Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Good idea Rohit, +1 on creating symlinks for el7, el8 I've also created a PR to support binary compatible variants of RHEL8. I'd appreciate feedback / testing from the community I've tested it agianst Rocky & Alma and it seems to work just like C8 does https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/5158 From: Rohit Yadav Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 4:32 PM To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org ; users@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack Great thanks all for the discussion, so what we mostly agree on are: * CentOS8, Rocky Linux 8 and other initiatives may all be binary compatible * We can host all el8 repos which these distros may use * The community may help validate the CloudStack el8 pkgs among one or more clear winner with time As an immediate action, let's us publish all "centos8" or "rocky8" package repos under generic "el8" repos? For example, http://download.cloudstack.org/testing/nightly/latest/ we can add symlink or rename dirs as "el8", "el7". Regards. From: n...@li.nux.ro Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 21:12 To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Nathan McGarvey Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack That's a very good suggestion, I'm sure we can sort out something. Regards, Lucian On 2021-06-24 14:40, Nathan McGarvey wrote: > Nux, > Also agree regarding EL8. > > I wonder if it is possible to build on a RHEL "development" license > where builds and smoke tests and such can be done without licensing > cost. > (https://developers.redhat.com/articles/faqs-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux, > https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions) > > I'm not a lawyer and the terms seem murky as to how an Open-Source > project like CloudStack would interact with those terms, even in a > non-production sense. Do any other ASF projects use RHEL for build/test > servers or anything like that? > > > Thanks, > -Nathan McGarvey > > > > On 6/24/21 8:17 AM, Sven Vogel wrote: >> @nux >> >> „Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include >> any >> of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc.“ >> >> Agree >> >> __ >> >> Sven Vogel >> Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure >> >> EWERK DIGITAL GmbH >> Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig >> P +49 341 42649 - 99 >> F +49 341 42649 - 98 >> s.vo...@ewerk.com >> www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> >> >> Geschäftsführer: >> Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke >> Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065 >> >> Support: >> +49 341 42649 555 >> >> Zertifiziert nach: >> ISO/IEC 27001:2013 >> DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 >> DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2018 >> >> ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed >> >> EWERK-Blog<https://blog.ewerk.com/> | >> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ewerk-group> | >> Xing<https://www.xing.com/company/ewerk> | >> Twitter<https://twitter.com/EWERK_Group> | >> Facebook<https://de-de.facebook.com/EWERK.Group/> >> >> >> Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. >> >> Disclaimer Privacy: >> Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) >> ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht >> der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, >> Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte >> informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen >> Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem >> System. Vielen Dank. >> >> The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are >> confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the >> intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, >> distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you >> should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it >> (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. >> >> >> Von: n...@li.nux.ro >> Gesendet: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:57:24 PM >> An: d...@cloudstack.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack >> >> Point taken. Good find with gdm, wonder if there are others. >> I'm hoping this kind of problems disappear in time as the machine gets >> "oiled" better. >> >> What I wanted to underline is that the situation is sort of like this: >> Updates -> QA -&
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Rohit, Agreed. on the el8 rename for the repos. I'd recommend keeping a symlink back to centos just for folks running automated scripts and such downstream. Make sure the rsync daemon still works for both, too. Do you know how difficult it would be to change the CI/CD build processes to point to point to either multiple OSes or change to another OS for testing? E.g. Don't actually switch off of CentOS 8 quite yet, but be able to test alternatives before the end of the year. Thanks, -Nathan McGarvey On 6/28/21 6:02 AM, Rohit Yadav wrote: > Great thanks all for the discussion, so what we mostly agree on are: > > * CentOS8, Rocky Linux 8 and other initiatives may all be binary > compatible > * We can host all el8 repos which these distros may use > * The community may help validate the CloudStack el8 pkgs among one or > more clear winner with time > > As an immediate action, let's us publish all "centos8" or "rocky8" package > repos under generic "el8" repos? For example, > http://download.cloudstack.org/testing/nightly/latest/ we can add symlink or > rename dirs as "el8", "el7". > > > Regards. > > > From: n...