subject:"Re\: Limit pyspark.daemon threads"

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-16 Thread agateaaa

There is only one executor on each worker. I see one pyspark.daemon, but
when the streaming jobs starts a batch I see that it spawns 4 other
pyspark.daemon processes. After the batch completes, the 4 pyspark.demon
processes die and there is only one left.

I think this behavior was introduced by this change JIRA
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-2764 where pyspark.daemon was
revamped.



On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Jeff Zhang  wrote:

> >>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have
> set spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch
> starts processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase
> gradually to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each
> pyspark.daemon takes up around 100 % CPU)
> >>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we
> are left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage
> for executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core
> is set to 1
>
>
> As my understanding, each spark task consume at most 1 python process.  In
> this case (spark.executor.cores=1), there should be only at most 1 python
> process for each executor. And here's 4 python processes, I suspect there's
> at least 4 executors on this machine. Could you check that ?
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Sudhir Babu Pothineni <
> sbpothin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ken, It may be also related to Grid Engine job scheduling? If it is 16
>> core (virtual cores?), grid engine allocates 16 slots, If you use 'max'
>> scheduling, it will send 16 processes sequentially to same machine, on the
>> top of it each spark job has its own executors. Limit the number of jobs
>> scheduled to the machine = number of physical cores of single CPU, it will
>> solve the problem if it is related to GE. If you are sure it's related to
>> Spark, please ignore.
>>
>> -Sudhir
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Gene Pang  wrote:
>>
>> As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory,
>> and you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to
>> run Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help:
>> http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Gene
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
>>> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
>>> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
>>> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
>>> takes up around 100 % CPU)
>>>
>>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we
>>> are left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage
>>> for executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core
>>> is set to 1
>>>
>>> e.g. top output
>>> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>>> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
>>> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>>>
>>> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
>>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18
>>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25
>>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72
>>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38
>>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that
>>> get spawned ?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Agateaaa
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Ken,

 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an
 off-heap storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have
 no experience however.)

 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
 happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
 size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
 disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
 relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
 are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
 there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
 conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
 sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
 meaning less data is processed at a time).

 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
 spark.executor.cores. I've not expe

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread Jeff Zhang

>>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have
set spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch
starts processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase
gradually to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each
pyspark.daemon takes up around 100 % CPU)
>>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we
are left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage
for executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core
is set to 1


As my understanding, each spark task consume at most 1 python process.  In
this case (spark.executor.cores=1), there should be only at most 1 python
process for each executor. And here's 4 python processes, I suspect there's
at least 4 executors on this machine. Could you check that ?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Sudhir Babu Pothineni <
sbpothin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken, It may be also related to Grid Engine job scheduling? If it is 16
> core (virtual cores?), grid engine allocates 16 slots, If you use 'max'
> scheduling, it will send 16 processes sequentially to same machine, on the
> top of it each spark job has its own executors. Limit the number of jobs
> scheduled to the machine = number of physical cores of single CPU, it will
> solve the problem if it is related to GE. If you are sure it's related to
> Spark, please ignore.
>
> -Sudhir
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Gene Pang  wrote:
>
> As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory,
> and you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to
> run Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help:
> http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html
>
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
>> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
>> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
>> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
>> takes up around 100 % CPU)
>>
>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we
>> are left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage
>> for executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core
>> is set to 1
>>
>> e.g. top output
>> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
>> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>>
>> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that
>> get spawned ?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Agateaaa
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ken,
>>>
>>> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an
>>> off-heap storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have
>>> no experience however.)
>>>
>>> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
>>> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
>>> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
>>> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
>>> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
>>> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
>>> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
>>> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
>>> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
>>> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>>>
>>> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
>>> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked
>>> at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my
>>> understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very
>>> helpful to others, too.
>>>
>>> One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame
>>> API. Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump
>>> into fewer Python resource contention issues.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Sven
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken >> > wrote:
>>>
 This is extremely helpful!

 I’ll h

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread Sudhir Babu Pothineni

Hi Ken, It may be also related to Grid Engine job scheduling? If it is 16 core 
(virtual cores?), grid engine allocates 16 slots, If you use 'max' scheduling, 
it will send 16 processes sequentially to same machine, on the top of it each 
spark job has its own executors. Limit the number of jobs scheduled to the 
machine = number of physical cores of single CPU, it will solve the problem if 
it is related to GE. If you are sure it's related to Spark, please ignore.

