Re: Presentation on DragonFly BSD ?

2022-02-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 02/02/2022, Jonathan Drews  wrote:
> Hi Folks:
>
> Would anyone be interested in giving a presentation on DragonFly BSD?
> I am with the Southeastern Michigan BSD Users Group and we would like
> to learn more about this modern operating system. We hold our
> meetings/presentations online through Jitsi.
>
> SEMI-Bug
> http://www.semibug.org/
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Jonathan
>
>

It is unfortunate that the request above, was hijacked by lunatics, to
use this mailing list as a platform for lunatic anti-vaxxers.

Such people are the same in nature, as suicide bombers, and the first
such message, should have caused the list to go into full moderation,
with every message being checked for such political nastiness.

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Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..


Re: DragonFlyBSD Project Update - colo upgrade, future trends

2019-07-30 Thread Bret Busby
On 30/07/2019, M. L. Wilson  wrote:
>
> On 7/30/19 4:46 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>
>>
>> While not related to opensource, Apple provides a good example of the
>> death of email and the shift to the web.  For a long time Apple
>> operated several mailing lists for developers of software that runs on
>> macOS and a couple of years ago Apple announced that they would be
>> shutting down the mailing lists and that everyone should move to the
>> webforums.  There was much angst and wailing, and when Apple didn't
>> reconsider equivalent mailing lists were set up on groups.io.  Those
>> mailing lists are dead with no one posting to them.  Everyone moved to
>> the web and continued on with life because email wasn't as essential
>> as they all claimed.
>>
>
> It is often inconvenient to have to launch a web browser (as bloated as
> they have become) to simply send a few bytes of text communication.
> Browsers are massive ecosystems with their own caveats and security
> issues. Also, increasing consolidation in the browser market around one
> engine (Google's), also has implications for a smaller OS community such
> as DragonFly.
>
> For example look at how much work went into getting rust working on
> DragonFly (necessary for Firefox). If the current trends around browsers
> continue, it may continue take inordinate amounts of time to keep these
> things working well on DragonFly. That is one issue, but how do you
> communicate in the meantime while these transitions occur? Pull out that
> handy Linux/Windows system to launch Firefox/Chromium?
>
> Apple's forray into the webforums that you've mentioned is eerily
> similar to their walled garden approach to things. Web fora reduce
> corporate liability. Anything on them can be removed, reworded or
> censured at any time.
>
> I have an indexed database of every single email sent to users@ since I
> started using DragonFly. In a second I can call up reference to a
> previous problem and troubleshoot. This is invaluable.
>
> Mike
>

And, I have at least 15 years of email messages, including relating to
hundreds of mailing lists (I think it is somewhere around 20GB), and,
fora come and go, like other trends and fashions, and so, lose the
content of the communications, and, with being subscribed to multiple
mailing lists, it is much easier, if a person does not have to
remember hundreds of forum passwords, and, downloading emails from
hundreds of mailing lists, and, running them through hundreds of
filters, takes much less time than having to traverse through even
five or ten fora. Alpine is a wonderful communication device, and, its
father, pine, is older (and more stable) than the Internet (not the
WWW - that is just a newish accessory, that runs on the Internet).

Mailing lists make information accessible, and, storable (?); fora are
simply obstructive and transient.


-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: DragonFlyBSD Project Update - colo upgrade, future trends

2019-07-22 Thread Bret Busby
y two non-MS operating systems  that would drive the CPU -
only Ubuntu Linux (no other Linux) and DragonflyBSD (no other BSD) had
drivers for the Intel Haskell architecture, and, only Ubuntu Linux
(going back to v12.04) had drivers for both the Intel Haskell
architecture and the nVIDIA Optimus thingy. The computer is currently
running UbuntuMATE Linux 16.04.x.

So, I waited, and, watched the mailing list, for information that
DragonflyBSD would run the nVIDIA Optimus thingy.

But, as DragonflyBSD has not yet (insofar as I am aware) incorporated
a driver for the nVIDIA Optimus thingy, and, with DragonflyBSD now
apparently going to end the use of the mailing list, it appears that
it is now time for me to give up waiting for DragonflyBSD to provide
an operating system that I could use. Especially, if, even if a driver
for the nVIDIA Optimus thing, became available, mailing list support
would not be available.

It is kind of sad, to me.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Clarifying the Spectre mitigations...

