RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

2011-08-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Oops, I forgot a case.

When I opened the original ODT document with the drawing-created text box in 
Microsoft Office Word 2010, the document opened with only one problem.  The box 
was too small for the text so I had to enlarge the frame a little to get all of 
the text to fit.  I could see it was all there but clipped by the frame of the 
text box.  

So room for more interoperability to be worked on.  Still not as terrible as LO 
not being able to read back the docx of its own creation.

Finally, out of curiosity, I looked into the XML of the .docx that LO 3.3.2 
made.  There is no text in it.

Word 2010 didn't lose the text.  It never got that far.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 23:58
To: 'users@global.libreoffice.org'
Cc: 'NoOp'
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

If I wanted to make a text box, going to the drawing tool is not intuitive to 
me.

But I did that one too, just to see what the differences are.

 - Dennis

SUMMARY

It appears that it is LibreOffice that is losing the text when reading the DOCX 
text box.

When the same .docx is read back into LibreOffice, it has no text at all and 
even the border I added is gone.

Microsoft Office Word 2010 sees the border but not the content.  If I put 
content in on the Word 2010 side, it comes back to LO in an ODT and a DOC, but 
LO doesn't see the text in the DOCX (though it now sees the frame.)

The only odd thing about bringing the adjusted DOCX (adding the text back in) 
as an ODT from Word 2010 is that a stray empty graphic box shows up on the ODT 
page.  But the text box and its text are there too.  This is true when the 
exported ODT is read back into Word 2010 and when it is read into LibreOffice 
3.3.2.

CONCLUSION

I stand by my original analysis.  None of them have anything to be proud of, 
but the round tripping of DOCX from LibreOffice is far worse than the ODT 
round-tripped from Word 2010, although the added graphic frame is certainly 
undesirable.

The side-by-side and interchange case analysis to raise the level of 
interoperability is still required.

DETAILS

I made a text box using View | Toolbars | Drawing.  I selected T and drew a 
box with the modified cursor and added text to it.  Then I positioned the box 
where I wanted and use the Line dialog to put a border around the box.

I save this as an .odt file from LibreOffice 3.3.2.  It re-opens correctly.

With the ODT open in LibreOffice 3.3.2, I saved the file as a Microsoft Word 
2007 .docx.

When I reopened the file in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the page is blank.  There is 
nothing in it.

When I open the file in Microsoft Office 2010, I get the frame and the border 
and no text.

So, with the visible frame selected in Office 2010, I right click and select 
the Add Text option in the context menu.

I then save that as a .docx, as a .doc, and as an .odt.  Word 2010 opens the 
saved .doc and  .docx with the added-in perfectly.  It opens the .odt perfectly 
except there is a stray empty text frame in the upper left corner of the 
document.  The centered frame with text is as I saved it.  I have no idea how 
the stray graphic frame came along for the ride.

Now, using LibreOffice 3.3.2 and the three versions made from Microsoft Word 
2010, here is the result:

The docx comes into LibreOffice with the border and text frame showing, but the 
text frame is empty.  (This is better than it does with the docx it created 
itself, where everything is lost.)

The .doc comes back perfectly as saved from Microsoft Office Word 2010.

The .odt text box comes back just fine too, and the stray box is in the upper 
left corner that showed up on round-trip back into Word 2010 is also there in 
LO 3.3.2. 




-Original Message-
From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 19:34
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

On 08/12/2011 07:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

 
 -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:snipped] 
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 17:23 To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Word .docx formatting in Libre
 Office
 
 [ ... ]
 
 Open LO. Make a simple text box with some text in it. Save as an
 .docx  let us know how that works out for you.

 I'm not so sure the bug report being discussed is anything so simple,
 but I took on your little experiment.


 CONCLUSION

 It would seem, in this simple case, that no one has much to be proud
 of concerning interop between the different native formats.  It is
 odd that the worst case here is the DOCX output from LibreOffice read
 back into LibreOffice.  But Word 2010 doesn't round-trip to and from
 ODT a lot better (although it is a lot easier to adjust manually if
 desired).

 To get this right, there needs to be a more-systematic effort that
 determines what 

[libreoffice-users] Re: Printing selected sheet from 3.4.0 calc prints all sheets.

2011-08-13 Thread Chris
Steve Edmonds steve.edmonds at ptglobal.com writes:

 
 Hi.
 I found a bug on my mac 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38131 where in calc 
 printing the selected sheet while Print Preview is open fails to honor 
 the selected sheet option.
 Is anyone else able to verify this.
 Cheers, steve
 

Hi,
Yes, I've got the same problem on 3.4.2 Windows, OK from sheet, but when 
printing from the preview it wants to print the whole document. Just checked 
back, 3.3.3 does the same.

