Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-16 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Brian, *, 

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:10:14 +0100
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
 The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
 that you write.
 
 Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

that is a feature of gmail and similar web services. (I know for
sure for gmail, but I think yahoo does this too.) Your email provider
decides that you don't need to see your original message, since you
wrote it yourself. So you only have the sent message in your
sent-folder to tell you, what you asked the list.

It has nothing to do with how sophisticated the list software is. 

Sigrid

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-16 Thread draganb
Yes, the available API could be used for signing AND verification. And also,
as I learned today, MS also offers a non .NET set of APIs for C and C++
developers.
The Windows 7 Packaging feature is a set of COM-based API that provides
support for accessing, modifying, and saving packages by using C and C++. -
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371623.aspx) 

(from:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2011/04/19/libopc-version-0-0-1-released.aspx)
Historically, there have been two popular .NET APIs for Open XML
development: System.IO.Packaging (which first appeared in .NET 3.0) and the
Open XML SDK, released in early 2007. There’s also a COM-based native
packaging API available for non-.NET Windows developers.


Aside from this, some enthusiasts began working on a open source component
for working with OPC container named libopc. They also wrote a LibreOffice
extension for working with MS formats as an alternative to the LO native
support for MS formats. It could turn out an interesting project. 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUlEVLnz6Ufeature=player_embedded#!)

Dragan



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread hellion
Actually it's related to my observation that the problem seemed to be related
to the use of an  *.oxt spellchecker. 
I've found some time yesterday to try to locate the problem using the
suggestions I've received via this thread earlier. I uninstalled the 3.3
version of the suite  and installed the Libre office 3.4.3 on my machine.
Again with the received suggestions in mind  just before the installation of
version 3.4.3 I've noticed that there are still files and folders related to
the program after the uninstall - a folder called Libre Office in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice  and a folder Libre
office in Program files (x86). There where also some entries in the registry
too. I've removed them all installed Libre Office 3.4.3 and tried to export
the document as *.pdf this time there where no problems at all. At this
point I've thought that the initial problem was solved and that it was
related to some files left  from older versions of the program. Since I'm
from Bulgaria I need spell checker for Bulgarian which is not present in the
multilanguage version of the suite so through the extension manager I've
installed an *.oxt dictionary for Bulgarian language downloaded from ooo
support. Just of curiosity I've tried to export the document as *.pdf again
and the program immediately crashed. Than i renamed the folder called 3 in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice and tried again to export
the file. This time the process went smooth with no crashes, errors or
whatsoever. I've re-renamed the forlder to 3 and again tried to export the
file and the program had crashed. I've noticed something interesting I've
attempted to export the file as PDF/A-1a, and the process went smooth with
no crashes. So finally I think the issue is related to the installed *.oxt
dictionary. I've downloaded another one from a website called
libreoffice-na.us but the result was the same if the file is not exported as
PDF/A-1a the program crashes. At this point Tom made the suggestion that
maybe it's worth for me to join the Bulgarian List to see if they have a
better dictionary till the problem is resolved. Anyway it really seems that
the issue is a bug worth mentioning. And now my question is is there going
to be solution for the problem in the next versions of the suite?
Best reagrds!
Ilian  

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-16 Thread hellion
You are clearly using windows. I don't know which one but why don't you try
to restore your system to the point before the uninstall of the suite via
system restore. If it doesn't help, or if you disable it,  try to delete the
program folders and than run regedit, remove all the entries named
LibreOffice restart and try to install the program again. I'm not sure but I
think that this might help.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-16 Thread Tom
Hi :)
This appears to be a duplicated thread.  
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Problems-while-trying-to-reinstall-LO-3-4-3-td3339161.html#a3341032
The problem got sorted in the duplicate by using this advice from Earl

an excellent free replacement and far superior to MS' Add/Remove,
IMO. You can download it at the link below and install just like any other
app.
After clicking the link, be careful to not choose the 30-day free trial of
the
Pro version -- you don't really need it..well, unless you're needing to
put
your wallet on a diet. :-)  Instead, scroll to the bottom of the page and
click
on the FREE download button. Works great on Win-XP and Vista. If your OS is
otherwise, check requirements at the link before downloading. HTH!

http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

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Regards from
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread Tom
Hi :)
The 
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice\3\user
contains your settings, extensions, spell-checkers, galleries and all that
so re-naming the 3 one forces LibreOffice to make a whole new set of
settings.  It also hides your extensions, spell-checkers and stuff.

When you un-install LibreOffice or OpenOffice (and Thunderbird  Firefox
work the same way too) that config folder is left on your machine because
it's likely that they contain things you might still want to have access to
at some point, eg back-ups of documents, pictures and so on.  It is meant to
make it easier to upgrade the program as the newer release will find your
old settings, dictionaries and so on so you don't need to re-download and
reinstall all that.  Settings that might cause problems almost always get
overwritten so you might find a few changes.  

