Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 09:22:12AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:27:15AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, maybe i8254 is not working at all. Could you post following information: - bootverbose dmesg w/ hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf - sysctl kern.cputimer - sysctl hw.acpi Attached the requested details. Grrr, only C1 is detected. If the CPU does support C3, there could be some settings in BIOS? Best Regards, sephe -- Tomorrow Will Never Die The BIOS settings are very limited. I did not find anything that looks like configuring the C-states. You can just enable/disable the HPET timer, the ACPI wake states (S1 or S3) and other settings that are not related to ACPI/frequency scaling like configuring the USB ports. It looks like FreeBSD also doesn't detect the settings well: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-acpi/2011-August/007264.html I guess there is no chance to get C3 states working. I looked into the manual [1] and on page 28ff the table lists the expected power consumption when the system is in various states. I did not see any C3 state there, only C1. So I guess I have to use this board with the limitation or think about changing to a board that supports frequency scaling. Thanks for your support. Regards, Sven [1] http://downloadmirror.intel.com/19123/eng/D525MW_D525MWV_TechProdSpec.pdf
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
Also on the D5* atoms on FreeBSD it would be nice to check that it actually works as advertised, by running a few cpu-bound processes (i.e. for (;;); ) and measuring the watts being burned at different frequencies. That's the real proof that the frequency scaling is doing something real. -Matt
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:00 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:27:15AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, maybe i8254 is not working at all. Could you post following information: - bootverbose dmesg w/ hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf - sysctl kern.cputimer - sysctl hw.acpi Attached the requested details. Grrr, only C1 is detected. If the CPU does support C3, there could be some settings in BIOS? Best Regards, sephe -- Tomorrow Will Never Die
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:02:58AM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: As Brian Mastenbrook pointed out in a comment on the digest, the Atom should support P4TCC: http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/07/24/10128.html Check your CPU features in dmesg. It should show the TM feature, as it does on my Atom 330 (second to last): Features=0xbfe9fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Compiling the kernel with CPU_ENABLE_TCC gives new dmesg and sysctls: almsta# grep TCC /var/run/dmesg.boot Pentium 4 TCC support enabled, current performance 13% almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 13 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf_performance: 100 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf_economy: 13 However, a quick test with factor(6) showed no difference between 13 and 100: almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc.cpuperf=100 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 13 - 100 almsta# time factor 23424111 23424111: 7 7 4780430839 4.726u 0.000s 0:04.77 98.9% 16+66k 0+0io 0pf+0w almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc.cpuperf=13 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 100 - 13 almsta# time factor 23424111 23424111: 7 7 4780430839 4.726u 0.007s 0:04.77 98.9% 16+66k 0+0io 0pf+0w Anyway, if your system is i386, try out adding options CPU_ENABLE_TCC to the config and see what it gives. I'll see later today about providing it for x86_64 too. Sascha Thanks a lot for all the hints. I will try this options these days and get back with the results. Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:59:35AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Sepherosa Ziehau sepher...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] I mean following steps: 1) Add the following line into into /boot/loader.conf, then reboot: hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 2) sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3 I mean do step1) first, then do step 2) after step1)'s reboot. I did that, but I cannot set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3. I always get Invalid argument when running sudo sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3. Regards, Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:01 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:59:35AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Sepherosa Ziehau sepher...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] I mean following steps: 1) Add the following line into into /boot/loader.conf, then reboot: hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 2) sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3 I mean do step1) first, then do step 2) after step1)'s reboot. I did that, but I cannot set hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3. I always get Invalid argument when running sudo sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3. Hmm, maybe i8254 is not working at all. Could you post following information: - bootverbose dmesg w/ hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf - sysctl kern.cputimer - sysctl hw.acpi Best Regards, sephe Regards, Sven -- Tomorrow Will Never Die
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: Hello, I bought an Atom based Intel D525MW board. DragonFly release is running on that system. But I have a few minor issues. The CPU is getting somewhat warm (about 55 degrees celsius). [...] As Brian Mastenbrook pointed out in a comment on the digest, the Atom should support P4TCC: http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/07/24/10128.html Check your CPU features in dmesg. It should show the TM feature, as it does on my Atom 330 (second to last): Features=0xbfe9fbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Compiling the kernel with CPU_ENABLE_TCC gives new dmesg and sysctls: almsta# grep TCC /var/run/dmesg.boot Pentium 4 TCC support enabled, current performance 13% almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 13 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf_performance: 100 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf_economy: 13 However, a quick test with factor(6) showed no difference between 13 and 100: almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc.cpuperf=100 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 13 - 100 almsta# time factor 23424111 23424111: 7 7 4780430839 4.726u 0.000s 0:04.77 98.9% 16+66k 0+0io 0pf+0w almsta# sysctl hw.p4tcc.cpuperf=13 hw.p4tcc.cpuperf: 100 - 13 almsta# time factor 23424111 23424111: 7 7 4780430839 4.726u 0.007s 0:04.77 98.9% 16+66k 0+0io 0pf+0w Anyway, if your system is i386, try out adding options CPU_ENABLE_TCC to the config and see what it gives. I'll see later today about providing it for x86_64 too. Sascha
