[libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections

2013-07-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 07/07/13 21:37, Mark LaPierre a écrit :

Hi Mark,


 
 Any suggestions on how to proceed from here?  Do I just copy and paste
 the data from the spreadsheet directly into the mySQL table?
 

You could try this :

1) Open your ODB file, click on the Tables icon so that you can see the
list of tables in your mysqldb.

2) Now open your Calc spreaadsheet.

3) In the top left hand corner of your spreadsheet, click on the on the
grey corner square/rectangle so that the whole sheet gets selected.

4) Now drag and drop the whole sheet to the space where your mysql table
list is visible within the ODB container and the copy data assistant
should start up. Bear in mind that the assistant doesn't always
recognize and set field types correctly when converting from Calc to
Base, so you will have to check this before validating the creation of
the table, otherwise you may end up with truncated data in your table or
some funky odd stuff. The most problematic ones seem to be date/datetime
strings. If you have images pasted in your spreadsheet cells as part of
your data set, these will not be converted to binary large objects by
the assistant.

HTH,

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Nagy Ákos

Hi,

I know this book:
http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/whitepapers/Creating_large_documents_with_OOo.odt
It's an old book, and is writed for OpenOffice, but the most important 
part is the same, and you can reuse in LibreOffice.


I know an another book for you, but it's exists only in Hungarian:
http://numbertext.org/libreoffice/libreoffice.pdf
is a hybrid PDF, the PDF file contains the source of the book in ODT 
format. Probably you don't understand it, but can see come stuff that 
can do with LibreOffice and Graphite technology.


2013.07.08. 7:34 keltezéssel, Pablo Dotro írta:

Greetings!

I am beginning a large writing project, that will most probably take 
the form of a self published, free ebook. And while I have created 
very long, complex documents before, I have never formatted them as a 
book.
Having been using word processing software for a living for the last 
15 years or so, I thought myself as power user enough to take the 
next step and try to create my document relying on Writer's features 
and not depending on someone else to typeset the material.
However, after reading both the Getting Started and the Writer 
Guide, I am convinced that it is possible. Heh, the mere existance of 
those books is proof enough ;-) But I find that there is a gap between 
the techniques described there for working with templates, styles and 
master documents... and the actual craft needed to make them work. A 
quick look to the odt files themselves convinced me of that.
So after some googling and a disappointint amazon search on books on 
this subject, I come here to rely on our collective knowledge, with a 
question:


Does anyone know about a tutorial, book or website where I can 
specifically learn about creating a book-lenght document, with 
chapters (as subdocuments) and a master document, consistent styling, 
indexing and table of contents with Libreoffice?


Thnk you very much for your time, and best regards,




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Unknown Infection

2013-07-08 Thread Barry Smith
I just received the following response from trex5...@aol.com directly to me.

Sending it to the list.  Wanted it on the same thread, thus the
copy-paste of his response.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM,  trex5...@aol.com wrote:
 Thank you, it was a false alarm. I used AVG 2013. The virus database was
 3204/6473. I am terribly sorry if this has caused any concern. I didn't pay
 attention carefully to the How To Report section on the LibreOffice website.
 Used the wrong link haha. I'll refer to the security link on the website
 next time. Thank you and I appreciate your understanding.

 Regards,
 Trex5473


I also received the response directly to me instead of the list, with
good information.  Copy-paste again.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 I have heard of anti-virus packages in the past having a false positive for
 a part of LO system.  But it has been maybe 6 months to a year since I have
 heard of one doing this, if my memory is correct.

 Yes, we need the anti-virus package name and what it states is the virus
 involved.

 To be honest, it could be a virus that infected the file on/by his/her
 system so it would activate every time LO starts up, instead of the file
 being download with the infection.

 I know that I run anti virus on my most active systems daily automatically
 so I can keep infections off my system.  I even have my Linux system run its
 anti virus starting before hours midnight nightly.  With 3 drives totaling
 of up to 5 TB of storage space, sometimes it does not finish till after I
 have breakfast.  I keep my Windows laptops protected by Comodo Internet
 Security Suite - the free version - and run other security package weekly
 and/or monthly.  Windows users need all the protection they can get to stop
 all of those nasties that people are getting every day or so.

