[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Congratulations to all. I believe that a solid open file format is extremely important. Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Dennis, one curiosity since you were one of the editors: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use? Scribus? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384633.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Hi :) Good work there :) Thanks for clarifying a few things for us there. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 1/10/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved To: disc...@documentfoundation.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 1 October, 2011, 2:17 The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2115. Rob Weir has a nice summary on his blog, http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/09/odf12-approved.html. He lists the names of the contributors of 1.2 from the specification. Some of those names will be familiar here. - Dennis -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Hi :) All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too. I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010. I think Google-docs, KOffice, Calligra, AbiWord Gnumeric (together those 2 form Gnome Office) and the IBM's Lotus Symphony (or whatever it's called) all have been using 1.2 for a few years. In LibreOffice you can confirm by clicking on Tools - Options - + Load/Save - General about half-way down there is a drop-down showing 1.2 (Extended). I usually change this to the older 1.0/1.1 in order to be able to send stuff to MS Office users more easily. If you do have an older program then install any version of LibreOffice instead! ;) Lol Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 1/10/11, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 1 October, 2011, 10:39 Congratulations to all. I believe that a solid open file format is extremely important. Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Dennis, one curiosity since you were one of the editors: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use? Scribus? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384633.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] ODF backend for AsciiDoc
Hi, This is the first public announcement of a new project I started to create an ODF backend for AsciiDoc. For those who don't know AsciiDoc, AsciiDoc is a lightweight markup language that is designed to map to DocBook semantics, and as such, ideal for creating consistent documentation, articles and O'Reilly books ;-) http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc Being able to convert from AsciiDoc to ODF (onto other formats through LibreOffice) is something that always appealed to me, and lead me to create unoconv for non-interactive conversions, and get involved with docbook2odf. However XSLT is not something I can introduce with great confidence at companies as part of a technical documentation workflow and docbook2odf was not the easiest to maintain. The ultimate goal is for people to write basic documents in AsciiDoc, convert them to ODF, PDF or Word documents while applying a style in the process, without having to launch LibreOffice. However LibreOffice could be used to visually fine-tune the styling and using it in future conversions in order to give your documents a common identity (aka. corporate identity). Result: no more messing around with XSLT or XSL-FO, and much more options wrt. styling. The ODF backend for AsciiDoc is located at: https://github.com/dagwieers/asciidoc-odf and feedback, pull-requests or ideas are very welcome. PS I am going to give a presentation about unoconv at the LibreOffice conference in Paris on friday 14/10 afternoon. I would like to also discuss this project at the conference, but likely one presentation slot will not be sufficient to discuss both unoconv and asciidoc-odf, so if you are attending the conference and interested to discuss both projects we can meet after the unoconv presentation. PS I have noticed a few strange behaviours related to LibreOffice that I do not understand and like to share with this list in the meantime. Kind regards, -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Tom Davies wrote: All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too. I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010. I think Google-docs, KOffice, Calligra, AbiWord Gnumeric (together those 2 form Gnome Office) and the IBM's Lotus Symphony (or whatever it's called) all have been using 1.2 for a few years. In LibreOffice you can confirm by clicking on Tools - Options - + Load/Save - General about half-way down there is a drop-down showing 1.2 (Extended). I usually change this to the older 1.0/1.1 in order to be able to send stuff to MS Office users more easily. If you do have an older program then install any version of LibreOffice instead! ;) Lol Thanks for making this clear to an ODF novice like me :) I was wondering what standard I would use for my project and settled for ODF v1.1 (given that nearly everywhere, OASIS website and Wikipedia) refered to v1.2 as a draft. Is there an overview of the changes to the standard between v1.1 and v1.2 ? It might be possible to have both an odt11 and odt12 backend with odt12 inheriting the bulk of odt11 and implementing just the differences. Thanks in advance, -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote (01-10-11 03:17) The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard,http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. Thanks for and congratulations with this good news! -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Pedro wrote (01-10-11 11:39) Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Yes. Of course, some content (from the new standard) may be wrong. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Cor Nouws wrote: Pedro wrote (01-10-11 11:39) Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Yes. Of course, some content (from the new standard) may be wrong. Excellent! More Kudos to all that were involved! Now the next task is to convince Microsoft to use ODF 1.2 as an import/export option :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384948.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
On 10/01/2011 02:39 AM, Pedro wrote: Congratulations to all. I believe that a solid open file format is extremely important. Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Dennis, one curiosity since you were one of the editors: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use? Scribus? ... From the pdf file properties I've looked at, it looks like a mix between StarOffice 9, OpenOffice.org 3.2/3.3. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: ODF backend for AsciiDoc
On 10/01/2011 04:56 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: Hi, This is the first public announcement of a new project I started to create an ODF backend for AsciiDoc. For those who don't know AsciiDoc, AsciiDoc is a lightweight markup language that is designed to map to DocBook semantics, and as such, ideal for creating consistent documentation, articles and O'Reilly books ;-) http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc Being able to convert from AsciiDoc to ODF (onto other formats through LibreOffice) is something that always appealed to me, and lead me to create unoconv for non-interactive conversions, and get involved with docbook2odf. However XSLT is not something I can introduce with great confidence at companies as part of a technical documentation workflow and docbook2odf was not the easiest to maintain. The ultimate goal is for people to write basic documents in AsciiDoc, convert them to ODF, PDF or Word documents while applying a style in the process, without having to launch LibreOffice. However LibreOffice could be used to visually fine-tune the styling and using it in future conversions in order to give your documents a common identity (aka. corporate identity). Result: no more messing around with XSLT or XSL-FO, and much more options wrt. styling. The ODF backend for AsciiDoc is located at: https://github.com/dagwieers/asciidoc-odf and feedback, pull-requests or ideas are very welcome. ... Thanks Dag! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Well, many products have been producing documents identified as ODF 1.2 for some time. There are changes that came in during 2010 that, as far as I can tell, are not consistently handled yet. And the OpenFormula specification, a major part of ODF 1.2, will take some time to be fully implemented. (My eye is on Gnumeric for moving the goal posts on that one.) There will doubtless be far more attention to ODF 1.2 conformance and interoperability, in detail, now that ODF 1.2 is considered stable and especially as it works its way toward ratification as an ISO/IEC International Standard next year. Some regrettable small things in ODF 1.2 are also showing up and I look forward to plugfests and the work of the ODF Interoperability and Conformance TC to help sort those out and find workarounds until there can be ODF 1.2 Errata or remedy in ODF 1.3. There is no official ODF 1.2 (extended) only ODF 1.2 if interoperability is desired. (extended) is a private matter and it might not be the same between products and even different releases of the same product. Whatever (extended) means, it depends on the individual-product implementers to say. I agree that, in terms of current releases that might have more attention to ODF 1.2 provisions, LibreOffice is a good choice, depending on what additional ODF 1.2 support is important and being provided. I don't think that is a determining factor in much I've seen so far, though. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 04:56 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Hi :) All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too. I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010. I think Google-docs, KOffice, Calligra, AbiWord Gnumeric (together those 2 form Gnome Office) and the IBM's Lotus Symphony (or whatever it's called) all have been using 1.2 for a few years. In LibreOffice you can confirm by clicking on Tools - Options - + Load/Save - General about half-way down there is a drop-down showing 1.2 (Extended). I usually change this to the older 1.0/1.1 in order to be able to send stuff to MS Office users more easily. If you do have an older program then install any version of LibreOffice instead! ;) Lol Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 1/10/11, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 1 October, 2011, 10:39 Congratulations to all. I believe that a solid open file format is extremely important. Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Dennis, one curiosity since you were one of the editors: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use? Scribus? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384633.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Whether a down-level software version will even accept an ODF 1.2 document as if it is a down-level document and do the best it can is not something the ODF specifications address. It depends on the down-level product. It probably works with OpenOffice.org versions, but maybe not with other lineages. For example, the Microsoft Office ODF 1.1 support tends to be strict and will consider some ODF 1.2 documents as possibly-corrupted, although when asked to attempt to correct the document, it succeeds. There are some uses of new features (such as digital signatures) that fail in amazing ways between implementations, even when they are all identified as 1.2 products. In these edge situations, usually the only assured-to-be-successful consumer is a version of the same product that produced the document. There is work to do in that area. It may take a year or two for ODF 1.2 support to settle down and the level of interoperability to be raised across the board. -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 05:16 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Tom wrote: If you do have an older program then install any version of LibreOffice instead! ;) Lol Hi Tom ;) That was exactly my point. I hope that is not necessary. If I'm sending a document to someone with an old machine running OpenOffice 1.0 (or whatever worked with ODF 1.0) I hope that I can send him an ODF 1.2 file and he still will be able to open it (even if he looses some format) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384834.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Q: Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? A: It depends. There are provisions in ODF 1.2 that, if exercised in an ODF 1.2, make it unlikely that an ODF 1.1 consumer could handle it properly. Also, the document will be identified as an ODF 1.2 document and possibly in unexpected places that might interfere with an ODF 1.1 consumer. More A: In general, documents identified as 1.2 often have nothing that requires an ODF 1.2 consumer and they will be successfully handled. There is no downward compatibility promise in 1.2 and there is no special provision, as some standards have, to help a down-level consumer detect and work around up-level features it was not designed for. Q: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use A: All of the document production was in ODF. The editable forms of the documents are ODT files, and these are provided as the authoritative versions of the specification, along with PDF and HTML versions that are not authoritative. Since most of the work was completed by the end of 2010, OpenOffice.org versions were used. Also, some special XSLT scripts were used to create some of the content, such as cross-references and statement of XML dependencies that are derived by consultation of the schema. More A: I am currently working on an Errata for ODF 1.1 and that work is being done in LO 3.3.2, including a change-tracked version of the ODF 1.1 specification that shows the Errata applied. (I won't change LO versions until the document is completed.) Also, an Amendment for the ISO version of ODF 1.0 was produced in ODF, although the documents circulated for approval at ISO are PDFs. At this time, I do any creation of ODF documents for production purposes using LibreOffice. (By the way, I am an editor on Part 3 only, the smallest part of the specification.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 02:40 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Congratulations to all. I believe that a solid open file format is extremely important. Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Dennis, one curiosity since you were one of the editors: I assume you didn't use LO Writer to compose the 1217 page document. Which program did you use? Scribus? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384633.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Is there an overview of the changes to the standard between v1.1 and v1.2 ? It might be possible to have both an odt11 and odt12 backend with odt12 inheriting the bulk of odt11 and implementing just the differences. There are some Appendices in Part 1 and Part 3 that describe changes since previous versions. I don't know that they are complete and I don't know if they indicate what might be breaking changes. For AsciiDoc and any emitter, it would be great if the software indicated the smallest version of ODF that was actually required to correctly consume a document. I know that is hard. One way to soften the blow is to not use a different ODF 1.2 provision when only the ODF 1.1 form is needed to accomplish a feature. In many cases, ODF 1.2 defaults are the same as the only ODF 1.1 capability, and it is ODF 1.2-unique ways of only getting that default behavior that will make an unnecessary incompatibility in a document. - Dennis OT: Dag, have you looked at DITA, which also is apparently doing multiple-targeting? -Original Message- From: Dag Wieers [mailto:d...