I have even had scenarios where i have been able to install an older version
of a GnuLinux operating system, reinstalled an older version of my
web-browser and then opened the web-browser to find it remembered all my
tabs and even had a half-filled in form still there!  Not quite what i had
expected and not something i would rely on!

So keeping the path 
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice
intact is often very useful but there shouldn't have been anything left in
the Program Files folder afaik.  The Windows registry is notoriously
problematic even the experts tend to leave it alone or get their fingers
burned and to make it worse a lot of programs that claim to fix it are
actually malware. 

It's interesting to hear the PDF/A-1a option actually helps because so far
it only seems to have caused problems, not fixed them!  It is good to hear
soemthing positive about it for a change :)
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] meaning of pdf open preselections ?

2011-09-16 Thread marco ardito

Hi,
what is the meaning or purpose of two different pdf open preselections 
in LO 343


pdf - portable document format (writer) (*.pdf) 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=xj9rls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=%22pdf+-+portable+document+format+%28writer%29+%28*.pdf%29%22oq=%22pdf+-+portable+document+format+%28writer%29+%28*.pdf%29%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=225l1715l0l1939l4l4l0l0l0l1l277l477l2-2l2l0


pdf - portable document format (impress) (*.pdf) 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=xj9rls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficialq=%22pdf+-+portable+document+format+%28writer%29+%28*.pdf%29%22oq=%22pdf+-+portable+document+format+%28writer%29+%28*.pdf%29%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=225l1715l0l1939l4l4l0l0l0l1l277l477l2-2l2l0


...which in both cases leads to a draw document - nearly unusable in 
both cases, btw.

* if you have pdf text, you get with *separated single letters*...
* if you have pdf tables, you get with *separated single letters* + 
separated draw lines...


so, what is the intended purpose? Thanks.

Marco


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-16 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.  

People that are more likely to know and might even have read studies suggest 
it's more like 90% of users only use 10% of the features.  It would be great to 
have a study about this but it's difficult to avoid bias.  Leading questions 
and assumptions or misunderstandings by users.  Various guys think they always 
uses the most sophisticated new features but in fact never do some even block 
newer or more advanced features because of the 'problems' they have caused.  

Still, i agree with the rest of the project (outside of the Users List) that we 
need to be better at both read  writes of the newer MS formats just to hold on 
to the share of the market we have at the moment let alone try to increase 
that.  

It's not a surprise to hear that a University that might normally champion 
intellectual freedom and freedom of speech is so clueless or mis-informed about 
a computer related issue that they end up forcing people into supporting a big 
profit-making company.  Normally if a university recommends a product they will 
have received funding or some other good deal from the company.  In this case 
the university is probably not getting anything like that.  

It would be nice if TDF could form a team that does what MS do and goes out to 
put our side of the story out to selected companies and such-like.  
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 2:10

At 16:05 15/09/2011 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
 Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
 Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
 can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
 users of MS Office.

I fear that's not entirely true.  There are some facilities in later versions 
of Microsoft Office which can be saved in .docx etc. formats but not in .doc 
etc. formats.  If your correspondents are making use of these facilities, that 
content will be lost if you convert their documents to the older file formats.

Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


The one from LibreOffice-NA.US is the same one as listed from the OOo site.

I looked into it and I cannot see anything in it that would cause problems.

I will look deeper into it and see if I can find anything that could be 
a problem.  I am not an expert in dictionary files, but I will do what I 
can.


On 09/16/2011 03:48 AM, hellion wrote:

Actually it's related to my observation that the problem seemed to be related
to the use of an  *.oxt spellchecker.
I've found some time yesterday to try to locate the problem using the
suggestions I've received via this thread earlier. I uninstalled the 3.3
version of the suite  and installed the Libre office 3.4.3 on my machine.
Again with the received suggestions in mind  just before the installation of
version 3.4.3 I've noticed that there are still files and folders related to
the program after the uninstall - a folder called Libre Office in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice  and a folder Libre
office in Program files (x86). There where also some entries in the registry
too. I've removed them all installed Libre Office 3.4.3 and tried to export
the document as *.pdf this time there where no problems at all. At this
point I've thought that the initial problem was solved and that it was
related to some files left  from older versions of the program. Since I'm
from Bulgaria I need spell checker for Bulgarian which is not present in the
multilanguage version of the suite so through the extension manager I've
installed an *.oxt dictionary for Bulgarian language downloaded from ooo
support. Just of curiosity I've tried to export the document as *.pdf again
and the program immediately crashed. Than i renamed the folder called 3 in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice and tried again to export
the file. This time the process went smooth with no crashes, errors or
whatsoever. I've re-renamed the forlder to 3 and again tried to export the
file and the program had crashed. I've noticed something interesting I've
attempted to export the file as PDF/A-1a, and the process went smooth with
no crashes. So finally I think the issue is related to the installed *.oxt
dictionary. I've downloaded another one from a website called
libreoffice-na.us but the result was the same if the file is not exported as
PDF/A-1a the program crashes. At this point Tom made the suggestion that
maybe it's worth for me to join the Bulgarian List to see if they have a
better dictionary till the problem is resolved. Anyway it really seems that
the issue is a bug worth mentioning. And now my question is is there going
to be solution for the problem in the next versions of the suite?
Best reagrds!
Ilian

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Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


I just checked into every file of the Bulgarian dictionary .oxt file.