-Sudhir


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Gene Pang  wrote:
> 
> As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory, and 
> you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to run 
> Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help: 
> http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html
> 
> Thanks,
> Gene
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set 
>> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts 
>> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually 
>> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon 
>> takes up around 100 % CPU) 
>> 
>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we are 
>> left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage for 
>> executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core is set 
>> to 1
>> 
>> e.g. top output
>> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33 
>> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>> 
>> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17 python 
>> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18 python 
>> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25 python 
>> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72 python 
>> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38 python 
>> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get 
>> spawned ?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Agateaaa
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>> Hey Ken,
>>> 
>>> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap 
>>> storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no 
>>> experience however.)
>>> 
>>> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What 
>>> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process 
>>> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to 
>>> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're 
>>> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects 
>>> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure 
>>> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM 
>>> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make 
>>> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions 
>>> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>>> 
>>> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting 
>>> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked 
>>> at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my 
>>> understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very 
>>> helpful to others, too.
>>> 
>>> One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame API. 
>>> Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump into 
>>> fewer Python resource contention issues.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> -Sven
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken  
 wrote:
 This is extremely helpful!
 
 I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should be 
 adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped it 
 up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient memory 
 for the python processes. 
 
 So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly: 
 
 JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is 
 where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of those values are set to 90GB
 spark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task can take 
 maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GB
 spark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist and thus 
 indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist
 
 I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by 
 implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread agateaaa

Yes have set spark.cores.max to 3. I have three worker nodes in my spark
cluster (standalone mode), and spark.executor.cores is set to 1.  On each
worker node whenever the streaming application runs, I see 4 pyspark.daemon
processes get spawned. Each pyspark.daemon process takes up approx 1 CPU
causing 4 CPU's getting utilized on each worker node.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:51 PM, David Newberger <
david.newber...@wandcorp.com> wrote:

> Have you tried setting spark.cores.max
>
> “When running on a standalone deploy cluster
> <http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/spark-standalone.html> or a Mesos
> cluster in "coarse-grained" sharing mode
> <http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/running-on-mesos.html#mesos-run-modes>,
> the maximum amount of CPU cores to request for the application from across
> the cluster (not from each machine). If not set, the default will be
> spark.deploy.defaultCores on Spark's standalone cluster manager, or
> infinite (all available cores) on Mesos.”
>
>
>
> *David Newberger*
>
>
>
> *From:* agateaaa [mailto:agate...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:39 PM
> *To:* Gene Pang
> *Cc:* Sven Krasser; Carlile, Ken; user
> *Subject:* Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads
>
>
>
> Thx Gene! But my concern is with CPU usage not memory. I want to see if
> there is anyway to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get
> spawned. We have some restriction on number of CPU's we can use on a node,
> and number of pyspark.daemon processes that get created dont seem to honor
> spark.executor.cores property setting
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Gene Pang  wrote:
>
> As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory,
> and you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to
> run Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help:
> http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
> takes up around 100 % CPU)
>
> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we are
> left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage for
> executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core is
> set to 1
>
> e.g. top output
> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>
> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38 python
> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>
>
>
> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that
> get spawned ?
>
> Thank you
>
> Agateaaa
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>
> Hey Ken,
>
>
>
> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap
> storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no
> experience however.)
>
>
>
> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>
>
>
> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and

RE: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread David Newberger

Have you tried setting spark.cores.max

“When running on a standalone deploy 
cluster<http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/spark-standalone.html> or a Mesos 
cluster in "coarse-grained" sharing 
mode<http://spark.apache.org/docs/latest/running-on-mesos.html#mesos-run-modes>,
 the maximum amount of CPU cores to request for the application from across the 
cluster (not from each machine). If not set, the default will 
bespark.deploy.defaultCores on Spark's standalone cluster manager, or infinite 
(all available cores) on Mesos.”

David Newberger

From: agateaaa [mailto:agate...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:39 PM
To: Gene Pang
Cc: Sven Krasser; Carlile, Ken; user
Subject: Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

Thx Gene! But my concern is with CPU usage not memory. I want to see if there 
is anyway to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get spawned. 
We have some restriction on number of CPU's we can use on a node, and number of 
pyspark.daemon processes that get created dont seem to honor 
spark.executor.cores property setting
Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Gene Pang 
mailto:gene.p...@gmail.com>> wrote:
As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory, and 
you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to run 
Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help: 
http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html

Thanks,
Gene

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa 
mailto:agate...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set 
spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts 
processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually to 
about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon takes 
up around 100 % CPU)
After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we are left 
with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage for executor 
process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core is set to 1
e.g. top output
PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33 /usr/lib/j+ 
<--EXECUTOR

13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17 python -m 
+ <--pyspark.daemon
13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18 python -m 
+ <--pyspark.daemon
14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25 python -m 
+ <--pyspark.daemon
14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72 python -m 
+ <--pyspark.daemon
14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38 python -m + 
<--pyspark.daemon


Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get 
spawned ?
Thank you
Agateaaa

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser 
mailto:kras...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hey Ken,

1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap 
storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no experience 
however.)

