Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I completely disagree with that.  From what i see of average users even 10% 
might be far too high and it's the same 10% not a different 10% for each 
person.  

A lot of secretaries and people that work with Word all day long consider the 
use of indent, tabs or tables rather than lots of spaces as scarily technical 
or over-complicated.  Copypaste is beyond a lot of people, especially using 
keyboard short-cuts.  I have seen a lot of people with a spreadsheet open on 
their machine yet they reach for a calculator to add up a list of figures and i 
am talking about office managers, senior executives, accountants, not dumb 
idiots!  A person that takes a LOT of pictures with an iPhone was shocked when 
i turned it sideways to see landscape pictures fill the screen.  

Using Calc does not mean using 1/6th of the functionality of the entire Suite.  
It often means just typing in numbers and maybe looking at the results at the 
end of the row.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sun, 18/9/11, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote:

From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 6:53

David,

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote: 

 On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
  about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more 
  like about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
 I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and 
 I'll repost this in a new thread.
 
 The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO 
 and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to 
 me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or 
 LO or what have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the 
 features available as extensions.
 

I think you will actually find individuals use about 20 - 25% of the
features regularly but I think you will find there is very little
overlap. This means that LO needs to cover about 75 - 85% of the
features as a minimum to cover the user base. You will find users who
will use one or two components almost exclusively and very rarely use
the others. For example I use Writer and Calc extensively, Base
occasionally, and almost never use Impress or Draw. 

 I'd like comments on this idea.
 
 David Teague
 
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahah, thanks Jay.  I was hoping that HSql only dipped into using java for a few 
things.  So, Don needs to have that java box ticked all the time he uses Base 
and can only avoid it when not using Base at all.

Is it possible to edit short-cuts and stuff so that opening Base will enable 
java but opening java wont?  I think it might be possible in GnuLinux by 
having 2 different short-cuts on the desktop or in the taskbar/panel.

regards from
Tom :)


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From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 6:58

Hi,
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 23:30 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 

 Hi :)
 Thanks Don.  I think you might be able to convert/export/migrate your 
 back-end to a different one.  I don't think you have to stick with HSql.  I'm 
 not sure if it's possible to remove java dependence when using HSql, i 
 thought it was but i could be wrong.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Sat, 17/9/11, Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote:
 
 From: Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com
 Subject: Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 23:13
 
 Hi All,
 
 I set up base shortly after it was added to Open Office. Apparently I am 
 using the embedded database - HSQL database engine. If I turn off Java 
 (I just tried it.), I get the following error message:
 The connection to the data source RE Database could not be 
 established. No SDBC driver was found for the given URL.
 
 I cannot open my database without Java enabled. So using the database 
 included with base will not work without Java.
 
 Don

snip

The HSQL engine is Java based. It may be possible to use Base as a
front-end for something like MySQL or PostgreSQL, which do not use Java.


 On 09/17/2011 08:29 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  I think you can completely un-install all instances of java but i think 
  that might create problems.  Your web-browser might not be very happy 
  without java.  Generally i try to keep escape routes and back-up plans 
  available = so i would just switch off java in LO so that i could switch it 
  on again quite easily if i needed it.
 
  Tools - Options - LibreOffice/General - Java
  then UNtick the box at the very top Use a java runtime environment.  I 
  have only unticked this a few days ago and LO seems to start-up a lot 
  faster.
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
  --- On Sat, 17/9/11, Heinrich Stoellingerhc.stoellin...@aon.at  wrote:
 
  From: Heinrich Stoellingerhc.stoellin...@aon.at
  Subject: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage
  To: users@global.libreoffice.orgusers@global.libreoffice.org
  Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 11:55
 
  Hello again,
  Is there a misunderstanding somewhere? As I said, I use the ODBC-connection
  to MySQL on Linux (and a very well working native MySQL-connection under
  Windows). Like I posted in another message, ODBC also has problems (such
  as not showing default values for columns correctly on data entry, but -
  since the database is actually updated correctly - this doesn't really
  worry me much.
  So, like Tom suggests: can I get completely rid of Java if I don't
  conciously use it in any way that an end-user or programmer could cause?
  That would be more than alright for me...
  Regards
  H. Stoellinger (from a lovely early autumn sunny day here in Salzburg)
  P.S.: I have used the Java-connector in the past but don't do so anymore.
 