Have you seen - microsoft-cp1251 referred to instead of UTF-8 or 
other standard language codes?


Could that be a problem with the Bulgarian dictionaries?

The files use the microsoft-cp1251 reference on the top of most of the 
files.

On other non-Latin based languages, I see UTF-8

Russian language uses KOI8-R.

I have checked with a few others and not one uses the Microsoft 
reference.  They all use non-MS and universal language indicators I have 
seen with web page and other documents.  I never seen a MS reference there.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread Илиан Иванов
I want to say thank you all for all your efforts to solve the problem.
Finaly it was solved by Tim L. who send me a reworked version of the
dictionary, and now the program works perfect. I've tried to exprot
the file in question in with different setting and it works like a
charm :) Thanks again!
Best regards!
Ilian
2011/9/16 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com

 The one from LibreOffice-NA.US is the same one as listed from the OOo site.

 I looked into it and I cannot see anything in it that would cause problems.

 I will look deeper into it and see if I can find anything that could be a 
 problem.  I am not an expert in dictionary files, but I will do what I can.

 On 09/16/2011 03:48 AM, hellion wrote:

 Actually it's related to my observation that the problem seemed to be related
 to the use of an  *.oxt spellchecker.
 I've found some time yesterday to try to locate the problem using the
 suggestions I've received via this thread earlier. I uninstalled the 3.3
 version of the suite  and installed the Libre office 3.4.3 on my machine.
 Again with the received suggestions in mind  just before the installation of
 version 3.4.3 I've noticed that there are still files and folders related to
 the program after the uninstall - a folder called Libre Office in
 C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice  and a folder Libre
 office in Program files (x86). There where also some entries in the registry
 too. I've removed them all installed Libre Office 3.4.3 and tried to export
 the document as *.pdf this time there where no problems at all. At this
 point I've thought that the initial problem was solved and that it was
 related to some files left  from older versions of the program. Since I'm
 from Bulgaria I need spell checker for Bulgarian which is not present in the
 multilanguage version of the suite so through the extension manager I've
 installed an *.oxt dictionary for Bulgarian language downloaded from ooo
 support. Just of curiosity I've tried to export the document as *.pdf again
 and the program immediately crashed. Than i renamed the folder called 3 in
 C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice and tried again to export
 the file. This time the process went smooth with no crashes, errors or
 whatsoever. I've re-renamed the forlder to 3 and again tried to export the
 file and the program had crashed. I've noticed something interesting I've
 attempted to export the file as PDF/A-1a, and the process went smooth with
 no crashes. So finally I think the issue is related to the installed *.oxt
 dictionary. I've downloaded another one from a website called
 libreoffice-na.us but the result was the same if the file is not exported as
 PDF/A-1a the program crashes. At this point Tom made the suggestion that
 maybe it's worth for me to join the Bulgarian List to see if they have a
 better dictionary till the problem is resolved. Anyway it really seems that
 the issue is a bug worth mentioning. And now my question is is there going
 to be solution for the problem in the next versions of the suite?
 Best reagrds!
 Ilian

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragaph Maker not showing

2011-09-16 Thread Lderib
Hello,

I'm on a mac with OSX Lion and I have the same issue for non-printing not
showing in LibreOffice 3.4.3 
OOO340m1 (Build:302).

Where I do not have the Issue in OpenOffice and NeoOffice with the same
document.

As far as I'm concerned this definitely looks like a bug and not a config
issue. (I did not tinker in my config;-) Not even one single click)

Regards,
Luc

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


I will post the working Bulgarian dictionary onto the 
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/dictionary.html; page soon.  There 
will be something like edited in the file name.


Right now, you can get it directly with this link
http://libreoffice-na.us/English//add-on-dictionaries-large-list/bulgarian-dictionary-edit.oxt



On 09/16/2011 10:35 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:

I want to say thank you all for all your efforts to solve the problem.
Finaly it was solved by Tim L. who send me a reworked version of the
dictionary, and now the program works perfect. I've tried to exprot
the file in question in with different setting and it works like a
charm :) Thanks again!
Best regards!
Ilian
2011/9/16 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
webmas...@krackedpress.com


The one from LibreOffice-NA.US is the same one as listed from the OOo 
site.


I looked into it and I cannot see anything in it that would cause 
problems.


I will look deeper into it and see if I can find anything that could 
be a problem.  I am not an expert in dictionary files, but I will do 
what I can.