Cheers
Chris


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OT: Multiple desktops in Windows (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!)

2011-08-13 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-08-12, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

 2011/8/12 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
 On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:

 +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.

 I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(.
 However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not
 bad.

 Does that mean that it has multiple desktops and that the drive
 letters are gone?

Multiple desktops is more of a window manager issue rather than a OS
issue, but anyway, people in Windows aren't as used to use different WMs
as people who use X in the UNIX world are.

There was a tool to add multiple desktops to Windows, part of the
Powertoys pack for Windows XP, but I don't know if it works with 7:

Direct link: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=211482
The powertoys page: 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/windows-xp?T1=PT

And for some context: http://enwp.org/Virtual_desktop#Windows --
according to this, there's another tool, Desktops.

From its description, it seems Desktops is better than the powertoy, but
I never tried it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libre Office being recommended onMicrosoftAnswers Forums!

2011-08-13 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-08-12, David H. Lipman wrote:

 Many of the MS MVPs I know aren't swayed by Microsoft and suggest *best* 
 solutions that 
 may not be a Microsoft solution.

Yeah, I'm not surprised to see an MVP giving a good answer. Now if it
were an MPM, then I would really be surprised.

http://www.unix.com/whats-your-mind/33991-windows-korn-shell.html

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, 

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:16:14 -0700
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

 Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no 
 license.  They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or 
 there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you 
cannot give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as 
well). 

I would interpret this then in the following way: 
If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those 
templates as public domain. 
If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get 
those templetes under the GPL. 

Sounds reasonable to me. 

Sigrid

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Re: OT: Multiple desktops in Windows (was: Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office being recommended on Microsoft Answers Forums!)

2011-08-13 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2011/8/13 Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt:
 On 2011-08-12, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

 2011/8/12 Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com:
 On 12/08/2011 00:24, upscope wrote:

 +5 that's what I did 12 years ago when my Win ME died.

 I can understand that! Win ME was worse than Vista (if that's possible!(.
 However, using both Linux and Windows 7 I can say that Win 7 is actually not
 bad.

 Does that mean that it has multiple desktops and that the drive
 letters are gone?

 Multiple desktops is more of a window manager issue rather than a OS
 issue,

And what window manager does Windows use by default?

 but anyway, people in Windows aren't as used to use different WMs
 as people who use X in the UNIX world are.

 There was a tool to add multiple desktops to Windows, part of the
 Powertoys pack for Windows XP, but I don't know if it works with 7:

 Direct link: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=211482
 The powertoys page: 
 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/downloads/windows-xp?T1=PT

 And for some context: http://enwp.org/Virtual_desktop#Windows --
 according to this, there's another tool, Desktops.

 From its description, it seems Desktops is better than the powertoy, but
 I never tried it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] VOT: WindowsManager Re: OT: Multiple desktops in Windows

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's the older KDE on Vista  Win7 isn't it? lol, i am joking but it was 
clearly 
inspired by KDE.  The Start button menu operates almost exactly the same way 
and it's quite different from the Xp one.  


The Windows one in Vista and Win7 is called DWM (=Desktop Window Manager)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Window_Manager
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa969540(v=vs.85).aspx

Apparently there is one created by someone else that can be added in but i 
haven't tried this one
http://www.actualtools.com/windowmanager/
The taskbar looks suspiciously like the Xp one which might be the whole point 
of 
course since people probably don't like the change between Xp and 7.  


Desktop Environments generally include a WM by default but the WM can sometimes 
be swapped out for something else
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Environment#Gallery
This gallery shows a slightly different look from those DEs running on my 
system.  


Regards from
Tom :)





From: Luuk luu...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 11:47:30
Subject: [libreoffice-users] VOT: WindowsManager Re: OT: Multiple desktops in 
Windows

On 13-08-2011 12:40, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
 Multiple desktops is more of a window manager issue rather than a OS
  issue,
 And what window manager does Windows use by default?
 

The default on, which is the 'windows'-windows manager ;)

But this does not mean no one can write another windows-managers which
will run on Windows

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks Sigrid.  Copy-left agreements such as the Creative Commons used in 
artworks, video, documentation and elsewhere is a very new concept that can 
allow people to copy, modify and redistribute.  


The traditional idea of public domain is merely that you are allowed to read 
it and if you are really lucky you might be allowed to copy a  certain number 
of 
lines.  The laws around it are quite turgid, confusing and vary from country to 
country.  


TDF Documentation Team often use a CC by SA (a Creative Commons) license.  
Creative Commons offer a variety of approaches allowing authors, sculptors, 
artists, musicians and others to decide just how flexible they want to be about 
allowing people to redistribution or modify or give credit to the person that 
created the original.  