 
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  From: Andreas Sägerville...@t-online.de
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage
  Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:35:28 +0200
 
  Since you are not running MySQL through ODBC you can turn off all Java
  support for the entire office suite and simply work with the raw
  database connectivity and input forms.
  All the Java wizards are close to useless anyway. You don't need them
  and get much better results faster if you know what you're doing.
 
 
 
  Am 16.09.2011 20:44, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
  Hello again,
  On my Linux/LO 3.4.3 system, after some time of working with Base (ODBC
  connetcion
  to MySQL), LO uses 90 to 100 p.c. of one of the 4 CPUs of my PC. When I
  then save
  LO-Base, CPU-usage is normal again (for a while!). I don't really know
  what causes
  this behaviour, could it have to to with backup copy creation? I find an
  aweful
  lot of backup files in /home/rainermusik/.libreoffice/3/user/backup.
  All of them have a filename something like rmodbc.odb_9777.odb and are
  of 0 (zero)
  size. I wonder what's wrong.
  Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think everyone on this list, even a fresh  'clueless' noob, is in the top 
10%.  The very fact of knowing about and trying LibreOffice puts people in a 
very exclusive top percentage of office 'geeks'.  

Apparently it would not be trivial to remove features and  make  
add-ons/extensions to add back that functionality if required.  Even on 
low-spec machines there probably wouldn't be a dramatic increase in performance 
and it might complicate things too much.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Sun, 18/9/11, Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org wrote:

From: Tim Deaton t...@timdeaton.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 3:13

It's very true that 80% of people only use 20% of the program.  The 
problem is that my 20% is not your 20%.  Now, if you could do in-depth 
tracking of thousands of random users, you might be able to isolate a 
certain set of features that almost nobody uses.  Then those features 
could be removed if doing so would make enough difference (in 
performance or in resources used) to make it worth the effort.

-- Tim Deaton



On 9/17/2011 8:40 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 I really like that idea a lot but i have been told it's unfeasable.  Even if 
 we could clearly identify that 20% it would be tricky to slim the apps down 
 that way.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Sat, 17/9/11, David B Teague srdavidbtea...@comporium.net  wrote:

 From: David B Teague srdavidbtea...@comporium.net
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Saturday, 17 September, 2011, 13:30

 On 9/16/2011 6:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 If you were able to ring-fence about 20% of the features of MS Office then 
 about 80% of users never stray outside that.  From what i see it's more like 
 about 100% of users.  Most users don't even use all of that 20%.
 I hope this isn't hijacking the thread, and if so, /please /say so, and I'll 
 repost this in a new thread.

 The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, LO and 
 OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users suggests to me that 
 OO.o should identify that 20% of features and modularize OO.o or LO or what 
 have you to include that 20% and make the other 80% of the features available 
 as extensions.

 I'd like comments on this idea.

 David Teague

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Persistent Restore Windows Window

2011-09-18 Thread Guy Voets
Hello,

I had the same problem on a MacBookPro - see thread 'annoying restore
window' recently
quote:

Hello,

Looked at the bug report. This is really what's happening on my MBP,
but fortunately not on my iMac till now (both with Lion 7.1 and LibO
3.4.2 (probably)).

I tried the solution via Terminal and it seems to work. Thanks NoOp
for pointing in out - and for iago to provide the command.
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007

The eternal restore window has now gone... but I think it is an
important bug, as others in the bug report said, and should be
addressed if LibO wants to keep simple Mac users on board!

Thanks.

So take a look at the bug report and use the command in a Terminal window.
It worked for me...
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-18 Thread Mark Stanton
To be clear, Don only needs to have the Java box ticked when opening 
Base AND using a backend that requires Java, like HSQL.

As for your second paragraph, I suspect you meant but opening WRITER 
won't... ?  If so, the answer is probably no.  LO isn't a 
collection of unrelated apps, it's a suite, at least inasmuch as it 
only has one set of options for some things, like using Java.  It 
looks to me like these options are stored at the user level so he 
could set up a second user, bit of a nuisance but that could do it I 
think.