2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What happens 
is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process size. If 
the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to disk. I've seen 
many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're relying on Python's 
memory management to free up space again once objects are evicted. In practice, 
leave this setting reasonably small but make sure there's enough free memory on 
the machine so you don't run into OOM conditions. If the lower memory setting 
causes strains for your users, make sure they increase the parallelism of their 
jobs (smaller partitions meaning less data is processed at a time).

3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting 
spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked at 
that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my understanding. 
Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very helpful to others, 
too.

One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame API. 
Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump into 
fewer Python resource contention issues.

Best,
-Sven


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken 
mailto:carli...@janelia.hhmi.org>> wrote:
This is extremely helpful!

I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should be 
adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped it up in 
the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient memory for the 
python processes.

So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:


  *   JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is 
wher

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread agateaaa

Thx Gene! But my concern is with CPU usage not memory. I want to see if
there is anyway to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get
spawned. We have some restriction on number of CPU's we can use on a node,
and number of pyspark.daemon processes that get created dont seem to honor
spark.executor.cores property setting

Thanks!

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Gene Pang  wrote:

> As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory,
> and you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to
> run Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help:
> http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html
>
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
>> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
>> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
>> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
>> takes up around 100 % CPU)
>>
>> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we
>> are left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage
>> for executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core
>> is set to 1
>>
>> e.g. top output
>> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
>> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
>> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>>
>> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38
>> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that
>> get spawned ?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Agateaaa
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ken,
>>>
>>> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an
>>> off-heap storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have
>>> no experience however.)
>>>
>>> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
>>> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
>>> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
>>> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
>>> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
>>> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
>>> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
>>> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
>>> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
>>> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>>>
>>> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
>>> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked
>>> at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my
>>> understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very
>>> helpful to others, too.
>>>
>>> One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame
>>> API. Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump
>>> into fewer Python resource contention issues.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Sven
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken >> > wrote:
>>>
 This is extremely helpful!

 I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should
 be adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped
 it up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient
 memory for the python processes.

 So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:


- JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or
SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of 
 those
values are set to 90GB
- spark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task
can take maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GB
- spark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist
and thus indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist


 I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by
 implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns of the spark
 cluster work as far as failed workers.

 Thanks again,
 —Ken

 On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:

 My underst

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-15 Thread Gene Pang

As Sven mentioned, you can use Alluxio to store RDDs in off-heap memory,
and you can then share that RDD across different jobs. If you would like to
run Spark on Alluxio, this documentation can help:
http://www.alluxio.org/documentation/master/en/Running-Spark-on-Alluxio.html

Thanks,
Gene

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:44 AM, agateaaa  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
> spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
> processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
> to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
> takes up around 100 % CPU)
>
> After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we are
> left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage for
> executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core is
> set to 1
>
> e.g. top output
> PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
> 19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
> /usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR
>
> 13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72
> python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
> 14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38 python
> -m + <--pyspark.daemon
>
>
>
> Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that
> get spawned ?
>
> Thank you
> Agateaaa
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>
>> Hey Ken,
>>
>> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap
>> storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no
>> experience however.)
>>
>> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
>> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
>> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
>> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
>> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
>> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
>> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
>> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
>> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
>> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>>
>> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
>> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked
>> at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my
>> understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very
>> helpful to others, too.
>>
>> One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame
>> API. Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump
>> into fewer Python resource contention issues.
>>
>> Best,
>> -Sven
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is extremely helpful!
>>>
>>> I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should
>>> be adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped
>>> it up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient
>>> memory for the python processes.
>>>
>>> So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:
>>>
>>>
>>>- JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or
>>>SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of 
>>> those
>>>values are set to 90GB
>>>- spark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task
>>>can take maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GB
>>>- spark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist
>>>and thus indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by
>>> implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns of the spark
>>> cluster work as far as failed workers.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> —Ken
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the spark.executor.cores setting controls the
>>> number of worker threads in the executor in the JVM. Each worker thread
>>> communicates then with a pyspark daemon process (these are not threads) to
>>> stream data into Python. There should be one daemon process per worker
>>> thread (but as I mentioned I sometimes see a low multiple).
>>>
>>> Your 4GB limit for Python is fairly high, that means even for 12 workers
>>> you're looking at a max of 48GB (and it goes frequently beyond that). You
>>>

