Re: GSoC: LiveCD
Louisa Luciani wrote: The GSoC is now upon us and so it is time to hear what you guys would like to see on the new and improved: DragonFly The X Edition Live-CD ;) Since I do not want to start an unmanageable discussion, I'd like to receive your replies privately so that I can return with the compiled results, and the discussion can continue from there. Everyone's input is valuable, so please, the more mail the better. Basically, I have four questions: 1. What tools do you, as a developer want available? 2. What programs do you, as a casual/power user want available? 3. What DragonFly specific features are worth including? fairq, vkernels, hammer preview, +more ? 4. Any other random ideas or opinions concerning Live-CDs? You can now find all the suggestions I have received so far here: http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/index.cgi/LiveDVDGSoC feel free to add stuff under 'suggestions'. Perhaps we can begin by discussing the desktop environment/window manager (Everyone who has emailed me so far has a different opinion on this). e.g. What are your experiences? Do we want more qt or gtk programs? -- Louisa Luciani www.lolaluci.se/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: setrlimit equivalent to prevent unlink or truncate
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Re: GSoC: LiveCD
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 12:34:11PM +0200, Louisa Luciani wrote: Perhaps we can begin by discussing the desktop environment/window manager (Everyone who has emailed me so far has a different opinion on this). e.g. What are your experiences? Do we want more qt or gtk programs? I think using qt/kde would be easier. As the size does not count to much on a DVD using 100+ gnome apps would be a bit harder. So I would start with KDE if I were you. xfce4 is also a good one imo and should be also faster than kde, but i've never tried kde4. And the most important is ratpoison of course :) -- voroskoi
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
I think using qt/kde would be easier. As the size does not count to much on a DVD using 100+ gnome apps would be a bit harder. So I would start with KDE if I were you. xfce4 is also a good one imo and should be also faster than kde, but i've never tried kde4. And the most important is ratpoison of course :) I think using Gnome would be better than KDE. Firstly, all popular apps use gtk+ like: Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Pidgin, Xchat, Wireshark, gvim, Ekiga, F-Spot, Gimp, and much more. Secondly, (if we had a compatible HAL) gnome has a lot nicer services like NetworkManager, gvfs (volume-manager), power-manager, bluetooth-manager and more. Lastly, KDE is oftentimes quite ugly and has way too many buttons. In so far as simple window-managers are concerned, there are are newer cooler ones that good 'ol blackbox and ratpoison, such as: wm/awesome (lightweight) and wip/e17 (almost lightweight). My vote is on one big one: meta-pkgs/gnome and one small one: wm/awesome -- Robert Luciani Chalmers University of Technology, SWE Department of Computer Science and Engineering http://www.rluciani.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Robert Luciani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think using qt/kde would be easier. As the size does not count to much on a DVD using 100+ gnome apps would be a bit harder. So I would start with KDE if I were you. xfce4 is also a good one imo and should be also faster than kde, but i've never tried kde4. And the most important is ratpoison of course :) I think using Gnome would be better than KDE. Firstly, all popular apps use gtk+ like: Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Pidgin, Xchat, Wireshark, gvim, Ekiga, F-Spot, Gimp, and much more. Secondly, (if we had a compatible HAL) gnome has a lot nicer services like NetworkManager, gvfs (volume-manager), power-manager, bluetooth-manager and more. Lastly, KDE is oftentimes quite ugly and has way too many buttons. In so far as simple window-managers are concerned, there are are newer cooler ones that good 'ol blackbox and ratpoison, such as: wm/awesome (lightweight) and wip/e17 (almost lightweight). My vote is on one big one: meta-pkgs/gnome and one small one: wm/awesome Oh, is awesome smaller than wmii3? Best Regards, sephe -- Live Free or Die
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 04:13:11PM +0200, Robert Luciani wrote: I think using Gnome would be better than KDE. Firstly, all popular apps use gtk+ like: Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Pidgin, Xchat, Wireshark, gvim, Ekiga, F-Spot, Gimp, and much more. Well, these depends on gtk+2, not gnome. It's quite obvious that you can not live without gtk. I mean I can hardly imagine any desktop machine without gtk. Secondly, (if we had a compatible HAL) gnome has a lot nicer services like NetworkManager, gvfs (volume-manager), power-manager, bluetooth-manager and more. OK, I'm not too familiar with these. Lastly, KDE is oftentimes quite ugly and has way too many buttons. I could argue on that, but as I prefer the lightweight things it does not really affects me. Anyway choose the one you use more often, so you will know how things should work and probably also how to fix the bugs popping up. In so far as simple window-managers are concerned, there are are newer cooler ones that good 'ol blackbox and ratpoison, such as: wm/awesome (lightweight) and wip/e17 (almost lightweight). Awesome is good with a proper config file. I only tried once. As for e17: I would not use it. I'm the e17 maintainer in frugalware and e17 is alpha, maximum beta. So it's just not ready. And there are not much apps written for EFL, so it just does not worth the work. Just my 0.02. My vote is on one big one: meta-pkgs/gnome and one small one: wm/awesome Well, it's your call. Whatever you choose is good for me. -- voroskoi
