Re: Future proof Flex/Flash apps.

2019-10-13 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi All,

we have a migration for a client currently in the works. That client uses
FluorineFX for .NET communication with AMF/RemoteObject.
We can ensure Fluorine is fully working. Only limitations are in Royale are
for Vector and Dictionary types that I think most of people never use, so
you have that point secure :). AMFPHP is as well working, and of course
BlazeDS. So we cover Java, .NET and PHP now :).

About productions Apps for Royale. As Alex said MXRoyale maybe does not
have any, but we have many currently for Basic, Jewel and MDL sets.

Look and feel: Jewel has probably the best look and feel currently. Check
Tour De Jewel here: https://royale.apache.org/tourdejewel/

As Alex said, is up to all of us to keep Royale alive. But I think it will
survive over time, for various reasons. All we are working currently for
the project believe in it, and we are many!. As times passes and others see
is getting better and better each day is making them join us. If you join
us using it and interacting you'll be helping to make the community grow
and help to make Royale continue in time.

Since I already migrated projects from Flex to Royale I want to give you an
advice: Get involved, don't expect others to make things for you. If you
can't solve or implement something, rely on payed work for others in the
community that can do it for you. It's not real to try to migrate and
expect all will be set for you to use.
As time passes, more and more things are better, but still are things to be
done, so it will be normal that you find something you need that still is
not in Royale. So you can work on it and contribute or contract someone to
do it.

As I said. Is a good time to join us and start migrating. Many other has
done it before... :)

Carlos





El dom., 13 oct. 2019 a las 11:25, Piotr Zarzycki (<
piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Just a quick answer to the question about existing online app.
>
> We are portion Flex application to Royale. We have weekly/two week release
> schedule, so you can check what is happening and what's new quite often.
>
> In order to see app you have to register. It's free and you can always
> remove your account.
>
> Link: https://x.prominic.net/MyAccount
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:21 AM Paul Stearns 
> wrote:
>
> > So that I could get better feed back on which route I should take, I have
> > created a demo version of one of my applications.
> >
> > This is a time accounting application which we developed and use
> > internally to keep track of hours to pay consultants and bill clients.
> >
> > The URL is http://flex.yozyo.net/production
> >
> > To login, you can use either;
> >
> > U: dmanager
> > P: mpassword
> >
> > U:duser
> > P:UPASSWORD
> >
> > It requires popups to be enabled. The application provides a self
> > contained desktop like application with the ability to have multiple
> panels
> > open simultaneously. While this is a test system, and you are welcome to
> > muck about and save data please don't intentionally try to break it.
> >
> > My goal is to end up with an application with a similar look and feel to
> > what is provided using something that won't die in December 2020. Of
> course
> > the less work to get from here to there will be the best approach.
> >
> > Paul R. Stearns
> > Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.
> >
> > 15280 NW 79th Ct.
> > Suite 250
> > Miami Lakes, Fl 33016
> >
> > Voice: (305)623-0360 x107
> > Fax: (305)623-4588
> >
> >
> >
>


-- 
Carlos Rovira
http://about.me/carlosrovira


Future proof Flex/Flash apps.

2019-10-13 Thread Piotr Zarzycki
Hi Paul,

Just a quick answer to the question about existing online app.

We are portion Flex application to Royale. We have weekly/two week release
schedule, so you can check what is happening and what's new quite often.

In order to see app you have to register. It's free and you can always
remove your account.

Link: https://x.prominic.net/MyAccount

Thanks,
Piotr

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:21 AM Paul Stearns 
wrote:

> So that I could get better feed back on which route I should take, I have
> created a demo version of one of my applications.
>
> This is a time accounting application which we developed and use
> internally to keep track of hours to pay consultants and bill clients.
>
> The URL is http://flex.yozyo.net/production
>
> To login, you can use either;
>
> U: dmanager
> P: mpassword
>
> U:duser
> P:UPASSWORD
>
> It requires popups to be enabled. The application provides a self
> contained desktop like application with the ability to have multiple panels
> open simultaneously. While this is a test system, and you are welcome to
> muck about and save data please don't intentionally try to break it.
>
> My goal is to end up with an application with a similar look and feel to
> what is provided using something that won't die in December 2020. Of course
> the less work to get from here to there will be the best approach.
>
> Paul R. Stearns
> Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.
>
> 15280 NW 79th Ct.
> Suite 250
> Miami Lakes, Fl 33016
>
> Voice: (305)623-0360 x107
> Fax: (305)623-4588
>
>
>


Re: Future proof Flex/Flash apps.