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-06-14 Thread agateaaa

Hi,

I am seeing this issue too with pyspark (Using Spark 1.6.1).  I have set
spark.executor.cores to 1, but I see that whenever streaming batch starts
processing data, see python -m pyspark.daemon processes increase gradually
to about 5, (increasing CPU% on a box about 4-5 times, each pyspark.daemon
takes up around 100 % CPU)

After the processing is done 4 pyspark.daemon processes go away and we are
left with one till the next batch run. Also sometimes the  CPU usage for
executor process spikes to about 800% even though spark.executor.core is
set to 1

e.g. top output
PID USER  PR   NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S   %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
19634 spark 20   0 8871420 1.790g  32056 S 814.1  2.9   0:39.33
/usr/lib/j+ <--EXECUTOR

13897 spark 20   0   46576  17916   6720 S   100.0  0.0   0:00.17
python -m + <--pyspark.daemon
13991 spark 20   0   46524  15572   4124 S   98.0  0.0   0:08.18 python
-m + <--pyspark.daemon
14488 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   98.0  0.0   0:07.25 python
-m + <--pyspark.daemon
14514 spark 20   0   46524  15636   4188 S   94.0  0.0   0:06.72 python
-m + <--pyspark.daemon
14526 spark 20   0   48200  17172   4092 S   0.0  0.0   0:00.38 python
-m + <--pyspark.daemon



Is there any way to control the number of pyspark.daemon processes that get
spawned ?

Thank you
Agateaaa

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Sven Krasser  wrote:

> Hey Ken,
>
> 1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap
> storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no
> experience however.)
>
> 2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
> happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
> size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
> disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
> relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
> are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
> there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
> conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
> sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
> meaning less data is processed at a time).
>
> 3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
> spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked
> at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my
> understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very
> helpful to others, too.
>
> One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame
> API. Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump
> into fewer Python resource contention issues.
>
> Best,
> -Sven
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken 
> wrote:
>
>> This is extremely helpful!
>>
>> I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should be
>> adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped it
>> up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient memory
>> for the python processes.
>>
>> So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:
>>
>>
>>- JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or
>>SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of 
>> those
>>values are set to 90GB
>>- spark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task
>>can take maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GB
>>- spark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist
>>and thus indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist
>>
>>
>> I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by
>> implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns of the spark
>> cluster work as far as failed workers.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> —Ken
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>
>> My understanding is that the spark.executor.cores setting controls the
>> number of worker threads in the executor in the JVM. Each worker thread
>> communicates then with a pyspark daemon process (these are not threads) to
>> stream data into Python. There should be one daemon process per worker
>> thread (but as I mentioned I sometimes see a low multiple).
>>
>> Your 4GB limit for Python is fairly high, that means even for 12 workers
>> you're looking at a max of 48GB (and it goes frequently beyond that). You
>> will be better off using a lower number there and instead increasing the
>> parallelism of your job (i.e. dividing the job into more and smaller
>> partitions).
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Carlile, Ken 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Sven!
>>>
>>> I know that I’ve messed up the memory allocation, but I’m trying not to
>>> think too much about that (because I’ve advertised it to my users as “90GB
>>> for Spark works!” and that’s how it displays in the Spark UI (totally
>>>

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-26 Thread Sven Krasser

Hey Ken,

1. You're correct, cached RDDs live on the JVM heap. (There's an off-heap
storage option using Alluxio, formerly Tachyon, with which I have no
experience however.)

2. The worker memory setting is not a hard maximum unfortunately. What
happens is that during aggregation the Python daemon will check its process
size. If the size is larger than this setting, it will start spilling to
disk. I've seen many occasions where my daemons grew larger. Also, you're
relying on Python's memory management to free up space again once objects
are evicted. In practice, leave this setting reasonably small but make sure
there's enough free memory on the machine so you don't run into OOM
conditions. If the lower memory setting causes strains for your users, make
sure they increase the parallelism of their jobs (smaller partitions
meaning less data is processed at a time).

3. I believe that is the behavior you can expect when setting
spark.executor.cores. I've not experimented much with it and haven't looked
at that part of the code, but what you describe also reflects my
understanding. Please share your findings here, I'm sure those will be very
helpful to others, too.

One more suggestion for your users is to move to the Pyspark DataFrame API.
Much of the processing will then happen in the JVM, and you will bump into
fewer Python resource contention issues.