@li.nux.ro > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 21:12 > To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: Nathan McGarvey > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack > > That's a very good suggestion, I'm sure we can sort out something. > > Regards, > Lucian > > > > > On 2021-06-24 14:40, Nathan McGarvey wrote: >> Nux, >> Also agree regarding EL8. >> >> I wonder if it is possible to build on a RHEL "development" license >> where builds and smoke tests and such can be done without licensing >> cost. >> (https://developers.redhat.com/articles/faqs-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux, >> https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions) >> >> I'm not a lawyer and the terms seem murky as to how an Open-Source >> project like CloudStack would interact with those terms, even in a >> non-production sense. Do any other ASF projects use RHEL for build/test >> servers or anything like that? >> >> >> Thanks, >> -Nathan McGarvey >> >> >> >> On 6/24/21 8:17 AM, Sven Vogel wrote: >>> @nux >>> >>> „Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include >>> any >>> of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc.“ >>> >>> Agree >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Sven Vogel >>> Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure >>> >>> EWERK DIGITAL GmbH >>> Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig >>> P +49 341 42649 - 99 >>> F +49 341 42649 - 98 >>> s.vo...@ewerk.com >>> www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> >>> >>> Geschäftsführer: >>> Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke >>> Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065 >>> >>> Support: >>> +49 341 42649 555 >>> >>> Zertifiziert nach: >>> ISO/IEC 27001:2013 >>> DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 >>> DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2018 >>> >>> ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed >>> >>> EWERK-Blog<https://blog.ewerk.com/> | >>> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ewerk-group> | >>> Xing<https://www.xing.com/company/ewerk> | >>> Twitter<https://twitter.com/EWERK_Group> | >>> Facebook<https://de-de.facebook.com/EWERK.Group/> >>> >>> >>> Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. >>> >>> Disclaimer Privacy: >>> Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) >>> ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht >>> der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, >>> Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte >>> informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen >>> Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem >>> System. Vielen Dank. >>> >>> The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are >>> confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the >>> intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, >>> distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you >>> should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it >>> (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. >>> >
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Great thanks all for the discussion, so what we mostly agree on are: * CentOS8, Rocky Linux 8 and other initiatives may all be binary compatible * We can host all el8 repos which these distros may use * The community may help validate the CloudStack el8 pkgs among one or more clear winner with time As an immediate action, let's us publish all "centos8" or "rocky8" package repos under generic "el8" repos? For example, http://download.cloudstack.org/testing/nightly/latest/ we can add symlink or rename dirs as "el8", "el7". Regards. From: n...@li.nux.ro Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 21:12 To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Nathan McGarvey Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack That's a very good suggestion, I'm sure we can sort out something. Regards, Lucian On 2021-06-24 14:40, Nathan McGarvey wrote: > Nux, > Also agree regarding EL8. > > I wonder if it is possible to build on a RHEL "development" license > where builds and smoke tests and such can be done without licensing > cost. > (https://developers.redhat.com/articles/faqs-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux, > https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions) > > I'm not a lawyer and the terms seem murky as to how an Open-Source > project like CloudStack would interact with those terms, even in a > non-production sense. Do any other ASF projects use RHEL for build/test > servers or anything like that? > > > Thanks, > -Nathan McGarvey > > > > On 6/24/21 8:17 AM, Sven Vogel wrote: >> @nux >> >> „Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include >> any >> of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc.“ >> >> Agree >> >> __ >> >> Sven Vogel >> Senior Manager Research and Development - Cloud and Infrastructure >> >> EWERK DIGITAL GmbH >> Brühl 24, D-04109 Leipzig >> P +49 341 42649 - 99 >> F +49 341 42649 - 98 >> s.vo...@ewerk.com >> www.ewerk.com<http://www.ewerk.com> >> >> Geschäftsführer: >> Dr. Erik Wende, Hendrik Schubert, Tassilo Möschke >> Registergericht: Leipzig HRB 9065 >> >> Support: >> +49 341 42649 555 >> >> Zertifiziert nach: >> ISO/IEC 27001:2013 >> DIN EN ISO 9001:2015 >> DIN ISO/IEC 2-1:2018 >> >> ISAE 3402 Typ II Assessed >> >> EWERK-Blog<https://blog.ewerk.com/> | >> LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/ewerk-group> | >> Xing<https://www.xing.com/company/ewerk> | >> Twitter<https://twitter.com/EWERK_Group> | >> Facebook<https://de-de.facebook.com/EWERK.Group/> >> >> >> Auskünfte und Angebote per Mail sind freibleibend und unverbindlich. >> >> Disclaimer Privacy: >> Der Inhalt dieser E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) >> ist vertraulich und nur für den Empfänger bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht >> der bestimmungsgemäße Empfänger sein, ist Ihnen jegliche Offenlegung, >> Vervielfältigung, Weitergabe oder Nutzung des Inhalts untersagt. Bitte >> informieren Sie in diesem Fall unverzüglich den Absender und löschen >> Sie die E-Mail (einschließlich etwaiger beigefügter Dateien) von Ihrem >> System. Vielen Dank. >> >> The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) are >> confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the >> intended recipient of this e-mail, any disclosure, copying, >> distribution or use of its contents is strictly prohibited, and you >> should please notify the sender immediately and then delete it >> (including any attachments) from your system. Thank you. >> >> >> Von: n...@li.nux.ro >> Gesendet: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:57:24 PM >> An: d...@cloudstack.apache.org >> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack >> >> Point taken. Good find with gdm, wonder if there are others. >> I'm hoping this kind of problems disappear in time as the machine gets >> "oiled" better. >> >> What I wanted to underline is that the situation is sort of like this: >> Updates -> QA -> Stream -> RHEL >> >> Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include any >> of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc. >> >> >> >> On 2021-06-23 19:03, Nathan McGarvey wrote: >>> Nux, >>> Overall, I agree that it should be possible to use any other >>> clone >>> as they should be binary compatible. >>> >>> I don't quite understand your "pass through QA" and "basic