@wieers.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 05:05 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved On Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Tom Davies wrote: All releases of LibreOffice have used the 1.2 (Extended) by default. I think OpenOffice was using it for quite a long time before that too. I think the only program that still uses the older 1.1 or 1.0 formats is MS Office 2010. I think Google-docs, KOffice, Calligra, AbiWord Gnumeric (together those 2 form Gnome Office) and the IBM's Lotus Symphony (or whatever it's called) all have been using 1.2 for a few years. In LibreOffice you can confirm by clicking on Tools - Options - + Load/Save - General about half-way down there is a drop-down showing 1.2 (Extended). I usually change this to the older 1.0/1.1 in order to be able to send stuff to MS Office users more easily. If you do have an older program then install any version of LibreOffice instead! ;) Lol Thanks for making this clear to an ODF novice like me :) I was wondering what standard I would use for my project and settled for ODF v1.1 (given that nearly everywhere, OASIS website and Wikipedia) refered to v1.2 as a draft. Is there an overview of the changes to the standard between v1.1 and v1.2 ? It might be possible to have both an odt11 and odt12 backend with odt12 inheriting the bulk of odt11 and implementing just the differences. Thanks in advance, -- -- dag wieers, d...@wieers.com, http://dag.wieers.com/ -- dagit linux solutions, i...@dagit.net, http://dagit.net/ [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
A while back, Microsoft offered a warranty with regard to ODF 1.2 support. I believe it is contingent on ISO standardization occurring. There is also an announcement that Microsoft would provide information on its ODF 1.2 support on the occasion of a Plugfest in Brussels this coming April. That's the extent of the details I've seen. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 06:34 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Cor Nouws wrote: Pedro wrote (01-10-11 11:39) Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Yes. Of course, some content (from the new standard) may be wrong. Excellent! More Kudos to all that were involved! Now the next task is to convince Microsoft to use ODF 1.2 as an import/export option :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384948.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Dennis, thank you for all the answers. Sincerely, I'm surprised that you used Writer to edit a 1200 pages document. I had to submit a 51 page report in Word and it was an absolute nightmare... (BTW opening the same document in LO 3.4.3 shows how far cross-compatibility still is :) ) Since ODF 1.2 documents will possibly cause problems with older software, wouldn't it make more sense to have the option to Save As ODF 1.0 ODF 1.1 or ODF 1.2 (in the same way that you can Save As Word 6.0 Word 95, etc) ??? I think this would be a lot more obvious than the current (almost hidden) option to define which ODF format LO saves to... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3385507.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Pedro. I agree that it would be more useful to have the choice of ODF version be available in the Save As ... dialog. There could still be a default, of course, and there are nice ways to reflect that in the Save As ... also. That is not about the ODF specification of course. It sounds like a great LibreOffice feature request and an opportunity to file a bug report. Will you be doing that? Regards, - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:57 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Dennis, thank you for all the answers. Sincerely, I'm surprised that you used Writer to edit a 1200 pages document. I had to submit a 51 page report in Word and it was an absolute nightmare... (BTW opening the same document in LO 3.4.3 shows how far cross-compatibility still is :) ) Since ODF 1.2 documents will possibly cause problems with older software, wouldn't it make more sense to have the option to Save As ODF 1.0 ODF 1.1 or ODF 1.2 (in the same way that you can Save As Word 6.0 Word 95, etc) ??? I think this would be a lot more obvious than the current (almost hidden) option to define which ODF format LO saves to... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3385507.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO Writer 3.4.3 resizing jpg files and automatically adding a border
I have a .doc file that I am editing using both MS Word 2007 and LO Writer 3.4.3. Why? - because LO does not handle Section breaks and a few other things the same way MS Word does. Anyhow My problem is, after doing what needs to be done in MS Word, and then saving the file and opening it using LO Writer, for some unknown reason - Writer is automatically resizing the pictures (jpg files) in the document - reducing their size, and is also adding a border around them. I have tried changing file format - saving the file in MS Word using the odt format - and this did not resolve the problem. Any ideas? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] copy and paste zotero citations within writer document