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[libreoffice-users] A place to find .oxt dictionary files since OOo's site is down most times

2011-09-18 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


Just to give people a reminder of a place to find dictionaries, with the 
OOo side down most of the time, or flaky when up [plus a few - at least 
4 - not found there as well]:


I have created a very large dictionary list for the original North 
American Community DVD site.
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/dictionary.html  [3.3.4 installs listed 
on that site, with 3.4.1 installs at 
http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/index.html]


There are 199 dictionaries listed, which includes 26 localized Spanish 
ones.  I also made an English dictionary with the most up-to-date en-US 
word list file, which is over a year newer than any other US English 
dictionary found on the original OOo dictionary list.


Drew was working on the CMS version of the NA-DVD, but I have not heard 
any updates from him in a while.  The Original version is still 
running.  I have version for 3.3.4 Windows/Linux/Mac, and 3.3.4 
Windows-only.  Right now, the 3.4.x versions are using 3.4.1, but 
hopefully soon I will have it updated to the latest 3.4.x version out 
there. [I have not upgraded my Ubuntu system beyond 3.4.1 either].  The 
3.3.4 site is in the same style of the CMS system, while 3.4.1 site is 
in the original version used before the CMS site was open to other 
projects other than the German language version of a DVD.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Re: LibreOffice-Base CPU usage

2011-09-18 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 18/09/11 00:44, Don Myers a écrit :

Hi Don,
 
 There is an old saying - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The thing I
 dislike most about Base is to have to open three windows to get to my
 form in the database. Some time ago I left a post on an Open Office
 forum asking if there was a way to set up a macro so I could do it in
 one click.


You can save your forms outside of the ODB file, and open them from that
outside location. Save as... and then choose where you want to save
your form. This then means that you have to manage an ODB file plus any
forms you have saved elsewhere if you want to redistribute a working db
solution.


Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Base 3.4.3 on Linux using ODBC

2011-09-18 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 17/09/11 22:14, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit :
 Hello Alex,
 Seems like I unfortunately cannot get rid of the Java Runtime environment.
 The reason is that the report-generator needs it!!!  :(
 Regards
 Heinrich

Yes, absolutely, the Oracle Report Builder is Java based. Without Java
it simply won't run.


Alex


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :


Hi Andreas,

 As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
 Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.
 

It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. It is
shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it in their
extensions build setup. Why, well firstly because no one gives a damn,
and second, to build the connector you have to rely on the mysql C
connector library (even if you use mysql C++ library) and that library
is GPL2, which means that the connector that links to it has to be
released under the GPL (this is in fact what Sun did with the native
connector extension). The LibO project releases under the LGPL/MPL and
not the GPL.

At the moment, the OOo mysql native connector is available for download
from here :

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector

My advice, get it while you can and keep a copy near to hand.

How long that will remain the case now that this site is to integrated
into the ApacheOOo project remains to be seen, because Apache can not
accept GPLed code into its projects.

I have built the native connector for MacOSX and put it on the
LibreOffice extensions site, but as far as I know, no one has built it
for Windows or Linux (on Linux the question is mostly irrelevant because
the distribs provide it in most cases, however, that does mean you are
tied to the distrib version of LibreOffice).


Alex




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[libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 18.09.2011 16:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :


Hi Andreas,


As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.



It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. It is
shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it in their
extensions build setup.


Thank you,
Now I see that we first choose MySQL and then we are prompted for ODBC 
or JDBC. I was under the impression that MySQL refers to the built-in 
driver.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-18 Thread Brian Barker

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote:
The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, 
LO and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users 
suggests to me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and 
modularize OO.o or LO or what have you to include that 20% and make 
the other 80% of the features available as extensions.


One thing to remember is that in institutions, it will not be the 
user's job to install or upgrade software.  Users should not be 
running as root/administrator and will not have access to any 
installation media.  The efficient way to install software in such 
scenarios is to install everything and to provide hardware capable of 
operating it satisfactorily.  There would be no advantage - indeed, 
considerable disadvantage - if IT departments had to hunt down a set 
of extensions to make up the package they needed.  It would be 
another obstacle to change.


Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Does Libre Office have merge codes?

2011-09-18 Thread AMCooper63
Merge fields are only the beginning. I found those. What I need is the
ability to use code to do things with the data in the mail merge. I found
conditional fields. But that isn't enough yet.  I need to be able to do
things like I described in the first post. Also, based upon the value of a
field, add a specific graphic to the merge letter. 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Does Libre Office have merge codes?

2011-09-18 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 18.09.2011 17:41, AMCooper63 wrote:

Merge fields are only the beginning. I found those. What I need is the
ability to use code to do things with the data in the mail merge. I found
conditional fields. But that isn't enough yet.  I need to be able to do
things like I described in the first post. Also, based upon the value of a
field, add a specific graphic to the merge letter.

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SQL queries can calculate anything you want.
Reports can display graphics.
So you may collect all required concatenations, aggregates and 
calculations in a query and create a report from that query instead of a 
mail merge letter.



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[libreoffice-users] Where the option Active OLE Object outplace?

2011-09-18 Thread myhouse_1...@mail.ru
I generally use OpenOffice 3.2.1 only for one reason - it has Active
OLE Object outplace feature. This makes my work more comfortable. But
in the new version of OpenOffice this feature disappeared. Also it is
apply to LibreOffice 3.4.3. So, it is possible to recover Active OLE
Object outplace?


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[libreoffice-users] Remove Macros

2011-09-18 Thread SuneOskar
I can't remove assigned macros from a sheet.
Tools - Customize - Events - Remove - OK doe's not work.

LibreOffice 3.4.3  Mac OS X 10.6.8




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[libreoffice-users] storeToURL fails until machine is rebooted.

2011-09-18 Thread Bill Gradwohl
Below are 2 routines that print a sheet to paper and then to a .pdf file.

After the machine is started in the morning, and then for x number of
transactions, these routines work as expected. At some point however, an
error occurs at the line below that says:   
thisComponent.storeToURL(pdfURL,args())

When I use the debug window to look at the fields being passes to the
storeToURL, they are as expected. I have no idea why after a while the
storeToURL fails and continues to fail until I reboot the machine.
Getting out of LO does not work. I have to reboot the box to get it
functioning again.

After a reboot, the sheet that was to be printed and turned into a pdf
again works as expected. Other executions work as expected until it
stops working as expected some number of transactions later and I have
no idea why.

Because I have to bounce the box to correct this, I suspect the problem
is in a loaded library that does not unload when LO is closed.

Anyone have any insight? I think this is a real bug.


sub receiptPrint(PrintOnPaper as boolean)
dim printRange(0)as new
com.sun.star.table.CellRangeAddress
dim nullRange()  as new
com.sun.star.table.CellRangeAddress
dim printOptions(1)  as new
com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue

dim doc  as object
dim sheetReceipt as object

On Error goto errorRoutine

doc = ThisComponent
sheetReceipt=doc.sheets.getByName(Receipt)

printOptions(0).Name=Wait
printOptions(0).Value=True
printOptions(1).Name=CopyCount
printOptions(1).Value=1

printRange(0).sheet=sheetReceipt.RangeAddress.Sheet
printRange(0).StartColumn=0
printRange(0).StartRow=0
printRange(0).EndColumn=9
printRange(0).EndRow=getEndRow(sheetReceipt)

thisComponent.sheets(sheetReceipt.RangeAddress.Sheet).setPrintAreas(printRange())
if printOnPaper=True then
   thisComponent.Print(printOptions())
end if

On error goto 0

printPDF(receipt)

thisComponent.sheets(sheetReceipt.RangeAddress.Sheet).setPrintAreas(nullRange())

saveSpreadSheet()
exit sub

errorRoutine:
dim message as string
if Err0 then
   message=Error Number   Err   at line   Erl  chr$(10) 
Error()  chr$(10)
   msgbox message,0,Error Occurred
endif
end sub ' receiptPrint










sub printPDF(subDir as string)
dim odsURL as string
dim pdfURL as string
dim strArray() as string
dim x as integer
DIM args(0) AS NEW com.sun.star.beans.PropertyValue