Peace,
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e scs.bns...@gmail.com
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Marc Grober
I have seen quote a bit of argument against using a master document for
a book as I was exploring this subject just recently as well.  The help
docs of course are a good place to start.
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Master_Documents_and_Subdocuments

There are a number of different tools for moving from LO to epub.  There
is the new eLAIX extension, Writer2epub, and you can also export as
docxml and then use pandoc which will create epub3 docs for you. I used
to use eScape but that is no longer supported, though it still works.
The folk at infogridpacific looked like they were going to move it to an
online service but it looks like that project was killed and that they
are concentrating on their Digital publisher solution.

On 7/8/13 5:44 AM, Nagy Ákos wrote:
 Hi,

 I know this book:
 http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/whitepapers/Creating_large_documents_with_OOo.odt

 It's an old book, and is writed for OpenOffice, but the most important
 part is the same, and you can reuse in LibreOffice.

 I know an another book for you, but it's exists only in Hungarian:
 http://numbertext.org/libreoffice/libreoffice.pdf
 is a hybrid PDF, the PDF file contains the source of the book in ODT
 format. Probably you don't understand it, but can see come stuff that
 can do with LibreOffice and Graphite technology.

 2013.07.08. 7:34 keltezéssel, Pablo Dotro írta:
 Greetings!

 I am beginning a large writing project, that will most probably take
 the form of a self published, free ebook. And while I have created
 very long, complex documents before, I have never formatted them as a
 book.
 Having been using word processing software for a living for the last
 15 years or so, I thought myself as power user enough to take the
 next step and try to create my document relying on Writer's features
 and not depending on someone else to typeset the material.
 However, after reading both the Getting Started and the Writer
 Guide, I am convinced that it is possible. Heh, the mere existance
 of those books is proof enough ;-) But I find that there is a gap
 between the techniques described there for working with templates,
 styles and master documents... and the actual craft needed to make
 them work. A quick look to the odt files themselves convinced me of
 that.
 So after some googling and a disappointint amazon search on books on
 this subject, I come here to rely on our collective knowledge, with a
 question:

 Does anyone know about a tutorial, book or website where I can
 specifically learn about creating a book-lenght document, with
 chapters (as subdocuments) and a master document, consistent styling,
 indexing and table of contents with Libreoffice?

 Thnk you very much for your time, and best regards,





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[libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Marino / WellnessWebshop.se
Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible: 
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here I must 
have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. The path is always 
the same, but the name of the image is individual for each product. My idea is 
to have one column with name of the path, lets say column “A” includes the name 
of the path “data/” and column “B” has the name of the image “12345” and column 
“C” has the name for the file extansion “.jpg” or “.png”. 

So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts together, so 
column “D” would include facts from column “A”+”B”+”C”, so in column “D” I can 
see “data/12345.jpg”.

Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use =CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).
Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here I must 
have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. The path is always 
the same, but the name of the image is individual for each product. My idea is 
to have one column with name of the path, lets say column “A” includes the name 
of the path “data/” and column “B” has the name of the image “12345” and column 
“C” has the name for the file extansion “.jpg” or “.png”.

So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts together, so 
column “D” would include facts from column “A”+”B”+”C”, so in column “D” I can 
see “data/12345.jpg”.

Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Carl Paulsen
And then, in the interest of being complete, you of course need to copy 
and paste that formula to all relevant rows...

Carl


On 7/8/13 1:46 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use =CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).
Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here 
I must have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. 
The path is always the same, but the name of the image is individual 
for each product. My idea is to have one column with name of the 
path, lets say column “A” includes the name of the path “data/” and 
column “B” has the name of the image “12345” and column “C” has the 
name for the file extansion “.jpg” or “.png”.


