Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-26 Thread Simon Weller
Sven,

I just sent you an invite.

-Si


From: Sven Vogel 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 10:19 AM
To: users 
Cc: d...@cloudstack.apache.org 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

that means,



this is the official URL?

https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/



how can i added to this channel?


On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote:


Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking.

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main
> communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC
and
> promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a
considerable
> amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels).
Personally, I
> have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new
users
> joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already
have
> this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not
use it
> as the official 'chat' channel?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nicolas Vazquez
>
> 
> From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM
> To: users
> Cc: dev
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
>
> I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.
>
> Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic  >
> escreveu:
>
> > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being
mentioned on
> > main website and any future events. Makes sense?
> >
> > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my
opinion) NOT
> > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move
all
> > users.
> >
> > Does this sounds good to majority here?
> >
> > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any
public
> > pages/website/future events marketing.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than
the
> > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and
where
> > > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm
cool
> with
> > > having one in the back pocket.
> > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the
community
> > as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on
it is
> not
> > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is
definitely is
> far
> > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher
> > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > > To: dev
> > > Cc: Nux!
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay
as the
> > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used
Slack when
> > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on
private
> > chat.
> > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community
I see
> no
> > > problem with keeping them around.
> > >
> > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is
regarding the
> > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing
to
> > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> > >
> > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea?
Should we
> > keep
> > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as
Slack,
> > but
> > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Gabriel.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication a

Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-26 Thread Sven Vogel
that means,



this is the official URL?

https://apachecloudstack.slack.com/



how can i added to this channel?


On Sunday, 08/25/2019 at 22:19 Andrija Panic wrote:


Right to the bone Nicolas... i.e. exactly my thinking.

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 19:48, Nicolas Vazquez 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main
> communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC
and
> promote the current Slack channel as it is active and with a
considerable
> amount of users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels).
Personally, I
> have joined the Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new
users
> joining the channel and asking questions. My point is, if we already
have
> this channel working good without "official" promotion, then why not
use it
> as the official 'chat' channel?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nicolas Vazquez
>
> 
> From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM
> To: users 
> Cc: dev 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
>
> I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.
>
> Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic  >
> escreveu:
>
> > I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being
mentioned on
> > main website and any future events. Makes sense?
> >
> > We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my
opinion) NOT
> > move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move
all
> > users.
> >
> > Does this sounds good to majority here?
> >
> > If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any
public
> > pages/website/future events marketing.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than
the
> > > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and
where
> > > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm
cool
> with
> > > having one in the back pocket.
> > > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the
community
> > as
> > > possible.
> > >
> > > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on
it is
> not
> > > going to give a positive impression, and that person is
definitely is
> far
> > > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
> > > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > > To: dev 
> > > Cc: Nux! 
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hello folks,
> > >
> > > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay
as the
> > > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used
Slack when
> > > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on
private
> > chat.
> > > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community
I see
> no
> > > problem with keeping them around.
> > >
> > > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is
regarding the
> > > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing
to
> > > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> > >
> > > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea?
Should we
> > keep
> > > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as
Slack,
> > but
> > > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Gabriel.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and
it
> must
> > > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the
project
> > > > dev+user+etc.
> > > >
> > > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are
good
> > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-25 Thread Nicolas Vazquez
Hi all,

My 2 cents: I fully agree on promoting the mailing lists as the main 
communication channel. However, I think it will be good to drop IRC and promote 
the current Slack channel as it is active and with a considerable amount of 
users (+150 members vs ~30 in the IRC channels). Personally, I have joined the 
Slack channel a few years ago and have seen new users joining the channel and 
asking questions. My point is, if we already have this channel working good 
without "official" promotion, then why not use it as the official 'chat' 
channel?


Regards,

Nicolas Vazquez


From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:21 PM
To: users 
Cc: dev 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.

Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic 
escreveu:

> I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on
> main website and any future events. Makes sense?
>
> We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT
> move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all
> users.
>
> Does this sounds good to majority here?
>
> If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public
> pages/website/future events marketing.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:
>
> > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the
> > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where
> > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with
> > having one in the back pocket.
> > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community
> as
> > possible.
> >
> > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not
> > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far
> > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
> > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > To: dev 
> > Cc: Nux! 
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the
> > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when
> > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private
> chat.
> > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no
> > problem with keeping them around.
> >
> > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the
> > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to
> > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> >
> > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we
> keep
> > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack,
> but
> > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gabriel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must
> > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> > > dev+user+etc.
> > >
> > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good
> > tools.
> > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on
> > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf
> > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their
> > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group.
> > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too
> > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf
> > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway
> between
> > the two.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rohit Yadav
> > >
> > > 

Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-23 Thread Gabriel Beims Bräscher
I am +1 on opening the VOTE for removal of IRC references.

Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 14:33, Andrija Panic 
escreveu:

> I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on
> main website and any future events. Makes sense?
>
> We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT
> move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all
> users.
>
> Does this sounds good to majority here?
>
> If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public
> pages/website/future events marketing.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:
>
> > I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the
> > mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where
> > previously asked questions can be searched for.
> > Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with
> > having one in the back pocket.
> > But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community
> as
> > possible.
> >
> > + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not
> > going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far
> > less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
> > Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> > To: dev 
> > Cc: Nux! 
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the
> > default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when
> > helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private
> chat.
> > As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no
> > problem with keeping them around.
> >
> > However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the
> > "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to
> > irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> > especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
> >
> > Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we
> keep
> > only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack,
> but
> > on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gabriel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav <
> rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must
> > > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> > > dev+user+etc.
> > >
> > > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good
> > tools.
> > > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on
> > > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf
> > > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their
> > > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group.
> > > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too
> > > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf
> > > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway
> between
> > the two.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rohit Yadav
> > >
> > > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> > >
> > > https://www.shapeblue.com
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Sven Vogel 
> > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> > > To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org 
> > > Cc: Nux! 
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > >
> > > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t
> > > like mailing list or  neither. I think the first one is closed and
> > > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final
> > > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No.
> > >
> > > If IRC is death drop i

Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-23 Thread Andrija Panic
I'm inline with that Paul - let's then remove the IRC being mentioned on
main website and any future events. Makes sense?

We can keep Slack as it is now, and then definitely (in my opinion) NOT
move to ASF Slack, since as someone mentioned it's a pain to move all users.

Does this sounds good to majority here?

If so, I would cast a vote thread for removal of IRC from any public
pages/website/future events marketing.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 17:45 Paul Angus  wrote:

> I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the
> mailing lists.That is where most people can be found and where
> previously asked questions can be searched for.
> Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with
> having one in the back pocket.
> But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community as
> possible.
>
> + a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not
> going to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far
> less likely to get an answer to any question that they have.
>
> Paul.
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher 
> Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
> To: dev 
> Cc: Nux! 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the
> default communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when
> helping foes around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat.
> As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no
> problem with keeping them around.
>
> However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the
> "marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to
> irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead,
> especially considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.
>
> Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep
> only one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but
> on the other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.
>
> Regards,
> Gabriel.
>
>
>
> Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav  >
> escreveu:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must
> > continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> > dev+user+etc.
> >
> > For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good
> tools.
> > I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on
> > either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf
> > slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their
> > channels there and I made a comment about it on our current
> > apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group.
> > I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too
> > difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf
> > slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway between
> the two.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rohit Yadav
> >
> > Software Architect, ShapeBlue
> >
> > https://www.shapeblue.com
> >
> > 
> > From: Sven Vogel 
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> > To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org 
> > Cc: Nux! 
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > I don’t understand the problem. I don’t like slack too but I don’t
> > like mailing list or  neither. I think the first one is closed and
> > slow. For me is an mailing list or irc also not the wisdom final
> > conclusion but hey do we have a better one? No.
> >
> > If IRC is death drop it. If we don’t want slack drop it. leave ONLY
> > the mailing list until there we get an better interactive technology,
> > maybe open source.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
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RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-23 Thread Paul Angus
I don't think that we should be 'marketing' anything other than the mailing 
lists.That is where most people can be found and where previously asked 
questions can be searched for.
Having a ready to roll 'chat' tool has many advantages, so I'm cool with having 
one in the back pocket.
But personally I'd like to see as little fragmentation of the community as 
possible.

+ a new visitor turning up to a slack channel with 4 people on it is not going 
to give a positive impression, and that person is definitely is far less likely 
to get an answer to any question that they have.

Paul.