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Maybe Rocky is a good replacement for CentOS. We will see. We dont have so much choices. For me its important to support the Commercial RHEL one besides the Community. Thanks and Cheers, Sven Vogel Apache CloudStack PMC member On Wednesday, 06/23/2021 at 06:40 David Jumani wrote: +1 I think that since Cenots8 / Rocky / Alma are binary compatible it would be sufficient to support Rocky since it is looking like the go to alternative, and supporting any one would pretty much be supporting the other About dropping support, I'm for supporting it until EOL this year From: Rohit Yadav Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:11 PM To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org ; users@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack All, With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? Regards, Rohit Yadav
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
+1 I think that since Cenots8 / Rocky / Alma are binary compatible it would be sufficient to support Rocky since it is looking like the go to alternative, and supporting any one would pretty much be supporting the other About dropping support, I'm for supporting it until EOL this year From: Rohit Yadav Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 1:11 PM To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org ; users@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack All, With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? Regards, Rohit Yadav
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
My Opinion is if support on Stream, might as well just proceed on Fedora Server. Alternatively can consider Rocky or Alma , but this two variant is quite new. On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:40 PM Rohit Yadav wrote: > Both I guess, 8-Stream may not same kind of stability like an LTS release. > > Regards. > > Regards, > Rohit Yadav > > > From: n...@li.nux.ro > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:11:45 PM > To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: users@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack > > Hi, > > Drop support for CentOS8, 8-Stream or both? > > Regards > > On 2021-06-22 08:41, Rohit Yadav wrote: > > All, > > > > With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 > > (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now > > to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I > > did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue > > to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? > > > > Regards, > > Rohit Yadav > > > > -- Regards, Hean Seng
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Both I guess, 8-Stream may not same kind of stability like an LTS release. Regards. Regards, Rohit Yadav From: n...@li.nux.ro Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:11:45 PM To: d...@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: users@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack Hi, Drop support for CentOS8, 8-Stream or both? Regards On 2021-06-22 08:41, Rohit Yadav wrote: > All, > > With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 > (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now > to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I > did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue > to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Rohit Yadav
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
Hi, Drop support for CentOS8, 8-Stream or both? Regards On 2021-06-22 08:41, Rohit Yadav wrote: All, With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? Regards, Rohit Yadav
Re: [DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
+1. We were planning to run a few experiments with Rocky on ACS 4.15 sometime this week, across VMware, Xen and KVM to make sure there are no kinks around RPM packages, cloud-init and so on. Will message on this thread if something does come up. Best! Rudraksh Mukta Kulshreshtha Vice-President - DevOps & R IndiQus Technologies O +91 11 4055 1411 | M +91 99589 54879 indiqus.com This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited unless proper authorization has been obtained for such action. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. Although IndiQus attempts to sweep e-mail and attachments for viruses, it does not guarantee that both are virus-free and accepts no liability for any damage sustained as a result of viruses. On 22 Jun 2021, 1:12 PM +0530, Rohit Yadav , wrote: > All, > > With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 > (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now to > completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I did a quick > test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue to work on Rocky > release. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Rohit Yadav > > >
[DISCUSS] Rocky 8.4 and CloudStack
All, With GA release of Rocky Linux 8.4 (https://docs.rockylinux.org/release_notes/8.4) does it make sense now to completely drop support for CentOS8 in the next major release? I did a quick test and it seems rpms built on centos8 container continue to work on Rocky release. Thoughts? Regards, Rohit Yadav