So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts 
together, so column “D” would include facts from column “A”+”B”+”C”, 
so in column “D” I can see “data/12345.jpg”.


Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Marino / WellnessWebshop.se

Thanks Steve!

Ive tried this now, but I got Err:501 for this. Any idea why?

Best regards,
Marino

-Ursprungligt meddelande- 
From: Steve Edmonds

Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:46 PM
To: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use =CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).
Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here I 
must have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. The path 
is always the same, but the name of the image is individual for each 
product. My idea is to have one column with name of the path, lets say 
column “A” includes the name of the path “data/” and column “B” has the 
name of the image “12345” and column “C” has the name for the file 
extansion “.jpg” or “.png”.


So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts together, so 
column “D” would include facts from column “A”+”B”+”C”, so in column “D” I 
can see “data/12345.jpg”.


Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Errol Goetsch

err501 means the formula was written incorrectly.
here is a working example of what Steve and Carl said
Errol

On 2013/07/08 09:57 PM, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Thanks Steve!

Ive tried this now, but I got Err:501 for this. Any idea why?

Best regards,
Marino

-Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Steve Edmonds
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:46 PM
To: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use =CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).
Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here 
I must have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. 
The path is always the same, but the name of the image is individual 
for each product. My idea is to have one column with name of the 
path, lets say column A includes the name of the path data/ and 
column B has the name of the image 12345 and column C has the 
name for the file extansion .jpg or .png.


So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts 
together, so column D would include facts from column A+B+C, 
so in column D I can see data/12345.jpg.


Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson







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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Virgil Arrington
I'll probably be (justifiably) ostracized for this on a LO user list, but to 
me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square 
peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not 
be worth it. In my mind, Writer is a business application, useful for 
letters, memos, legal documents, school reports, and the like. While I love 
working with LO's styles (which would be essential for book writing), I find 
LO's implementation of master documents to be too involved and clunky for my 
taste.


For organizing a book length document, with parts, chapters, and tables, 
indexes, and sub-documents, etc, I much prefer LyX and LaTeX, both of which 
are free and opensource. Yes, the LaTeX learning curve can be steep, but LyX 
makes it so much easier. You can type away and let the computer do the 
formatting, just by selecting the Book class. Unlike the business oriented 
LO, LyX and LaTeX were created specifically for making long documents such 
as books. Round hole, round peg. The biggest drawback is that changing 
default formatting settings can be daunting for the uninitiated. But, if you 
accept the defaults, you'll still have a beautifully formatted book with 
*much* less effort than you would with LO.


For example, several years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself to 
type a 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel Writers Month. 
He met his goal, and quickly dropped the project.


As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He wrote the 
original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray tabs, 
carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and section 
headings. I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel using 
WordPerfect, the original program. It didn't take long for me to realize it 
would take days and days to wade through all of the formatting codes 
inserted by WP.


Instead, I saved the document as a plain text file, stripping all 
formatting. I then loaded it into LyX. Using the Book class (think 
template), I applied Part and Chapter styles, (called environments in 
LaTeX speak) to the part and chapter titles, and then inserted a fully 
formatted, numbered, and typed table of contents with a couple mouse clicks. 
I set NO page formatting parameters such as page margins, page numbering, 
etc., as those were handled entirely by the Book class. I then compiled the 
book and had a fully formatted novel, complete with Title page, Table of 
Contents, properly formatted right and left hand pages with fully formatted 
headers with page numbers, etc. The entire formatting process took about a 
half hour. I surprised even myself.


I could have done the same thing with LO's styles and master documents, but 
they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so it would have longer.


So far, however, I've found LyX/LaTeX's support for e-books to be a little 
lacking (but no more so than LO's). For storing documents in an e-book 
format (whether Nook's Epub, or Kindle's MOBI), the best solution that I've 
found is Atlantis (a $35.00 shareware program). It is a Word clone word 
processor that supports direct export to Epub and MOBI with preservation of 
nearly all formatting. Every other solution I've tried (including LO, LyX, 
and Markdown editors) screws up formatting to some degree or another. 
Atlantis does 90% of what I need in a word processor, with the sole 
exception of tables.


