Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-11 Thread Terry Judd
I'm a little late on this but...
Setting the style of the no-titlebar stack to modeless will also get it to
show up in the taskbar. Provided you don't need to edit anything in the
window you should be OK.

Terry...

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Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread mfstuart

Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?

Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
with the dragging the mouse while down.

The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
just don't know how to approach this issue.

Anyone with help on this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread Derek Bump
Hello Mark,

The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
Revolution.

I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:

set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]

But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.

Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
a normal window would.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


mfstuart wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
 I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
 problem. (thanx to this forum)
 
 Q1.
 But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
 application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
 get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
 Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
 
 Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
 works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
 mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
 with the dragging the mouse while down.
 
 The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
 now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
 just don't know how to approach this issue.
 
 Anyone with help on this?
 
 Thanx,
 Mark Stuart
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread mfstuart

Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.

So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
is a ligit process on Windows.

I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
went.




Derek Bump-2 wrote:
 
 Hello Mark,
 
 The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
 as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
 Revolution.
 
 I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
 (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
 enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
 vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:
 
 set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]
 
 But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.
 
 Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
 resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
 window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
 created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
 a normal window would.
 
 
 Derek Bump
 Dreamscape Software
 http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
 
 
 mfstuart wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
 2.8.1).
 I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
 problem. (thanx to this forum)
 
 Q1.
 But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
 application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
 get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
 Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
 
 Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack -
 which
 works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user
 to
 mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that
 way,
 with the dragging the mouse while down.
 
 The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack
 and
 now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
 just don't know how to approach this issue.
 
 Anyone with help on this?
 
 Thanx,
 Mark Stuart
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread Stephen Barncard

Mark, I don't know if you can see this, but your posts show up twice.


Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.

So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
is a ligit process on Windows.

I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
went.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart


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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread Derek Bump
Mark,

Hopefully... I would suggest that you either add that to the enhancement
request, or create a new one for such a feature (Ex: set the
altTabVisible of this stack to [true|false]).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


mfstuart wrote:
 Thanx for the update/how-to Derek. I've put my vote in.
 
 So I assume if this is added by RunRev, it will make the application appear
 on the taskbar and therefore appear in the list of applications using the
 Alt-Tab? After all, it appears in the Windows Task Manager as an exe. So it
 is a ligit process on Windows.
 
 I'll apply your suggestion with the buttons tonite and let you know how it
 went.
 
 Thanx,
 Mark Stuart
 
 
 
 Derek Bump-2 wrote:
 Hello Mark,

 The issue you are describing with Question #1 is the intended behavior,
 as a window with no decorations (title bar) is considered transient by
 Revolution.

 I originally felt this was a bug, and filed Report #3935
 (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3935).  It's now an
 enhancement request, and if you really want it implemented, you need to
 vote for it.  What I'm hoping for is the following:

 set the taskBarButton of this stack to [true|false]

 But that won't happen unless more people vote for the enhancement.

 Regarding Question #2, it sounds like you want to make every window edge
 resizeable.  The way I tacked the issue was to create 4 buttons for each
 window border that each resized the window side appropriately.  Then I
 created 4 more buttons to fill in the corners so each corner resizes as
 a normal window would.


 Derek Bump
 Dreamscape Software
 http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


 mfstuart wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
 2.8.1).
 I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
 problem. (thanx to this forum)

 Q1.
 But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
 application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
 get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
 Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.

 Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack -
 which
 works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user
 to
 mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that
 way,
 with the dragging the mouse while down.

 The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack
 and
 now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
 just don't know how to approach this issue.

 Anyone with help on this?

 Thanx,
 Mark Stuart
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread Peter T. Evensen
What you can do is set put the title bar back on the window and set the 
windowShape to a graphic the size of the window.  When a window's 
windowShape is set, you won't see the title bar, but it will now show up 
in the alt-tab list (and the task bar at the bottom).


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mfstuart wrote:

Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?

Q2. I have a resize-button in the bottom right of the window/stack - which
works great (thanx to this forum), but would also like to allow the user to
mouse-over the edge of the window/stack and allow them to resize that way,
with the dragging the mouse while down.

The whole issue here is that I have removed the Title bar of the stack and
now I have to do all this extra work for resizing. This is not a problem,
just don't know how to approach this issue.

Anyone with help on this?

Thanx,
Mark Stuart
  


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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread Derek Bump
This will work for windows that *don't* need to be resized.

If you set the windowShape to a graphic and then resize the window, you
will need to re-size the graphic dynamically and then re-set the
windowShape.

Basically you get a flashing window that resizes so poorly that you're
better off sticking with Window's built in UI.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


Peter T. Evensen wrote:
 What you can do is set put the title bar back on the window and set the
 windowShape to a graphic the size of the window.  When a window's
 windowShape is set, you won't see the title bar, but it will now show up
 in the alt-tab list (and the task bar at the bottom).
 
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

mfstuart wrote:

Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev 2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.


One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.


When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
will bring your substack to the front.


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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread mfstuart

Hi Jacqueline,
Might there be some kind of delay doing it this way?
Any case, I'll give it a try.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



J. Landman Gay wrote:
 
 mfstuart wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
 2.8.1).
 I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
 problem. (thanx to this forum)
 
 Q1.
 But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
 application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
 get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
 Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
 
 One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
 name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
 substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
 current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
 resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.
 
 When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
 displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
 will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
 will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
 briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
 will bring your substack to the front.
 
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Re: Titlebar-less application question

2007-09-10 Thread J. Landman Gay

mfstuart wrote:

Hi Jacqueline,
Might there be some kind of delay doing it this way?


No, shouldn't be. Your mainstack will be very tiny, completely empty 
except for a small stack script with a few handlers in it. You shouldn't 
even notice it is there.




Any case, I'll give it a try.

Thanx,
Mark Stuart



J. Landman Gay wrote:

mfstuart wrote:

Hi all,

I've created an application with no title bar, for WINXP (using Rev
2.8.1).
I've added a handler for the user to drag the window/stack around - no
problem. (thanx to this forum)

Q1.
But when I use the Alt-Tab to switch application, I do not see the
application in the dialog of open applications. Anyone know what to do to
get the application to appear in the list of open applications?
Also, I don't see the application on the task bar.
One workaround for this is to create a normal, toplevel window with the 
name of your app and make it the mainstack. Make your current stack a 
substack of this one. Put a script into the mainstack that goes to your 
current stack on every event that matters: openstack, resume, 
resumestack, etc. Place the mainstack somewhere offscreen.


When your standalone opens, the mainstack with the correct name will be 
displayed in all the usual Windows places. But as soon as it opens, it 
will go to the substack, which is the one you want to display. The same 
will happen if you click the name in the taskbar; your mainstack will 
briefly come to the front (but offscreen) and as soon as it resumes, it 
will bring your substack to the front.


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