On 09/16/2011 03:48 AM, hellion wrote:


Actually it's related to my observation that the problem seemed to 
be related

to the use of an  *.oxt spellchecker.
I've found some time yesterday to try to locate the problem using the
suggestions I've received via this thread earlier. I uninstalled the 3.3
version of the suite  and installed the Libre office 3.4.3 on my 
machine.
Again with the received suggestions in mind  just before the 
installation of
version 3.4.3 I've noticed that there are still files and folders 
related to

the program after the uninstall - a folder called Libre Office in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice  and a folder Libre
office in Program files (x86). There where also some entries in the 
registry
too. I've removed them all installed Libre Office 3.4.3 and tried to 
export

the document as *.pdf this time there where no problems at all. At this
point I've thought that the initial problem was solved and that it was
related to some files left  from older versions of the program. 
Since I'm
from Bulgaria I need spell checker for Bulgarian which is not 
present in the

multilanguage version of the suite so through the extension manager I've
installed an *.oxt dictionary for Bulgarian language downloaded from ooo
support. Just of curiosity I've tried to export the document as 
*.pdf again
and the program immediately crashed. Than i renamed the folder 
called 3 in
C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice and tried again 
to export

the file. This time the process went smooth with no crashes, errors or
whatsoever. I've re-renamed the forlder to 3 and again tried to 
export the
file and the program had crashed. I've noticed something interesting 
I've
attempted to export the file as PDF/A-1a, and the process went 
smooth with
no crashes. So finally I think the issue is related to the installed 
*.oxt

dictionary. I've downloaded another one from a website called
libreoffice-na.us but the result was the same if the file is not 
exported as

PDF/A-1a the program crashes. At this point Tom made the suggestion that
maybe it's worth for me to join the Bulgarian List to see if they have a
better dictionary till the problem is resolved. Anyway it really 
seems that
the issue is a bug worth mentioning. And now my question is is there 
going

to be solution for the problem in the next versions of the suite?
Best reagrds!
Ilian

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragaph Maker not showing

2011-09-16 Thread Manfred J. Krause
Hi,

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Lderib wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm on a mac with OSX Lion and I have the same issue for non-printing not
 showing in LibreOffice 3.4.3
 OOO340m1 (Build:302).

 Where I do not have the Issue in OpenOffice and NeoOffice with the same
 document.

 As far as I'm concerned this definitely looks like a bug and not a config
 issue. (I did not tinker in my config;-) Not even one single click)

There's already a 'confirmed' bug report.
Feel free to add a comment...

Bug 40482 - Non-printing characters become invisible (seemingly at random)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40482

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-16 Thread NoOp
On 09/16/2011 07:35 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:
 I want to say thank you all for all your efforts to solve the problem.
 Finaly it was solved by Tim L. who send me a reworked version of the
 dictionary, and now the program works perfect. I've tried to exprot
 the file in question in with different setting and it works like a
 charm :) Thanks again!
 Best regards!
 Ilian
...
These may be of interest:
http://aspell.net/charsets/cyrillic.html
http://bgoffice.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bgoffice/files/




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I believe those APIs are for OOXML packages, not the binary formats.

It could be that they also work on the binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...),
but I would be a little surprised if that were the case.

This has me wonder if digital signatures are even available on the
binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...).  

To confirm that they are (perhaps):

I created a document in Word 2010 and then inserted a signature line.
This is an inserted block where a recipient is expected to review and 
then sign the document.  The signature is then protected as a digital 
signature.

I saved it as a .doc

When I opened it, there is a notice on the top that says This document
needs to be signed.  The View Signatures button showed me that there
is a requested signature from Dennis E. Hamilton.

I clicked the option to sign it as Dennis E. Hamilton. I typed my name
into the signature line field, and clicked Sign.  This had the document
marked as final too.

Then when I clicked to see signature details, it says valid XAdES-EPES
signature.  Wow, and it shows that I signed with a certificate issued
to orcmid that is valid from 2011-03-03 to 2111-02-07.  Hmm, this is
a self-issued certificate that the operating system gave to me.  

When this .doc is opened in LibreOffice, it is as if I had never 
signed it, and the text I typed in for my signature is also missing
in the signature block.

I could find no way to have a .doc signature that was on the document
the way that LibreOffice signs ODF documents.  It could be that I
didn't know where to look, but the signing in Word seems wildly
different from signing in LibreOffice.

-Original Message-
From: draganb [mailto:d_bocev...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 00:18
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Yes, the available API could be used for signing AND verification. And also,
as I learned today, MS also offers a non .NET set of APIs for C and C++
developers.
The Windows 7 Packaging feature is a set of COM-based API that provides
support for accessing, modifying, and saving packages by using C and C++. -
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371623.aspx) 

(from:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2011/04/19/libopc-version-0-0-1-released.aspx)
Historically, there have been two popular .NET APIs for Open XML
development: System.IO.Packaging (which first appeared in .NET 3.0) and the
Open XML SDK, released in early 2007. There’s also a COM-based native
packaging API available for non-.NET Windows developers.


Aside from this, some enthusiasts began working on a open source component
for working with OPC container named libopc. They also wrote a LibreOffice
extension for working with MS formats as an alternative to the LO native
support for MS formats. It could turn out an interesting project. 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUlEVLnz6Ufeature=player_embedded#!)