In short, while I love LO, I honestly think there are better tools for the 
task of book and e-book writing.


Virgil



2013.07.08. 7:34 keltezéssel, Pablo Dotro írta:

Greetings!

I am beginning a large writing project, that will most probably take the 
form of a self published, free ebook. And while I have created very long, 
complex documents before, I have never formatted them as a book.
Having been using word processing software for a living for the last 15 
years or so, I thought myself as power user enough to take the next step 
and try to create my document relying on Writer's features and not 
depending on someone else to typeset the material.
However, after reading both the Getting Started and the Writer Guide, 
I am convinced that it is possible. Heh, the mere existance of those books 
is proof enough ;-) But I find that there is a gap between the techniques 
described there for working with templates, styles and master documents... 
and the actual craft needed to make them work. A quick look to the odt 
files themselves convinced me of that.
So after some googling and a disappointint amazon search on books on this 
subject, I come here to rely on our collective knowledge, with a question:


Does anyone know about a tutorial, book or website where I can 
specifically learn about creating a book-lenght document, with chapters 
(as subdocuments) and a master document, consistent styling, indexing and 
table of contents with Libreoffice?


Thnk you very much for your time, and best regards,




--
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Errol Goetsch
oops, perhaps attachments get stripped out on this list. I've now sent 
the example direct to Marino.

Errol


On 2013/07/08 10:10 PM, Errol Goetsch wrote:

err501 means the formula was written incorrectly.
here is a working example of what Steve and Carl said
Errol

On 2013/07/08 09:57 PM, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Thanks Steve!

Ive tried this now, but I got Err:501 for this. Any idea why?

Best regards,
Marino

-Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Steve Edmonds
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:46 PM
To: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use 
=CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).

Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. 
Here I must have the name of all images and its path and file 
extansion. The path is always the same, but the name of the image is 
individual for each product. My idea is to have one column with name 
of the path, lets say column A includes the name of the path 
data/ and column B has the name of the image 12345 and column 
C has the name for the file extansion .jpg or .png.


So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts 
together, so column D would include facts from column A+B+C, 
so in column D I can see data/12345.jpg.


Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


Best regards,
Marino Assarsson










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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:

 but to 
 me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square 
 peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not 
 be worth it.

I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing a 
book.

As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both sucks. 
They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character 
descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story (this 
is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with nice 
note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs 
you do not have to.

As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced 
separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than Writer. 
Agreed.

But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them. 
If you learn your tools and think in advance, create decent-looking long 
document in Writer can be done with little hassle.

I have created and edited some long (100+ pages) documents in Writer and never 
seen anything in LaTeX that would be a dealbreaker for me. If anywhere, I 
would go to full-fledged DTP suite such as Adobe InDesign.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Virgil Arrington

Miroslaw,

You're right; I did merge *writing* and *publishing*. To that end, let me 
muddy the waters even more by mentioning yWriter, a software program 
designed specifically and solely for writing novels with many of the tools 
you suggest. The frustration that I've found is that there are some 
publishing (or formatting) tasks that are best handled completely separate 
from writing, such as page layout, font selection, table of contents 
generation, etc. However, I find other formatting tasks are better handled 
on the fly while typing, such as applying italics to a word. Sometimes, I 
find seeing the paragraph layout onscreen helpful to organizing my thoughts, 
which of course you won't see with a strict text editor or pure LaTeX 
editor. At least LyX helps by showing some formatting onscreen.


Anytime I use a program like yWriter, I end up spending a lot of time later 
applying formatting that I could have applied on the fly with a decent word 
processor. That may not be a concern for a person whose work will be 
published, and therefore formatted, by someone else, like a professional 
publishing house. But, the original poster mentioned self-publishing an 
e-book.


Virgil

-Original Message- 
From: Mirosław Zalewski

Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:51 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:


but to
me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square
peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not
be worth it.


I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing 
a

book.

