Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
On 17.10.2012 12:38, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/16/2012 09:12 PM, rost52 wrote: I attended last week a seminar on the the legal situation with social networks. The presenting US lawyer mentioned that even in the US asking for FB passwords is illegal. On 16.10.2012 22:59, Jay Lozier wrote: Anyone asking for my Facebook password in a job interview is out of luck; I do not know it because I use a password manager and each password I use is generated per account It has not stopped people from asking in a job interview. In most US states it is no explicitly illegal nor is it explicitly illegal in US Federal law. A couple of counter arguments would be: Do you really want me to violate my contract with Facebook?, or Do you realize you are asking me to violate one the most basic tenets of computer security; never reveal your log in credentials to anyone? The first implies that they will ask you to potentially violate a contract or, worse, the law. The second implies they are stupid and are very cavalier about protecting corporate assets. Under US labor law asking the question potentially allows the employer to find out information that they can not legally ask in an interview. This is the primary legal challenge to the question that is an implicit illegal question by the employer. I can truthfully say I do not know my Facebook or virtually any other password because I use a password manager to generate and store them. And I am not in the habit of carrying the file and the manager around on a USB stick. Great ways out of troubles! Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO?
I meant xls files in MS EXCEL 2003 when I wrote about the short times needed to open them. I protected them against opening. I never tested a LO file so far - hope I never have to!!! Here are some links I checked, however I don't recall what was the result for each link. Most of the links I deleted. I just searched for password remove excel http://www.password-changer.com/ http://www.lostpassword.com/windows.htm http://www.unprotect-excel.com/ http://www.passwordlastic.com/excel-password-recovery-lastic http://www.petri.co.il/excel-password-recovery.htm http://www.freewordexcelpassword.com/ http://www.straxx.com/free-excel-password-remover-2012/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lycQn5a3bPo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-LfgDwh8I On 17.10.2012 13:05, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: If you're talking about files with protections, minutes is on the long side. It is trivial to remove protections. If you're talking about Libre Office files created by Save As ... | Save with Password options, I would like to know who is claiming they can do that in any reasonable time. There are some older forms of Microsoft Word save with password that are easy to crack. Not newer ones though. Although I have concerns about the quality of the encryption used in ODF documents (what Save As ... | Save with Password uses), I don't think you're going to find any commodity software that is able to crack those in any feasible time period. If there is, that needs to be widely known. Care to share any links? - Dennis -Original Message- From: rost52 [mailto:bugquestcon...@online.de] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 19:07 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to crack a PW in LO? Dennis, When I am reading your long and excellent explanation, I wonder again how some PW removing tools, which offer a demo with opening the file or showing the PW removed, can claim that the file could be open within a few seconds to a minute? [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality. There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement. We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist. Get rid of any that have too much imagination. We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar. They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar. Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!?? Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap. Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky. Post bug reports. Find work-arounds. Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines. The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world? Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day? Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44 On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer index disappears upon Index Update
Hi :) Superb! :) Congrats on finding that so quickly and thanks for posting the answer back to the list. Congrats, thanks and regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, . l...@ebookring.net wrote: From: . l...@ebookring.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer index disappears upon Index Update To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 3:49 On 10/16/2012 10:43 PM, . wrote: The subject line describes the problem I'm having in Writer. Whenever I-right click--Update Index/Table the existing Index disappears and can't be brought back by using ctrl-Z. Any ideas how to fix this? Solved it. The Tools- Outline_Number character style had to be set to Internet Link -- www.eBookRing.net The designer and maker of the orginal eBookRing The perfect stand for eReaders, iPads, iPhones, tablet computers and other electronic devices. Patent Pending -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we don't know the bugs MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality.There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar.They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.I cannot agree more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words.-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.orgProblems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive:http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
Thx rost52. I am familiar with the LO pdf export options. If you choose FileExport as PDF... you have all the options that you need to make a good commentable pdf. All the best O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 02:03, rost52 escreveu: I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked up/annotated if your supervisor only needs to comment and not actually edit. With a PDF you are also assured that your supervisor will see the exact layout that you see and not have the layout reflowed due to some slight font or other difference (as has happened with me). Steve On 2012-10-17 08:40, anne-ology wrote: sounds like the sensible way to go :-) On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) How about side-stepping the issue and use File - Export to Pdf Does the supervisor need to edit the document? If so it's a non-starter but generally Pdfs are viewed as being more professional. Everyone sees Pdfs the same, the layout is the same and everything. Errr, fonts sometimes not quite identical unless you print to file and then select Pdf instead of Ps. I think. Anyway Pdf generally gets around that sort of issue. Also LibreOffice has more options for exporting as Pdf, such as doing uncompressed ones for better quality. Word is really bad with graphics and doesn't have the range of Anchor to page and so on that LO has. Also it kinda falls over if it has too many graphics. Jpg can mess up images a little by making them be a bit swirly but usually it's tolerable. Png tends to be a better format. However by creating a Pdf you might even impress your supervisor. Regards from Tom :) From: Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com To: Libreoffice Global List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export Hello, I am writing a long document (my thesis) using LibreOffice and I have a lot of images (more than 50 on the 200 pages that the document) have). All images were made with LO Draw. I scanned portions of the documents that I am analysing and glue them with Draw, usually put a line framing the images our group of images when it is ready I select all the objects, group them and copy/past them to writer. Until here everything works smoothly. The problem comes when I try to export the document to a doc word (which I can not avoid has it has to be read by my supervisor and she does not use LO but M$ Office). All the export goes great except for the images that are not exported and do not appear in the *doc document. Can anyone help me with this? I understand that I can go to LO Draw, save the images as jpg and insert them in the Writer document, but if it is possible to solve this in another way that does not give me more stupid work to do I would appreciate. Thank you all. Orlando Figueiredo -- www.orlandofigueiredo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
Hi :) Ok, so best tactic might be to 1. create a copy 2. make a Pdf so you have something ready to hand in fast 3. Meanwhile work on converting the images to pngs (or jpgs depending on whether you want quality or smaller file-size) 4. Try to get the Pdf in before your supervisor expects results but keep working at the pngs/jpgs so that you can present the editable version fairly soon after. When you hand it in also give the odt version and a link to the LO download page for the version you use. At my place my boss eventually started to cave in when i kept on going on about how LO has Desktop Publishing (DTP?) stuff that Word just doesn't have. This was borne out by him not being able to line-up pictures and logos in Word that i was then able to line up in seconds on LO. It's still uneasy but he has started to use LO too sometimes now. He does have a tendency to still start documents in Word and usually that means i have to start afresh in Writer in order to get rid of insane formatting but the thread about how to paste as unformatted text helped hugely with that. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:03 I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked up/annotated if your supervisor only needs to comment and not actually edit. With a PDF you are also assured that your supervisor will see the exact layout that you see and not have the layout reflowed due to some slight font or other difference (as has happened with me). Steve On 2012-10-17 08:40, anne-ology wrote: sounds like the sensible way to go :-) On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) How about side-stepping the issue and use File - Export to Pdf Does the supervisor need to edit the document? If so it's a non-starter but generally Pdfs are viewed as being more professional. Everyone sees Pdfs the same, the layout is the same and everything. Errr, fonts sometimes not quite identical unless you print to file and then select Pdf instead of Ps. I think. Anyway Pdf generally gets around that sort of issue. Also LibreOffice has more options for exporting as Pdf, such as doing uncompressed ones for better quality. Word is really bad with graphics and doesn't have the range of Anchor to page and so on that LO has. Also it kinda falls over if it has too many graphics. Jpg can mess up images a little by making them be a bit swirly but usually it's tolerable. Png tends to be a better format. However by creating a Pdf you might even impress your supervisor. Regards from Tom :) From: Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com To: Libreoffice Global List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export Hello, I am writing a long document (my thesis) using LibreOffice and I have a lot of images (more than 50 on the 200 pages that the document) have). All images were made with LO Draw. I scanned portions of the documents that I am analysing and glue them with Draw, usually put a line framing the images our group of images when it is ready I select all the objects, group them and copy/past them to writer. Until here everything works smoothly. The problem comes when I try to export the document to a doc word (which I can not avoid has it has to be read by my supervisor and she does not use LO but M$ Office). All the export goes great except for the images that are not exported and do not appear in the *doc document. Can anyone help me with this? I understand that I can go to LO Draw, save
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
What do I need to do, to get a pdf-file via file/export to pdf so I can add comments into the pdf-document? On 17.10.2012 17:55, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Thx rost52. I am familiar with the LO pdf export options. If you choose FileExport as PDF... you have all the options that you need to make a good commentable pdf. All the best O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 02:03, rost52 escreveu: I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked up/annotated if your supervisor only needs to comment and not actually edit. With a PDF you are also assured that your supervisor will see the exact layout that you see and not have the layout reflowed due to some slight font or other difference (as has happened with me). Steve On 2012-10-17 08:40, anne-ology wrote: sounds like the sensible way to go :-) On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) How about side-stepping the issue and use File - Export to Pdf Does the supervisor need to edit the document? If so it's a non-starter but generally Pdfs are viewed as being more professional. Everyone sees Pdfs the same, the layout is the same and everything. Errr, fonts sometimes not quite identical unless you print to file and then select Pdf instead of Ps. I think. Anyway Pdf generally gets around that sort of issue. Also LibreOffice has more options for exporting as Pdf, such as doing uncompressed ones for better quality. Word is really bad with graphics and doesn't have the range of Anchor to page and so on that LO has. Also it kinda falls over if it has too many graphics. Jpg can mess up images a little by making them be a bit swirly but usually it's tolerable. Png tends to be a better format. However by creating a Pdf you might even impress your supervisor. Regards from Tom :) From: Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com To: Libreoffice Global List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export Hello, I am writing a long document (my thesis) using LibreOffice and I have a lot of images (more than 50 on the 200 pages that the document) have). All images were made with LO Draw. I scanned portions of the documents that I am analysing and glue them with Draw, usually put a line framing the images our group of images when it is ready I select all the objects, group them and copy/past them to writer. Until here everything works smoothly. The problem comes when I try to export the document to a doc word (which I can not avoid has it has to be read by my supervisor and she does not use LO but M$ Office). All the export goes great except for the images that are not exported and do not appear in the *doc document. Can anyone help me with this? I understand that I can go to LO Draw, save the images as jpg and insert them in the Writer document, but if it is possible to solve this in another way that does not give me more stupid work to do I would appreciate. Thank you all. Orlando Figueiredo -- www.orlandofigueiredo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
Hi, When you choose File Export as pdf... a new window appears and on the right there is one chceckbox that says Annotated pdf. Choose it. I am not sure about the english name of that checkbos as I am using LO in Portuguese. All the best. O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 10:05, rost52 escreveu: What do I need to do, to get a pdf-file via file/export to pdf so I can add comments into the pdf-document? On 17.10.2012 17:55, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Thx rost52. I am familiar with the LO pdf export options. If you choose FileExport as PDF... you have all the options that you need to make a good commentable pdf. All the best O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 02:03, rost52 escreveu: I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked up/annotated if your supervisor only needs to comment and not actually edit. With a PDF you are also assured that your supervisor will see the exact layout that you see and not have the layout reflowed due to some slight font or other difference (as has happened with me). Steve On 2012-10-17 08:40, anne-ology wrote: sounds like the sensible way to go :-) On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) How about side-stepping the issue and use File - Export to Pdf Does the supervisor need to edit the document? If so it's a non-starter but generally Pdfs are viewed as being more professional. Everyone sees Pdfs the same, the layout is the same and everything. Errr, fonts sometimes not quite identical unless you print to file and then select Pdf instead of Ps. I think. Anyway Pdf generally gets around that sort of issue. Also LibreOffice has more options for exporting as Pdf, such as doing uncompressed ones for better quality. Word is really bad with graphics and doesn't have the range of Anchor to page and so on that LO has. Also it kinda falls over if it has too many graphics. Jpg can mess up images a little by making them be a bit swirly but usually it's tolerable. Png tends to be a better format. However by creating a Pdf you might even impress your supervisor. Regards from Tom :) From: Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com To: Libreoffice Global List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export Hello, I am writing a long document (my thesis) using LibreOffice and I have a lot of images (more than 50 on the 200 pages that the document) have). All images were made with LO Draw. I scanned portions of the documents that I am analysing and glue them with Draw, usually put a line framing the images our group of images when it is ready I select all the objects, group them and copy/past them to writer. Until here everything works smoothly. The problem comes when I try to export the document to a doc word (which I can not avoid has it has to be read by my supervisor and she does not use LO but M$ Office). All the export goes great except for the images that are not exported and do not appear in the *doc document. Can anyone help me with this? I understand that I can go to LO Draw, save the images as jpg and insert them in the Writer document, but if it is possible to solve this in another way that does not give me more stupid work to do I would appreciate. Thank you all. Orlando Figueiredo -- www.orlandofigueiredo.net -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
Hi :) step 5 (obviously) is to try to be ready to hand in the .doc quite soon after handing in the Pdf and Odt, or Od-whatever Something else i am doing right now is to talk about the imminent release of MS Office 2013, apparently due out at around the end of this month. I also quite often point out that the only real reason for upgrading is when other people start using the new one because when they do documents we produce wont look quite right in the new one. And, of course, that stuff produced in the new MS Office won't look right in our old one. I'm deliberately calling MS Office 2010 the old one. I say things like yes, the old one is better than the 2007 because the ribbon-bar is a bit more logical. My boss admitted he couldn't find his way around the new ribbon-bar so i printed off the Quick Reference sheets from the MS.Com website to help people get used to the old one we just bought. Obviously it's not going to be called 2013 this time, at least i'm fairly sure it isn't but it helps people get an idea about when MS Office is likely to be released, because otherwise they seem to think that i am talking about something that isn't going to happen for another decade or so. When i talk about MSO 2013 i try to get 2010 and 2007 versions into the same sentence. (Yes, its happening soon and we are quickly going to be seen as out-of-date boss ;) ) The only reason we bought all the new MSO 2010 was because the new finance spreadsheets have macros that only work in 2010. (Aww gee boss, are these going to work in the new one?). Since finance were getting MSO 2010 obviously everyone else 'had' to have it too. So i am being a really Pita at work but it's getting some people to actually give LO a go as long as i can keep it secret about it being free and just 'sell it' on it's high quality 'Desktop Publishing' features such as handling images better. Btw and should never be used at the start of a sentence, same with but. Very, very rarely you can get away with it without looking like a complete moron but it's not worth the risk. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export To: users@global.libreoffice.org, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:57 Hi :) Ok, so best tactic might be to 1. create a copy 2. make a Pdf so you have something ready to hand in fast 3. Meanwhile work on converting the images to pngs (or jpgs depending on whether you want quality or smaller file-size) 4. Try to get the Pdf in before your supervisor expects results but keep working at the pngs/jpgs so that you can present the editable version fairly soon after. When you hand it in also give the odt version and a link to the LO download page for the version you use. At my place my boss eventually started to cave in when i kept on going on about how LO has Desktop Publishing (DTP?) stuff that Word just doesn't have. This was borne out by him not being able to line-up pictures and logos in Word that i was then able to line up in seconds on LO. It's still uneasy but he has started to use LO too sometimes now. He does have a tendency to still start documents in Word and usually that means i have to start afresh in Writer in order to get rid of insane formatting but the thread about how to paste as unformatted text helped hugely with that. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de wrote: From: rost52 bugquestcon...@online.de Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:03 I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or Well, tons of valid reasons Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42 It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we don't know the bugs MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality.There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar.They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I
[libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin
Hi :) WH! Superb!! Great news and an excellent announcement! I usually find some minor point to criticise and sometimes worry that detracts from the main messages but this time there was not a single petty thing wrong i could find anywhere. Really great news! 60 million! Over 100 languages! Congrats and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 8:43 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin LibreOffice Conference, Berlin, October 17, 2012 - Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board of The Document Foundation, has officially opened the 2nd LibreOffice Conference (http://conference.libreoffice.org) addressing the authorities and the community members gathered in the capital city of Germany from the five continents. As of today, LibreOffice is being used by close to 60 million people. It is the standard free office suite on all major platforms, available in over 100 languages. Large cities and organizations are deploying it very successfully, more and more schools and universities are rolling it out, and there's not a single month where it is not covered by major media around the globe – because we always have good news to share. The Document Foundation has become a member of leading organizations for free software and open standards, and at the very same time, is widely seen as a the leader in its area, built on strong reputation and credibility. Last but not least, the ecosystem is growing rapidly, as more and more enterprises discover the business benefit of truly free software. We are now a family of thousands of contributors around the globe. I not only have colleagues all over the world, but more important, true friends, and I am honoured to be part of a large family. Everyone with their very own story, their very own background, and their very own skills. Different ages, cultures and languages, all united by one goal: providing the best free office suite ever, and giving power to those who contribute by passion. By living our values day by day, we make possible what we never dared to dream of two years ago. LibreOffice Conference 2012 is hosted by the Federal Ministry of the Interior (http://www.bmi.bund.de) and the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology (http://www.bmwi.de) he Federal Republic of Germany, and Freies Office Deutschland e.V. The event is sponsored by Canonical (http://www.canonical.com), Google (http://www.google.com), SerNet (http://www.sernet.de), bitbone (http://www.bitbone.de), Lanedo (http://www.lanedo.com), Red Hat (http://www.redhat.com) and Univention (http://www.univention.de). The main conference sessions will be broadcast online, while all sessions will be recorded and made available on the conference website. To access both real time and recorded video, the infrastructure team has created a single webpage at http://conference.libreoffice.org/streams. LibreOffice 3.6.2 is available for immediate download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Extensions for LibreOffice are available from the following link: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center. When downloading the software, you might consider about donating some money to The Document Foundation for the development of LibreOffice and the growth of the community, by accessing our donation page at http://donate.libreoffice.org. About The Document Foundation (TDF) The Document Foundation is an open, independent, self-governing, meritocratic organization, which builds on ten years of dedicated work by the OpenOffice.org Community. TDF was created in the belief that the culture born of an independent foundation brings out the best in corporate and volunteer contributors, and will deliver the best free office suite. TDF is open to any individual who agrees with its core values and contributes to its activities, and warmly welcomes corporate participation, e.g. by sponsoring individuals to work as equals alongside other contributors in the community. As of September 30, 2012, TDF has over 150 members and over 3.000 volunteers and contributors worldwide. -- Italo Vignoli - Director phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre office using MSVCR90.dll cause Explorer to crash?
On 10/10/2012 12:06 AM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/09/2012 09:02 AM, Carl von Bell wrote: Friends I got this really strange problem affecting Windows Explorer. I noticed that it started happening after I installed a data managing program called FieldWorks and started exporting interlinearized files into LibreOffice .odt format from within that program. I store my LibreOffice files that FieldWorks outputs in one folder (there are other files there too). Sometimes several times in a row if I open that folder in Windows Explorer then the Windows Explorer crashes and I get the error below. Sometimes there is no way to get to the files, except rebooting the system! Otherwise I cannot open the folder to get to the files. :-( The funny thing is that I do not even need to click on any of the .odt files and still the Explorer crashes. And sometimes I can work for hours and there is no problem. Another person who also has the same setup, but Win 7, experience similar things. It is very annoying. Here is the error message I get. I am not sure if my friend gets exact the same error but the behaviour is similar. Windows Explorer has stopped working. Windows can check online Check online ... Restart the program Then view problems details. If you click the View problem details then do you see something like this Problem signature: Problem Event Name:BEX64 Application Name:Explorer.EXE Application Version:6.0.6002.18005 Application Timestamp:49e02a1e Fault Module Name:MSVCR90.dll Fault Module Version:9.0.30729.6161 Fault Module Timestamp:4dace4e7 Exception Offset:000552d4 Exception Code:c417 Exception Data: OS Version:6.0.6002.2.2.0.256.6 Locale ID:1033 Additional Information 1:46e0 Additional Information 2:4ce498f1e2ebb3719af008d4ef97bedc Additional Information 3:7d05 Additional Information 4:729ac305dabb24e28fbe99019ecbbab7 Read our privacy statement: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=50163clcid=0x0409 I know it is possible that it has nothing to do with LibreOffice at all, but I need to try to start somewhere in resolving the possible cause. So I wonder does the LibreOffice use the MSVCR90.dll file or not? If it does, then is there something I could try to do so that this would not happen again? Wiindows Vista Pro 64Bit LibreOffice 3.5.2 Thanks a lot, Calle Calle, According to this link http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/msvcr90/420990/#.UHRJ1OnA-a4 MSVCR90.dll is part of Visual Studio 2005. I doubt LO uses this library. My guess is that you have corrupted file. Hi It seems that I finally got a solution to this annoying problem. It is indeed a LibreOffice issue, which has been known for some time. I sent a dump of the crash to Microsoft community help and go the following helpful reply from auggy: The problem appears to be the shlxthdl_x64.dll: /*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for *shlxthdl_x64.dll* *** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for *shlxthdl_x64.dll* Unable to load image C:\Windows\System32\ieframe.dll, Win32 error 0n2 *** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for ieframe.dll Probably caused by : msvcr90.dll ( msvcr90!invalid_parameter+70 )/ The shlxthdl_x64.dll http://www.google.ca/search?q=shlxthdl_x64.dllsourceid=ie7rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Addressie=oe=redir_esc=ei=Tix-UObPFKSTyQHBmYCQDg, which is at version 3.6.1.2, is a component of LibreOffice. The error you are experiencing appears to be a known issue: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52078 This issue may be fixed in an update to LibreOffice so make sure you are running the most recent version. If you are running the most recent version of LibreOffice or if the error persists can you try the following. Go to the following folder: /C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3.6\program\shlxthdl/ In that folder right-click and rename the /shlxthdl_x64.dll/ to /shlxthdl_x64.old/. Here is the link to the whole thread: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-performance/windows-explorer-crashes-msvcr90dll-as-faulting/98ada2d3-06f4-479b-812c-d8c3bd37fea3 I uninstalled my earlier version of LibreOffice and downloaded and installed the latest one 3.6.2 and installed that one. That seems to have fixed the problem. :-) I did also earlier uninstall all versions of MS Visual C++ redistributable, and then reinstall the Visual C 2008 C++ 64 version, but that alone did not make any difference, as expected, if the error was not really related to that msvcr90.dll. Thanks, Calle2012 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to
[libreoffice-users] Index with indent?
