Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Thomas McGrath III]

I would love to beta test your external.

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On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Bernard Devlin]

I'd be happy to help.

Bernard

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> Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Shao Sean]

Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one?
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Klaus on-rev]

Am 29.01.2010 um 00:59 schrieb Sarah Reichelt:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
>> Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> ...
> And yes, I can confirm that the issue definitely still exists in Rev
> 4.5.0-dp-1 at least under Windows XP. This app that I am working on
> cannot be released for Windows in it's current state. It may be only
> cosmetic, but it looks very bad.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah

I can confirm this is still present with Rev 4.5 dp1 on Windows 7!


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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Shao Sean  wrote:
> Have you tried setting the unicodeTitle of the stack window?

Yes, and that doesn't work either.

I finally solved it by using Scott's suggestion and putting the player
into a separate stack but this is a very kludgy work-around, so the
problem really needs to be fixed.

Mark W. reported that he had fixed it for Rev 3.0 but here we are in
4.5 and it's still a problem, so if he did fix it, the fix got
lost

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

Cheers,
Sarah
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AW: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

I just don't have a machine on hand, which reproduces the problem, perhaps
somebody else can check?

In my case it is a videoplayer, which I can't switch easily to a substack
without bigger redesign...

Tiemo

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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Shao Sean]

Have you tried setting the unicodeTitle of the stack window?
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>
> Sarah, I was never able to find a workaround for this.  I was able to get
> past it by using a custom titlebar (this was by design for the project, so
> it worked out OK) but this is by no means a solution.
>
> The one hack that was proposed which seemed to have some merit was to
> display the video in a separate decoration-less palette stack at the
> intended player location above the main stack.  I believe on Windows the
> moveStack message is sent while dragging a standard window, so you could
> account for users dragging the main stack and reposition the video stack
> simultaneously.  Of course, minimizing the main stack will present some
> challenges.   Had I needed to deliver my app with standard system
> decorations, I probably would have gone this route.
>
> I haven't had a chance to play with Rev 4.5 but if the title issue is still
> present, I fully agree that this a major issue and needs to be dealt with
> ASAP.  I don't see how anyone can take an app seriously that can't even
> display its own name properly.


Thanks Scott.

The player is actually just a music player and it is off-screen, so
maybe I will be able to move it into an invisible sub-stack.

And yes, I can confirm that the issue definitely still exists in Rev
4.5.0-dp-1 at least under Windows XP. This app that I am working on
cannot be released for Windows in it's current state. It may be only
cosmetic, but it looks very bad.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Sarah Reichelt]

Thanks Chris, this was in one of the bug reports and I did try in, but
not in a startup handler, so I'll give it a go there.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Chris Sheffield  wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> I believe this is the workaround we used:
>
>        set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
>
> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in 
> the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and 
> I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. 
> It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing 
> support directly.
>
> Anyway, hope it helps.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>>
>> For further details see:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
>>
>> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
>> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
>>
>> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
>> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
>> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
>> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
>> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
>> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
>> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
>>
>> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
>> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
>> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
>> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
>>
>>
>> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
>> Sarah
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AW: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Chris,

I tried this workaround a year ago and it helped indeed on some machines,
but not on all(weired!), so I didn't used it.
Tiemo

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> Betreff: Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
> 
> I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup handler.
> Not sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have it in
> preOpenStack as well.
> 
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sarah,
> >
> > I believe this is the workaround we used:
> >
> > set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
> >
> > I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be
> documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an
> undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means.
> Sorry for being rather vague. It's also possible that this line of code
> came to me as a result of emailing support directly.
> >
> > Anyway, hope it helps.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> >> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> >> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> >> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> >> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> >> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> >> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> >> problems.
> >>
> >> For further details see:
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> >>
> >> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> >> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> >>
> >> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> >> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> >> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> >> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> >> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> >> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> >> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> >>
> >> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> >> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> >> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> >> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> >>
> >>
> >> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> >> Sarah
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Richard Gaskin]

Chris Sheffield wrote:
> I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup
> handler. Not sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have
> it in preOpenStack as well.
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>> Hi Sarah,
>>
>> I believe this is the workaround we used:
>>
>>set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
>>
>> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might
>> be documented in the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this
>> is an undocumented property, and I'm not entirely sure what
>> the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. It's also
>> possible that this line of code came to me as a result of
>> emailing support directly.

It's in


Leading us to two questions:

1. What is revruntimebehaviour?  What happens if we set it to 5? or 100? 
 Or ?


2. If this is easily rectified with a one-line call to a global 
property, couldn't this be done in the engine sometime in the last four 
releases since it was reported?