Best,
-Sven


On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Carlile, Ken 
wrote:

> This is extremely helpful!
>
> I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should be
> adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped it
> up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient memory
> for the python processes.
>
> So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:
>
>
>- JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or
>SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of those
>values are set to 90GB
>- spark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task
>can take maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GB
>- spark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist and
>thus indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist
>
>
> I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by
> implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns of the spark
> cluster work as far as failed workers.
>
> Thanks again,
> —Ken
>
> On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the spark.executor.cores setting controls the
> number of worker threads in the executor in the JVM. Each worker thread
> communicates then with a pyspark daemon process (these are not threads) to
> stream data into Python. There should be one daemon process per worker
> thread (but as I mentioned I sometimes see a low multiple).
>
> Your 4GB limit for Python is fairly high, that means even for 12 workers
> you're looking at a max of 48GB (and it goes frequently beyond that). You
> will be better off using a lower number there and instead increasing the
> parallelism of your job (i.e. dividing the job into more and smaller
> partitions).
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Carlile, Ken 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Sven!
>>
>> I know that I’ve messed up the memory allocation, but I’m trying not to
>> think too much about that (because I’ve advertised it to my users as “90GB
>> for Spark works!” and that’s how it displays in the Spark UI (totally
>> ignoring the python processes). So I’ll need to deal with that at some
>> point… esp since I’ve set the max python memory usage to 4GB to work around
>> other issues!
>>
>> The load issue comes in because we have a lot of background cron jobs
>> (mostly to clean up after spark…), and those will stack up behind the high
>> load and keep stacking until the whole thing comes crashing down. I will
>> look into how to avoid this stacking, as I think one of my predecessors had
>> a way, but that’s why the high load nukes the nodes. I don’t have the
>> spark.executor.cores set, but will setting that to say, 12 limit the
>> pyspark threads, or will it just limit the jvm threads?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ken
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ken,
>>
>> I also frequently see more pyspark daemons than configured concurrency,
>> often it's a low multiple. (There was an issue pre-1.3.0 that caused this
>> to be quite a bit higher, so make sure you at least have a recent version;
>> see SPARK-5395.)
>>
>> Each pyspark daemon tries to stay below the configured memory limit
>> during aggregation (which is separate from the JVM heap as you note). Since
>> the number of daemons can be high and the memory limit is per daemon (each
>> daemon is actually a process and not a thread and therefore has its own
>> memory it tracks against the configured per-worker limit), I found memory
>> depletion to be the main source of pyspark problems on larger data sets.
>> Also, as Sea already noted the

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-26 Thread Carlile, Ken

This is extremely helpful!

I’ll have to talk to my users about how the python memory limit should be adjusted and what their expectations are. I’m fairly certain we bumped it up in the dark past when jobs were failing because of insufficient memory for the python processes.

So just to make sure I’m understanding correctly:

JVM memory (set by SPARK_EXECUTOR_MEMORY and/or SPARK_WORKER_MEMORY?) is where the RDDs are stored. Currently both of those values are set to 90GBspark.python.worker.memory controls how much RAM each python task can take maximum (roughly speaking. Currently set to 4GBspark.task.cpus controls how many java worker threads will exist and thus indirectly how many pyspark daemon processes will exist

I’m also looking into fixing my cron jobs so they don’t stack up by implementing flock in the jobs and changing how teardowns of the spark cluster work as far as failed workers.

Thanks again,
—Ken

On Mar 26, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Sven Krasser wrote:

My understanding is that the spark.executor.cores setting controls the number of worker threads in the executor in the JVM. Each worker thread communicates then with a pyspark daemon process (these are not threads) to stream data into Python.
There should be one daemon process per worker thread (but as I mentioned I sometimes see a low multiple).

Your 4GB limit for Python is fairly high, that means even for 12 workers you're looking at a max of 48GB (and it goes frequently beyond that). You will be better off using a lower number there and instead increasing the parallelism of your job (i.e. dividing
the job into more and smaller partitions).

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Thanks, Sven!

I know that I’ve messed up the memory allocation, but I’m trying not to think too much about that (because I’ve advertised it to my users as “90GB for Spark works!” and that’s how it displays in the Spark UI (totally ignoring the python processes).
So I’ll need to deal with that at some point… esp since I’ve set the max python memory usage to 4GB to work around other issues!

The load issue comes in because we have a lot of background cron jobs (mostly to clean up after spark…), and those will stack up behind the high load and keep stacking until the whole thing comes crashing down. I will look into how to avoid this
stacking, as I think one of my predecessors had a way, but that’s why the high load nukes the nodes. I don’t have the spark.executor.cores set, but will setting that to say, 12 limit the pyspark threads, or will it just limit the jvm threads?