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
Amadeus House, Floral Street, London  WC2E 9DPUK
@shapeblue
  
 


-Original Message-
From: Gabriel Beims Bräscher  
Sent: 23 August 2019 14:56
To: dev 
Cc: Nux! 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

Hello folks,

I see no problem with using chat platforms. The mail should stay as the default 
communication tool indeed, but several times I used Slack when helping foes 
around, raising questions, and pinging folks on private chat.
As far as we have tools and they are being used by the community I see no 
problem with keeping them around.

However, I think that the main point raised by Andrija is regarding the 
"marketing" of the channels. We normally promote IRC (pointing to 
irc.freenode.net), but CloudStack IRC channels look pretty dead, especially 
considering that it is the "official" ACS chat tool.

Does promoting all channels (IRC + Slack) look a good idea? Should we keep only 
one option? In one hand, IRC currently is not as active as Slack, but on the 
other hand, Slack requires an invitation e-mail.

Regards,
Gabriel.



Em sex, 23 de ago de 2019 às 08:45, Rohit Yadav 
escreveu:

> All,
>
> I think email is the more persistent form of communication and it must 
> continue to be the default communication mechanism for the project
> dev+user+etc.
>
> For a more real-time/transient communication, IRC or slack are good tools.
> I don't have any preference on either, as I'm not an active user on 
> either of them. It just happened that someone asked me to join the-asf 
> slack for some other group, and I saw many projects having their 
> channels there and I made a comment about it on our current 
> apachecloudstack community slack which is outside of the-asf group. 
> I've got both of them setup on my desktop slack now, if it's too 
> difficult to migrate everyone from the old slack group to the-asf 
> slack group, let's continue as is; or perhaps add an IRC-gateway between the 
> two.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rohit Yadav
>
> Software Architect, ShapeBlue
>
> https://www.shapeblue.com
>
> 
> From: Sven Vogel 
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 01:01
> To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org 
> Cc: Nux! 
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel
>
> Hey Guys,
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RE: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

2019-08-22 Thread Paul Angus
Personally, I agree with Nux, I could live without yet another communication 
medium that I have to check. So I would prefer the searchable medium of the 
mailing lists with the fall back of maybe Slack for group calls or chats if 
really required.   Given the worldwide time zones we cover, real-time 
conversations are automatically going to exclude a large number of people.  The 
conversation threading in email clients allows me to see the subject of a 
conversation and decide if can or want to join in.

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-Original Message-
From: Andrija Panic  
Sent: 22 August 2019 19:28
To: Nux! 
Cc: dev 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Change of the official CHAT channel

My whole idea is that having one (IRC) marketed on web pages, while using the 
other silently (Slack) makes less than zero sense to me.

And, for me, a tool is a tool, I'm not married to it (some people prefer vi 
editor and have religious attachments to it, I just use nano to get the job
done)

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 19:49 Nux!  wrote:

> I'm heavily against Slack or any other proprietary, closed solutions.
>
> I think it's a step back generally for the Internet at large and even 
> more so for an open source project; I can't reconcile the two in my 
> heart.
>
> Having said that, I believe the chat is dead not because it's IRC, but 
> because people prefer async comms (ie email). It'll be the same for 
> Slack.
>
>
> We should be promoting the mailing lists. They are active and the 
> archives are open to search engines etc and can further provide 
> helpful information to everyone.
>
> I won't -1 the decision, I don't want to be in the way of "progress", 
> but it's not a +1 either. I won't be using it.
>
> My 2p
>
>
> ---
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> On 2019-08-22 16:57, Andrija Panic wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Since IRC is pretty dead, and we already have a Slack channel ( 
> > https://apachecloudstack.slack.com ) that we use atm, AND since 
> > there seems to be an official ASF slack channel at 
> > https://the-asf.slack.com/, I would like to open a discussion of the 
> > idea to "officially"  move (i.e.
> > marketing
> > this on all event pages and main web site) to that new CloudStack 
> > channel on the official ASF slack account/page - and abandon (close 
> > for good) all others chat channels.
> >
> > i.e. on this year conference page (http://us.cloudstackcollab.org/) 
> > we currently announce the IRC channel (???) to be the one (and AFAIK 
> > it's pretty dead) - so I would propose to move forward and update 
> > this, so the users can be aware of "alive" chat channel
> >
> > Suggestions, opinions ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrija Panić
>