Dragan



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List Post Echoing (was RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help)

2011-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I am changing the subject - should have done that long ago.

Short answer: Whether a list service send out new posts to every e-mail
subscriber or suppresses those back to the originator of a new post is
a function of the list service software and available settings.

It has nothing to do with the e-mail system that is used to send the
post, so long as it is sent by e-mail.  Whether something else happens
in your e-mail client is independent of what the list-service does with
e-mailed posts it receives.

 - Dennis

LONGER NARRATIVE

Whether you see your own posts echoed by an e-mail list in your inbox has
 nothing to do with how they are sent to the list.  You see the posts on 
the lists here if you are a subscriber.  There may be options on the list to 
not echo posts from the sender back to the subscriber, but that is not the
default for *this* list.  

Also, if you as a sender have been moderated as
acceptable to the list, whether or not you have subscribed, your posts may
appear on a list but not echoed to you (because you are not a subscriber).
I don't know if this list is moderated that way.  A list that I moderate
does allow me to approve senders who are not subscribers, so their posts
don't have to go through moderation after that.

Finally, some lists allow subscribers to not receive any e-mail from the list,
especially if you have to be subscribed to send.  Then the way you read the
list is via the web interface to the list archive or by using a tool like 
GMANE, perhaps.

If you use the web interface on this list to post a message, you are not using
your e-mail client at all.  As far as I know, every e-mail subscriber, including
yourself, will receive the post that the list sends out to all subscribers,
when the post is made using the web-browser interface of this list. 

Everything above is totally about what the list service might or might not do.

Now about the sending e-mail system:

Whether your e-mail client retains its own copies of what you send somewhere
is independent of that.  I have my e-mail client file replies in the same
folder as the message I am replying to.  So I will see the reply that I sent
and I will see that same message echoed on the list itself (because of rules 
I have set for incoming mail from this list).  I use the first copy, of what
I sent and which shows up as soon as I do a send of my outbox contents, as a
reminder of what I am waiting for.  That is part of my e-mail ritual.

Sometimes, I keep the original that was sent because the list server modifies
the formatting of the ones it sends out (say, by forcing fixed maximum line
lengths and word-wrapping, something that, if this list did, would stop NoOp
from yelling at me, though the service doesn't know how to change a top post 
to any-thing else [;).

I could have the reply that I sent simply be in my send-mail folder, but I 
would still receive the version that was sent to list subscribers by the
list.

It is conceivable that mail services might suppress what are obviously returns
of messages that were originated by the account receiving them.  That is pretty
freaky.  I hope it doesn't really happen that way.  I don't believe it happens
for Brian, because if it did he would have no expectation of receiving echoes
from any lists.  He is also not using a gmail address (though he could still be
using gmail as a sender).

There are many places where e-mail and list-service protocols act on the mails
sent from our outboxes in the chain of actions that has the list send posts to
subscribers and that has subscribers receive posts in their inboxes.  Some
components in this process can inject inappropriate actions that have unintended
consequences, simply because someone did not respect all of the distributed
variations and fixed something in the wrong place.  

Folklore about what is happening arises easily, because most of us never see
what happens from one end to the other, and think that everyone sees incoming
messages the same way, the way it was seen when it was sent.  It doesn't work
like that.  And, in general, it is not possible for a sender to anticipate
all of the variations of what folks will see when a single list post is sent.
Likewise, what a recipient sees need having little to do with what other
recipients might see.

So it goes.

-Original Message-
From: Sigrid Carrera [mailto:sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 00:08
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

Hi Brian, *, 

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:10:14 +0100
Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:

 At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
 The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
 that you write.
 
 Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

that is a feature of gmail and similar web services. (I know for
sure for gmail, but I think yahoo does this too.) Your email provider
decides that you don't need to see your 

[libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-16 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 16.09.2011 03:10, Brian Barker wrote:


I fear that's not entirely true. There are some facilities in later
versions of Microsoft Office which can be saved in .docx etc. formats
but not in .doc etc. formats. If your correspondents are making use of
these facilities, that content will be lost if you convert their
documents to the older file formats.


But then LibreOffice does not support these facilities neither. The 
supported features in MSO before 2007 and LibO/OOo are very close and so 
are the file formats. The main purpose of OOXML is incompatibility while 
having something with Office and Open and XML in the name.



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[libreoffice-users] LO Base 3.4.3 on Linux using ODBC

2011-09-16 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger

Hello,
I am running LO-Base on LO 3.4.3 with MySQL accessed through ODBC on 
Debian-Wheezy.
When I enter data into a table where some columns have a default value defined
(i.e., I do NOT actually enter ANYTHING into such colums but rely on the
default value) this default value is actually entered correctly into the table.
However, the default value is not shown on completion of data entry. Only when 
selecting
the tuple afterwards do I see that everything is o.k.
This only happens on my Linux system. LO 3.3.4.1 Base on MS-Vista with the 
native
MySQL-Connector does everything correctly.
Regards
H. Stoellinger
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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-16 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger

Hello again,
On my Linux/LO 3.4.3 system, after some time of working with Base (ODBC 
connetcion
to MySQL), LO uses 90 to 100 p.c. of one of the 4 CPUs of my PC. When I then 
save
LO-Base, CPU-usage is normal again (for a while!). I don't really know what 
causes
this behaviour, could it have to to with backup copy creation? I find an aweful
lot of backup files in /home/rainermusik/.libreoffice/3/user/backup.
All of them have a filename something like rmodbc.odb_9777.odb and are of 0 
(zero)
size. I wonder what's wrong.
Regards
H. Stoellinger

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-16 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Are you sure that's not a password rather than a signature?  I had a similar 
'problem' at work = ie that is was unexpectedly easy to open a document that 
was supposed to be protected in some way.  