2019-10-13 Thread Alex Harui
Royale (and any Apache project) will be around as long as there are 3 active 
committers/PMC members.  You can become one of them by contributing to the 
project (code, doc, bugs, marketing, whatever).  That way you can truly have a 
stake in the future.  No corporation can shut down Royale.

Nobody has gone into production on the MX/Spark emulation component set.  I 
think Alina's team is close.  The tourdeflex migration example might give you 
an idea of what it can currently do, but really, the goal is to make it work as 
well as you need it.  We are looking for folks who want to help us improve it.  
The mindset has to be different from the Adobe days when you could just wait 
for Adobe to cut another release for you to use.  It is important that people 
get involved, even if it is just reporting bugs.  There is no dedicated test 
team for Apache Royale.  There was for Adobe Flex.  There is no corporation 
pushing this technology.  The users are supposed to help with the pushing and 
pulling.

I'm not sure where the source code is for FlourineFX.  It might be transpilable 
to JS.  It appears to use AMF underneath.  So maybe you have some work to do 
there, but in the whole, it should be far less work than migrating all of your 
code.  See if you can figure out what FlourineFX APIs you used and we can 
discuss emulating those.

HTH,
-Alex

On 10/12/19, 9:20 AM, "Paul Stearns"  wrote:

Carlos:

The applications we have written really do want to be desktop applications. 
Having a small subset of functionality for mobile use would be beneficial for a 
few of the applications we support. Mostly however these are data entry focused 
applications. One of the applications captures over 200 data elements in a 
single data entry screen with complex business rules, using a tabbed interface.

With Royale, I have some questions/concerns;

Will it be around for 10 years?How many users/companies have adopted 
Royale?Are there any applications, perhaps with similar look & feel.as what 
this app shows, already functional in Royale? If not similar, at least some 
applications I can see and touch.I use FluorineFX as my data layer interface. 
Will that be transportable?
Thanks for your help.

Paul R. Stearns
Advanced Consulting Enterprises, Inc.

15280 NW 79th Ct.
Suite 250
Miami Lakes, Fl 33016

Voice: (305)623-0360 x107
Fax: (305)623-4588


From: Carlos Rovira 
Sent: 10/12/19 4:48 AM
To: "pa...@compuace.com" , users@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Future proof Flex/Flash apps.
Hi Paul,

as Alex I think your best route is to join us in Apache Royale mailing
lists [1] and try emulation components. This will be the fastest way to
migrate to html/js touching almost no code. Royale is now in a very good
state for everyone to start using it. I encourage you to join our community
and get started here [2]

[1] 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Froyale.apache.org%2Fmailing-lists%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C21efbb9d0bce4dbeb41e08d74f301859%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C637064940295311587sdata=I%2BLA2byTf4zKIIIbTr0sELMvASa8P1anWU5B3wDkMj8%3Dreserved=0
[2] 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapache.github.io%2Froyale-docs%2Fget-starteddata=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C21efbb9d0bce4dbeb41e08d74f301859%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C637064940295311587sdata=ng5M33bfbxYJVCZdT70Ksb5WzwX6n0XS4SaxF7P1w1U%3Dreserved=0

best

El sáb., 12 oct. 2019 a las 8:56, Alex Harui ()
escribió:

> From 3 minutes of playing around with it, if you are looking to minimize
> code changes and don't want a more modern UI, then the emulation component
> set (MXRoyale and SparkRoyale) would be a good place to start. The
> emulation set is still a work-in-progress, but it gets better every day,
> and, IMO, it would be better for the Royale community if you could invest
> some of the time saved from not having to change so much code towards
> further improving MXRoyale and SparkRoyale as that will make the migration
> effort easier for the next person.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> On 10/11/19, 3:21 PM, "Paul Stearns" wrote:
>
> So that I could get better feed back on which route I should take, I
> have created a demo version of one of my applications.
>
> This is a time accounting application which we developed and use
> internally to keep track of hours to pay consultants and bill clients.
>
> The URL is
>