Would someone please tell me how I can create an Index entry that is indented? Presently the indexes I create using Heading 1 which when the index is made (at the beginning of a document) the entry is flush to the left of the page's margin. Here's how I want it to look; Cats whiskers.1 Cats whisker cleaners1 Any ideas? -- www.eBookRing.net The designer and maker of the orginal eBookRing The perfect stand for eReaders, iPads, iPhones, tablet computers and other electronic devices. Patent Pending -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin
What I like is the statements from the French Prime Minister and the list of cities that are moving to LO or have moved already. I really think we need such statements by officials and the list of cities and major organizations that are using LO be reported on one WIKI page. That way we have one place to send people to show them all of the governments and organizations that are not using LO. On 10/17/2012 06:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) WH! Superb!! Great news and an excellent announcement! I usually find some minor point to criticise and sometimes worry that detracts from the main messages but this time there was not a single petty thing wrong i could find anywhere. Really great news! 60 million! Over 100 languages! Congrats and regards from Tom :) snip -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Index with indent?
Hi :) Can't you cheat and just edit the specific line(s)? I think there is something in the headings levels but i didn't quite understand all that. Was it in the Using Styles and Templates chapter in the Getting Started Guide? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Regards from Tom :) From: . l...@ebookring.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 14:45 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Index with indent? Would someone please tell me how I can create an Index entry that is indented? Presently the indexes I create using Heading 1 which when the index is made (at the beginning of a document) the entry is flush to the left of the page's margin. Here's how I want it to look; Cats whiskers.1 Cats whisker cleaners1 Any ideas? -- www.eBookRing.net The designer and maker of the orginal eBookRing The perfect stand for eReaders, iPads, iPhones, tablet computers and other electronic devices. Patent Pending -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Just to clarify, is this only for official members? There is a difference between the main community and official members of TDF. Most people are not official members, there's a long process that has some requirements to it. I started the survey and stopped when I cam across Question #5, I'm not an official member of TDF. Please clarify and we'll move forward. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) So, pretty much everyone in LO then! :) Even people that worked in OOo for a decade and Star Office before that are likely to have been in LO for 2 years and a couple of weeks. LO celebrated it's 2nd birthday just a couple of weeks ago. So everyone is eligible :) Regards from Tom :) From: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 6:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi, I am currently conducting a survey that looks at the influence of newcomer experience on contributor behavior and performance in Free/Open Source Software communities. If you have joined the LibreOffice community within the last 2 years, I would like to invite you to complete the survey. I am interested in hearing from people who are either technical or non-technical contributors, and who have had either positive or negative newcomer experiences. The survey is available HERE https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=14153lang=en . It will be available until Monday, 29 October, 2012. The data you provide will help understand the experience of newcomers within the LibreOffice community. It will also be used to refine the survey before it is later administered to contributors from other FOSS projects. This survey is anonymous, and no information that would identify you is being collected. The School of Information Management Human Ethics Committee has approved this research project. If you know members of the LibreOffice community who you think would be interested in completing it, please do not hesitate to let them know about this research. I will post news about my progress with this research, and the results on my blog: http://kevincarillo.org. Thanks. Kevin Carillo PhD candidate School of Information Management Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Survey-about-newcomer-experience-for-LibreOffice-project-contributors-tp4013861.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Just to clarify, is this only for official members? There is a difference between the main community and official members of TDF. Most people are not official members, there's a long process that has some requirements to it. I started the survey and stopped when I cam across Question #5, I'm not an official member of TDF. Please clarify and we'll move forward. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) So, pretty much everyone in LO then! :) Even people that worked in OOo for a decade and Star Office before that are likely to have been in LO for 2 years and a couple of weeks. LO celebrated it's 2nd birthday just a couple of weeks ago. So everyone is eligible :) Regards from Tom :) From: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 6:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi, I am currently conducting a survey that looks at the influence of newcomer experience on contributor behavior and performance in Free/Open Source Software communities. If you have joined the LibreOffice community within the last 2 years, I would like to invite you to complete the survey. I am interested in hearing from people who are either technical or non-technical contributors, and who have had either positive or negative newcomer experiences. The survey is available HERE https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=14153lang=en . It will be available until Monday, 29 October, 2012. The data you provide will help understand the experience of newcomers within the LibreOffice community. It will also be used to refine the survey before it is later administered to contributors from other FOSS projects. This survey is anonymous, and no information that would identify you is being collected. The School of Information Management Human Ethics Committee has approved this research project. If you know members of the LibreOffice community who you think would be interested in completing it, please do not hesitate to let them know about this research. I will post news about my progress with this research, and the results on my blog: http://kevincarillo.org. Thanks. Kevin Carillo PhD candidate School of Information Management Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Survey-about-newcomer-experience-for-LibreOffice-project-contributors-tp4013861.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF. They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case . Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Hi :) The trick is not to take it personally even if they have to reject you first time you apply. Part of the process is to try to find 2 people that are already members who are willing to and who have time to support your application. One bunch of us were somewhat depending on getting accepted in the right order but it kinda fell through. So, just apply again [shrugs] if you don't get in first time. Copypaste is good. Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 17:23 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF. They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case . Regards, Joel -- Joel Madero LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Index with indent?