Regards from
Tom :)





From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 11:20:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi, 

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:16:14 -0700
Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

 Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no 
license.  They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or 
there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.

I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you 
cannot 
give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as well). 


I would interpret this then in the following way: 
If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those 
templates as public domain. 

If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get 
those 
templetes under the GPL. 


Sounds reasonable to me. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printing selected sheet from 3.4.0 calc prints all sheets.

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Please add comments to the main bug-report
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32826
rather than the duplicate.  If it's not already in the thread they might want 
to 
know which versions of LibreOffice and which Operating Systems you have already 
noticed the bug on but don't worry about trying out other versions or other 
OSes 
unless the devs ask for it in the thread there.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Chris ch...@cdavies39.wanadoo.co.uk
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 9:51:30
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printing selected sheet from 3.4.0 calc prints 
all sheets.

Steve Edmonds steve.edmonds at ptglobal.com writes:

 
 Hi.
 I found a bug on my mac 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38131 where in calc 
 printing the selected sheet while Print Preview is open fails to honor 
 the selected sheet option.
 Is anyone else able to verify this.
 Cheers, steve
 

Hi,
Yes, I've got the same problem on 3.4.2 Windows, OK from sheet, but when 
printing from the preview it wants to print the whole document. Just checked 
back, 3.3.3 does the same.

Cheers
Chris


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Oops, ignore my last email about this!  

Someone at work suggested turning the label sheets the other way around in the 
printer as there is often a tiny difference in the measurements between 
topbottom and leftright.  I tried measuring it with a ruler but the 
difference 
seems negligible but it seemed to make a difference!  


My guess is that a lot of those templates need a slight editing.  Last time i 
did labels i took the standard template and then modified it a bit for myself.  
Does the world label place allow uploads of improved designs or is there a 
place 
in LibreOffice wiki or somewhere that better templates could be stored?

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 1:16:14
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no license. 
 
They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or there's a 
quit 
claim on the copyright and no license applies.

Although either case would make them all right to bundle with LibreOffice, you 
still have to figure out which case you are assuming.  I would be concerned 
that 
whoever slapped that on there doesn't know what they are doing.  (I think it is 
odd to apply the GPL to a document, but it's not that surprising.)

- Dennis

PS: For fun, I dug inside one of these.  They were produced with OpenOffice.org 
2.0 near the end of 2005.  Remarkable.


-Original Message-
From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 16:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement:
These documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain, 
licensed under GPL. 

On 08/12/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were 
trying
 to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are
 copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
 Regards from
 Tom :)




 
 From: Don C. Myersdonmy...@myersfarm.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

 Hi,

 Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed 
based
 on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and
 like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly.
 It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes
 always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure 
where
 to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
 http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back
 to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at 
one
 time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

 Don

 On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:
 Hi friends

 I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
 dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
 BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
 http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

 The problem is that all the printed labels are more up and left than
 they should be, sometimes invading another label.


 I'm on Debian 6 with LibreOffice 3.4.2 and paper in the printer and
 LibreOffice is set to A4.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unopkg error

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I am not sure i gave this link before but are there useful guides in here?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#Other_Documentation_and_Resources


The Docs Team added a new link to the bottom yday i think.
Regards from
Tom :)





From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 2:26:49
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] unopkg error

Lars,

On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 09:22 +0200, Lars Callenbach wrote: 

 Hello,
 
 I have compiled an addin which works find under openoffice 3.2. Using either 
libreoffice 3.3 or 3.4 the following error message appears:
 
 ERROR: Fehler beim Hinzuf�gen von: 
vnd.sun.star.expand:$UNO_USER_PACKAGES_CACHE/uno_packages/luecz64g.tmp_/CalcAddins.oxt

Cause: Media-Typ konnte nicht ermittelt werden: 
file:///root/.libreoffice/3/user/uno_packages/cache/uno_packages/luecz64g.tmp_/CalcAddins.oxt

 
 unopkg failed.
 
 The directory CalcAddins.oxt has not been created and the oxt file has not 
 been 
unziped.
 
 What do I have to change to get a working addin using libreoffice?
 
 Regards,
 Lars
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: New user to BASE

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi again

Sorry for my tone yday.  I appeared to be addressing Alex negatively but in 
fact 
i do know he has done and continues to do a lot of hard work to help Base 
users.  There are quite a few people that do and quite a lot more, no doubt, 
that would give more time if they were able to or if there was a structured 
team.  


I don't know how to set-up a team to do something like that.  
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 18:46:06
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: New user to BASE


Hi :)
It would be great to put all that effort into developing Base, or managing the 
project to attract a few devs into that part of the project.  It's not 
something 
a single person can do tho.  It needs a LOT of people to jump into it.  I guess 
that is why so many people work on various different single-purpose front-ends. 
 


