Re: zipped ISO in addition to gz?
I know I've wanted to burn a ISO from a windows computer before and thought it would have been convenient if I could just download a zip file. -Kevin -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: mounting a ext2fs part and need fsck_ext2fs
You can find e2fsprogs in pkgsrc/sysutils. I've never tried it but I see no reason it shouldn't work. I think I'd try it on a test partition before using on something valuable, however. I tried installing e2fsprogs and it resulted in this: CC ./getsize.c ./getsize.c: In function `ext2fs_get_device_size': ./getsize.c:156: error: storage size of 'lab' isn't known *** Error code 1 Stop. bmake: stopped in /usr/obj/pkgsrc/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.39/lib/ext2fs *** Error code 1 Stop. bmake: stopped in /usr/obj/pkgsrc/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.39 *** Error code 1 Stop. bmake: stopped in /usr/obj/pkgsrc/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.39 *** Error code 1 Stop. bmake: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/sysutils/e2fsprogs *** Error code 1 Stop. bmake: stopped in /usr/pkgsrc/sysutils/e2fsprogs # -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
mounting a ext2fs part and need fsck_ext2fs
Im trying to mount a ext2fs partition from dragonfly but I keep getting a error like this: mount_ext2fs: /dev/ad2s1: Invalid argument There wasnt much info about why this happens, I did find a post somewhere that said if its a ext3 part that got shutdown improper you need to fsck first before mounting it. Is there another issue that it might be? And can anyone point me at a place to get fsck_ext2fs for my dfly machine that wont be a complete hack :). Thanks, Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Website Download Page broken links
On http://www.dragonflybsd.org/community/download.shtml the 'bootstrap kits' links under the pkgsrc binary mirrors section all go to error 404 pages. All except the norway mirror. Should this go to bugs@ instead? -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
website has two versions of download.shtml
I happened to get to http://www.dragonflybsd.org/main/download.shtml it currently is supposed to reside at http://www.dragonflybsd.org/community/download.shtml but the problem is that main/download.shtml is different than community/download.shtml. main/ is older and refers to mirrors that dont exist. Maybe main/download.shtml should be removed or redirected to community/. -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: wiki log of #dragonfly irc channel
Yah, it's pretty silly. People have been logging IRC sessions and putting them up on the web for over a decade. Nobody should have any expectation of privacy on IRC. I thought even the default(?) install of irssi logs all the channels you join so I just checked and my machine has been logging #dragonflybsd(and all other channels I lurk in) for quite some time. Here it is as it has some stuff from before the bot started recording, it goes back to Dec 20, 2006: http://www.uberstyle.net/~kevin/dragonflybsd.log -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: wiki log of #dragonfly irc channel
Here it is as it has some stuff from before the bot started recording, it goes back to Dec 20, 2006: On second thought I think it was irresponsible to post this without asking permission as it logs things that happened back before the issue of logging was raised(?), and to be courteous to those that thought their words wouldn't be published I wont be make them available to the world. -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Using pkgsrc versus maintaining software the old fashioned way
I was looking around the source and I couldn't help but notice that many things are maintained in the DF cvs repository that could be maintained by pkgsrc instead. Just install them as packages right off the CD and then the way I see it you let pkgsrc worry about updating some random contrib software. Examples include: top, binutils, sendmail(or postfix). Is there any reason why its preferable to maintain the stuff in DF by hand instead of relying more on pkgsrc? -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: Xen vs VMware
On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the number of potential bugs you might run into a lot more then a machine emulator does. The master and guest relationship exists inside the VMWare model as well. I don't see how Xen is any more or less bug prone. They are just two approaches at acheiving the exact same goal. And with the new VT hardware, guest operating systems no longer need to be Xen aware or ported. As an aside has anyone tried using DragonFly under Xen with the VT enabled hardware? -Kevink -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: Xen vs VMware