'exit sub

odsURL=thisComponent.getURL()  ' file:///bill/Desktop/WestEnd.ods
' Need file:///bill/Desktop/.pdf/YYMMDD/subDir/count#.pdf
strArray=split(odsURL,/)

for x=0 to ubound(strArray)-1
   pdfURL=pdfURL  strArray(x)  /
next x

pdfURL=pdfURL  .pdf
if dir(pdfURL,16)= then
   mkdir pdfURL
end if

pdfURL=pdfURL  /  right(year(Date()),2)  right(100  +
month(Date()),2)  right(100 + day(Date()),2)
if dir(pdfURL,16)= then
   mkdir pdfURL
end if

pdfURL=pdfURL  /  subDir
if dir(pdfURL,16)= then
   mkdir pdfURL
end if

pdfURL=pdfURL  /
x=1
while dir(pdfURL  right(1000 + x,3)  .pdf,16)  
   x=x+1
wend
pdfURL=pdfURL  right(1000 + x,3)  .pdf

'   Save as PDF

args(0).Name = FilterName
args(0).Value = writer_pdf_Export
thisComponent.storeToURL(pdfURL,args())

end sub

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread Heinrich Stoellinger

Hi Alex,
As I have already mentioned in an earlier posting - I downloaded the
connector from the site you mention. However, trying to then install/activate
it in my LO 3.4.3 system fails.
Heinrich

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:28:03 +0200, Alexander Thurgood 
alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:


Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :


Hi Andreas,


As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.



It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. It is
shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it in their
extensions build setup. Why, well firstly because no one gives a damn,
and second, to build the connector you have to rely on the mysql C
connector library (even if you use mysql C++ library) and that library
is GPL2, which means that the connector that links to it has to be
released under the GPL (this is in fact what Sun did with the native
connector extension). The LibO project releases under the LGPL/MPL and
not the GPL.

At the moment, the OOo mysql native connector is available for download
from here :

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/mysql_connector

My advice, get it while you can and keep a copy near to hand.

How long that will remain the case now that this site is to integrated
into the ApacheOOo project remains to be seen, because Apache can not
accept GPLed code into its projects.

I have built the native connector for MacOSX and put it on the
LibreOffice extensions site, but as far as I know, no one has built it
for Windows or Linux (on Linux the question is mostly irrelevant because
the distribs provide it in most cases, however, that does mean you are
tied to the distrib version of LibreOffice).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-18 Thread planas
Brian

On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:17 +0100, Brian Barker wrote: 

 On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 08:30 -0400, David B Teague sr wrote:
 The fact that 20% of the features of MS Office (and by implication, 
 LO and OO.o) used almost exclusively by some 80% of the users 
 suggests to me that OO.o should identify that 20% of features and 
 modularize OO.o or LO or what have you to include that 20% and make 
 the other 80% of the features available as extensions.
 
 One thing to remember is that in institutions, it will not be the 
 user's job to install or upgrade software.  Users should not be 
 running as root/administrator and will not have access to any 
 installation media.  The efficient way to install software in such 
 scenarios is to install everything and to provide hardware capable of 
 operating it satisfactorily.  There would be no advantage - indeed, 
 considerable disadvantage - if IT departments had to hunt down a set 
 of extensions to make up the package they needed.  It would be 
 another obstacle to change.
 

Good point, there is a big difference between, home, home office, and
small business users and large institutional or corporation users. Often
the former are owner/operators and can tailor the installation, while
the latter often have limited authority to modify their installation. 

 Brian Barker
 
 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It might be a good idea to plan a move from MySql to MariaDb.  MariaDb is a 
drop-in replacement for MySql.  MariaDb is much faster at developing and 
bug-fixing so a bug-report to them might get a faster response and they might 
well be happy to work on a project such as the extension/add-on.  It's almost 
all the MySql people except the ones paid by Oracle.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sun, 18/9/11, Andreas Säger saege...@t-online.de wrote:

From: Andreas Säger saege...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 15:54

Am 18.09.2011 16:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :


 Hi Andreas,

 As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
 Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.