2018-01-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 10/01/2018, Gerald Henriksen <ghenr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:53:57 +0800, you wrote:
>
>>"As pointed out elsewhere,  this involves 20+ years of processors."
>>
>>Seeking clarification - I understood, from all of the reports, from
>>multiple sources, that I have seen, that it applies to "all processors
>>manufactured in the last ten years".
>
> The following quote:
>
> "At the time of writing, Google believes that "every Intel processor
> which implements out-of-order execution is potentially affected, which
> is effectively every processor since 1995 (except Intel Itanium and
> Intel Atom before 2013)" is affected by Meltdown."
>
> which is from:
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-almost-all-cpus-since-1995-vulnerable-to-meltdown-and-spectre-flaws/
>
>

Now that you have cited it, that is the only formal reference of which
I am aware, that indicates that processors older than ten years, are
susceptible.


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Clarifying the Spectre mitigations...

2018-01-09 Thread Bret Busby
On 10/01/2018, Gerald Henriksen <ghenr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 18:26:54 +, you wrote:
>
>>but I really don't know if it's just an Intel lie at this point (wouldn't
>> be the first one on this fiasco... maybe they just want to avoid a
>> recall)
>
> Like it or not, everything coming out of Intel on this will likely
> have gone through their lawyers with the aim of limiting any legal
> damage, and thus truth loses.  It is the way of the world.
>
> As for the idea of a recall*, won't happen.  As pointed out elsewhere,
> this involves 20+ years of processors.  Intel has neither the money
> nor the fab capabilitity to implement a recall of that many
> processors.
>
>
> * - certain select users may get deals made for new processors, things
> like the supercomputer clusters, where the number of processors is
> relatively small but there is a possible big impact.
>

"As pointed out elsewhere,  this involves 20+ years of processors."

Seeking clarification - I understood, from all of the reports, from
multiple sources, that I have seen, that it applies to "all processors
manufactured in the last ten years".

Please clarify.


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: DragonFly 5.0 released!

2017-10-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 17/10/2017, Gerald Henriksen <ghenr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:09:23 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Who cares? Why are we even talking about stupid proprietary NVidia crap
>>on DF mailing lists at the moment of release of the most advanced file
>>system on the face of the planet?
>
> We are talking about it because a prospective new Dragonfly user asked
> if it would support his hardware.
>
> We are talking about it because as exciting as the new file system is,
> not to mention all the other hardwork done to make a bunch of other
> improvements to Dragonfly, all of that does no good to a user who
> can't run Dragonfly.
>
> By being polite and courteous, and ensuring correct information is
> available, there is the possibility that someone might decide to use
> their time to improve the experience of those of us who do have NVIDIA
> hardware by either porting Nouveau or the binary driver.
>
> Almost all open source projects need more contributors, and I doubt
> Dragonfly is the exception.  By being polite and courteous, and
> respecting other peoples opinions or choices (ie. not calling it
> "stupid") you help to make Dragonfly a more welcoming destination for
> someone who wants to contribute to an open source project, whether it
> be dealing with the NVIDIA hardware issue or other areas that likely
> could use help like writing documentation, testing, helping to port
> packages, etc.
>
>

Thank you for that.

I think that you said it all, quite well.


-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: DragonFly 5.0 released!

2017-10-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 17/10/2017, Predrag Punosevac <punoseva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 16/10/2017, Justin Sherrill <jus...@shiningsilence.com> wrote:
>>> DragonFly 5.0 is released - here's the release page:
>>>
>>> https://www.dragonflybsd.org/release50/
>>>
>>
>> Does it support the nVidia Optimus architecture?
>>
>
> Only nVidia supports its own product with binary blob drivers. Somebody
> have mentioned Nouveau driver in one of the posts. That is beating a
> dead horse. Even Red Hat removed Nouveau driver from 7.4 release. If you
> want to use nVidia gear you need to use their proprietary binary blobs
> and to stick to a list of approved OSs. I have 7 large GPU servers (4+
> Titan Xp cards per server 32 cores and 256 GB of RAM) used for Deep
> learning and image recognition.  They all run Red Hat like a champ.
>