As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both 
sucks.

They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character
descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story 
(this
is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with 
nice

note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs
you do not have to.

As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced
separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than 
Writer.

Agreed.

But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them.
If you learn your tools and think in advance, create decent-looking long
document in Writer can be done with little hassle.

I have created and edited some long (100+ pages) documents in Writer and 
never

seen anything in LaTeX that would be a dealbreaker for me. If anywhere, I
would go to full-fledged DTP suite such as Adobe InDesign.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

2013-07-08 Thread Marino / WellnessWebshop.se

THANKS!
This works perfect! Exactly as I want it to work - you have saved many hours 
for me :-)


Kind regards,
Marino

-Ursprungligt meddelande- 
From: Errol Goetsch

Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 11:27 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

oops, perhaps attachments get stripped out on this list. I've now sent
the example direct to Marino.
Errol


On 2013/07/08 10:10 PM, Errol Goetsch wrote:

err501 means the formula was written incorrectly.
here is a working example of what Steve and Carl said
Errol

On 2013/07/08 09:57 PM, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Thanks Steve!

Ive tried this now, but I got Err:501 for this. Any idea why?

Best regards,
Marino

-Ursprungligt meddelande- From: Steve Edmonds
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:46 PM
To: Marino / WellnessWebshop.se
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Info from 3 cells merged into 1

Hi.
In the cell D1 where you want the result, you use =CONCATENATE(A1,B1,C1).
Steve
On 2013-07-09 05:31, Marino / WellnessWebshop.se wrote:

Hi!

I woud like to know if following is possible:
I am about to create an importfile for my products in a webshop. Here I 
must have the name of all images and its path and file extansion. The 
path is always the same, but the name of the image is individual for 
each product. My idea is to have one column with name of the path, lets 
say column A includes the name of the path data/ and column B has 
the name of the image 12345 and column C has the name for the file 
extansion .jpg or .png.


So far all is ok. But now I would like to have these 3 facts together, 
so column D would include facts from column A+B+C, so in column 
D I can see data/12345.jpg.


Is there a way to make this happen?

- Thanks in advance!


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Re: [libreoffice-users] template menu

2013-07-08 Thread rost52
It is good to see that there are more LibO users who don't understand the 
improvements concerning
templates from 3.6 to 4.0. Since a few weeks I try to understand it and still 
struggle. The only
advantage is that I immediately can see thumbnails and this is combined with 
the disadvantage that
the full name of the template is not visible.

I hope that someone is brave enough and rethinks the advantages of the old 
template manager (up to
3.6) and creates a real good one even if this one looks and functions more like 
the one until 3.6

Reinhold
.
On 04.07.2013 21:23, Virgil Arrington wrote:
 I confess that I don't understand this type of improvement in software 
 development. It's sort of
 like when MS decided that users couldn’t understand the Windows menu 
 structure that had been used
 for two decades and gave us the ribbon.

 The LO/OO method of organizing templates has been around for...what, ten ... 
 fifteen years now? If
 I'm not mistaken it goes all the way back to StarOffice. Long time users have 
 grown accustomed to
 it. So, what would prompt someone to think it needs fixing? Was there a 
 survey showing that a ton
 of new people would suddenly start using LO if it would only change its 
 goofy way of organizing
 templates?

 I know people are always resistant to change; it took me a couple years to 
 abandon DOS in favor of
 Windows. And, over time, I may get to like the new template menu placement 
 (if I ever reinstall LO
 4 after going back to 3.6.6).

 But to change a working menu structure just because we can? I just don't get 
 it.

 Virgil

 -Original Message- From: Tim Lloyd
 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:49 AM
 To: Thomas Blasejewicz
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] template menu

 Hi Thomas,

 I have to admit this confused me also. I don't know whether you can
 simply organize anymore. From the manual:

 To begin, choose *File  **New  **Templates***from the Menu bar to
 openthe Template Manager dialog.


 http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/published-lo-4.0/wg4-0-ch10-templates/view

 At this point you can add, modify, delete and move!