 It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. It is
 shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it in their
 extensions build setup.

Thank you,
Now I see that we first choose MySQL and then we are prompted for ODBC 
or JDBC. I was under the impression that MySQL refers to the built-in 
driver.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread upscope
On Sunday, September 18, 2011 07:48:09 PM Tom Davies 
wrote:
 Hi :)
 It might be a good idea to plan a move from MySql to 
MariaDb.  MariaDb is a
 drop-in replacement for MySql.  MariaDb is much faster at 
developing and
 bug-fixing so a bug-report to them might get a faster 
response and they
 might well be happy to work on a project such as the 
extension/add-on. 
 It's almost all the MySql people except the ones paid by 
Oracle.  Regards
 from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Andreas Säger saegerei@t-
online.de wrote:
 
 From: Andreas Säger saege...@t-online.de
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 15:54
 
 Am 18.09.2011 16:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
  Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :
  
  
  Hi Andreas,
  
  As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
  Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.
  
  It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. 
It is
  shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it 
in their
  extensions build setup.
 
 Thank you,
 Now I see that we first choose MySQL and then we are 
prompted for ODBC
 or JDBC. I was under the impression that MySQL refers to 
the built-in
 driver.
Do you know if this will work in parallel with MySQl until 
things can be migrated? Also so phpMyAdmin or something 
simular work with it?

Thats

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MariaDb / MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I don't think it's urgent but it is worth researching
http://mariadb.org/
I am not sure if you can have both on the same system at the same time.  It 
might be worth setting up a virtual machine and testing it that way if 
possible.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Sun, 18/9/11, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:

From: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 20:16

On Sunday, September 18, 2011 07:48:09 PM Tom Davies 
wrote:
 Hi :)
 It might be a good idea to plan a move from MySql to 
MariaDb.  MariaDb is a
 drop-in replacement for MySql.  MariaDb is much faster at 
developing and
 bug-fixing so a bug-report to them might get a faster 
response and they
 might well be happy to work on a project such as the 
extension/add-on. 
 It's almost all the MySql people except the ones paid by 
Oracle.  Regards
 from
 Tom :)
 
 
 --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Andreas Säger saegerei@t-
online.de wrote:
 
 From: Andreas Säger saege...@t-online.de
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 15:54
 
 Am 18.09.2011 16:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
  Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :
  
  
  Hi Andreas,
  
  As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
  Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.
  
  It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. 
It is
  shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it 
in their
  extensions build setup.
 
 Thank you,
 Now I see that we first choose MySQL and then we are 
prompted for ODBC
 or JDBC. I was under the impression that MySQL refers to 
the built-in
 driver.
Do you know if this will work in parallel with MySQl until 
things can be migrated? Also so phpMyAdmin or something 
similar work with it?

Thats

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital Signature cannot validate (linux)

2011-09-18 Thread Ferry Toth
Yeah, it is quite possible to blame the Ubuntu Natty build.

But the problem occurs just since my most recent Firefox update. So it
would be nice to see if somebody can reproduce this before I file a bug.

I'm looking into your links now.

Ferry

Op maandag 12-09-2011 om 11:30 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef NoOp:

 On 09/12/2011 07:04 AM, Ferry Toth wrote:
  I think you missed the following points in my story:
  - the CA certificate is generated internally. This means we are CA for
  our own certificates. They are not blacklisted by FF.
  - to be validated we manually add the CA certificate ourselves to FF and
  windows certificate store).
  - FF shows the certificates are valid (linux) and so does IE (windows).
  The certificates are NOT blocked.
  - LO under ubuntu shows the user certificate is invalid because the CA
  is not in the path (this is new)
  - LO under windows works fine (yes with the security update installed
  that removes diginotar)
 
 I suggest you file a bug report on launchpad against Ubuntu's LO (ULO)
 version:
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice
 
 You might also install standard LO (you can do this without affecting
 ULO) and test to see if that is broken also. If so then you can file a
 bug report on bugzilla:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
 
 Perhaps you are experiencing this bug:
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39825
 [Does not find Firefox profile for digital certificate signing]
 
 The recent certificate bugs/updates are:
  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-3
   http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-1
   https://launchpad.net/bugs/838322
 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-4
   http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-1
   http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-3,
 https://launchpad.net/bugs/837557
 
 So it's quite possible that one (any) of those may have also cause
 breakage in ULO.
 