Now i am wondering if my works file was just signed when it should have been 
password protected.  Of course it's impossible to find out from the accounts 
department exactly what they were trying to do and what they really ended up 
doing.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 16/9/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 17:51

I believe those APIs are for OOXML packages, not the binary formats.

It could be that they also work on the binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...),
but I would be a little surprised if that were the case.

This has me wonder if digital signatures are even available on the
binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...).  

To confirm that they are (perhaps):

I created a document in Word 2010 and then inserted a signature line.
This is an inserted block where a recipient is expected to review and 
then sign the document.  The signature is then protected as a digital 
signature.

I saved it as a .doc

When I opened it, there is a notice on the top that says This document
needs to be signed.  The View Signatures button showed me that there
is a requested signature from Dennis E. Hamilton.

I clicked the option to sign it as Dennis E. Hamilton. I typed my name
into the signature line field, and clicked Sign.  This had the document
marked as final too.

Then when I clicked to see signature details, it says valid XAdES-EPES
signature.  Wow, and it shows that I signed with a certificate issued
to orcmid that is valid from 2011-03-03 to 2111-02-07.  Hmm, this is
a self-issued certificate that the operating system gave to me.  

When this .doc is opened in LibreOffice, it is as if I had never 
signed it, and the text I typed in for my signature is also missing
in the signature block.

I could find no way to have a .doc signature that was on the document
the way that LibreOffice signs ODF documents.  It could be that I
didn't know where to look, but the signing in Word seems wildly
different from signing in LibreOffice.

-Original Message-
From: draganb [mailto:d_bocev...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 00:18
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Yes, the available API could be used for signing AND verification. And also,
as I learned today, MS also offers a non .NET set of APIs for C and C++
developers.
The Windows 7 Packaging feature is a set of COM-based API that provides
support for accessing, modifying, and saving packages by using C and C++. -
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371623.aspx) 

(from:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2011/04/19/libopc-version-0-0-1-released.aspx)
Historically, there have been two popular .NET APIs for Open XML
development: System.IO.Packaging (which first appeared in .NET 3.0) and the
Open XML SDK, released in early 2007. There’s also a COM-based native
packaging API available for non-.NET Windows developers.


Aside from this, some enthusiasts began working on a open source component
for working with OPC container named libopc. They also wrote a LibreOffice
extension for working with MS formats as an alternative to the LO native
support for MS formats. It could turn out an interesting project. 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzUlEVLnz6Ufeature=player_embedded#!)

Dragan



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I can easily believe that the terms protection, signing, and save with password 
are easily confused.  

 - Dennis

DETAILS

The digital signature case is quite different than Save with Password (which is 
done with password-based encryption, not signing).

Both are quite different from *Protection* of documents to be read-only 
entirely or in part (but not requiring a password to open and read). 

Protection is most commonly encountered in spreadsheets used as forms so that 
the user of the form does not inadvertently type in fields that are not meant 
to be changeable.  Protection can be locked with a password so that only the 
author can release it easily.  (It is trivial to overcome by direct access to 
the XML of the ODF document, however, and protections can even be forged.)

It is quite possible that protection does not pass across from Microsoft Office 
documents to LibreOffice (and back).  One important difficulty is that the hash 
used to authenticate a password for releasing a protection is computed 
differently on the two systems, so the password simply won't work in both 
places. There are solutions to that, but I haven't seen any being used.


 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:59
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Hi :)
Are you sure that's not a password rather than a signature?  I had a similar 
'problem' at work = ie that is was unexpectedly easy to open a document that 
was supposed to be protected in some way.  

Now i am wondering if my works file was just signed when it should have been 
password protected.  Of course it's impossible to find out from the accounts 
department exactly what they were trying to do and what they really ended up 
doing.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 16/9/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 17:51

I believe those APIs are for OOXML packages, not the binary formats.

It could be that they also work on the binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...),
but I would be a little surprised if that were the case.

This has me wonder if digital signatures are even available on the
binary formats (.doc, .xls, ...).  

To confirm that they are (perhaps):

I created a document in Word 2010 and then inserted a signature line.
This is an inserted block where a recipient is expected to review and 
then sign the document.  The signature is then protected as a digital 
signature.

I saved it as a .doc

When I opened it, there is a notice on the top that says This document
needs to be signed.  The View Signatures button showed me that there
is a requested signature from Dennis E. Hamilton.