There is no management bringing all those people together so each person ends 
up 
feeling like they are very alone.  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Alexander Thurgood  alex.thurg...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 11 August, 2011 17:01:21
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: New user to BASE

Le 11/08/11 15:46, Wayne a écrit :

 Would you include Python in that list?
 Wayne

Sure, any programming language that allows you to build a graphically
driven frontend. AFAIK, Python can do that with tcl, wx, gtk, and no
doubt other graphical toolkits so why not ? ;-)


I actually went scouring for stuff like that the other day on
sourceforge because I need to have a frontend I can design, implement
and distribute over a network and multiple-OSes. I haven't had time to
try the various bits out yet though, most of which looks PHP-based (but
only because I have a vague understanding of PHP - my  python skills are
way too low to attempt something like that at the moment, but I did give
it some thought :-))

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

2011-08-13 Thread Rob Harriman

Hi Tom,
Thanks to you and the others who responded to my query. It made 
interesting reading.
As suggested below I have installed Libre Office 3.4.2 in parallel with 
the default version of LO supplied under Ubuntu 11.04.
I understand that things aren't always going to be right with .docx 
files so I have taken the thesis document I'm currently interested in 
and have converted it to .doc as suggested.
Now when I look at this in LO (either version) it is not picking up all 
of the Table of Content entries. The original TOC was set up to pick up 
all Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries.
I have tried using Tools - Outline Numbering - Numbering to define 
Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries, but this appears to have made no 
difference. Can anyone suggest what I should be using here please, or 
how I use this process to get these headings picked up?
Also does this mean that I have to set this each time I look at 
different documents or is there a way of setting LO so that it 
automatically picks up all headers e.g 1 through 9 as a matter of course.
Basically I am not really sure what Tools - Outline Numbering is 
supposed to do, or what the thinking is behind how TOCs are handled in LO.

Can anyone enlighten me please?
Thanks
Rob




On 12/08/11 21:21, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.

Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed to
be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 often
does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is
possible if you follow this guide
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.

Regards from
Tom :)




From: Rob Harrimanrob.harri...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

Hi,
Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.

When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot to
pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the original.
It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this assumption is
incorrect.

Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must I
convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi Tom,

There was one size label our church was using that wasn't on the World 
Label list of available labels. Those labels were used to print 
ingredients for Easter eggs they sell. Also, there wasn't a template for 
that particular size. I sent them an e-mail. Apparently it was an error 
that the size I wanted wasn't listed. they had the label available. I 
made a table style template for them and sent it to them. The person who 
had been printing them for the church was using Microsoft Word. I was 
helping to put them on. By the time we would get to 2/3 down the label 
sheet the labels were printing high and the top line would end up being 
partially on the bottom of the label above it. There was no margin for 
error. The labels were full. I put the ingredients in the table style 
form and printed them in OpenOffice at that time (LibreOffice was not 
out yet, but the labels work just as well in it.) and they printed 
perfectly. No wasted labels at all. The advantage of the table style is 
that if you need to move the text right or left, simply drag the column 
widths. To change how the text is centered on the labels, simply change 
the top margin of the page. I do a fair amount of label printing, and I 
love the table style label templates. I also found in my e-mails to 
World Label, they are very strong proponents of Open Source. Therefore 
they get my business. Their prices are competitive also. I've only used 
American sizes. The only adjustments I've needed to make are to adjust 
for variations between printers.


On 08/13/2011 09:20 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Oops, ignore my last email about this!

Someone at work suggested turning the label sheets the other way around in the
printer as there is often a tiny difference in the measurements between
topbottom and leftright.  I tried measuring it with a ruler but the difference
seems negligible but it seemed to make a difference!


My guess is that a lot of those templates need a slight editing.  Last time i
did labels i took the standard template and then modified it a bit for myself.
Does the world label place allow uploads of improved designs or is there a place
in LibreOffice wiki or somewhere that better templates could be stored?

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamiltondennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 1:16:14
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no license.
They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or there's a quit
claim on the copyright and no license applies.

Although either case would make them all right to bundle with LibreOffice, you
still have to figure out which case you are assuming.  I would be concerned that
whoever slapped that on there doesn't know what they are doing.  (I think it is
odd to apply the GPL to a document, but it's not that surprising.)

- Dennis

PS: For fun, I dug inside one of these.  They were produced with OpenOffice.org
2.0 near the end of 2005.  Remarkable.


-Original Message-
From: Don C. Myers [mailto:donmy...@myersfarm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 16:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

On the World Label site they have the following statement:
These documents are XML Open Document Format (ODF), Public Domain,
licensed under GPL. 

