Re: D-BUS, anyone?

[Rahul Siddharthan]

walt wrote:
>DragonFly is known for its messaging infrastructure, so this
>seems like a good place to ask about D-BUS:
>
>http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/dbus
>
>D-BUS is strictly userland, AFAIK.  I've suddenly started seeing
>dbus processes running in the background on linux and NetBSD, so
>developers in mainstream projects are beginning to use it.
>
>Anyone know about it, or have any thoughts to share?

I've been very impressed with linux lately: I installed ubuntu 5.10
on my wife's laptop, and if you insert a CD or a memory stick or
a digital camera or whatever, it "just works" -- an icon pops up on 
the desktop and you can look at the contents, drag and drop etc
(with either gnome or KDE).  This sort of thing is really needed for
non-techie users, but even I find it pretty convenient.

As I understand, it works with dbus and hal
   http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/hal
and hal, at least, requires kernel support: it seems to work only with
linux kernel 2.6, not 2.4.

In my opinion, the *only* thing holding linux back now is lack of
support for some esoteric hardware and lack of the most popular
windows software (eg, you can use gaim or kopete for instant
messaging, but you really don't get all the bells and whistles that
MSN or Yahoo messengers have).  In terms of intrinsic
userfriendliness, something like Ubuntu is already there now -- far
ahead of Windows actually.

It would be nice to see the BSDs in the same state sometime.

Rahul

Re: DP performance

[Tim]

> I wonder why it is that important 'who' Danial Thom is, or even
> whoMatthew Dillon is, in this kind of discussion.
[...]

> it shouldn't be important, and there is a simple solution to this problem...
[...]

It's important only in this particular discussion, especially when
one party has thus far not provided any technical details.

Tim

D-BUS, anyone?

[walt]

DragonFly is known for its messaging infrastructure, so this
seems like a good place to ask about D-BUS:

http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/dbus

D-BUS is strictly userland, AFAIK.  I've suddenly started seeing
dbus processes running in the background on linux and NetBSD, so
developers in mainstream projects are beginning to use it.

Anyone know about it, or have any thoughts to share?

Mercurial repo available

[Simon 'corecode' Schubert]

Hey,

I am happy and proud to announce that I am now providing a Mercurial 
repo (http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/) which is synced regularly from 
the main CVS repo.


So all friends of the distributed SCM, here is what you do to get stuff 
going:


cd /usr/pkgsrc/devel
fetch -O - 
http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/~corecode/unsorted/mercurial.tar.gz | tar 
xzf -

cd mercurial
bmake install

rehash
mv /usr/src /usr/src.cvs
hg clone http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/hg/dragonfly-src /usr/src

# later...
cd /usr/src && hg pull

actually you might want to
hg clone -U http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/hg/dragonfly-src 
/path/to/dragonfly-src-in


and then
hg clone /path/to/dragonfly-src-in /usr/src

so that you have a pristine copy of the repo locally available and have 
your own branch in /usr/src.  Having /path/to/dragonfly-src-in and 
/usr/src (in general all local branches) on the same filesystem will 
save lots of space as mercurial can use hardlinks.


For an excellent analysis of distributed SCM in general and Mercurial 
especially, have a look at Ollivier Robert's ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
paper for eurobsdcon 2005:



feedback welcome, as always.

cheers
  simon

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Re: DP performance

[robert wilson]

Vinicius Santos wrote:
> I wonder why it is that important 'who' Danial Thom is, or even whoMatthew 
> Dillon is, in this kind of discussion. I thought that theory,reasoning and 
> results were what mattered and that the rest was justdecorative fallacy, wich 
> might be annoying when it's in the field ofpersonnal insult.
it shouldn't be important, and there is a simple solution to this problem...
"Anonymity counters vanity. On a forum where registration is required,
or even where people give themselves names, a clique is developed of the
elite users, and posts deal as much with who you are as what you are
posting. On an anonymous forum, if you can't tell who posts what, logic
will overrule vanity. As Hiroyuki, the administrator of 2ch, writes:
If there is a user ID attached to a user, a discussion tends to become a
criticizing game. On the other hand, under the anonymous system, even
though your opinion/information is criticized, you don't know with whom
to be upset. Also with a user ID, those who participate in the site for
a long time tend to have authority, and it becomes difficult for a user
to disagree with them. Under a perfectly anonymous system, you can say,
"it's boring," if it is actually boring. All information is treated
equally; only an accurate argument will work."