Hi. Do you mean 2 entries for each heading, or are you showing the current situation and the desired situation. Click in the table of contents, press F11 for styles. In paragraph styles select contents 1 (should be selected when you press F11 while in contents). Right click Modify. On the Indents and Spacing tab, adjust the before text and after text. Steve On 2012-10-18 02:45, . wrote: Would someone please tell me how I can create an Index entry that is indented? Presently the indexes I create using Heading 1 which when the index is made (at the beginning of a document) the entry is flush to the left of the page's margin. Here's how I want it to look; Cats whiskers.1 Cats whisker cleaners1 Any ideas? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: List of Fonts in Use in a Document
Thanks for all the comments. I suspect the approach of simply installing all of the fonts from my Windows installation makes the most sense. The problem with using the pdf (I didn't realize you could see a list of fonts in use, so thanks for pointing that out), is that when I create the pdf, it ends up listing the substitute font and not the one I needed to load. I notice that someone else already requested that, in a future release, Libre might pop up a message that it was going to substitute a font - listing both what it was asked to use, and what it was going to substitute; that would, I think, be quite useful in situations where a document is travelling around among various machines and operating systems. Again, thanks... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/List-of-Fonts-in-Use-in-a-Document-tp4013512p4013955.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: List of Fonts in Use in a Document
On 2012-10-18 06:17, CVAlkan wrote: Thanks for all the comments. I suspect the approach of simply installing all of the fonts from my Windows installation makes the most sense. The problem with using the pdf (I didn't realize you could see a list of fonts in use, so thanks for pointing that out), is that when I create the pdf, it ends up listing the substitute font and not the one I needed to load. I notice that someone else already requested that, in a future release, Libre might pop up a message that it was going to substitute a font - listing both what it was asked to use, and what it was going to substitute; that would, I think, be quite useful in situations where a document is travelling around among various machines and operating systems. Again, thanks... Something I used to use would prompt on missing fonts, may have been pagemaker, it was very useful. steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: List of Fonts in Use in a Document
This is a feature request and probably a useful one. At this point our list of bugs (not enhancements) is long enough that getting to these kinds of requests is tough with such a small group of developers :( We are really trying to grow our developer base so that we can start tackling some of these cool and useful enhancement requests. I know there is something about fonts being embedded in the future, not sure what kind of progress that's seen. Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: On 2012-10-18 06:17, CVAlkan wrote: Thanks for all the comments. I suspect the approach of simply installing all of the fonts from my Windows installation makes the most sense. The problem with using the pdf (I didn't realize you could see a list of fonts in use, so thanks for pointing that out), is that when I create the pdf, it ends up listing the substitute font and not the one I needed to load. I notice that someone else already requested that, in a future release, Libre might pop up a message that it was going to substitute a font - listing both what it was asked to use, and what it was going to substitute; that would, I think, be quite useful in situations where a document is travelling around among various machines and operating systems. Again, thanks... Something I used to use would prompt on missing fonts, may have been pagemaker, it was very useful. steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
What's an official member? How to become one? What are the advantages for the member and for the community? Thx O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 17:23, Joel Madero escreveu: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF. They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case . Regards, Joel -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Official membership is for contributors, there is a process of commitment, verification, etc... to become one. To become one the first step is to become a contributor (meaning developer, marketing team, etc...) Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.comwrote: What's an official member? How to become one? What are the advantages for the member and for the community? Thx O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/**twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 17:23, Joel Madero escreveu: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF. They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case . Regards, Joel -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or
Re: [libreoffice-users] set custom image as bullet list template
On 10/17/2012 02:04 PM, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote: hi, I'm trying to set a custom image as bullet list impress template with no success so far, any hint? Modify the Master slide using Styles: 1. Open a slide presentation whose bullets you want change. 2. View - Master - Slide Master. 3. F11 (which opens the Styles and Formatting window. 4. Click the line that reads Second Outline Level. 5. Outline 2 should be highlighted in the Styles and Formatting window. 6. Right Click Outline 2 and select Modify from the context menu. 7. Click the Customize tab. 8. Bullet dropdown list: open this list and select Graphics from it. 9. Open the Graphic dropdown list. 10. Either select a graphic from the gallery, or From file which allows you to browse to the graphic you want to use. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form
I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table. Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in that table without molesting the master copy. One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a laborious solution It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table. I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet. Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier way? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
thx 8- www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 20:01, Joel Madero escreveu: Official membership is for contributors, there is a process of commitment, verification, etc... to become one. To become one the first step is to become a contributor (meaning developer, marketing team, etc...) Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com mailto:of1...@gmail.com wrote: What's an official member? How to become one? What are the advantages for the member and for the community? Thx O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net http://www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 17:23, Joel Madero escreveu: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF. They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case . Regards, Joel -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Joel Madero* LibO QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com mailto:jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form
John Clegg wrote: I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table. Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in that table without molesting the master copy. One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a laborious solution It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table. I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet. Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier way? John, I am assuming you need to change the table that your form points to. You can do this by: 1. Bring up your form in edit mode (right click on form name and select Edit.) 2. Select the Form Properties window (this is the icon that looks like a window with 2 buttons with an arrow pointing to it, and with a help balloon that says Form. 3. In the popup window, select the Data tab. 4. Change the Content box to the table you want to use from the list. If the new table's column (control) names are different, you will have to change those too in the form editor. You do that by Ctrl-left-clicking on the form's control box and selecting its Data tab and selecting the new name from the list derived from your new table. Do that for each control that has a different name from your old table. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless
Re: [libreoffice-users] Base - need to re-point a form
That's exactly what I wanted and couldn't find anywhere! I'm very grateful John On 17 October 2012 21:14, Girvin R. Herr girvin.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: John Clegg wrote: I have a base file attached to a MySQL database on a remote server. I have a form that I use to view and edit the data in one table. Others also access the database, and I need to experiment with the data in that table without molesting the master copy. One solution would be to make a complete copy of the database, but as I want to make copies of the main table many times a day that would be a laborious solution It is easy to make a duplicate of the main table within the database, and also easy to make a copy of the form in the base file, but what I need to do now is point the copy of the form at the copy of the table. I thought it might be possible to open the odb file as a zip file and find the form data containing the table name somewhere in it, and edit it to the copy table name, but I haven't succeeded yet. Does anybody know if this is possible - or even if there is a much easier way? John, I am assuming you need to change the table that your form points to. You can do this by: 1. Bring up your form in edit mode (right click on form name and select Edit.) 2. Select the Form Properties window (this is the icon that looks like a window with 2 buttons with an arrow pointing to it, and with a help balloon that says Form. 3. In the popup window, select the Data tab. 4. Change the Content box to the table you want to use from the list. If the new table's column (control) names are different, you will have to change those too in the form editor. You do that by Ctrl-left-clicking on the form's control box and selecting its Data tab and selecting the new name from the list derived from your new table. Do that for each control that has a different name from your old table. Hope this helps. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around
RE: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Thanks for those who have already taken part in the survey. It has been brought to my attention that several questions refer to the notion of membership within the LibreOffice community. By membership I am not asking about TDF membership, instead I am referring to the point when you began contributing to the LibreOffice software project (developing, reporting bugs, writing documentation, etc...). TDF members however fully qualify for taking part in the survey. It will be interesting to compare both types of newcomer experience. However, regular users are not included. I am definitely not saying that LibreOffice users are not important for the community (since LibO would not exist without its users) but simply that the survey targets the experience of new contributors when joining the LibO project. It encompasses the tasks they had to undertake to learn how to contribute as well as the interactions with other community members while learning about how to contribute to the software project. Potential survey participants shall have joined the LibO community within the last 2 years. LibO celebrated its 2-year birthday recently, and you may argue that everyone in LibO then joined within the last 2 years. The survey applies to people who joined the LibO community since it was created but who were not previously involved in the OpenOffice project. The survey description has been updated to clarify both aspects. For those who are at the LibO conference right now, have fun! Kevin (kevouze on irc) From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 5:21 a.m. To: Joel Madero Cc: Kevin Carillo; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Just to clarify, is this only for official members? There is a difference between the main community and official members of TDF. Most people are not official members, there's a long process that has some requirements to it. I started the survey and stopped when I cam across Question #5, I'm not an official member of TDF. Please clarify and we'll move forward. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) So, pretty much everyone in LO then! :) Even people that worked in OOo for a decade and Star Office before that are likely to have been in LO for 2 years and a couple of weeks. LO celebrated it's 2nd birthday just a couple of weeks ago. So everyone is eligible :) Regards from Tom :) From: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nzmailto:kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 6:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi, I am currently conducting a survey that looks at the influence of newcomer experience on contributor behavior and performance in Free/Open Source Software communities. If you have joined the LibreOffice community within the last 2 years, I would like to invite you to complete the survey. I am interested in hearing from people who are either technical or non-technical contributors, and who have had either positive or negative newcomer experiences. The survey is available HERE https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=14153lang=en . It will be available until Monday, 29 October, 2012. The data you provide will help understand the experience of newcomers within the LibreOffice community. It will also be used to refine the survey before it is later administered to contributors from other FOSS projects. This survey is anonymous, and no information that would identify you is being collected. The School of Information Management Human Ethics
Re: [libreoffice-users] Index with indent?