"
:~$ lshw
WARNING: you should run this program as super-user.
bret-aspire-v3-772-ubuntumate
description: Computer
width: 64 bits
capabilities: vsyscall32
  *-core
   description: Motherboard
   physical id: 0
 *-memory
  description: System memory
  physical id: 0
  size: 31GiB
 *-cpu
  product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz
  vendor: Intel Corp.
  physical id: 1
  bus info: cpu@0
  size: 3096MHz
  capacity: 3200MHz
  width: 64 bits
  capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae
mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr
sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp x86-64 constant_tsc
arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf
eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg
fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer
aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm epb tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid xsaveopt
dtherm ida arat pln pts cpufreq
 *-pci
  description: Host bridge
  product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller
  vendor: Intel Corporation
  physical id: 100
  bus info: pci@:00:00.0
  version: 06
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 33MHz
*-pci:0
 description: PCI bridge
 product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI
Express x16 Controller
 vendor: Intel Corporation
 physical id: 1
 bus info: pci@:00:01.0
 version: 06
 width: 32 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master cap_list
 configuration: driver=pcieport
 resources: irq:24 ioport:4000(size=4096)
memory:d200-d2ff ioport:a000(size=536870912)
   *-display
description: 3D controller
product: GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@:01:00.0
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0
resources: irq:32 memory:d200-d2ff
memory:a000-afff memory:b000-b1ff
ioport:4000(size=128) memory:b200-b207
"

Note the display designation and the driver.

"
:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
Release:16.04
Codename:   xenial
"


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: DragonFly 5.0 released!

2017-10-16 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/10/2017, Justin Sherrill <jus...@shiningsilence.com> wrote:
> DragonFly 5.0 is released - here's the release page:
>
> https://www.dragonflybsd.org/release50/
>

Does it support the nVidia Optimus architecture?

-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Can I use DragonfyBSD as a desktop system?

2017-07-16 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/07/2017, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rod Person, a desktop computer is a personal computer designed for regular
> use at a single location on or near a desk or table due to its size and
> power requirements:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_computer
>
> Em sábado, 15 de julho de 2017, Rod Person <rodper...@rodperson.com>
> escreveu:
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:28:38 -0300
>> SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 <soulofroo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I use DragonfyBSD as a desktop system?
>>
>>
>> I currently am, but you need to define you meaning of desktop and what
>> is important to you. For example, I don't play games or need it to sync
>> to my cellphone to pull stuff off it (cause I don't use my cellphone
>> much).  I read email. I browse the web...I write code, I use audacity
>> to edit audio. I use i3 window manager and not a full blown DE like KDE
>> or such.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rod
>>
>> http://www.rodperson.com
>>
>> For we are both ready to believe the thing we want to believe, and also
>> hope other people feel what we feel ourselves.
>>
>>   Julius Caesar
>> The Civil War, book II, 27
>>  Expedition of Curio to Africa
>>
>>
>

Ah, so you did not mean to ask whether you could use it as an
operating system for a workstation?

Either way, I believe that the more important question is, is it
compatible with the particular hardware that you want to use?

I believe that, so far, it is still not compatible with the hardware
that comprises this workstation, with the only non-(MS Windows)
operating system that I have found to be compatible with the hardware
that comprises this workstation, being Ubuntu Linux, from about 12.04
onward.


-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Questions about current stable version of dragonflybsd regarding drivers and desktop environment

2016-05-27 Thread Bret Busby
On 27/05/2016, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff <czark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Marino said:
>> So in other words, what does your quote about the relationship between
>> FreeBSD and DragonFly have to do with anything?
>
> These days Linux distributions call themselves "operating systems."  I
> bet a lot of people who were not around 10 years ago reading
>
> | DragonFly BSD was originally forked from FreeBSD 4.8 in June of 2003,
> | by Matthew Dillon. The project was originally billed as "the logical
> | continuation of the FreeBSD 4.x series", as quoted in Matthew Dillon's
> | announcement, but this description has long since become obsolete.
>
> think that DragonFly BSD and FreeBSD are distributions of the same "BSD"
> operating system, pretty much like Ubuntu Linux and Debian GNU/Linux are
> distributions of the same "Linux" operating system.
>
> I am amazed that OpenBSD mailing lists are not spammed with questions
> "Why  my favorite NetBSD kernel module does not work?"
>
> Probably dragonflybsd.org should stress more that it is a proper
> operating system, and not a distribution or a tiny patchset against
> FreeBSD.
>
> --
> Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
>

Thank you, for making this a constructive thing again, instead of the
flame war that the other one started.