I clicked the option to sign it as Dennis E. Hamilton. I typed my name
into the signature line field, and clicked Sign.  This had the document
marked as final too.

Then when I clicked to see signature details, it says valid XAdES-EPES
signature.  Wow, and it shows that I signed with a certificate issued
to orcmid that is valid from 2011-03-03 to 2111-02-07.  Hmm, this is
a self-issued certificate that the operating system gave to me.  

When this .doc is opened in LibreOffice, it is as if I had never 
signed it, and the text I typed in for my signature is also missing
in the signature block.

I could find no way to have a .doc signature that was on the document
the way that LibreOffice signs ODF documents.  It could be that I
didn't know where to look, but the signing in Word seems wildly
different from signing in LibreOffice.

-Original Message-
From: draganb [mailto:d_bocev...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 00:18
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Yes, the available API could be used for signing AND verification. And also,
as I learned today, MS also offers a non .NET set of APIs for C and C++
developers.
The Windows 7 Packaging feature is a set of COM-based API that provides
support for accessing, modifying, and saving packages by using C and C++. -
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd371623.aspx) 

(from:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2011/04/19/libopc-version-0-0-1-released.aspx)
Historically, there have been two popular .NET APIs for Open XML
development: System.IO.Packaging (which first appeared in .NET 3.0) and the
Open XML SDK, released in early 2007. There’s also a COM-based native
packaging API available for non-.NET Windows developers.


Aside from this, some enthusiasts began working on a open source component
for working with OPC container named libopc. They also wrote a LibreOffice
extension for working with MS formats as an alternative to the LO native
support for MS formats. It could turn out an interesting 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc

2011-09-16 Thread CHAILLET Jacques

Le 07/09/2011 05:36, Michael D. Setzer II a écrit :

On 6 Sep 2011 at 23:57, Klaus Friis Østergaard wrote:

Date sent:  Tue, 6 Sep 2011 23:57:05 +0200
Subject:[libreoffice-users] Calc
From:   Klaus Friis Østergaardfarremo...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Send reply to:  users@global.libreoffice.org


Seach criteria in SUM.IF

I have a list:

with two coloums:

AB
Type   Amount
a1000
b 500
c 250
a 200
a 100
b 300
...

in real life with more than 50 types

I want to make a table that summerizes the total amount of types.

I did the following
=DSUM($A$16:$B$22,Amount,{Type;a})

Put your example headings and number in A16: B22, and then
made the formula in another cell to the right and copied it down.
Then just need to change the a to each of the other options.



I wanted to make a two coloum table again like this:


XY
Type   total_amount
a1300
b 800
c 250

I was trying to use sum.if function.

but how do I make the criteria string in the sum.if Depending on the value
in coloum X

a   =sum.if(A1:A10;=a;B1:B10)  but this is static,

how can I make this as an reference with CONCATENATE like =sum.if(A1:A10,
CONCATENATE('=';TEXT(X2);'');B1:B10 )



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Hello Michael,

I thik that the demo file downloadable by following that link may help you:

http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=cj201109/cijDu46Eko.ods

I use the sumif fonction to extract from a table the amounts categorised 
in column G and to create a subtable named budget to check my personal 
finance.


Hope to be helpfull/

Jacques CHAILLET

Sorry for my poor langage. (French native)


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-16 Thread NoOp
On 09/16/2011 11:44 AM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
 Hello again,
 On my Linux/LO 3.4.3 system, after some time of working with Base (ODBC 
 connetcion
 to MySQL), LO uses 90 to 100 p.c. of one of the 4 CPUs of my PC. When I then 
 save
 LO-Base, CPU-usage is normal again (for a while!). I don't really know what 
 causes
 this behaviour, could it have to to with backup copy creation? I find an 
 aweful
 lot of backup files in /home/rainermusik/.libreoffice/3/user/backup.
 All of them have a filename something like rmodbc.odb_9777.odb and are of 0 
 (zero)
 size. I wonder what's wrong.
 Regards
 H. Stoellinger
 

And what happens if you turn off auto backup?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-16 Thread Don Myers



On 09/16/2011 08:31 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 09/16/2011 11:44 AM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:

Hello again,
On my Linux/LO 3.4.3 system, after some time of working with Base (ODBC 
connetcion
to MySQL), LO uses 90 to 100 p.c. of one of the 4 CPUs of my PC. When I then 
save
LO-Base, CPU-usage is normal again (for a while!). I don't really know what 
causes
this behaviour, could it have to to with backup copy creation? I find an aweful
lot of backup files in /home/rainermusik/.libreoffice/3/user/backup.
All of them have a filename something like rmodbc.odb_9777.odb and are of 0 
(zero)
size. I wonder what's wrong.
Regards
H. Stoellinger


And what happens if you turn off auto backup?