 Cheers

 On 07/04/2013 02:38 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:
 Good afternoon
 The last few days I upgraded from 3.6 something to 4.0.4.
 And this morning I noticed the template menu is gone.

 One of my computers has still 3.6 on it and there it is under Files -
 Templates.
 That's also where the extension items for the extension template
 changer appeared.

 After along search I found, that the template changer can now only be
 found in an unmarked grave
 = empty white space with a black triangle at its right margin BELOW File
 - Exit.

 But so far I was not able to find anything like Templates - Organize
 anywhere.

 Where is this now???
 Or has the software advanced so far, that creating, deleting, organizing
 templates etc. is now a thing of the past?

 Thank you.
 Thomas





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Pablo Dotro

Hello Virgil!

On 08/07/13 17:58, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I'll probably be (justifiably) ostracized for this on a LO user list, 
but to me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to 
force a square peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the 
labor involved may not be worth it. In my mind, Writer is a business 
application, useful for letters, memos, legal documents, school 
reports, and the like. While I love working with LO's styles (which 
would be essential for book writing), I find LO's implementation of 
master documents to be too involved and clunky for my taste.

Hehehe. Don't worry, I won't ostracize you.


For organizing a book length document, with parts, chapters, and 
tables, indexes, and sub-documents, etc, I much prefer LyX and LaTeX, 
both of which are free and opensource. Yes, the LaTeX learning curve 
can be steep, but LyX makes it so much easier. You can type away and 
let the computer do the formatting, just by selecting the Book class. 
Unlike the business oriented LO, LyX and LaTeX were created 
specifically for making long documents such as books. Round hole, 
round peg. The biggest drawback is that changing default formatting 
settings can be daunting for the uninitiated. But, if you accept the 
defaults, you'll still have a beautifully formatted book with *much* 
less effort than you would with LO.


I know... I am familiar with LaTeX and LyX. My day job is at the Physics 
Deptartment at a local Univesity, and we use them a lot for reports and 
papers. My problem is that I *do* want to give my document a distinctive 
visual format, with nice typography and so on... and writinf a LaTeX 
class or the LyX equivalent is beyond my skill level.
And since I am not that fluent with LaTeX (I've personally never wrote 
anything complex with it), I wanted to use a more point-and-click 
approach, to able to focus on my subject matter and not so much in 
learning new tools at the same time.
Another reason is that the small printing houses around here who may be 
able to do some small self publish job for me are all set up for files 
in PDF or MS Word .doc format. My experience with LaTeX to Word 
conversion is that the result is quite ugly.


For example, several years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself 
to type a 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel 
Writers Month. He met his goal, and quickly dropped the project.


As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He wrote the 
original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray 
tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and 
section headings. I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel 
using WordPerfect, the original program. It didn't take long for me to 
realize it would take days and days to wade through all of the 
formatting codes inserted by WP.


Instead, I saved the document as a plain text file, stripping all 
formatting. I then loaded it into LyX. Using the Book class (think 
template), I applied Part and Chapter styles, (called environments 
in LaTeX speak) to the part and chapter titles, and then inserted a 
fully formatted, numbered, and typed table of contents with a couple 
mouse clicks. I set NO page formatting parameters such as page 
margins, page numbering, etc., as those were handled entirely by the 
Book class. I then compiled the book and had a fully formatted novel, 
complete with Title page, Table of Contents, properly formatted right 
and left hand pages with fully formatted headers with page numbers, 
etc. The entire formatting process took about a half hour. I surprised 
even myself.



Uh WP. That brings back memories ;-)
In that specific case, I too would have turned to LaTeX. And don't take 
me wrong, I fully appreciate the need to separate format from content in 
a project this size.


I could have done the same thing with LO's styles and master 
documents, but they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so 
it would have longer.