I am currently a user of UbuntuMATE. Ubuntu Linux started as a
derivative of Debian Linux, then, went its own way, from what I
understand. That included some enhancements over Debian Linux. Ubuntu
Linux can install some .deb packages, that can be installed and run on
Linux.

I switched from Debian Linux to UbuntuMATE, because, at the time,
Ubuntu Linux was the only non-Microsoft operating system, that had
drivers for both the CPU and the GPU, on this computer. Debian Linux
had neither a driver for the CPU, nor a driver for the GPU. (By the
GPU, I refer to the nVIDIA one, not the one that is part of the Intel
Haskell architecture in the system).

At the time, DragonflyBSD had a driver for the CPU; the Intel Haskell
architecture, and was the only  non-Microsoft operating system, other
than Ubuntu Linux, that I found, that had that driver. But,
DragonflyBSD did not have a driver for the nVIDIA GPU.

>From what I understood, DragonflyBSD was way ahead of FreeBSD, in
terms of drivers.

I did not know that FreeBSD software, in whatever form (packages or
otherwise), would not run on DragonflyBSD.

>From what I understand of Linux, a "binary" can be installed on any
distribution of Linux, and, a "package" requires a package manager,
and, some Linux distributions have package mangers that can deal with
some package types (eg, Ubuntu and Debian may be able to both deal
with .deb packages, and, so might some other distributions, and,
package managers may be available for some distributions, to deal with
packages designed for other distributions (I believe that a package
manager is available for the .deb package based systems, that can deal
with .rpm packages) ).

So, I figured that it could be possible that this new (about a day or
two, old) driver for the nVIDIA GPU, being a binary, rather than a
distribution (eg freeBSD or DragonflyBSD or OpenBSD, etc, etc, etc)
specific package, could be installed and run on DragonflyBSD. I did
not expect a flame war to be started over the issue.

Such contempt for inexperience, and hateful behaviour, as demonstrated
in this matter (not by the person, whose message is above), is not
conducive to increasing the popularity of the operating system.

If a person makes an incorrect assumption, such as I did, it would
have been sufficient to have simply stated, in a friendly manner, that
the particular driver would not work with DragonflyBSD, instead of
flying around in a rabid rage with no sense being able to be drawn
from the ravings.


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Questions about current stable version of dragonflybsd regarding drivers and desktop environment

2016-05-27 Thread Bret Busby
On 27/05/2016, John Marino <dragonfly...@marino.st> wrote:
> On 5/27/2016 12:11 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 27/05/2016, Max Herrgard <herrg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 27 May 2016, at 10:12, Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering whether, with the passing of time, and, with ongoing
>>>> development of DragonflyBSD, nVIDIA graphics devices and dual graphics
>>>> adaptors, are now supported within DragonflyBSD.
>>>
>>> No support for (and from) nvidia.
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I do not know whether this will work - sending this message with two
>> attachments, but, having sent an email message to nVIDIA, I searched
>> their web site, and found the content on the two attached screenshots.
>
> 1) Max already told you it would not work.  Did you think it was
> possible that nobody would know that FreeBSD BLOBs work on DragonFly?
> Of course we know that they do not (nor should anyone have expected they
> would).
>


I assume from that tirade, that the dragonflybsd web site, and, what
is written about dragonflybsd, is all wrong, and, consequently, that
dragonflybsd has never had anything to do with freeBSD, and that
nothing that works with freeBSD, works with dragonflyBSD, or has ever
worked with dragonflyBSD..


-- 

Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia

..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




How to install GUI

2015-07-25 Thread Bret Busby
Hello.

At the web page
http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/newhandbook/X/
most of the text is crossed out, so I am wondering how to install a
GUI; xwindows and mate.

As previousle mentioned in response to a query that I posted about the
LiveCD. apparently, the Live CD, and, from what I understand,
installing dragonflyBSD, do not come with the GUI; from what I
understand, it has to be manually separately installed, and, each of
the associated packages, have to be separately manually installed.

But, the handbook appears to not have information of how to do this.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Questions about current stable version of dragonflybsd regarding drivers and desktop environment

2015-07-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 03/07/2015, Michael Neumann mneum...@ntecs.de wrote:


 Am 03.07.2015 um 08:26 schrieb John Marino:
 On 7/3/2015 8:17 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
 Hello.
 Please also advise whether GNOME 2 is available for the current stable
 version
 of dragonflybsd.

 I can answer this question.
 There is no GNOME 2 in ports.  FreeBSD doesn't have it either.