Possibly offtopic for this thread, but: Will the approach your taking with DragonFly allow for quickly and easily migrating the virtualized kernels between machines? Also, what about the possibility of running your userland kernels under other operating systems? One of the advantages that Xen and VMWare has is that you CAN run multiple operating systems when you are forced to. -Kevink On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :On 10/18/06, Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Generally speaking I prefer the VMWare concept over the Xen concept. : Xen actually has to run two operating systems, one serving as the : master and the other as the 'guest' OS, and this compounds the : number of potential bugs you might run into a lot more then a machine : emulator does. : :The master and guest relationship exists inside the VMWare model as :well. I don't see how Xen is any more or less bug prone. They are :just two approaches at acheiving the exact same goal. And with the :new VT hardware, guest operating systems no longer need to be Xen :aware or ported. : :As an aside has anyone tried using DragonFly under Xen with the VT :enabled hardware? : :-Kevink : :-- :Kevin L. Kane :kevin.kane at gmail.com Yes, that's very true. I suppose the approach I favor the most is the one I am taking with the DragonFly virtualization work... that is, running the virtualized kernel as a standard user process linked against libc, with only very minimal support required from the 'real' kernel to allow the virtual kernel to manage the VM contexts for its own 'user' processes. That way you don't actually have to learn to admin two different operating systems. -Matt Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: DragonflyBSD on the desktop (was: Re: Replacing Sendmail with Postfix in the base system)
Is there an official binary driver policy for DragonFly? I understand people want the fast GUI and stuff to work, but giving in to the crap that companies push on the open source community isn't acceptable in my opinion. Its just going to ultimately prolong the problem and diminish the efforts of people trying to get companies to open up their drivers. Personally, I would say its good if you don't support the likes of nvidia. -Kevin On 6/14/06, Thomas Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 15:49 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I dispute that. DragonFly will be just as suited for desktops as Linux is. Simply because X works and desktop environments work on it. I really wish that. However, in the near coming days, noone will use DragonFly on desktop simply because Linux and FreeBSD will have OpenGL accelerated X for which you need 3rd party drivers. I briefly installed KDE on FreeBSD without nvidia drivers. It was ok, but GUI was slow, redrawing windows was slow(same on DragonFly), then I installed nvidia drivers and now it's very smooth, ready for desktop use. Sadly, there won't be nvidia drivers for DragonFly any time soon. Well, I use KDE on Dragonfly, with an ATI Mobility X600 on my notebook and a Nvidia card on my desktop. I wouldn't say, it feels slow compared to Linux, but that may be a subjective thing. But I agree, that OpenGL could become more important, when KDE4 will arrive next year with new eyecandy. For me, the lack of (building) desktop apps I want to use in pkgsrc are a greater problem. Thomas -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
System crashes but unsure why
For a while now I get intermittent crashes on one of my dragonfly machines currently using head as of 3 days ago. Basically what happens is i start to make buildworld, and ill let that run overnight(its a pretty slow machine, dual 433mhz) the next morning the buildworld will have finished but the machine is frozen, no error messages anywhere that i can find, but the console is unusable and it wont respond to pings. Any ideas on how i can investigate whats happening a little more thoroughly, maybe there are error messages but I dont know where to look? The kernel im running has both SMP and APIC enabled. Mobo/cpu: ABIT BP6 mobo running dual 433mhz celerons -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: Any serious production servers yet?
So, 2-3 years tops, and there won't be any more single-core offerings from AMD or Intel. Probably not even for laptops. This is really already happening, ALL of Apple's new latops are dual core only and the only single core Intel based mac is the cheapest Mini. On 5/30/06, Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Matthew Dillon wrote: : Well, keep in mind, that in 2-3 years time there won't *BE* any : single-cpu computers any more... : :I'm still confused about the difference (if any) between a motherboard :with two separate CPU's and a new mobo with a dual-core CPU. : :From your point of view as a kernel programmer, is there any difference? Basically, single-processor motherboards of yesterday still look the same as today, but that physical cpu chip you plug into the board can actually contain two cpu's instead of one if you are using a multi-core cpu (and a multi-core capable MB, of course). So you get the same computing power out of it as a dual-socket motherboard would have given you. It gets even better for SMP boards. The two-socket opteron MB of yesterday could accomodate two single-core cpu's giving you 2xCPU worth of computing power. A two-socket opteron MB of today can accomodate two multi-core cpu's giving you 4 cpu's and about 3x the performance. A 4-socket box gives you 6x the performance. It IS true that the initial dual-core parts run at a slightly slower clock rate. But this isn't because they are dual-core, it is simply because both AMD and Intel know that they had gone over the heat dissipation limits in their attempting to max-out the clock frequency of their single-core CPUs and going to dual-core gave them just the excuse they needed to back down to more reasonable dissipative levels. The result is that cooling requirements for dual-core cpu's, not to mention case and power supply requirements, are far lower. Lower requirements == costs less money to