On 2012-10-18 06:44, . wrote: On 10/17/2012 12:59 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi. Do you mean 2 entries for each heading, or are you showing the current situation and the desired situation. Click in the table of contents, press F11 for styles. In paragraph styles select contents 1 (should be selected when you press F11 while in contents). Right click Modify. On the Indents and Spacing tab, adjust the before text and after text. Steve I'm showing the desired situation. Heading 1 is applied to all entries that are to be put into the Index and thus all of the present entries are flush to the left side of the page. I'd like Heading 1 applied to those entries that'll be in the index which are the main Index entry and under that main index entry there are 1 or more sub-topics. 'Hope that makes sense. Thanks Hi. There for Cats whisker cleaners you would use Heading 2 style in the document. You can then adjust Contents2 style in the index/table of contents to display as you require. You can also set the levels of headings to show in the index. You may want to show heading 1 and heading 2 but not heading 3 and below. steve On 2012-10-18 02:45, . wrote: Would someone please tell me how I can create an Index entry that is indented? Presently the indexes I create using Heading 1 which when the index is made (at the beginning of a document) the entry is flush to the left of the page's margin. Here's how I want it to look; Cats whiskers.1 Cats whisker cleaners1 Any ideas? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) You didn't abuse or misuse the Users List. One of the functions of the list is to signpost people to where they might get better answers. Plus, it does follow on nicely although i think we might have drifted off-topic over the past few posts as we do. Sorry about the Rtf issue. MS created it to ensure compatibility between all different programs on any platform. The key words there are the 1st 3. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:16 Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM To: Dr. R. O Stapf Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format. This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs that bog us down. I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Hi :) Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis. Doc seems to have more chance of being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different programs. I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a few years. Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility between programs! Ooooh the irony. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45 Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes life a lot easier. Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Just tried it with DOC. It works. It truly is ironic. I've always like RTF precisely because of its relatively wide compatibility. It seems as if RTF has been rendered obsolete and irrelevant. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:12 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis. Doc seems to have more chance of being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different programs. I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a few years. Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility between programs! Ooooh the irony. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45 Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder. My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not LO. On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked perfect. So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files and the way LO reads them. Curiouser and curiouser. Virgil -Original Message- From: VA Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Thanks for the Board-discuss tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to abuse the user list. I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so I'm not going to worry too much about it. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? Hi :) Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing. Copypaste is good. Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even 5. Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth. The Rtf issues sounds weird. Have you tried renaming your User Profile? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: From: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06 As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program. There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't complete a task because of some bug. As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For example, I use the following: Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very clean interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere. The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to use new features. Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need 100% Word compatibility. Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt. LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony, it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use another option when loading RTF files.
RE: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Hi :) The survey software is apparently released under a GPL licence and you can save the survey at any point and then carry on later. It doesn't need to take much time although i can imagine a few people agonising over non-Yes/No questions. It's multiple choice so just whizz through and then maybe glance over the page and make corrections It seems like a good thing to do but it's a free choice Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Kevin Carillo kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: From: Kevin Carillo kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: 'Tom Davies' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:11 Thanks for those who have already taken part in the survey. It has been brought to my attention that several questions refer to the notion of membership within the LibreOffice community. By membership I am not asking about TDF membership, instead I am referring to the point when you began contributing to the LibreOffice software project (developing, reporting bugs, writing documentation, etc...). TDF members however fully qualify for taking part in the survey. It will be interesting to compare both types of newcomer experience. However, regular users are not included. I am definitely not saying that LibreOffice users are not important for the community (since LibO would not exist without its users) but simply that the survey targets the experience of new contributors when joining the LibO project. It encompasses the tasks they had to undertake to learn how to contribute as well as the interactions with other community members while learning about how to contribute to the software project. Potential survey participants shall have joined the LibO community within the last 2 years. LibO celebrated its 2-year birthday recently, and you may argue that everyone in LibO then joined within the last 2 years. The survey applies to people who joined the LibO community since it was created but who were not previously involved in the OpenOffice project. The survey description has been updated to clarify both aspects. For those who are at the LibO conference right now, have fun! Kevin (kevouze on irc) From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 5:21 a.m. To: Joel Madero Cc: Kevin Carillo; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Just to clarify, is this only for official members? There is a difference between the main community and official members of TDF. Most people are not official members, there's a long process that has some requirements to it. I started the survey and stopped when I cam across Question #5, I'm not an official member of TDF. Please clarify and we'll move forward. Thanks! Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) So, pretty much everyone in LO then! :) Even people that worked in OOo for a decade and Star Office before that are likely to have been in LO for 2 years and a couple of weeks. LO celebrated it's 2nd birthday just a couple of weeks ago. So everyone is eligible :) Regards from Tom :) From: kevouze kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nzmailto:kevin.cari...@vuw.ac.nz To: users@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 6:37 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi, I am currently conducting a survey that looks at the influence of newcomer experience on contributor behavior and performance in Free/Open Source
[libreoffice-users] RE: Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors
Thanks, Tom. I have used LimeSurvey to design the survey and it is indeed under a GPL license. For those who want to save the survey and carry on some time later, you just have to click on the ‘Resume later’ button and you will get a popup asking you to enter your email address (don’t worry, I am not saving the email addresses, it is all happening within LimeSurvey and I have no control). You will then be sent an email giving you a link which when clicked will take you exactly where you had left the survey. I thought it was some convenient feature for those who are pretty busy and cannot dedicate 20 minutes in one go. Please everyone, do not hesitate to give me any feedback about survey. Feedback is always good! Kevin From: Tom [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] [mailto:ml-node+s969070n4013994...@n3.nabble.com] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:39 p.m. To: Kevin Carillo Subject: RE: Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi :) The survey software is apparently released under a GPL licence and you can save the survey at any point and then carry on later. It doesn't need to take much time although i can imagine a few people agonising over non-Yes/No questions. It's multiple choice so just whizz through and then maybe glance over the page and make corrections It seems like a good thing to do but it's a free choice Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Kevin Carillo [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=0 wrote: From: Kevin Carillo [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=1 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors To: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=2 [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=3 Cc: 'Tom Davies' [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=4, Joel Madero [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=5 Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:11 Thanks for those who have already taken part in the survey. It has been brought to my attention that several questions refer to the notion of membership within the LibreOffice community. By membership I am not asking about TDF membership, instead I am referring to the point when you began contributing to the LibreOffice software project (developing, reporting bugs, writing documentation, etc...). TDF members however fully qualify for taking part in the survey. It will be interesting to compare both types of newcomer experience. However, regular users are not included. I am definitely not saying that LibreOffice users are not important for the community (since LibO would not exist without its users) but simply that the survey targets the experience of new contributors when joining the LibO project. It encompasses the tasks they had to undertake to learn how to contribute as well as the interactions with other community members while learning about how to contribute to the software project. Potential survey participants shall have joined the LibO community within the last 2 years. LibO celebrated its 2-year birthday recently, and you may argue that everyone in LibO then joined within the last 2 years. The survey applies to people who joined the LibO community since it was created but who were not previously involved in the OpenOffice project. The survey description has been updated to clarify both aspects. For those who are at the LibO conference right now, have fun! Kevin (kevouze on irc) From: Tom Davies [mailto:[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=6] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012 5:21 a.m. To: Joel Madero Cc: Kevin Carillo; [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=7 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors Hi :) Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really is only official members. However fast the application membership process is it's unlikely to ever meet demand. I'm hoping for a bit of a snowball effect = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the applications. I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a lot only a tiny percentage are officially members. It seems likely that i might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am currently having with the BoD. I'm often in that position so it's unlikely i would ever be allowed to be a member! On the other hand some in the BoD applaud me :) [shrugs] Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=8 To: Tom Davies [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=9 Cc: kevouze [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=10; [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4013994i=11 [hidden