 There is mate and cinnamon which is a continuation of GNOME 2.  They
 build but I'm not sure how well they work.  I would suspect they have
 issues.  However, nobody seems to uses these so the issues aren't
 getting reported or fixed.

 DragonFly for the most part has the same window managers / desktops that
 FreeBSD does.

 I am using xfce4, which is a very slim and cleaned up desktop.
 It works great on DragonFly. It's easy to start from command-line
 with startxfce4 without the need of a login manager.

 Regards,

Michael


Hello.

In terms of the hardware, the primary concern is the Haswell part,
which I believe is what is needed to drive the external monitor.

I have been trying for about two years, now, to get the system running
with the gnome 2 interface, and driving the external monitor.

I have, in Linux, Ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04, installed and running the
external monitor okay, but they have gnome 3, in which I run gnome
classic, but it does not have the functionality of gnome 2. I also
have Debian Linux 6 and 7 installed, and in Debian 7, once again, the
interface that I use, is gnome classic, but they can not drive the
external monitor. After two years of trying, and having believed that
the problem was to do with the nvidia device, I have recently realized
that the problem lies in the lack of a driver for the Intel Haswell
hardware.

I am currently running an Acer 5750G, which has the Intel Sandy Bridge
CPU and integrated graphics controller, and an nvidia GEForce GT520M
graphics device.

This is a lesser powerful computer, with an i5 CPU, and 16GB compared
to the Acer V3-772G, and the HDD is half the capacity.

This one has MS Win 7 and Debian Linux 6 installed, and, in the Debian
6, I am running gnome 2, and both the Win 7 and the Debian 6, drive
the external monitor okay on this system.

From what I understand, on this system, the nvidia device is not used
(although I could be wrong).

So, for me to use gnome 2, my super dooper i7 computer with 32GB of
RAM and a 1TB HDD with GPT, doesn't work so well, as I can't use the
external monitor, and laptop screens are a strain, when used for more
than short periods of time.

I have found gnome 2 to be the best desktop environment with which for
me to work, and the functionality of gnome 2, is not in other desktop
environments, from what I have found, hence my trying to find an
operating system that has gnome 2 and the drivers for the specified
Haswell architecture.

Just one of the examples of the functionality in gnome 2, that I had
not found in the other desktop environments, is that I have in the
panel at the bottom of the screen, a six-component system monitor
applet, that displays, on an ongoing basis, the percentage usage of
each of the CPU, RAM, swap space, and disk usage, and the network data
transmission rate and the system load.

I have not found that elsewhere, and I have otherwise found the other
desktop environments to be unsuitable for me.

Thus I am limited to a system with 16GB of RAM , as I apparently can
not find an operating system that has drivers for the 32GB system, and
that runs gnome 2.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Re: Questions about current stable version of dragonflybsd regarding drivers and desktop environment

2015-07-03 Thread Bret Busby
On 04/07/2015, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com wrote:
 Justin Sherrill said:
 The major hurdle is those two video cards; it will probably
 require some specific xorg configuration to make sure one gets used
 and not the other.

 It is said that FreeBSD tends to use the first video card (Intel in case
 of Optimus systems) and ignore the second one (NVidia), so the users
 have to edit Xorg configuration to use second video card.  It is also
 said that bootloader is only capable of using the first one.  So most
 likely the question of video cards in this particular case boils down to
 amount of support for Intel card.

 --
 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff


From what I understand, freebsd does not have drivers for the Intel
Haswell hardware, and dragonflybsd does have the drivers.

Thus, in terms of the hardware, apparently, dragonflybsd can drive it.

But, as I previously said, apparently, gnome 2 is not available for
the current stable version of dragonflybsd.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




Questions about current stable version of dragonflybsd regarding drivers and desktop environment

2015-07-03 Thread Bret Busby
Hello.

I have an Acer V3-772G laptop computer that has an Intel Haswell
i7-4702QM CPU and integrated Intel HD Graphics 4600 graphics controller,
and an nvidia GEForce GT750M graphics device, and the system has 32GB of
RAM.

Please advise as to whether the current stable version of dragonflybsd, has
drivers available for the above system.

Please also advise whether GNOME 2 is available for the current stable version
of dragonflybsd.

I am trying to get a reasonably reliable operating system running on
the Acer V3-772G, with the GNOME 2 desktop environment.

Thank you in anticipation.


-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992