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
All, just my 2 cents :-) since one week, I'm just installing dbsd on an hp-mini: Atom N455. I've no CPU related issues. here sysctl out put: hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1 hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.available: 1666 1333 1000 hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.members: cpu0(1000) hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.select: 1000 hw.acpi.cpu.px_global: 1666 hw.acpi.cpu0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/57 hw.acpi.cpu0.cx_lowest: C1 hw.acpi.cpu0.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% 0.00% last 5000us hw.acpi.cpu1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/57 hw.acpi.cpu1.cx_lowest: C1 hw.acpi.cpu1.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% 0.00% last 5000u powerd sounds to work: dfly# powerd -d qavg= 0.02 savg= 0.00 1/ 1 ncpus=0 dom0 set frequency 1000 qavg= 1.02 savg= 0.34 0/ 0 ncpus=1 dom0 set frequency 1666 qavg= 0.00 savg= 0.22 1/ 1 ncpus=0 dom0 set frequency 1000 qavg= 0.49 savg= 0.28 0/ 0 ncpus=1 Please note that I'm using dbsd current (21/07/2012). if I can help to perform additional tests ... do not hesitate, this is test machine. Regards William ps: Later I will post more details about what is working and what not. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:28:14AM +, Adrian Bocaniciu wrote: Intel Atom processors, unlike more expensive Intel processors, do not support frequency scaling. See for example the specifications for Atom D525 at: http://ark.intel.com/products/49490/ where it is stated that Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology is not supported. The same is written in all Atom datasheets. The only way to reduce the power consumption of Atom is to ensure that the processor is halted when it has nothing to do, i.e. in the idle loop, which I suppose that DragonFlyBSD does, or to use the ACPI C3 sleep state whenever you can tolerate the latency required for waking up the processor. I also have a couple of D525MW boards, but I have not tested DragonFlyBSD on them, and they are much less warm, but my Mini-ITX cases (Lian Li Antec) have case coolers that ensure an adequate air flow inside the cases even if both the motherboards and the power supplies are fanless. Thanks for the details. I did not look at that point as I expected at least frequency scaling which is supported by the Atom on the Fit-PC2 I also use. I think I will try to get the temperature down by using a fan. But then it is no longer a fanless system that I wanted to have running all the time. And a system in a mini-ITX case with a temperature of 55 degrees is not what I want to have running all the time. Thanks all for the help. I guess I will have to think about a replacement to get a cooler fanless system. Regards, Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:05:54 +0200, william opensource4you william.o...@gmail.com wrote: All, just my 2 cents :-) since one week, I'm just installing dbsd on an hp-mini: Atom N455. I've no CPU related issues. Yeah, N* Atoms support Enhanced SpeedStep, while D* Atoms don't. Sascha
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, disabling UEFI is OK, but make sure that you have enabled EST in BIOS (something probably read like enhanced speed step or something like P-state). There is no such option. And the only UEFI option is to enable booting of an UEFI compliant OS. Speed stepping cannot be configured. The BIOS options are very limited. Besides CPU P-State, you could also set allowable CPU C-State to C3 by setting sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest and put tunable hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf (you need to reboot after changing /boot/loader.conf). However, it should be noted that enabling C3 will disable LAPIC timer and i8254 timer will be used instead, which may cause extra overhead. This seems not to change anything. The temperature remains the same. And setting hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest returns with Invalid Argument. Updating the BIOS to a more recent version did also not help. Thanks for your hints. Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:28:14AM +, Adrian Bocaniciu wrote: Intel Atom processors, unlike more expensive Intel processors, do not support frequency scaling. See for example the specifications for Atom D525 at: http://ark.intel.com/products/49490/ where it is stated that Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology is not supported. The same is written in all Atom datasheets. The only way to reduce the power consumption of Atom is to ensure that the processor is halted when it has nothing to do, i.e. in the idle loop, which I suppose that DragonFlyBSD does, or to use the ACPI C3 sleep state whenever you can tolerate the latency required for waking up the processor. I also have a couple of D525MW boards, but I have not tested DragonFlyBSD on them, and they are much less warm, but my Mini-ITX cases (Lian Li Antec) have case coolers that ensure an adequate air flow inside the cases even if both the motherboards and the power supplies are fanless. Thanks for the details. I did not look at that point as I expected at least frequency scaling which is supported by the Atom on the Fit-PC2 I also use. I think I will try to get the temperature down by using a fan. But then it is no longer a fanless system that I wanted to have running all the time. And a system in a mini-ITX case with a temperature of 55 degrees is not what I want to have running all the time. Thanks all for the help. I guess I will have to think about a replacement to get a cooler fanless system. Regards, Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:24:38 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, disabling UEFI is OK, but make sure that you have enabled EST in BIOS (something probably read like enhanced speed step or something like P-state). There is no such option. And the only UEFI option is to enable booting of an UEFI compliant OS. Speed stepping cannot be configured. The BIOS options are very limited. It looks like the Atom D525 (along with the rest of D*) does not support it: http://ark.intel.com/products/49490 Only N*, Z* and E* Atoms seem to have it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microprocessors Sascha