On 08/12/2011 05:46 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think those templates can be used in LibreOffice but the docs team were
trying
to find someone to bring them into LibreOffice properly (assuming they are
copy-left rather than copyright licensed).
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Don C. Myersdonmy...@myersfarm.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 22:17:48
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

Open Office had form templates which an enterprising individual developed

based

on tables instead of instead of the block style that came with Open Office and
like what Microsoft Word uses. I've used the US sizes and they work perfectly.
It is super easy to adjust the column width by just dragging. The US sizes
always start with the typing in the center of the label also. I'm not sure
where
to find them in Libre Office, but you can download them from
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm . I will never go back
to the old style of labels formats. There was a tutorial on the Internet at

one

time. You may also find some help on the World Label site

Don

On 08/12/2011 05:04 PM, Claudio Aranha wrote:

Hi friends

I've been using LibreOffice since StarOffice and I always had
dificulties printing labels, the Pimaco released a extension for
BrOffice (Openoffice name in Brazil), this one:
http://www.pimaco.com.br/images/upload/downloads/pimaco-labels.oxt

The problem is that all the printed labels are more 

Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

2011-08-13 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hello Rob, 

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:36:39 +0100
Rob Harriman rob.harri...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,
 Thanks to you and the others who responded to my query. It made 
 interesting reading.
 As suggested below I have installed Libre Office 3.4.2 in parallel with 
 the default version of LO supplied under Ubuntu 11.04.
 I understand that things aren't always going to be right with .docx 
 files so I have taken the thesis document I'm currently interested in 
 and have converted it to .doc as suggested.
 Now when I look at this in LO (either version) it is not picking up all 
 of the Table of Content entries. The original TOC was set up to pick up 
 all Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries.
 I have tried using Tools - Outline Numbering - Numbering to define 
 Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries, but this appears to have made no 
 difference. Can anyone suggest what I should be using here please, or 
 how I use this process to get these headings picked up?
 Also does this mean that I have to set this each time I look at 
 different documents or is there a way of setting LO so that it 
 automatically picks up all headers e.g 1 through 9 as a matter of course.
 Basically I am not really sure what Tools - Outline Numbering is 
 supposed to do, or what the thinking is behind how TOCs are handled in LO.
 Can anyone enlighten me please?

If I remember correctly, the default setting in LibreOffice (and 
OpenOffice.org) is that only headings 1 to 3 are considered for the table of 
contents. It is possible to change this. You will find a much better 
description for this in here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/9/9b/0212WG3-TOCsIndexesBiblios.odt

Using Tools  Outline Numbering  Numbers only affects how your headings are 
displayed, e. g. do they have a number or not. 
Something like 
1 First chapter
2 Second chapter
2.1 First sub chapter
2.2 Second sub chapter 

and so on... It does not have any effect on which headings appear in your TOC. 

Hope I could help a bit. 

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread planas
Hi,

On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 12:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 

 Hi :)
 Thanks Sigrid.  Copy-left agreements such as the Creative Commons used in 
 artworks, video, documentation and elsewhere is a very new concept that can 
 allow people to copy, modify and redistribute.  
 
 
 The traditional idea of public domain is merely that you are allowed to 
 read 
 it and if you are really lucky you might be allowed to copy a  certain number 
 of 
 lines.  The laws around it are quite turgid, confusing and vary from country 
 to 
 country.  
 
 
 TDF Documentation Team often use a CC by SA (a Creative Commons) license.  
 Creative Commons offer a variety of approaches allowing authors, sculptors, 
 artists, musicians and others to decide just how flexible they want to be 
 about 
 allowing people to redistribution or modify or give credit to the person that 
 created the original.  
 
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 11:20:56
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels
 
 Hi, 
 
 On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:16:14 -0700
 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
 
  Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no 
 license.  They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or 
 there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.
 
 I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you 
 cannot 
 give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as well). 
 
 
 I would interpret this then in the following way: 
 If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those 
 templates as public domain. 
 
 If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get 
 those 
 templetes under the GPL. 
 
 
 Sounds reasonable to me. 
 