Thanks!

Ken

On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Sven Krasser wrote:

Hey Ken,

I also frequently see more pyspark daemons than configured concurrency, often it's a low multiple. (There was an issue pre-1.3.0 that caused this to be quite a bit higher, so make sure you at least have a recent version; see SPARK-5395.)

Each pyspark daemon tries to stay below the configured memory limit during aggregation (which is separate from the JVM heap as you note). Since the number of daemons can be high and the memory limit is per daemon (each daemon is actually a process and not a
thread and therefore has its own memory it tracks against the configured per-worker limit), I found memory depletion to be the main source of pyspark problems on larger data sets. Also, as Sea already noted the memory limit is not firm and individual daemons
can grow larger.

With that said, a run queue of 25 on a 16 core machine does not sound great but also not awful enough to knock it offline. I suspect something else may be going on. If you want to limit the amount of work running concurrently, try reducing spark.executor.cores
(under normal circumstances this would leave parts of your resources underutilized).

Hope this helps!

-Sven

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Further data on this.
I’m watching another job right now where there are 16 pyspark.daemon threads, all of which are trying to get a full core (remember, this is a 16 core machine). Unfortunately , the java process actually running the spark worker is trying to take
several cores of its own, driving the load up. I’m hoping someone has seen something like this.

—Ken

On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

No further input on this? I discovered today that the pyspark.daemon threadcount was actually 48, which makes a little more sense (at least it’s a multiple of 16), and it seems to be happening at reduce and collect
portions of the code.

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m guessing that’s no

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-26 Thread Sven Krasser

My understanding is that the spark.executor.cores setting controls the
number of worker threads in the executor in the JVM. Each worker thread
communicates then with a pyspark daemon process (these are not threads) to
stream data into Python. There should be one daemon process per worker
thread (but as I mentioned I sometimes see a low multiple).

Your 4GB limit for Python is fairly high, that means even for 12 workers
you're looking at a max of 48GB (and it goes frequently beyond that). You
will be better off using a lower number there and instead increasing the
parallelism of your job (i.e. dividing the job into more and smaller
partitions).

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Carlile, Ken 
wrote:

> Thanks, Sven!
>
> I know that I’ve messed up the memory allocation, but I’m trying not to
> think too much about that (because I’ve advertised it to my users as “90GB
> for Spark works!” and that’s how it displays in the Spark UI (totally
> ignoring the python processes). So I’ll need to deal with that at some
> point… esp since I’ve set the max python memory usage to 4GB to work around
> other issues!
>
> The load issue comes in because we have a lot of background cron jobs
> (mostly to clean up after spark…), and those will stack up behind the high
> load and keep stacking until the whole thing comes crashing down. I will
> look into how to avoid this stacking, as I think one of my predecessors had
> a way, but that’s why the high load nukes the nodes. I don’t have the
> spark.executor.cores set, but will setting that to say, 12 limit the
> pyspark threads, or will it just limit the jvm threads?
>
> Thanks!
> Ken
>
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Sven Krasser  wrote:
>
> Hey Ken,
>
> I also frequently see more pyspark daemons than configured concurrency,
> often it's a low multiple. (There was an issue pre-1.3.0 that caused this
> to be quite a bit higher, so make sure you at least have a recent version;
> see SPARK-5395.)
>
> Each pyspark daemon tries to stay below the configured memory limit during
> aggregation (which is separate from the JVM heap as you note). Since the
> number of daemons can be high and the memory limit is per daemon (each
> daemon is actually a process and not a thread and therefore has its own
> memory it tracks against the configured per-worker limit), I found memory
> depletion to be the main source of pyspark problems on larger data sets.
> Also, as Sea already noted the memory limit is not firm and individual
> daemons can grow larger.
>
> With that said, a run queue of 25 on a 16 core machine does not sound
> great but also not awful enough to knock it offline. I suspect something
> else may be going on. If you want to limit the amount of work running
> concurrently, try reducing spark.executor.cores (under normal circumstances
> this would leave parts of your resources underutilized).
>
> Hope this helps!
> -Sven
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Carlile, Ken 
>  wrote:
>
>> Further data on this.
>> I’m watching another job right now where there are 16 pyspark.daemon
>> threads, all of which are trying to get a full core (remember, this is a 16
>> core machine). Unfortunately , the java process actually running the spark
>> worker is trying to take several cores of its own, driving the load up. I’m
>> hoping someone has seen something like this.
>>
>> —Ken
>>
>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Carlile, Ken 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No further input on this? I discovered today that the pyspark.daemon
>> threadcount was actually 48, which makes a little more sense (at least it’s
>> a multiple of 16), and it seems to be happening at reduce and collect
>> portions of the code.
>>
>> —Ken
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m
>> guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for
>> a couple of years now.
>>
>> The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go
>> down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.
>>
>> —Ken
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu  wrote:
>>
>> I took a look at docs/configuration.md
>> Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the
>> following pertains to your second question:
>>
>> 
>>   spark.python.worker.memory
>>   512m
>>   
>> Amount of memory to use per python worker process during aggregation,
>> in the same
>> format as JVM memory strings (e.g. 512m,
>> 2g). If the memory
>> used during aggregation goes above this amount, it will spill the
>> data into disks.
>>   
>> 
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We have an HPC cluster that we run Spark jobs on using standalone mode
>>> and a number of scripts I’ve built up to dynamically schedule and start
>>> spark clusters within the Grid Engine framework. Nodes in the cluster have
>>> 16 cores and 128GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> My users use pyspark heavily. We’ve been having a number of prob