I'm using LibreOffice 3.4.3 with Zotero 2.1.10, Zotero OpenOffice.org Integration 3.5b1 extension and FireFox 7.0.1 on Kubuntu 11.04. If I copy text containing citations and paste it within an existing document, the fields are lost so the citations just become plain text. Then if I change the citation style, citations in the pasted text are not updated. So, after pasting I have to go re-insert every citation in the pasted text. If I cut and paste, citations are preserved as fields. According to the Zotero Forums, http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/5524/cut-and-paste-work-but-copy-and-paste-doesnt, the issue is with the way OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice handles fields and there is nothing Zotero can do about it. The only work around is to save the document in word format and use word bookmarks instead of LibreOffice ReferenceMarks. Is there any setting in LibreOffice that will take care of this? Jason === -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Here's a post from a Microsoft participant on the ODF 1.2 announcement: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dmahugh/archive/2011/10/01/oasis-odf-1-2-approved.aspx. There's nothing about releases and support of ODF versions though. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:36 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved A while back, Microsoft offered a warranty with regard to ODF 1.2 support. I believe it is contingent on ISO standardization occurring. There is also an announcement that Microsoft would provide information on its ODF 1.2 support on the occasion of a Plugfest in Brussels this coming April. That's the extent of the details I've seen. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 06:34 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved Cor Nouws wrote: Pedro wrote (01-10-11 11:39) Am I correct to assume that ODF 1.2 is backward compatible? I.e. an old application will still be able to open a ODF 1.2 document? Yes. Of course, some content (from the new standard) may be wrong. Excellent! More Kudos to all that were involved! Now the next task is to convince Microsoft to use ODF 1.2 as an import/export option :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/OASIS-Standard-ODF-1-2-Approved-tp3384139p3384948.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re:
On 10/01/2011 11:49 AM, Rich Johnson wrote: ...I have just found a new interesting website! snipped spam url Reported as spam on gmane.org. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice auto resizing jpg files and adding borders
I have a .doc file that I am editing using both MS Word 2007 and LO Writer 3.4.3. Why? - because LO does not handle Section breaks and a few other things the same way MS Word does. Anyhow My problem is, after doing what needs to be done in MS Word, and then saving the file and opening it using LO Writer, for some unknown reason - Writer is automatically resizing the pictures (jpg files) in the document - reducing their size, and is also adding a border around them. I have tried changing file format - saving the file in MS Word using the odt format - and this did not resolve the problem. Any ideas? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved
Hi Deni Le 2011-09-30 21:17, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard,http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tc-announce/201109/msg00010.html. The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is athttp://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2115. Rob Weir has a nice summary on his blog,http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/09/odf12-approved.html. He lists the names of the contributors of 1.2 from the specification. Some of those names will be familiar here. - Dennis Congrats to the team, great news! I was wondering if we were already compliant with ODF1.2? If so we should market this along with LibreOffice -- backwards compatibility being fully supported of course. Cheers, Marc -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] copy and paste zotero citations within writer document
Jason On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 15:51 -0500, Jason Paul Joines wrote: I'm using LibreOffice 3.4.3 with Zotero 2.1.10, Zotero OpenOffice.org Integration 3.5b1 extension and FireFox 7.0.1 on Kubuntu 11.04. If I copy text containing citations and paste it within an existing document, the fields are lost so the citations just become plain text. Then if I change the citation style, citations in the pasted text are not updated. So, after pasting I have to go re-insert every citation in the pasted text. If I cut and paste, citations are preserved as fields. According to the Zotero Forums, http://forums.zotero.org/discussion/5524/cut-and-paste-work-but-copy-and-paste-doesnt, the issue is with the way OpenOffice.org / LibreOffice handles fields and there is nothing Zotero can do about it. The only work around is to save the document in word format and use word bookmarks instead of LibreOffice ReferenceMarks. Is there any setting in LibreOffice that will take care of this? Does paste special have any effect? Jason === -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice auto resizing jpg files and adding borders
