Novice Issue

2007-06-22 Thread paksegu
I have read you comments which stems across cultural, education, I agree on 
with the issue of having choices which means there has to be a change in they 
way we teach in college, supposingly you got to a college and with whatever 
arrangement they made with company xyz you do come out knowing just xyz 
products and your skills may or may not be applicable to company abc. From the 
Novice point of view there he didnt have any choice but to adapt

Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sorry if this offends, but this 
post made me *really* unhappy.

On 6/21/07, paksegu 
wrote:
 Frankly is becoming difficult for us novice to master, is there any way we 
 can just stick to one tool, one framework that we would be able to acomplish 
 everything in the java ee stack?

Many companies would very much like you to believe the answer to your
question is sure ... here's my XYZ framework and it will do
everything you could ever want. If you like following the crowd,
that's a reasonable path. If you want to believe that the authors of
framework XYZ, BigCompany ABC (whatever their actual name is) does
*not* know everything about what *you* need (or, more likely, doesn't
care at all), then you need to take the responsibility to decide for
yourself what the correct path is.

Do you *really* want one framework in this particular use case? If
so, what's the difference between that and having one company
deciding what software you should run on your PC (or even your
personal music player), or one government deciding what is right
and what is wrong (even if your personal morality or religion teaches
differently)? Or even one viewpoint deciding which color of skin is
socially acceptable, and which should be exterminated (in the
generation of my parents, this was most apparent in Europe ... but it
is depressingly common in Africa today)?

This may sound like hyperbole, but these viewpoints are connected.
Take some responsibility for your own world view ... please! The
issues are *much* more important than whether *you* have to learn one
technology or many, and then choose between them. In the real world,
there is *no* such thing as the one right answer to all problems in
a particular domain -- the earlier you understand this reality, the
more productive you will be in your career (because there *are*
intelligent organizations, in every part of the globe, that reward
clear thinking over lemming-like behavior), and the more valuable will
be your contributions to your own culture, and to humanity as a whole.

Craig McClanahan


   
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Re: Novice Issue

2007-06-22 Thread Matthew Tyson

If someone built a framework which did everything well then people would be
using it.  The attempt has been made to create one tool to rule them all,
and it just turns out that numerous groups working concurrently produce more
effective solutions.

If you do want a 'top-down' approach, then there is .NET.  Although I hope
you don't do that, because the 'bottom-up' open source path is more
interesting and dynamic.

Regards,

Matt Tyson

On 6/22/07, paksegu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have read you comments which stems across cultural, education, I agree
on with the issue of having choices which means there has to be a change in
they way we teach in college, supposingly you got to a college and with
whatever arrangement they made with company xyz you do come out knowing just
xyz products and your skills may or may not be applicable to company abc.
From the Novice point of view there he didnt have any choice but to adapt

Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sorry if this offends, but
this post made me *really* unhappy.

On 6/21/07, paksegu
wrote:
 Frankly is becoming difficult for us novice to master, is there any way
we can just stick to one tool, one framework that we would be able to
acomplish everything in the java ee stack?

Many companies would very much like you to believe the answer to your
question is sure ... here's my XYZ framework and it will do
everything you could ever want. If you like following the crowd,
that's a reasonable path. If you want to believe that the authors of
framework XYZ, BigCompany ABC (whatever their actual name is) does
*not* know everything about what *you* need (or, more likely, doesn't
care at all), then you need to take the responsibility to decide for
yourself what the correct path is.

Do you *really* want one framework in this particular use case? If
so, what's the difference between that and having one company
deciding what software you should run on your PC (or even your
personal music player), or one government deciding what is right
and what is wrong (even if your personal morality or religion teaches
differently)? Or even one viewpoint deciding which color of skin is
socially acceptable, and which should be exterminated (in the
generation of my parents, this was most apparent in Europe ... but it
is depressingly common in Africa today)?

This may sound like hyperbole, but these viewpoints are connected.
Take some responsibility for your own world view ... please! The
issues are *much* more important than whether *you* have to learn one
technology or many, and then choose between them. In the real world,
there is *no* such thing as the one right answer to all problems in
a particular domain -- the earlier you understand this reality, the
more productive you will be in your career (because there *are*
intelligent organizations, in every part of the globe, that reward
clear thinking over lemming-like behavior), and the more valuable will
be your contributions to your own culture, and to humanity as a whole.

Craig McClanahan



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