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AW: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Sarah,

One of those QCC reports was opened by me I think almost one and a half
years ago and it really is annoying that nothing happens. Selling a
professional software without a title really looks unprofessional,
especially, when minimizing to the task bar

In my case I actually experienced another issue. Not that the title was
truncated to only one char, but that the title was completely corrupted to
wired signs. My only solution was to use a title of just one single char,
which wasn't corrupted.

What it made still more complicated was, that I couldn't reproduce that bug
on none of my machines and so always had to ask other people to do testing
for me.

Perhaps we need more votings on 6235 or the owner of this thread has to
change the priority?

Thanks
Tiemo
 

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> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 11:21
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Windows title reduced to a single character
> 
> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.
> 
> For further details see:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> 
> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> 
> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> 
> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> 
> 
> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> Sarah
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Chris Sheffield]

I failed to mention that I have this line of code in my startup handler. Not 
sure if that's required or not. Might be okay to have it in preOpenStack as 
well.

On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> 
> I believe this is the workaround we used:
> 
>   set the revruntimebehaviour to 4
> 
> I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in 
> the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and 
> I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. 
> It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing 
> support directly.
> 
> Anyway, hope it helps.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
>> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
>> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
>> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
>> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
>> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
>> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
>> problems.
>> 
>> For further details see:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
>> 
>> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
>> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
>> 
>> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
>> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
>> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
>> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
>> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
>> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
>> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
>> 
>> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
>> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
>> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
>> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
>> 
>> 
>> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
>> Sarah
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Chris Sheffield]

Hi Sarah,

I believe this is the workaround we used:

set the revruntimebehaviour to 4

I honestly don't remember the details behind this. It might be documented in 
the bug ticket (7290 or 6343). I think this is an undocumented property, and 
I'm not entirely sure what the value 4 means. Sorry for being rather vague. 
It's also possible that this line of code came to me as a result of emailing 
support directly.

Anyway, hope it helps.

Chris


On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.
> 
> For further details see:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290
> 
> Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
> looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.
> 
> Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
> to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
> title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
> certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
> fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
> setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
> the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.
> 
> If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
> or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
> supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
> supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.
> 
> 
> Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
> Sarah
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Re: Windows title reduced to a single character

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
> title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
> player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
> moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
> Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
> happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
> app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
> problems.

Sarah, I was never able to find a workaround for this.  I was able to get
past it by using a custom titlebar (this was by design for the project, so
it worked out OK) but this is by no means a solution.

The one hack that was proposed which seemed to have some merit was to
display the video in a separate decoration-less palette stack at the
intended player location above the main stack.  I believe on Windows the
moveStack message is sent while dragging a standard window, so you could
account for users dragging the main stack and reposition the video stack
simultaneously.  Of course, minimizing the main stack will present some
challenges.   Had I needed to deliver my app with standard system
decorations, I probably would have gone this route.

I haven't had a chance to play with Rev 4.5 but if the title issue is still
present, I fully agree that this a major issue and needs to be dealt with
ASAP.  I don't see how anyone can take an app seriously that can't even
display its own name properly.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Windows title reduced to a single character

[Sarah Reichelt]

Has anyone managed to find a work-around to the problem with a stack's
title being reduced to a single character under Windows, if there is a
player on the card? This is proving a real blocker for me at the
moment, despite several bug reports, one of which says it was fixed in
Rev 3.0. I'm using Rev 4.0 and a pre-release of Rev 4.5 and it's still
happening there. So far the only solution I have found is to build the
app using Rev 2.8 which seems a bit ridiculous and causes other
problems.

For further details see:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6235
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6343
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7290

Basically, it means that it is impossible to deploy a professional
looking standalone under Windows if it uses a player.

Checking the archives of this list, I see that Scott Rossi was reduced
to trying to place a sub-stack over the title bar so as to fake the
title of the stack but I don't know if that was successful. It
certainly seems rather extreme for a problem that has supposedly been
fixed. Mark Waddingham's work-around, suggested in September 2008, of
setting the revRuntimeBehaviour to 4 does not work, at least not in
the versions of Rev that I have tested. Maybe it worked in Rev 3.

If this cannot be fixed, then I suggest that it be noted in the docs
or on the web site that player objects are not fully implemented or
supported under Windows. And there will then need to be an alternative
supplied that will do the same job for Windows apps.


Miffed having spent hours wrestling with this problem,
Sarah
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