * CGIs work with all web servers, not just Apache Even though the CGI engine has existed through many versions of Rev since v1, it has not been released from v4.0 onwards. We were wondering if there are still plans to continue releasing the CGI engine (not just revServer) in the future? It would be nice to keep it current, but there's little in v4.0 that's not in v3.5 that would be useful in a CGI. But it sure would be nice if RunRev put a link to the v3.5 Linux runtime engine on their site so folks could find it easier. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