So far, however, I've found LyX/LaTeX's support for e-books to be a 
little lacking (but no more so than LO's). For storing documents in an 
e-book format (whether Nook's Epub, or Kindle's MOBI), the best 
solution that I've found is Atlantis (a $35.00 shareware program). It 
is a Word clone word processor that supports direct export to Epub and 
MOBI with preservation of nearly all formatting. Every other solution 
I've tried (including LO, LyX, and Markdown editors) screws up 
formatting to some degree or another. Atlantis does 90% of what I need 
in a word processor, with the sole exception of tables.


In short, while I love LO, I honestly think there are better tools for 
the task of book and e-book writing.


I thank you for your time and effort. I would prefer to stick to using 
LO... I seriously considered turning to LaTeX, but I truly feel a little 
overwhelmed with the amount of learning I would need to do in order to 
reach the same formatting proficiency I have 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Pablo Dotro

Hi!

On 08/07/13 18:51, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:

On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote:


but to
me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square
peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not
be worth it.

I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing a
book.

As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both sucks.
They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character
descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story (this
is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with nice
note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs
you do not have to.
Heh, you are right. Even if this is more of a technical writing project 
than a novel, None of these tools are really focused on the high level 
creative process. Both are tools for creating the output of said 
process. My approach is to keep detailed paper notes ;-)

As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced
separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than Writer.
Agreed.

But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them.
If you learn your tools and think in advance, create decent-looking long
document in Writer can be done with little hassle.

I have created and edited some long (100+ pages) documents in Writer and never
seen anything in LaTeX that would be a dealbreaker for me. If anywhere, I
would go to full-fledged DTP suite such as Adobe InDesign.
That's my problem. I do not want LaTeX defaults. I want a distinctive 
format appealing to not only the geeky tech/science community, but to 
people who are not into technology. LaTeX produces beautiful output... 
but it's too serious for my target audience. The Right Thing to do, if 
this would have been a commercial or for-hire job, would be to hire a 
designer to use DTP tools and typeset my text. but it's not, and it's 
just me, so I am trying to get the most out of my experience and 
training ;-)
Anyway, thanks for trying to help. I really appreciate the response of 
the community :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Pablo Dotro

On 08/07/13 10:44, Nagy Ákos wrote:

Hi,

I know this book:
http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/whitepapers/Creating_large_documents_with_OOo.odt

It's an old book, and is writed for OpenOffice, but the most important
part is the same, and you can reuse in LibreOffice.

I know an another book for you, but it's exists only in Hungarian:
http://numbertext.org/libreoffice/libreoffice.pdf
is a hybrid PDF, the PDF file contains the source of the book in ODT
format. Probably you don't understand it, but can see come stuff that
can do with LibreOffice and Graphite technology.

You are right, Hungarian is not my thing hehehe. But I downloaded your 
first suggestion, and it's very informative. Thank you very much!
When this is over, if I manage to get it right, I will write a how-to 
document with my experience ;-)

Again, thanks for the references!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Pablo Dotro

On 08/07/13 14:30, Marc Grober wrote:

I have seen quote a bit of argument against using a master document for
a book as I was exploring this subject just recently as well.  The help
docs of course are a good place to start.
https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Master_Documents_and_Subdocuments

There are a number of different tools for moving from LO to epub.  There
is the new eLAIX extension, Writer2epub, and you can also export as
docxml and then use pandoc which will create epub3 docs for you. I used
to use eScape but that is no longer supported, though it still works.
The folk at infogridpacific looked like they were going to move it to an
online service but it looks like that project was killed and that they
are concentrating on their Digital publisher solution.



Hi!
Thanks. I went through that. It's well written. It helped me to 
understand the concept. But It's a little shy on the actual practice. 
I've been experimenting with templates and a set of test documents, with 
mixed results.


I notice that master documents tend to elicit a love-hate relationship: 
some people think they are The Right Thing, others that they are worse 
than accepting a ring from Sauron hehehe. I had bad experiences dabbling 
with them in MS Word a few years ago, and I never touched them again.
I've also experienced that Writer is a lot more stable than MS Word when 
dealing with very long documents and complex formatting (embedded 
images, tables, crossreferences, etc.), but I never have used it for 
anything over 100-120 pages long.
I expect my current assignment to reach around 500 pages easily, with 
math, complex tables and so on. When I read the Writer's Guide, I came 
across the suggestion that a master document and chapter subdocuments 
where the preferred way to tackle long, complext texts. In any case, I 
am aware that I will need a lot of planning, careful styling and no 
direct formatting to make it work, either as a single file or using a 
master document.


As for publishing... I was thinking plain PDF export with no DRM. Epub 
is an interesting option. On the print side... small printing houses 
down here, the ones that accept material for self publishing, demand MS 
Word .doc format, so that was another reason for me to chose Writer 
instead of a full DTP or plain text format.

Anyway, thanks for the tips. I'll keep digging ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

2013-07-08 Thread Pablo Dotro

Hi!

On 08/07/13 21:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:


Anytime I use a program like yWriter, I end up spending a lot of time 
later applying formatting that I could have applied on the fly with a 
decent word processor. That may not be a concern for a person whose 
work will be published, and therefore formatted, by someone else, like 
a professional publishing house. But, the original poster mentioned 
self-publishing an e-book.


Virgil

It seems the ideal software does not yet exist hehe. Maybe some day, 
when LO gets a more widespread user base, we will see an extension or 
extension set that could bridge the gap between full fledged word 
processing/design and the kind of writing aids that are needed to help 
us tell a good story, or create a consistent document without copious 
paper notes or auxiliary databases ;-).


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base DB Connections

2013-07-08 Thread Mark LaPierre

On 07/08/2013 02:45 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 07/07/13 21:37, Mark LaPierre a écrit :

Hi Mark,




Any suggestions on how to proceed from here?  Do I just copy and paste
the data from the spreadsheet directly into the mySQL table?



You could try this :

1) Open your ODB file, click on the Tables icon so that you can see the
list of tables in your mysqldb.

2) Now open your Calc spreaadsheet.

3) In the top left hand corner of your spreadsheet, click on the on the
grey corner square/rectangle so that the whole sheet gets selected.

4) Now drag and drop the whole sheet to the space where your mysql table
list is visible within the ODB container and the copy data assistant
should start up. Bear in mind that the assistant doesn't always
recognize and set field types correctly when converting from Calc to
Base, so you will have to check this before validating the creation of
the table, otherwise you may end up with truncated data in your table or
some funky odd stuff. The most problematic ones seem to be date/datetime
strings. If you have images pasted in your spreadsheet cells as part of
your data set, these will not be converted to binary large objects by
the assistant.

HTH,

Alex




Okay, that worked pretty well.  It's still not a good solution because, 
to make it work with the multitude of spreadsheets that I have, I have 
to import each one by dragging and dropping then spending several 
minutes defining all the data types to match the internal table that I 
want to import the data into.  This would be so much easier if I could 
link to the external spreadsheet, import the data from it, then copy the 
new spreadsheet to the same name/location as the linked file, start up 
the LO-BASE and import that batch of data into the SQL back end.


I get a new spreadsheet every week with some duplication of data on each 
sheet from what was on the previous sheet.  I don't want to copy and 
paste the duplicate data into the main table.  I'll have to think about 
this one for a while.


Thank you for the solution Alex.  It's a good start to what I hope is a 
workable solution.


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[libreoffice-users] Cloister Font.

2013-07-08 Thread John Boyle
To USERS: I asked this question earlier about how to find just that one 
font, but I did not make it clear what I had already done. First I use a 
Windows 7- 64 bit system, with libre office 4.0 suite. I have tried a 
Google search and ended up with getting a installation package of 
several programs, NONE of which I needed and then finding out that the 
package did not even include the font I wanted. I would like to have one 
font titled Cloister and, short of buying a Print Master program or 
Print shop , I have no way of knowing how to get that Font, and, 
clearly, do not want five or six other programs cluttering up the 
system.can anyone tell me how I can go about doing this?


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