  
  Op maandag 12-09-2011 om 13:07 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Dave
  Sergeant:
  On 12 Sep 2011 at 10:52, Ferry Toth wrote:
  
   Since years we use digital signatures to sign our documents and protect
   them from inadvertent modifications.
   
   The CA certificate is one generated internally.
   
   Now on linux (ubuntu natty) the certificates are stored by firefox and
   since a recent upgrade to firefox 6.0.2  LO complains that the
   certificate cannot be validated. This happen even right after adding the
   signature.
   
   Apparently the root certificate cannot be found by LO.
   
   However, in firefox both personal and CA certificate validate fine.
   
   Switching to windows LO does validate the certificate fine (but there
   the certificates are stored elsewhere).
   
   It look like something changed in FF that broke the digital signing in
   LO. Or is it a configuration issue on my side?
   
  
  This one is easy to answer. Due to an issue with fraudulent 
  certificates from the Dutch company Diginotar, Firefox has removed the 
  Diginotar root certificate from its certificate store. Other browsers 
  have acted similarly, ie there was a Windows update to achieve the same 
  on IE. Since you are based in the Netherlands I guess your documents 
  are validated against Diginotar certificates. See 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar
  
  For many of us not in your country we have never encountered a 
  Diginotar certificate and it was not even in my certificate store in 
  Opera.
  
  Not sure what the answer is, but this seems to be a case of unexpected 
  consequences of a fairy radical update to Firefox. Your internal 
  certificates are clearly properly issued, and to block them because of 
  a few fraudulent ones you are only going to encounter on dodgey sites 
  seems a bit OTT.
  
  Dave
  
  
  http://www.davesergeant.com
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital Signature cannot validate (linux)

2011-09-18 Thread Ferry Toth
Checking the links below I find:
- they are all connected with the diginotar CA and have nothing to do
with my issue

- except https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39825

However here it is described the dialog box comes up empty. This is not
so in my case. I sign the document as always. Then when I check the
signature it shows it can't validate (apparently because it can not find
the root CA).

I'm wandering if all types of certificates fail to validate or only the
ones where the CA is on the 'software security device' (as opposed to
the 'built-in object token') in Firefox.

Ferry

Op zondag 18-09-2011 om 22:32 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Ferry Toth:

 Yeah, it is quite possible to blame the Ubuntu Natty build.
 
 But the problem occurs just since my most recent Firefox update. So it
 would be nice to see if somebody can reproduce this before I file a bug.
 
 I'm looking into your links now.
 
 Ferry
 
 Op maandag 12-09-2011 om 11:30 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef NoOp:
 
  On 09/12/2011 07:04 AM, Ferry Toth wrote:
   I think you missed the following points in my story:
   - the CA certificate is generated internally. This means we are CA for
   our own certificates. They are not blacklisted by FF.
   - to be validated we manually add the CA certificate ourselves to FF and
   windows certificate store).
   - FF shows the certificates are valid (linux) and so does IE (windows).
   The certificates are NOT blocked.
   - LO under ubuntu shows the user certificate is invalid because the CA
   is not in the path (this is new)
   - LO under windows works fine (yes with the security update installed
   that removes diginotar)
  
  I suggest you file a bug report on launchpad against Ubuntu's LO (ULO)
  version:
  
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice
  
  You might also install standard LO (you can do this without affecting
  ULO) and test to see if that is broken also. If so then you can file a
  bug report on bugzilla:
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
  
  Perhaps you are experiencing this bug:
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39825
  [Does not find Firefox profile for digital certificate signing]
  
  The recent certificate bugs/updates are:
   http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-3
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-1
https://launchpad.net/bugs/838322
  http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-4
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-1
http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1197-3,
  https://launchpad.net/bugs/837557
  
  So it's quite possible that one (any) of those may have also cause
  breakage in ULO.
  