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, disabling UEFI is OK, but make sure that you have enabled EST in BIOS (something probably read like enhanced speed step or something like P-state). There is no such option. And the only UEFI option is to enable booting of an UEFI compliant OS. Speed stepping cannot be configured. The BIOS options are very limited. Besides CPU P-State, you could also set allowable CPU C-State to C3 by setting sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest and put tunable hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf (you need to reboot after changing /boot/loader.conf). However, it should be noted that enabling C3 will disable LAPIC timer and i8254 timer will be used instead, which may cause extra overhead. This seems not to change anything. The temperature remains the same. And setting hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest returns with Invalid Argument. I mean following steps: 1) Add the following line into into /boot/loader.conf, then reboot: hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 2) sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3 Best Regards, sephe -- Tomorrow Will Never Die
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Sepherosa Ziehau sepher...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:44:06AM +0800, Sepherosa Ziehau wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Hmm, disabling UEFI is OK, but make sure that you have enabled EST in BIOS (something probably read like enhanced speed step or something like P-state). There is no such option. And the only UEFI option is to enable booting of an UEFI compliant OS. Speed stepping cannot be configured. The BIOS options are very limited. Besides CPU P-State, you could also set allowable CPU C-State to C3 by setting sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest and put tunable hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf (you need to reboot after changing /boot/loader.conf). However, it should be noted that enabling C3 will disable LAPIC timer and i8254 timer will be used instead, which may cause extra overhead. This seems not to change anything. The temperature remains the same. And setting hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest returns with Invalid Argument. I mean following steps: 1) Add the following line into into /boot/loader.conf, then reboot: hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 2) sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest=C3 I mean do step1) first, then do step 2) after step1)'s reboot. i8254 is intentionally disabled by default, so some mobo w/o it could boot properly. Best Regards, sephe Best Regards, sephe -- Tomorrow Will Never Die -- Tomorrow Will Never Die
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Also there is no sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.select available, so I guess powerd is also running not properly and the CPU frequency is not scaled in any way. After looking into the dmesg output, I guess some driver does not recognize parts of the hardware/ACPI stuff correctly (see below; the text is repeated for the other 3 logical CPUs). cpu0: on acpi0 cpu_cst0: on cpu0 cpu_pst0: Can't get _PSS package - AE_NOT_FOUND The dmesg is attached. It would be great if there is someone who can help me to get this fixed. If more details are necessary, just let me know. Sven Is this a mobo with UEFI? Sascha
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Also there is no sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.select available, so I guess powerd is also running not properly and the CPU frequency is not scaled in any way. After looking into the dmesg output, I guess some driver does not recognize parts of the hardware/ACPI stuff correctly (see below; the text is repeated for the other 3 logical CPUs). cpu0: on acpi0 cpu_cst0: on cpu0 cpu_pst0: Can't get _PSS package - AE_NOT_FOUND The dmesg is attached. It would be great if there is someone who can help me to get this fixed. If more details are necessary, just let me know. Sven Is this a mobo with UEFI? Sascha Yes, but booting via UEFI is disabled. Sven
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Also there is no sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.select available, so I guess powerd is also running not properly and the CPU frequency is not scaled in any way. After looking into the dmesg output, I guess some driver does not recognize parts of the hardware/ACPI stuff correctly (see below; the text is repeated for the other 3 logical CPUs). cpu0: on acpi0 cpu_cst0: on cpu0 cpu_pst0: Can't get _PSS package - AE_NOT_FOUND The dmesg is attached. It would be great if there is someone who can help me to get this fixed. If more details are necessary, just let me know. Sven Is this a mobo with UEFI? Sascha Yes, but booting via UEFI is disabled. IIRC the performance state stuff will not work w/ UEFI. Cc to sephe, as I think he knew more. Sascha
Re: frequency scaling on D525MW not working properly
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Sascha Wildner s...@online.de wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:16:54 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 08:31:41PM +0200, Sascha Wildner wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:46:41 +0200, Sven Gaerner sgaer...@gmx.net wrote: [...] Also there is no sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.px_dom0.select available, so I guess powerd is also running not properly and the CPU frequency is not scaled in any way. After looking into the dmesg output, I guess some driver does not recognize parts of the hardware/ACPI stuff correctly (see below; the text is repeated for the other 3 logical CPUs). cpu0: on acpi0 cpu_cst0: on cpu0 cpu_pst0: Can't get _PSS package - AE_NOT_FOUND The dmesg is attached. It would be great if there is someone who can help me to get this fixed. If more details are necessary, just let me know. Sven Is this a mobo with UEFI? Sascha Yes, but booting via UEFI is disabled. Hmm, disabling UEFI is OK, but make sure that you have enabled EST in BIOS (something probably read like enhanced speed step or something like P-state). Besides CPU P-State, you could also set allowable CPU C-State to C3 by setting sysctl hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest and put tunable hw.i8254.intr_disable=0 in /boot/loader.conf (you need to reboot after changing /boot/loader.conf). However, it should be noted that enabling C3 will disable LAPIC timer and i8254 timer will be used instead, which may cause extra overhead. Best Regards, sephe -- Tomorrow Will Never Die