  

Hi All,

Base worked well for me in Windows since it was created while I was 
running Windows, and for two years in Ubuntu until the Java for Linux 
was updated from 1.6.0_22 to 1.6.0_24 last spring. At that point Base 
became almost unusable. In a database with 2500 records, instead of 
going from the first record to the last record in about 1 second, the 
time became 25 to 30 seconds. When I looked at CPU usage. 1 core would 
be running at 100% during this time. Java 1.6.0_26 then came out, and 
the same problem existed. About 5 weeks ago someone started a thread 
titled something like Base runs unacceptably slowly. One person left a 
post stating that in Linux you can have more than one version of Java 
installed at the same time and left the following instructions:

Overview:

1. Download the JRE archive (approx. 20 mb)
2. Extract in /tmp
3. as root, copy the extracted directory to /usr/lib/jvm
4. set this JRE as the JRE of choice in LO (ToolsOptionsJava)
5. Exit LO  restart

Instructions:

1.Download jre-6u21-linux-i586.bin (for i386) or jre-6u21-linux-x64.bin for
x86_64 from
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javasebusiness/downloads/java-archive-downloads-javase6-419409.html#jre-6u21-b07-oth-JPR
JRE archive at ORACLE . Save to /tmp . Open Terminal and enter cd /tmp. 
Then do the following commands:

2.run it using: sh jre-6u21-linux-i586.bin . The JRE is now extracted to
/tmp/jre1.6.0_21/
3. copy to /usr/lib/jvm sudo cp -a jre1.6.0_21/ /usr/lib/jvm
4. Exit  restart office.  In ToolsOptionsJava, choose 1.6.0_21. Exit 
restart office
5. Load you Base file  compare the speed.

If you want to remove it simply set the JRE back to the old one in
ToolsOptionsJava  sudo rm -rf /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.6.0_21/

This does not replace your current Java install in your browsers, or 
even show up in synaptic package manager. But it does  show up as being 
available for LibreOffice. This solved my problem totally. 1.6.0_21 
works very fast with Base. I haven't worried about security problems 
since the browsers are using the current versions, there isn't any 
plugin installed for 1.6.0_21 for the browsers, and also since it 
doesn't show up in synaptic. Does that mean there are not any risks? I 
don't know, but I would think any risk would be minimal.


The reason I think this might be your problem is because you have the 
same issue with CPU usage that I did.


Don




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-16 Thread NoOp
On 09/16/2011 07:03 PM, Don Myers wrote:
 
 
 On 09/16/2011 08:31 PM, NoOp wrote:
 On 09/16/2011 11:44 AM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
 Hello again,
 On my Linux/LO 3.4.3 system, after some time of working with Base (ODBC 
 connetcion
 to MySQL), LO uses 90 to 100 p.c. of one of the 4 CPUs of my PC. When I 
 then save
 LO-Base, CPU-usage is normal again (for a while!). I don't really know what 
 causes
 this behaviour, could it have to to with backup copy creation? I find an 
 aweful
 lot of backup files in /home/rainermusik/.libreoffice/3/user/backup.
 All of them have a filename something like rmodbc.odb_9777.odb and are of 
 0 (zero)
 size. I wonder what's wrong.
 Regards
 H. Stoellinger

 And what happens if you turn off auto backup?



   
 Hi All,
 
 Base worked well for me in Windows since it was created while I was 
 running Windows, and for two years in Ubuntu until the Java for Linux 
 was updated from 1.6.0_22 to 1.6.0_24 last spring. At that point Base 
 became almost unusable. In a database with 2500 records, instead of 
 going from the first record to the last record in about 1 second, the 
 time became 25 to 30 seconds. When I looked at CPU usage. 1 core would 
 be running at 100% during this time. Java 1.6.0_26 then came out, and 
 the same problem existed. About 5 weeks ago someone started a thread 
 titled something like Base runs unacceptably slowly. One person left a 
 post stating that in Linux you can have more than one version of Java 
 installed at the same time and left the following instructions:

Please provide a link to your bug reports (for both LO and Java). Thanks.
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[libreoffice-users] In Writer, how can I type Indian fonts, such as Sanskrit?

2011-09-16 Thread Winston Yang
In Writer, how can I type Indian fonts, such as Devanagari/Devanaagarii, 
for Hindi or Sanskrit?


I'm using LibreOffice 3.4.3 on Linux (Trisquel 4.5.1).

I tried going to the following places:

Trisquel: System  Administration  Language Support

Writer: Tools  Options  Language Settings  Languages

Thank you.

Winston

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[libreoffice-users] Does Libre Office have merge codes?

2011-09-16 Thread AMCooper63
I am VP of a rocketry club. I'm trying to convert my WordPerfect files to
Libre Office. I've automated a lot of functions with WordPerfect's merge
codes. I am trying to find similar functionality in Lebre Office. 

For those who don't know what WordPerfect merge codes are I'll attempt to
explain. I have many mail merge documents. Those documents look at values in
database field to decide what to do. For instance, it  uses the birth date,
compares it to today's date to calculate how old some one is then choose
from a table what the correct membership fee is. That membership fee is put
in the document. 

Is there similar functionality in Libre Office?

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