 Sigrid

In the US public domain means the copyright has lapsed any one is free
to use the work as they please with requirements or fees. The only
requirement is you should properly cite the work but this more an
ethical issue than a legal one. For example many works on 19th century
American authors are now in the public domain so any one can publish the
work in any media. If one does some editing (changing spellings, idioms,
etc) to reflect current usage that can carry a copyright.
-- 
Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com

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[libreoffice-users] installing issues fedora 14

2011-08-13 Thread Lin L
Libre is not signed and won't complete installation.  Theres nothing in the 
readme files about that issue.  I've read about --gpgcheck on the internet but 
there isn't enough information pertaining to my situation.  I'm not sure how to 
run --gpgcheck from the terminal with the sudo -c 'yum install *.rpm' line...?  
I'm a complete newbie to linux and terminal commands etc.  I checked my 
etc.yum.repos.d folder and theres not a file to edit that says libre so I'm not 
sure which file to edit gpgcheck so I can get libre installed.. 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks Jay :)  That is quite different from my assumption.  I'm not sure about 
the laws here but i suspect someone would have ownership of the rights.  

Regards from
Tom :)




From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 22:33:44
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels

Hi,

On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 12:54 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 

 Hi :)
 Thanks Sigrid.  Copy-left agreements such as the Creative Commons used in 
 artworks, video, documentation and elsewhere is a very new concept that can 
 allow people to copy, modify and redistribute.  
 
 
 The traditional idea of public domain is merely that you are allowed to 
 read 

 it and if you are really lucky you might be allowed to copy a  certain number 
of 

 lines.  The laws around it are quite turgid, confusing and vary from country 
 to 

 country.  
 
 
 TDF Documentation Team often use a CC by SA (a Creative Commons) license.  
 Creative Commons offer a variety of approaches allowing authors, sculptors, 
 artists, musicians and others to decide just how flexible they want to be 
 about 

 allowing people to redistribution or modify or give credit to the person that 
 created the original.  
 
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 11:20:56
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Pimaco extension for labels
 
 Hi, 
 
 On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:16:14 -0700
 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
 
  Um, that statement makes no sense.  Public domain documents require no 
 license.  They are either someone's copyright and licensed under the GPL or 
 there's a quit claim on the copyright and no license applies.
 
 I think the statement makes perfect sense. There are countries, where you 
cannot 

 give up your rights (Germany and I think many other EU countries as well). 
 
 
 I would interpret this then in the following way: 
 If you live in a country where you can give up your rights, you can get those 
 templates as public domain. 
 
 If you live in a country where you cannot give up your rights, you can get 
those 

 templetes under the GPL. 
 
 
 Sounds reasonable to me. 
 
 Sigrid

In the US public domain means the copyright has lapsed any one is free
to use the work as they please with requirements or fees. The only
requirement is you should properly cite the work but this more an
ethical issue than a legal one. For example many works on 19th century
American authors are now in the public domain so any one can publish the
work in any media. If one does some editing (changing spellings, idioms,
etc) to reflect current usage that can carry a copyright.
-- 
Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com

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RE: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

2011-08-13 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I've not seen tables-of-content move between Microsoft Word and ODF documents 
very well, in either direction.  (But I have not dug into it enough to conquer 
whatever the limitations are, either.)

Say more about what you are doing and where you need to end up.  

Are you attempting to edit a dissertation using LibreOffice exclusively?   Then 
you might want to have it as an .odt (not .doc) until the last possible minute. 
 If you need to turn it in as a .doc, you might need to find a copy of 
Microsoft Office for a final edit, adjustment of the table of contents, etc.

Or are you at the front end where you are starting with a model in .doc and 
want to replicate its table of content styles, etc., for continuing in 
LibreOffice?

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rob Harriman [mailto:rob.harri...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 13:37
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

Hi Tom,
Thanks to you and the others who responded to my query. It made 
interesting reading.
As suggested below I have installed Libre Office 3.4.2 in parallel with 
the default version of LO supplied under Ubuntu 11.04.
I understand that things aren't always going to be right with .docx 
files so I have taken the thesis document I'm currently interested in 
and have converted it to .doc as suggested.
Now when I look at this in LO (either version) it is not picking up all 
of the Table of Content entries. The original TOC was set up to pick up 
all Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries.
I have tried using Tools - Outline Numbering - Numbering to define 
Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries, but this appears to have made no 
difference. Can anyone suggest what I should be using here please, or 
how I use this process to get these headings picked up?
Also does this mean that I have to set this each time I look at 
different documents or is there a way of setting LO so that it 
automatically picks up all headers e.g 1 through 9 as a matter of course.
Basically I am not really sure what Tools - Outline Numbering is 
supposed to do, or what the thinking is behind how TOCs are handled in LO.
Can anyone enlighten me please?
Thanks
Rob




On 12/08/11 21:21, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.

 Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed to
 be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 often
 does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is
 possible if you follow this guide
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.

 Regards from
 Tom :)



 
 From: Rob Harrimanrob.harri...@btinternet.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

 Hi,
 Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.

 When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot to
 pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the 
 original.
 It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
 I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this assumption 
 is
 incorrect.

 Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must I
 convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
 Thanks

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[libreoffice-users] Opening PDF files in Draw

2011-08-13 Thread R. Derek Pattison
Hello all,

Is there a way to open a PDF file in Draw, or another LibreOffice program, 
without having the program use OCR? I have some PDF files that are basically 
just pictures of book pages and when LibreOffice tries to parse the 
mediocrely-scanned text it becomes unreadable.

Thanks in advance for any help!
Derek
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Many apologies.  I had assumed you were sharing much shorter documents with 
office users in an office type environment.  Since you are writing a longer 
work 
and can retain control of it then sticking to odt is probably best.  


I think it might be a good idea to read about using styles 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice

and also Chapter 12 in the Writer Guide
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide

When you want other people to proof-read it or make suggestions you can always 
save-as .doc or export to pdf.  Pdf keeps things looking exactly the same but 
it's harder for people to edit, which might be a double win.  


I have Bcc'd this to one of the main people in the documentation team in case 
she has better guidance but she is extremely busy right now and Dennis is a 
star 
anyway (and others in the users list too of course).  

Regards from
Tom :)





From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: Rob Harriman rob.harri...@btinternet.com
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 23:16:08
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

I've not seen tables-of-content move between Microsoft Word and ODF documents 
very well, in either direction.  (But I have not dug into it enough to conquer 
whatever the limitations are, either.)

Say more about what you are doing and where you need to end up.  

Are you attempting to edit a dissertation using LibreOffice exclusively?   Then 
you might want to have it as an .odt (not .doc) until the last possible minute. 
 
If you need to turn it in as a .doc, you might need to find a copy of Microsoft 
Office for a final edit, adjustment of the table of contents, etc.

Or are you at the front end where you are starting with a model in .doc and 
want 
to replicate its table of content styles, etc., for continuing in LibreOffice?

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Rob Harriman [mailto:rob.harri...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 13:37
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

Hi Tom,
Thanks to you and the others who responded to my query. It made 
interesting reading.
As suggested below I have installed Libre Office 3.4.2 in parallel with 
the default version of LO supplied under Ubuntu 11.04.
I understand that things aren't always going to be right with .docx 
files so I have taken the thesis document I'm currently interested in 
and have converted it to .doc as suggested.
Now when I look at this in LO (either version) it is not picking up all 
of the Table of Content entries. The original TOC was set up to pick up 
all Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries.
I have tried using Tools - Outline Numbering - Numbering to define 
Heading 1 through Heading 4 entries, but this appears to have made no 
difference. Can anyone suggest what I should be using here please, or 
how I use this process to get these headings picked up?
Also does this mean that I have to set this each time I look at 
different documents or is there a way of setting LO so that it 
automatically picks up all headers e.g 1 through 9 as a matter of course.
Basically I am not really sure what Tools - Outline Numbering is 
supposed to do, or what the thinking is behind how TOCs are handled in LO.
Can anyone enlighten me please?
Thanks
Rob




On 12/08/11 21:21, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Yes, it does crop up quite often but it is still a legitimate question.

 Ideally convert things to doc format if that is possible.  DocX is designed to
 be incompatible with non-MS products imo.  However the LibreOffice 3.4.2 often
 does a better job of read/writing docXs than the 3.3.3 but having both is
 possible if you follow this guide
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
 Still neither is perfect at it so trying to stick with Doc is better.

 Regards from
 Tom :)



 
 From: Rob Harrimanrob.harri...@btinternet.com
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Fri, 12 August, 2011 19:59:56
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS Word .docx formatting in Libre Office

 Hi,
 Am a newbie to Libre Office so apologies if this has been answered elsewhere.

 When I load .docx files into Office 3 for view/edit the formatting is shot to
 pieces and the Table of Contents is not picked up when included in the 
original.
 It appears that .doc files are loading ok.
 I thought that .docx files were supported by LO. Apologies if this assumption 
is
 incorrect.

 Is there anything that I can do to address these formatting issues, or must I
 convert these .docx files to .doc format before reading them in LO?
 Thanks

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Re: [libreoffice-users] installing issues fedora 14

2011-08-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
the official download place is here 
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
I am not certain about the unsigned issue.  

There is a guide on how to install LibreOffice in Linux
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_LibreOffice_on_Linux

Normally in linux when you want to install something you open the package 
manager, probably in the system or utilities sub-menu from where the Start 
button would be in Windows, or at the top of the screen vertically above it.  


The package manager should have a search tool to help you find programs.  It 
searches in descriptions as well as titles so you don't need to know the proper 
names of things. It's usually best to search in there first when you want to 
look for packages, codecs, libraries, additional functionality, even entire 
programs.  Your package manager usually finds the best version and looks in 
repositories which are like warehouses of software that has been tweaked to 
work better with Fedora.  It sorts out installing and updating everything for 
you.  