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-26 Thread Carlile, Ken

Thanks, Sven!

Thanks!
Ken

On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Sven Krasser wrote:

Hey Ken,

Hope this helps!

-Sven

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

—Ken

On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for a couple of years now.

The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu wrote:

I took a look at docs/configuration.md
Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following pertains to your second question:

spark.python.worker.memory
512m
Amount of memory to use per python worker process during aggregation, in the same
format as JVM memory strings (e.g. 512m, 2g). If the memory
used during aggregation goes above this amount, it will spill the data into disks.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Hello,

We have an HPC cluster that we run Spark jobs on using standalone mode and a number of scripts I’ve built up to dynamically schedule and start spark clusters within the Grid Engine framework. Nodes in the cluster have 16 cores and 128GB of RAM.

My users use pyspark heavily. We’ve been having a number of problems with nodes going offline with extraordinarily high load. I was able to look at one of those nodes today before it went truly sideways, and I discovered that the user was running 50 pyspark.daemon
threads (remember, this is a 16 core box), and the load was somewhere around 25 or so, with all CPUs maxed out at 100%.

So while the spark worker is aware it’s only got 16 cores and behaves accordingly, pyspark seems to be happy to overrun everything like crazy. Is there a global parameter I can use to limit pyspark threads to a sane number, say 15 or 16? It would also be interesting
to set a memory limit, which leads to another

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-25 Thread Sven Krasser

Hey Ken,

I also frequently see more pyspark daemons than configured concurrency,
often it's a low multiple. (There was an issue pre-1.3.0 that caused this
to be quite a bit higher, so make sure you at least have a recent version;
see SPARK-5395.)

Each pyspark daemon tries to stay below the configured memory limit during
aggregation (which is separate from the JVM heap as you note). Since the
number of daemons can be high and the memory limit is per daemon (each
daemon is actually a process and not a thread and therefore has its own
memory it tracks against the configured per-worker limit), I found memory
depletion to be the main source of pyspark problems on larger data sets.
Also, as Sea already noted the memory limit is not firm and individual
daemons can grow larger.

With that said, a run queue of 25 on a 16 core machine does not sound great
but also not awful enough to knock it offline. I suspect something else may
be going on. If you want to limit the amount of work running concurrently,
try reducing spark.executor.cores (under normal circumstances this would
leave parts of your resources underutilized).

Hope this helps!
-Sven


On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Carlile, Ken 
wrote:

> Further data on this.
> I’m watching another job right now where there are 16 pyspark.daemon
> threads, all of which are trying to get a full core (remember, this is a 16
> core machine). Unfortunately , the java process actually running the spark
> worker is trying to take several cores of its own, driving the load up. I’m
> hoping someone has seen something like this.
>
> —Ken
>
> On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Carlile, Ken 
> wrote:
>
> No further input on this? I discovered today that the pyspark.daemon
> threadcount was actually 48, which makes a little more sense (at least it’s
> a multiple of 16), and it seems to be happening at reduce and collect
> portions of the code.
>
> —Ken
>
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m
> guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for
> a couple of years now.
>
> The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go
> down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.
>
> —Ken
>
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu  wrote:
>
> I took a look at docs/configuration.md
> Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following
> pertains to your second question:
>
> 
>   spark.python.worker.memory
>   512m
>   
> Amount of memory to use per python worker process during aggregation,
> in the same
> format as JVM memory strings (e.g. 512m,
> 2g). If the memory
> used during aggregation goes above this amount, it will spill the data
> into disks.
>   
> 
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We have an HPC cluster that we run Spark jobs on using standalone mode
>> and a number of scripts I’ve built up to dynamically schedule and start
>> spark clusters within the Grid Engine framework. Nodes in the cluster have
>> 16 cores and 128GB of RAM.
>>
>> My users use pyspark heavily. We’ve been having a number of problems with
>> nodes going offline with extraordinarily high load. I was able to look at
>> one of those nodes today before it went truly sideways, and I discovered
>> that the user was running 50 pyspark.daemon threads (remember, this is a 16
>> core box), and the load was somewhere around 25 or so, with all CPUs maxed
>> out at 100%.
>>
>> So while the spark worker is aware it’s only got 16 cores and behaves
>> accordingly, pyspark seems to be happy to overrun everything like crazy. Is
>> there a global parameter I can use to limit pyspark threads to a sane
>> number, say 15 or 16? It would also be interesting to set a memory limit,
>> which leads to another question.
>>
>> How is memory managed when pyspark is used? I have the spark worker
>> memory set to 90GB, and there is 8GB of system overhead (GPFS caching), so
>> if pyspark operates outside of the JVM memory pool, that leaves it at most
>> 30GB to play with, assuming there is no overhead outside the JVM’s 90GB
>> heap (ha ha.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ken Carlile
>> Sr. Unix Engineer
>> HHMI/Janelia Research Campus
>> 571-209-4363
>>
>>
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Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-25 Thread Carlile, Ken

—Ken

On Mar 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for a couple of years now.

The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu wrote:

I took a look at docs/configuration.md
Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following pertains to your second question:

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken
wrote:

Hello,

How is memory managed when pyspark is used? I have the spark worker memory set to 90GB, and there is 8GB of system overhead (GPFS caching), so if pyspark operates outside of the JVM memory pool, that leaves it at most 30GB to play with, assuming there is no
overhead outside the JVM’s 90GB heap (ha ha.)

Thanks,
Ken Carlile
Sr. Unix Engineer
HHMI/Janelia Research Campus
571-209-4363

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Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-21 Thread Carlile, Ken

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Carlile, Ken wrote:

Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for a couple of years now.

The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu wrote:

I took a look at docs/configuration.md
Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following pertains to your second question:

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken
wrote:

Hello,

Thanks,
Ken Carlile
Sr. Unix Engineer
HHMI/Janelia Research Campus
571-209-4363

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Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-20 Thread Ted Yu

I took a look at docs/configuration.md
Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following
pertains to your second question:


  spark.python.worker.memory
  512m
  
Amount of memory to use per python worker process during aggregation,
in the same
format as JVM memory strings (e.g. 512m, 2g).
If the memory
used during aggregation goes above this amount, it will spill the data
into disks.
  


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We have an HPC cluster that we run Spark jobs on using standalone mode and
> a number of scripts I’ve built up to dynamically schedule and start spark
> clusters within the Grid Engine framework. Nodes in the cluster have 16
> cores and 128GB of RAM.
>
> My users use pyspark heavily. We’ve been having a number of problems with
> nodes going offline with extraordinarily high load. I was able to look at
> one of those nodes today before it went truly sideways, and I discovered
> that the user was running 50 pyspark.daemon threads (remember, this is a 16
> core box), and the load was somewhere around 25 or so, with all CPUs maxed
> out at 100%.
>
> So while the spark worker is aware it’s only got 16 cores and behaves
> accordingly, pyspark seems to be happy to overrun everything like crazy. Is
> there a global parameter I can use to limit pyspark threads to a sane
> number, say 15 or 16? It would also be interesting to set a memory limit,
> which leads to another question.
>
> How is memory managed when pyspark is used? I have the spark worker memory
> set to 90GB, and there is 8GB of system overhead (GPFS caching), so if
> pyspark operates outside of the JVM memory pool, that leaves it at most
> 30GB to play with, assuming there is no overhead outside the JVM’s 90GB
> heap (ha ha.)
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Carlile
> Sr. Unix Engineer
> HHMI/Janelia Research Campus
> 571-209-4363
>
>

Re: Limit pyspark.daemon threads

2016-03-18 Thread Carlile, Ken

Thanks! I found that part just after I sent the email… whoops. I’m guessing that’s not an issue for my users, since it’s been set that way for a couple of years now.

The thread count is definitely an issue, though, since if enough nodes go down, they can’t schedule their spark clusters.

—Ken

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Ted Yu wrote:

I took a look at docs/configuration.md
Though I didn't find answer for your first question, I think the following pertains to your second question:

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Carlile, Ken
wrote:

Hello,

Thanks,
Ken Carlile
Sr. Unix Engineer
HHMI/Janelia Research Campus
571-209-4363

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