   
   Op maandag 12-09-2011 om 13:07 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Dave
   Sergeant:
   On 12 Sep 2011 at 10:52, Ferry Toth wrote:
   
Since years we use digital signatures to sign our documents and protect
them from inadvertent modifications.

The CA certificate is one generated internally.

Now on linux (ubuntu natty) the certificates are stored by firefox and
since a recent upgrade to firefox 6.0.2  LO complains that the
certificate cannot be validated. This happen even right after adding 
the
signature.

Apparently the root certificate cannot be found by LO.

However, in firefox both personal and CA certificate validate fine.

Switching to windows LO does validate the certificate fine (but there
the certificates are stored elsewhere).

It look like something changed in FF that broke the digital signing in
LO. Or is it a configuration issue on my side?

   
   This one is easy to answer. Due to an issue with fraudulent 
   certificates from the Dutch company Diginotar, Firefox has removed the 
   Diginotar root certificate from its certificate store. Other browsers 
   have acted similarly, ie there was a Windows update to achieve the same 
   on IE. Since you are based in the Netherlands I guess your documents 
   are validated against Diginotar certificates. See 
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiNotar
   
   For many of us not in your country we have never encountered a 
   Diginotar certificate and it was not even in my certificate store in 
   Opera.
   
   Not sure what the answer is, but this seems to be a case of unexpected 
   consequences of a fairy radical update to Firefox. Your internal 
   certificates are clearly properly issued, and to block them because of 
   a few fraudulent ones you are only going to encounter on dodgey sites 
   seems a bit OTT.
   
   Dave
   
   
   http://www.davesergeant.com
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
  
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MariaDb / MySQL Native Connector

2011-09-18 Thread planas
Hi

On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 21:19 +0100, Tom Davies wrote: 

 Hi :)
 I don't think it's urgent but it is worth researching
 http://mariadb.org/
 I am not sure if you can have both on the same system at the same time.  It 
 might be worth setting up a virtual machine and testing it that way if 
 possible.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)

I believe you can only have one MySQL/Mariadb installation. 

 
 --- On Sun, 18/9/11, upscope upsc...@nwi.net wrote:
 
 From: upscope upsc...@nwi.net
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 20:16
 
 On Sunday, September 18, 2011 07:48:09 PM Tom Davies 
 wrote:
  Hi :)
  It might be a good idea to plan a move from MySql to 
 MariaDb.  MariaDb is a
  drop-in replacement for MySql.  MariaDb is much faster at 
 developing and
  bug-fixing so a bug-report to them might get a faster 
 response and they
  might well be happy to work on a project such as the 
 extension/add-on. 
  It's almost all the MySql people except the ones paid by 
 Oracle.  Regards
  from
  Tom :)
  
  
  --- On Sun, 18/9/11, Andreas Säger saegerei@t-
 online.de wrote:
  
  From: Andreas Säger saege...@t-online.de
  Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: MySQL Native Connector
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Date: Sunday, 18 September, 2011, 15:54
  
  Am 18.09.2011 16:28, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
   Le 17/09/11 21:43, Andreas Säger a écrit :
   
   
   Hi Andreas,
   
   As far as I know, it is shipped with LibreOffice.
   Choose database type MySQL instead of JDBC or ODBC.
   
   It is neither built nor shipped by the LibreOffice project. 
 It is
   shipped with various Linux distributions, who include it 
 in their
   extensions build setup.
  
  Thank you,
  Now I see that we first choose MySQL and then we are 
 prompted for ODBC
  or JDBC. I was under the impression that MySQL refers to 
 the built-in
  driver.

There is a third MySQL connection available in Linux that works very
well. However if the distro supports 3.3.x like Ubuntu it can be
difficult to install and get working with 3.4.x 

 Do you know if this will work in parallel with MySQl until 
 things can be migrated? Also so phpMyAdmin or something 
 similar work with it?
 

I know MySQL Workbench works with Mariadb in Linux. In Windows, Mariadb
installs another GUI, Heidi I believe. My understanding is if something
works with MySQL it will work with Mariadb. Mariadb uses the some names
for the files as does MySQL so you can use the MySQL documentation. 

 Thats
 
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