On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 19:08 -0400, Jonathon Waterman wrote: I have a .doc file that I am editing using both MS Word 2007 and LO Writer 3.4.3. Why? - because LO does not handle Section breaks and a few other things the same way MS Word does. Anyhow My problem is, after doing what needs to be done in MS Word, and then saving the file and opening it using LO Writer, for some unknown reason - Writer is automatically resizing the pictures (jpg files) in the document - reducing their size, and is also adding a border around them. I have tried changing file format - saving the file in MS Word using the odt format - and this did not resolve the problem. Any ideas? I tried a quick and dirty experiment of importing a picture (png) into Writer. I did not have any border and filled the full width of the page. I verified the border settings by checking the picture properties by left clicking and opening Picture... Looking through the options, I wonder if the picture anchoring setting in Word is different than Writer. The default in Writer is anchor to paragraph. Another option is whether in Word the default setting is to keep the height and width ratio when inserting, was not set as a default for my picture. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: ODF backend for AsciiDoc
Dag, On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 10:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 10/01/2011 04:56 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: Hi, This is the first public announcement of a new project I started to create an ODF backend for AsciiDoc. For those who don't know AsciiDoc, AsciiDoc is a lightweight markup language that is designed to map to DocBook semantics, and as such, ideal for creating consistent documentation, articles and O'Reilly books ;-) http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc Being able to convert from AsciiDoc to ODF (onto other formats through LibreOffice) is something that always appealed to me, and lead me to create unoconv for non-interactive conversions, and get involved with docbook2odf. However XSLT is not something I can introduce with great confidence at companies as part of a technical documentation workflow and docbook2odf was not the easiest to maintain. The ultimate goal is for people to write basic documents in AsciiDoc, convert them to ODF, PDF or Word documents while applying a style in the process, without having to launch LibreOffice. However LibreOffice could be used to visually fine-tune the styling and using it in future conversions in order to give your documents a common identity (aka. corporate identity). Result: no more messing around with XSLT or XSL-FO, and much more options wrt. styling. The ODF backend for AsciiDoc is located at: https://github.com/dagwieers/asciidoc-odf and feedback, pull-requests or ideas are very welcome. ... Thanks Dag! +1, Asciidocs is in the Ubuntu repository. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: ODF backend for AsciiDoc
dag, best of luck for your efforts On 2 October 2011 08:12, planas jsloz...@gmail.com wrote: Dag, On Sat, 2011-10-01 at 10:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 10/01/2011 04:56 AM, Dag Wieers wrote: Hi, This is the first public announcement of a new project I started to create an ODF backend for AsciiDoc. For those who don't know AsciiDoc, AsciiDoc is a lightweight markup language that is designed to map to DocBook semantics, and as such, ideal for creating consistent documentation, articles and O'Reilly books ;-) http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc Being able to convert from AsciiDoc to ODF (onto other formats through LibreOffice) is something that always appealed to me, and lead me to create unoconv for non-interactive conversions, and get involved with docbook2odf. However XSLT is not something I can introduce with great confidence at companies as part of a technical documentation workflow and docbook2odf was not the easiest to maintain. The ultimate goal is for people to write basic documents in AsciiDoc, convert them to ODF, PDF or Word documents while applying a style in the process, without having to launch LibreOffice. However LibreOffice could be used to visually fine-tune the styling and using it in future conversions in order to give your documents a common identity (aka. corporate identity). Result: no more messing around with XSLT or XSL-FO, and much more options wrt. styling. The ODF backend for AsciiDoc is located at: https://github.com/dagwieers/asciidoc-odf and feedback, pull-requests or ideas are very welcome. ... Thanks Dag! +1, Asciidocs is in the Ubuntu repository. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Dr soumalya ray http://drsoumalya.blogspot.com drsouma...@gmail.com MBBS,MD(PGT-C.Medicine),Ex-HousePhysician(Medicine) Skype: som3776 | Twitter: @docbkp http://twitter.com/docbkp -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Impress PowerPoint
All, Has anyone been able to get PowerPoint´s to display correctly in LibreOffice Impress? I am having a lot of trouble with .ppt and .pptx presentations, as they simply do not display well in LibreOffice. The background, the text, the formatting, is all messed up and distorted. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Here are the details of my environment: Ubuntu Linux 11.04, 64bit LibreOffice 3.4.3, OOO340m1 (Build: 302) Cheers, Jack -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