Regards from
Tom :)





From: Lin L linle...@yahoo.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 13 August, 2011 22:21:36
Subject: [libreoffice-users] installing issues fedora 14 

Libre is not signed and won't complete installation.  Theres nothing in the 
readme files about that issue.  I've read about --gpgcheck on the internet but 
there isn't enough information pertaining to my situation.  I'm not sure how to 
run --gpgcheck from the terminal with the sudo -c 'yum install *.rpm' line...? 
 I'm a complete newbie to linux and terminal commands etc.  I checked my 
etc.yum.repos.d folder and theres not a file to edit that says libre so I'm not 
sure which file to edit gpgcheck so I can get libre installed.. 


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening PDF files in Draw

2011-08-13 Thread jorge
Hi

Excuse me, but it is important to know what do you need to do with PDF
file: Edit, copy something...? It is because you would use other
programs specialized for that. OCR program is used for images txt
documents for example. If your PDF document haven't image txt datas you
don't need OCR program to access the PDF document.

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez
_


El sáb, 13-08-2011 a las 18:21 -0400, R. Derek Pattison escribió:
 Hello all,
 
 Is there a way to open a PDF file in Draw, or another LibreOffice program, 
 without having the program use OCR? I have some PDF files that are basically 
 just pictures of book pages and when LibreOffice tries to parse the 
 mediocrely-scanned text it becomes unreadable.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help!
 Derek

-- 
Atentamente,

Jorge Rodríguez


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Opening PDF files in Draw

2011-08-13 Thread R. Derek Pattison
Hi Jorge,

Basically I want to do some minor editing of the pictures in the PDF. Delete 
some pages, move some from one document to another, delete parts of pages. The 
problem is that LibreOffice is trying to interpret the text in the images as 
text and that makes it unreadable. I just want to edit them as images.

Thanks,
Derek


On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:14 PM, jorge wrote:

 Hi
 
   Excuse me, but it is important to know what do you need to do with PDF
 file: Edit, copy something...? It is because you would use other
 programs specialized for that. OCR program is used for images txt
 documents for example. If your PDF document haven't image txt datas you
 don't need OCR program to access the PDF document.
 
 Regards,
 
 Jorge Rodríguez
 _
 
 
 El sáb, 13-08-2011 a las 18:21 -0400, R. Derek Pattison escribió:
 Hello all,
 
 Is there a way to open a PDF file in Draw, or another LibreOffice program, 
 without having the program use OCR? I have some PDF files that are basically 
 just pictures of book pages and when LibreOffice tries to parse the 
 mediocrely-scanned text it becomes unreadable.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help!
 Derek
 
 -- 
 Atentamente,
 
 Jorge Rodríguez
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: (help macro base)Open form with a button form another form with filter

2011-08-13 Thread rogerio dandrea
Yes, now is works, but i can't insert new record in filter form.

sub pega( oev as variant)
Dim Filter As String
dim odoc,odoc2,oform2,oform as Object
 odoc=thiscomponent
  oform=odoc.drawpage.forms.
getbyindex(0)

  'pega o dado da primeira linha(=index =campo Cad no meu caso) do registro
atual
  myindex=oform.getstring(1)

 'ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName( animal3 ).open
oform2=ThisDatabaseDocument.FormDocuments.getByName( animal3 )
oform2.Open
oform2 = oform2.Component.DrawPage.Forms.getbyindex(0)

  'define o filtro para achar os registros

oform2.filter =animal3.Cad ='  myindex '
oform2.ApplyFilter= True
oform2.reload

End Sub


2011/8/5 rogerio dandrea rolemo...@gmail.com

 the basetools extension (0.0.5) works in libreoffice 3.4.2 ?




 2011/8/4 rogerio dandrea rolemo...@gmail.com

 well now

 with 3.4.2
 ubuntu11.04 64bits
 and use hsql

  now I have error mensage in filter Why?


 2011/7/29 rogerio dandrea rolemo...@gmail.com

 Alex ,
  thank you.
 I will return to the problem when version 3.4.2 is launched (in july)




 2011/7/28 Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com

 Le 28/07/11 22:11, rogerio dandrea a écrit :

 Hi Rogerio,

 
  Sorry if this is a silly question but, how do I switch the focus from
 one
  form to another?
 

 I actually looked this up on the OpenOffice.org forum, but I can't find
 the link to the post anymore. There might also be a bug in LibreOffice
 that prevents the form from reloading. I seem to recall having seen
 something similar somewhere, because the filter.appply = true and
 form.reload used to work with OpenOffice.org.


 Alex





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