maintain, and in a server room == costs less money in electricity and costs less money in cooling. People don't care about single-core performance any more these days, because most computing jobs aren't single threaded. Even a mail server isn't single threaded... it forks off a process for each connection. As these cpu's approach price parity, dual-core makes more and more sense *EVEN* if you don't actually need the extra computing power, simply because the clock frequency reduction results in far, far less power use. What matters now is computing performance per watt of electricity used. That isn't to say that people are dropping AMD and Intel and going to ARM... there are still minimum performance requirements simply due to the cost of all the other hardware that makes up a computer. But it does mean that people would rather have two 2.0 GHz cpus which together use LESS power then a single 2.6 GHz cpu. So from my point of view, we win both ways. Not only are there plenty of applications that can use the newly available computing power, even if it is just in 'burst' usage, but you get that new power at lower cost. Even without price parity on the cpus (and as I have said, price parity is rapidly approaching anyhow), it is STILL worth it simply due to savings in electricity costs. I spend over $2500/year JUST to power my machine room. That's down from the $3500/year I was spending two years ago when I had 1/4 of the computing power shoved into that room as I have today. This means that I really don't give a damn whether a dual-core cpu costs a bit more money or not. The extra few hundred I spend on it today is easily made up in the power savings I get over the course of a single year. The reason? More aggregate computing power eating less electricity. If you think about it, this equation... 'more aggregate computing power eating less electricity' is PRECISELY what multi-core gives us. As Martin mentioned, using virtualization to concentrate computing power results in a huge savings. Multi-core allows you to concentrate the computing power, eating less electricity in the process, even more. -Matt Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kevin L. Kane kevin.kane at gmail.com
Re: ICH7 ?
ok some more info... using this iso: http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/pub/DragonFly/snapshots/i386/LATEST-Devel.iso.bz2 it fails with default option at the loader prompt, but if you say load with ACPI disabled it works fine. -Kevink On 4/6/06, Kevin L. Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im having the same problem as this on a Dell Optiplex GX280 with a SATA HD. I tried making a iso from preview and that also failed. -Kevink On 4/6/06, Terry Tree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/6/06, David Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Hauser wrote: bsddiy wrote @ Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:27:02 +0800: Chuck Tuffli wrote: On 4/4/06, David Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any dragonflybsd .iso I can install on intel ICH7 south bridge based machine ? I was able to install 1.4 on a ECS PF5 Extreme (Intel 945 based w/ ICH7). Using a SATA-II drive didn't work (NCQ maybe?), but I was able to install the OS without any other trouble on a regular IDE drive. Hope that helps. ---chuck Yes, it is Intel 945, and dual-core Pentium-D, the HDD is SATA disk, and supports NCQ, is this the problem ? NCQ on itself shouldn't matter. What is the problem exactly? Maybe you can post the dmesg? Or did the iso fail to boot at all? The only problem i had with SATA was that the boot0 couldn't find the SATA drives so i had to use an ATA drive for the loader but that was with another controller, not ICH7. It is the kernel's problem, it did not find any disk/disc controller, dmesg looks like this: Mounting root from: cd9660:cd0c no such device 'cd' setrootbyname failed is_mountroot: can't find rootvp Root mount failed: 6 Mount root from cd9660:acd0c no such device 'acd' setrootbyname failed iso_mountroot: can't find rootvp Root mount failed: 6 Mounting root from cd9660:cd1c no such device 'cd' setrootbyname failed iso_mountroot: can't find rootvp .. I see these messages on my machines too, but my machines boot up fine. Most of my machines are intel p4.
Re: errno contain 672964768
Not sure if this is relevant, but when malloc option G is enabled and anything using libc_r is ran it breaks. Definitely pointing to something being off in libc_r, not sure if this is the same problem or helpful in anyway. -Kevin On 3/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 08:01:03PM -0800, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I am trying to track down why ktrace shows RET select -1 errno 4 Interrupted system call But errno has 672964768. I suspect a bug in the thread switching code of libc_r, but didn't have time to fully investigate it. Can you try to create a testcase based on what the code is doing? Joerg
Re: .bashrc not working
maybe you want to have a .bash_profile that says source .bashrc if there? something like this? if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then . ~/.bashrc fi On 2/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, for some reason it appears that .bashrc is not being read after a login. It contains this line: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/pkg/bin:/usr/pkg/sbin if i run this directly on the command line it works. Any ideas whats wrong? Im running 1.4. Petr