Re: lseek(2) problems
:... :chose to require that errno be set to [EINVAL] when the resulting file :offset would be negative for a regular file, block special file, or :directory. : :You can download the testcase if you want, but I also attach a simple :testcase. Let me know what do you think about it. : :-- :voroskoi This looks really easy to fix. I'll do it right now. -Matt
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
On Mon, June 2, 2008 6:34 am, Louisa Luciani wrote: Perhaps we can begin by discussing the desktop environment/window manager (Everyone who has emailed me so far has a different opinion on this). e.g. What are your experiences? Do we want more qt or gtk programs? I don't want to drown the user in choices; the whole reason for a Live disk like this is to let the user get started doing stuff, and not have to take time picking window managers and other programs. Any window manger will work, as long as it remains the same. Knowing what the interface will look like is very valuable when troubleshooting or writing documentation; nobody wants to have to rewrite instructions three times for every window manager that might be running. My concern (and this is possible with any WM) is that it recognizably looks like a DragonFly system. There should be some obviously available READMEs on the desktop; links to the website, a desktop background pulled from the ones we have saved in cvs:/site/save - etc.
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
:I don't want to drown the user in choices; the whole reason for a Live :disk like this is to let the user get started doing stuff, and not have to :take time picking window managers and other programs. : :Any window manger will work, as long as it remains the same. Knowing what :the interface will look like is very valuable when troubleshooting or :writing documentation; nobody wants to have to rewrite instructions three :times for every window manager that might be running. : :My concern (and this is possible with any WM) is that it recognizably :looks like a DragonFly system. There should be some obviously available :READMEs on the desktop; links to the website, a desktop background pulled :from the ones we have saved in cvs:/site/save - etc. Yes, this is my general feeling too. I am not going to advocate one particular window manager over another. In fact I would go as far as to say that the one doing the grind is the one doing the chosing, there, and I'll be happy with whatever is chosen :-). -Matt Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
I think guys, we should use KDE 4.x for the GUI on the livecd. Petr On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:45:31 am VOROSKOI Andras wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 04:13:11PM +0200, Robert Luciani wrote: I think using Gnome would be better than KDE. Firstly, all popular apps use gtk+ like: Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Pidgin, Xchat, Wireshark, gvim, Ekiga, F-Spot, Gimp, and much more. Well, these depends on gtk+2, not gnome. It's quite obvious that you can not live without gtk. I mean I can hardly imagine any desktop machine without gtk. Secondly, (if we had a compatible HAL) gnome has a lot nicer services like NetworkManager, gvfs (volume-manager), power-manager, bluetooth-manager and more. OK, I'm not too familiar with these. Lastly, KDE is oftentimes quite ugly and has way too many buttons. I could argue on that, but as I prefer the lightweight things it does not really affects me. Anyway choose the one you use more often, so you will know how things should work and probably also how to fix the bugs popping up. In so far as simple window-managers are concerned, there are are newer cooler ones that good 'ol blackbox and ratpoison, such as: wm/awesome (lightweight) and wip/e17 (almost lightweight). Awesome is good with a proper config file. I only tried once. As for e17: I would not use it. I'm the e17 maintainer in frugalware and e17 is alpha, maximum beta. So it's just not ready. And there are not much apps written for EFL, so it just does not worth the work. Just my 0.02. My vote is on one big one: meta-pkgs/gnome and one small one: wm/awesome Well, it's your call. Whatever you choose is good for me.
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Petr Janda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think guys, we should use KDE 4.x for the GUI on the livecd. Petr +1 for KDE 4.x K.
Re: GSoC: LiveCD
Karthik Subramanian wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Petr Janda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think guys, we should use KDE 4.x for the GUI on the livecd. Petr +1 for KDE 4.x KDE committer hat on Wow! I see a lot of resources coming to make KDE 4 work on DragonFly ... FYI, even Qt 4.4 doesn't work correctly yet on DragonFly. /all hats off Seriously, this discussion is irrelevant to the project IMHO. LiveCD/DVD project should create infrastructure for building CD and DVD images with whatever packages I, as iso builder, would like to see on it. just my 2c, -- Hasso Tepper