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
and now we're 3 :-) On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.comwrote: On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
very good points. I do like the idea of having 2: the reliable one for use and the newest version for testing. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs that are interested in adding new functionality. There are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort of excitement. We could build-up a strong core of devs that focus only on fixing things that already exist. Get rid of any that have too much imagination. We could watch and wait while other Office Suites develop new functionality and then try to catch up and try to write code to do the same thing but without the code looking too similar. They would set the format and the way things should look and we just try to copy exactly without looking too similar. Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually fall further and further back?!!?? Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test driving the new branch asap. Seek out 'bugs' or anything vaguely wonky. Post bug reports. Find work-arounds. Fall back on the more stable release from the older branch (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when we need to meet deadlines. The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out into the world? Do we want LO to keep going in the future or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO one day? Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44 On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. I cannot agree more. I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some problems disappearing in 3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7. I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's words. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
Yes, I think we both (and I am sure that there are many more) want the same thing: LO being successful and known as the best Office package and available also for people who just cannot afford to buy an Office package. I also understand that devs are easier to get for programming new features because this frontier work. I can understand this very well because I used to work on frontier work myself for many years. However, I also learned that things must be made stable. My business now is nothing else but making operations stable. Coming from that point of view I only can encourage devs to put in all their pride in getting LO branches stable ASAP. I feel good when I get an operation stable and a dev can feel the same way. It might even be harder to get bugs out because it must first be understood what causes the bug. If I would learn about a dev who removed a bug I reported, I thank him personally! (If there is a list where I can see it, I appreciate a lot information on where such a list is published on the web.) I can not contribute more than bug reporting. I do this for all bugs I find and which I can document somehow. It takes me a lot of time - a loss in my productivity - but I am willing to do so. My small contribution to the LO project which I like. Currently I only can do this for my production version (3.5.6.2). But I would actually like to run 2 versions on my PC: a stable one with almost no bugs, and a newer one with new features and bugs. (This idea was expressed already by Tom, anne-ology and maybe some other as well.) By doing so I can use time for searching bugs in the newer version, and when I am very busy (= I need a high productivity) I can just use the stable version. For me such a possibility would push the LO project forward at very high speed. The success of SW is a combination of features and stability (= productivity increase). This means the right balance is needed. The right balance of dev power for new feature compared to dev power to fix bugs is the trick task which need to be done. On 17.10.2012 18:51, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think we both want the same thing. The question is how to get it. 1. How to encourage new devs to join? At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real world. As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might have cropped up. 2. We need a stable branch where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch. That is pretty much what we have already. By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things. If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help them push that stability in earlier. We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to wait for the .4. It's on us more than the devs. They are working hard and need our support rather than our criticism. Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there? I like people in here too. I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the world. I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here. We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or Well, tons of valid reasons Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com wrote: From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working? To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42 It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new functions and how many on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the ratio of
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin
This is indeed great news. I especially happy to see the strong German government involvement with 2 ministries. This is great new to promote LO in public organizations and gave me an idea for promotion. I will do my best On 17.10.2012 19:30, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) WH! Superb!! Great news and an excellent announcement! I usually find some minor point to criticise and sometimes worry that detracts from the main messages but this time there was not a single petty thing wrong i could find anywhere. Really great news! 60 million! Over 100 languages! Congrats and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 8:43 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin LibreOffice Conference, Berlin, October 17, 2012 - Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board of The Document Foundation, has officially opened the 2nd LibreOffice Conference (http://conference.libreoffice.org) addressing the authorities and the community members gathered in the capital city of Germany from the five continents. As of today, LibreOffice is being used by close to 60 million people. It is the standard free office suite on all major platforms, available in over 100 languages. Large cities and organizations are deploying it very successfully, more and more schools and universities are rolling it out, and there's not a single month where it is not covered by major media around the globe – because we always have good news to share. The Document Foundation has become a member of leading organizations for free software and open standards, and at the very same time, is widely seen as a the leader in its area, built on strong reputation and credibility. Last but not least, the ecosystem is growing rapidly, as more and more enterprises discover the business benefit of truly free software. We are now a family of thousands of contributors around the globe. I not only have colleagues all over the world, but more important, true friends, and I am honoured to be part of a large family. Everyone with their very own story, their very own background, and their very own skills. Different ages, cultures and languages, all united by one goal: providing the best free office suite ever, and giving power to those who contribute by passion. By living our values day by day, we make possible what we never dared to dream of two years ago. LibreOffice Conference 2012 is hosted by the Federal Ministry of the Interior (http://www.bmi.bund.de) and the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology (http://www.bmwi.de) he Federal Republic of Germany, and Freies Office Deutschland e.V. The event is sponsored by Canonical (http://www.canonical.com), Google (http://www.google.com), SerNet (http://www.sernet.de), bitbone (http://www.bitbone.de), Lanedo (http://www.lanedo.com), Red Hat (http://www.redhat.com) and Univention (http://www.univention.de). The main conference sessions will be broadcast online, while all sessions will be recorded and made available on the conference website. To access both real time and recorded video, the infrastructure team has created a single webpage at http://conference.libreoffice.org/streams. LibreOffice 3.6.2 is available for immediate download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Extensions for LibreOffice are available from the following link: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center. When downloading the software, you might consider about donating some money to The Document Foundation for the development of LibreOffice and the growth of the community, by accessing our donation page at http://donate.libreoffice.org. About The Document Foundation (TDF) The Document Foundation is an open, independent, self-governing, meritocratic organization, which builds on ten years of dedicated work by the OpenOffice.org Community. TDF was created in the belief that the culture born of an independent foundation brings out the best in corporate and volunteer contributors, and will deliver the best free office suite. TDF is open to any individual who agrees with its core values and contributes to its activities, and warmly welcomes corporate participation, e.g. by sponsoring individuals to work as equals alongside other contributors in the community. As of September 30, 2012, TDF has over 150 members and over 3.000 volunteers and contributors worldwide. -- Italo Vignoli - Director phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin
This is indeed great news. I am especially happy to see the strong German government involvement with 2 ministries. This is great new to promote LO in public organizations and gave me an idea for promotion. I will do my best On 17.10.2012 19:30, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) WH! Superb!! Great news and an excellent announcement! I usually find some minor point to criticise and sometimes worry that detracts from the main messages but this time there was not a single petty thing wrong i could find anywhere. Really great news! 60 million! Over 100 languages! Congrats and regards from Tom :) From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org To: annou...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 8:43 Subject: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice Conference opens in Berlin LibreOffice Conference, Berlin, October 17, 2012 - Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board of The Document Foundation, has officially opened the 2nd LibreOffice Conference (http://conference.libreoffice.org) addressing the authorities and the community members gathered in the capital city of Germany from the five continents. As of today, LibreOffice is being used by close to 60 million people. It is the standard free office suite on all major platforms, available in over 100 languages. Large cities and organizations are deploying it very successfully, more and more schools and universities are rolling it out, and there's not a single month where it is not covered by major media around the globe – because we always have good news to share. The Document Foundation has become a member of leading organizations for free software and open standards, and at the very same time, is widely seen as a the leader in its area, built on strong reputation and credibility. Last but not least, the ecosystem is growing rapidly, as more and more enterprises discover the business benefit of truly free software. We are now a family of thousands of contributors around the globe. I not only have colleagues all over the world, but more important, true friends, and I am honoured to be part of a large family. Everyone with their very own story, their very own background, and their very own skills. Different ages, cultures and languages, all united by one goal: providing the best free office suite ever, and giving power to those who contribute by passion. By living our values day by day, we make possible what we never dared to dream of two years ago. LibreOffice Conference 2012 is hosted by the Federal Ministry of the Interior (http://www.bmi.bund.de) and the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology (http://www.bmwi.de) he Federal Republic of Germany, and Freies Office Deutschland e.V. The event is sponsored by Canonical (http://www.canonical.com), Google (http://www.google.com), SerNet (http://www.sernet.de), bitbone (http://www.bitbone.de), Lanedo (http://www.lanedo.com), Red Hat (http://www.redhat.com) and Univention (http://www.univention.de). The main conference sessions will be broadcast online, while all sessions will be recorded and made available on the conference website. To access both real time and recorded video, the infrastructure team has created a single webpage at http://conference.libreoffice.org/streams. LibreOffice 3.6.2 is available for immediate download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Extensions for LibreOffice are available from the following link: http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center. When downloading the software, you might consider about donating some money to The Document Foundation for the development of LibreOffice and the growth of the community, by accessing our donation page at http://donate.libreoffice.org. About The Document Foundation (TDF) The Document Foundation is an open, independent, self-governing, meritocratic organization, which builds on ten years of dedicated work by the OpenOffice.org Community. TDF was created in the belief that the culture born of an independent foundation brings out the best in corporate and volunteer contributors, and will deliver the best free office suite. TDF is open to any individual who agrees with its core values and contributes to its activities, and warmly welcomes corporate participation, e.g. by sponsoring individuals to work as equals alongside other contributors in the community. As of September 30, 2012, TDF has over 150 members and over 3.000 volunteers and contributors worldwide. -- Italo Vignoli - Director phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export
Thanks for your hint. That I don't find anything like Annotate pdf is frustrating. I copy 2 screen shot of the window that opens under File/Export to pdf in my dropbox. Could you please have a look at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47733131/pdf_GeneralTab.gif https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47733131/pdf_UserInterface.gif and tell which checkbox you meant or if there is not such a checkbox at all. On 17.10.2012 18:15, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, When you choose File Export as pdf... a new window appears and on the right there is one chceckbox that says Annotated pdf. Choose it. I am not sure about the english name of that checkbos as I am using LO in Portuguese. All the best. O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 10:05, rost52 escreveu: What do I need to do, to get a pdf-file via file/export to pdf so I can add comments into the pdf-document? On 17.10.2012 17:55, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Thx rost52. I am familiar with the LO pdf export options. If you choose FileExport as PDF... you have all the options that you need to make a good commentable pdf. All the best O. www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 17-10-2012 02:03, rost52 escreveu: I think the pdf is really the best solution. However, your supervisor might want to put comments into the document while reading it. I tested a pdf-document created in writer (LO 3.5.6.2) yesterday but I could not add comments. When I wanted to make the Comment Mark UP toolbar in Adobe Reader (9.5.2) visible, I saw the information Only available when document rights are enabled. I assume that the rights must be given when you create the pdf-document. I know that LO you can create various types of pdf-documents but I don't know how to set the right for comments mark ups. Maybe someone else in this community can explain about such rights and there settings. On 17.10.2012 09:28, Orlando Figueiredo wrote: Hi, Thank you all for the suggestion. I think that the PDF solution might be the best way, although I am not sure if it will be peacefully accepted by my supervisor. The worst case scenario will be me constructing a nem file with png images and keeping the original done with draw in a safe file to edit afterwards. We will see. Thx again, Orlando www.orlandofigueiredo.net LinkedIn/facebook/skype/twitter: of1967 Em 16-10-2012 20:49, Steve Edmonds escreveu: Also, a pdf can be marked up/annotated if your supervisor only needs to comment and not actually edit. With a PDF you are also assured that your supervisor will see the exact layout that you see and not have the layout reflowed due to some slight font or other difference (as has happened with me). Steve On 2012-10-17 08:40, anne-ology wrote: sounds like the sensible way to go :-) On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi :) How about side-stepping the issue and use File - Export to Pdf Does the supervisor need to edit the document? If so it's a non-starter but generally Pdfs are viewed as being more professional. Everyone sees Pdfs the same, the layout is the same and everything. Errr, fonts sometimes not quite identical unless you print to file and then select Pdf instead of Ps. I think. Anyway Pdf generally gets around that sort of issue. Also LibreOffice has more options for exporting as Pdf, such as doing uncompressed ones for better quality. Word is really bad with graphics and doesn't have the range of Anchor to page and so on that LO has. Also it kinda falls over if it has too many graphics. Jpg can mess up images a little by making them be a bit swirly but usually it's tolerable. Png tends to be a better format. However by creating a Pdf you might even impress your supervisor. Regards from Tom :) From: Orlando Figueiredo of1...@gmail.com To: Libreoffice Global List users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 15:19 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Images and *doc export Hello, I am writing a long document (my thesis) using LibreOffice and I have a lot of images (more than 50 on the 200 pages that the document) have). All images were made with LO Draw. I scanned portions of the documents that I am analysing and glue them with Draw, usually put a line framing the images our group of images when it is ready I select all the objects, group them and copy/past them to writer. Until here everything works smoothly. The problem comes when I try to export the document to a doc word (which I can not avoid has it has to be read by my supervisor and she does not use LO but M$ Office). All the export goes great except for the images that are not exported and do not appear in the *doc document. Can anyone help me with this? I understand that I can go to LO Draw, save the images as jpg and insert them in the Writer document, but if it is possible to solve this in another way that does not give me more stupid work to do I would appreciate.
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind Regards, Joel On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind Regards, Joel Another problem for all programs in wide release is wide hardware variability in the Windows and Linux worlds especially when compared to Macs. There could be a very odd hardware/driver interaction that was never discovered in alpha, beta, or release candidate previews with specific hardware combinations. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing option. I also checked the Index Properties and File Contents in the Indexing Option in Windows. When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt and odp. Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I updated to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any workaround? Tea -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing catch up and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to prioritize bugs and take care of those bugs that are a) most annoying b) affecting the most users c) resulting in data loss We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being young, this is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how much work is done on a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code tracker), or sit in IRC and look at the incredibly brilliant conversations that happen to find solutions to many of the problems that are being reported. Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER DAY. Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. Each of these bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, ensure that it's not a duplicate, communicate with the user who reported it, and then priortize it. That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then it gets put into the stack where a very small group of dedicated developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug can take a week + to tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 10 hours (a massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to tackle the 5,000 or so confirmed bugs. Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local community college, or take a free online course, and start to put their thoughts to work on our code. Regards, Joel On 10/17/2012 10:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote: On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote: ... Thanks :-) maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-) This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind Regards, Joel Another problem for all programs in wide release is wide hardware variability in the Windows and Linux worlds especially when compared to Macs. There could be a very odd hardware/driver interaction that was never discovered in alpha, beta, or release candidate previews with specific hardware combinations. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: BRAVO Anne-Ology!! Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January: they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions and especially the LibO-Help. Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user. Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any (re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result of an increasing activity on this list. I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because I have better to do than struggle with problems. I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base. It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions 3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x Pertti Rönnberg On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote: This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until ALL these bugs are worked out - then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I don't have the hassles of these bugs ;-) On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest teatim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the contents of documents are not indexed for search. I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt
