[libreoffice-users] chart help

2014-01-25 Thread James
I have 2 questions related to charts.
Say I have 2 columns: date and value
2 Rows Jan, 1
and Mar 3.

Q1. I want the x-axis to increment by month.

Q2. I want to only display the x-axis labels for the data points I have.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] malfunzione

2014-01-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:27:33 +1000
Peter West li...@pbw.id.au wrote:

Hello Peter,

I can't see what you mean about having to squeeze an extra row
(column?) onto the page. You have the same number of columsn whether
you start at 31 or 1.

Consider a 31 day month starting on Friday.  It will end up looking like
this;

Sunday,  Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
1   2
 3   456  7 8   9
10  11   12   13 1415  16
17  18   19   20 2122  23
24  25   26   37 2829  30
31

Note that this takes six rows for the dates, but if the 31 is added at
the top row, you only need five rows;

Sunday,  Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
31  1   2
 3   456  7 8   9
10  11   12   13 1415  16
17  18   19   20 2122  23
24  25   26   37 2829  30

This increases the space available to users to write info, appointments
etc. in each day, assuming each row is expanded slightly to fill the
page.  Admittedly, this might be of limited usefulness for a
spreadsheet, but if the data gets printed to a sheet of paper, the extra
space for each day's box often proves useful.

It seems to me that the OP was worried about the layout unnecessarily,
as the sheet's design must have taken the date ordering into account for
performing any calculations.

Of course, given that the original post was in a language I don't read,
I may have missed some of the subtleties of that post as a result of
working only from Tom's translation.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] malfunzione

2014-01-25 Thread Peter West
Thanks Brad,

I follow that, but that doesn't seem to be what the OP was saying.


Peter West

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him.

On 25 Jan 2014, at 9:53 pm, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:

 On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 09:27:33 +1000
 Peter West li...@pbw.id.au wrote:
 
 Hello Peter,
 
 I can't see what you mean about having to squeeze an extra row
 (column?) onto the page. You have the same number of columsn whether
 you start at 31 or 1.
 
 Consider a 31 day month starting on Friday.  It will end up looking like
 this;
 
 Sunday,  Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
1   2
 3   456  7 8   9
 10  11   12   13 1415  16
 17  18   19   20 2122  23
 24  25   26   37 2829  30
 31
 
 Note that this takes six rows for the dates, but if the 31 is added at
 the top row, you only need five rows;
 
 Sunday,  Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
 31  1   2
 3   456  7 8   9
 10  11   12   13 1415  16
 17  18   19   20 2122  23
 24  25   26   37 2829  30
 
 This increases the space available to users to write info, appointments
 etc. in each day, assuming each row is expanded slightly to fill the
 page.  Admittedly, this might be of limited usefulness for a
 spreadsheet, but if the data gets printed to a sheet of paper, the extra
 space for each day's box often proves useful.
 
 It seems to me that the OP was worried about the layout unnecessarily,
 as the sheet's design must have taken the date ordering into account for
 performing any calculations.
 
 Of course, given that the original post was in a language I don't read,
 I may have missed some of the subtleties of that post as a result of
 working only from Tom's translation.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Just joined the list- users having trouble with gnome panels when using LibreOffice

2014-01-25 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 01/24/2014 04:38 PM, Tony Godshall wrote:

We generally recommend you install from PPA's not from the website. Our
debian packages on the website are not packaged explicitly for Ubuntu --
much better to stick to PPA's which are packaged by Bjoern (Canonical
employee) specifically for Ubuntu. If I were you, I'd purge LIbreOffice
completely and install through ppa without OpenOffice installed.

...


I never heard of the PPA over website version install recommendation
before.

quote

Most of the packages in this PPA have only experienced minor testing
-- in fact it is the place to enable a wider audience to test packages
before they are published into the distro proper. In general, this PPA
is _not_ for the average user to install without a closer look (if it
would be, its packages would be in the main repositories). OTOH, it is
_way_ _better_ to use packages from this PPA than using the *.deb
files that The Document Foundation provides upstream. So, _if_ you
want to be on the bleeding edge, do it here, not with upstream
*.debs.

end quote from https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa

...



That is the problem with PPAs, the bleeding edge version.

I would never recommend the PPA to people because it is the bleeding 
edge version.  I only recommend the versions of LO that have .4 or 
larger at its tail end.  That is 4.1.2 out, but 4.1.4 in.  I waited 
till 4.1.4 to upgrade from the last of the 4.0.x line.  And, if nothing 
changes, I may wait for 4.2.4 to upgrade to that new line.


If the PPA only had the release versions of LO and not the nightly 
build or RC type of version of LO, then I would have to look into 
using the PPA again.


I see no real problem in installing the .deb or the .rpm version of LO.  
Sure it has a few steps, but you know exactly which version you are 
installing.  Right now, it is simple to do.  1 - download the files.  2 
- un-archive them.  3 - rename the long folder name to Lib for the 
installer and Lib2 for the help pack.  That is easier for me than typing 
the long folder names in the Terminal.  [yes there may be a shorter way, 
but I keep forgetting it]  4 - go to the proper folder by doing cd Lib 
then cd DEBS.  5 - run the command sudo dpkg -i *.deb.  Maybe one 
day I will make a script to do the #4 and #5 actions for me, but it is 
not really needed.


Actually, it would be nice if someone included a .sh script in the 
packages so once it is un-archived, then all you need to to is run the 
script instead of going through all the steps to install it yourself.


Yes, PPAs would be easier, but I do not want the bleeding edge versions.

Anything to make it easier for our Linux users would be nice. Actually, 
it would be nice to have a script that would have some of the functions 
like the Windows installer does.  That way it would be easier and you 
get to easily choose not to add the other languages, like French and 
Spanish, during the install.  You give Windows users that option, but 
you require Linux users to include those languages unless they go into 
the .deb files and remove the proper packages needed, for installing the 
other languages that you do not want, without messing up the .deb or 
.rpm install.  So having a script that asks you the language and 
dictionary questions would help. Actually, HP has their printer driver 
installer in a script, for the .deb installs.  You run the script and 
are asked a question or three during the process.  Then the script does 
all of the hard work, including making sure all of the dependencies are 
installed, if nay are needed.  Of course, they have a MAKE command in 
the process that the LO installer would not need, but it is an idea.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] malfunzione

2014-01-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:40:13 +1000
Peter West li...@pbw.id.au wrote:

Hello Peter,

I follow that, but that doesn't seem to be what the OP was saying.

In which case, I'm not fully understanding what the OP is asking for.

As we say in these parts;  I'll get my coat.

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Re: Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc question

2014-01-25 Thread Alan B
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.netwrote:

 Dang, I hate the new list behavior of replying to the sender instead of
 the list.  C

 +1 there. I spammed Carl trying to reply and ask for feedback on
alternatives suggested to OP

Now from computer instead of phone

Yes pivot table can do that. I've used it many times. Have you tried the
Subtotal method I described?

Has anybody tried both Carl's method and mine?

It would be interesting if there's a consensus given OP's expectation of
unskilled users and intended outputs? Anybody?

After using both myself, and the pivot table MUCH more than the Subtotal
option I favor the Subtotals. Fewer clicks to get result, result displays
by adding rows to existing data no need to look somewhere else (another
tab) , using outline button can display rows of only customer name and
total purchase, then with outline and row expansion show purchase detail
for individual customer, once Subtotal has been applied totals and customer
detail can be displayed or hidden with one click, no need to open a menu,
it seemed users may be familiar with sort and up to clicking the OK
button on the Subtotal dialog this seems to me more similar to sort.
Other ideas?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] malfunzione

2014-01-25 Thread James E Lang
Note to the list admin: 

You need to put in a Reply-To: (maybe it's Reply To:) header specifying 
this list so that members who politely use Reply will send their replies to 
the list. Use of Reply All is often considered rude netiquette and ought not 
to be forced on people.

=== Now on to the topic at hand

Being that this is an English language list and that the OP posted in 
Italian(?) [which was nicely translated for us by someone else] I'm wondering 
whether the OP is understanding the discussion.

That said, I'm wondering if what is being displayed is 31 Dec, 1 Jan, 2 Jan, 3 
Jan, … 30 Jan. This could be caused by displaying one value for each date in 
the month but starting with day zero instead of one.

Just a thought …

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[libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread CVAlkan
Hi Tom:

Just my two cents. I've tried using AskLO several times and have never
figured out how to set up an account, so I hope you don't drop this in favor
of AskLO.

Maybe I'm just dense (and I've only been using computers and bulletin boards
and mailing lists and their descendants since the mid-80s), but all I see
are ways to sign in using Google or Facebook and so forth, and I don't have
any of those accounts, and don't want them, since I get enough spam already
and don't have much interest in cat videos or what my neighbors had for
dinner.

Sorry - I'll go away now.

Frank



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[libreoffice-users] Index Quirks in Writer

2014-01-25 Thread CVAlkan
I know the table of contents feature seems to work well, as I've used it
quite a bit in the past.
But creating an alphabetical index (a first for me, at least using Writer)
seems to have a number of rather annoying features. I've provided an
experiment you can do at the end, but first let me discuss the issues.

1) When creating an alphabetical index, the Columns feature works as
expected, BUT ONLY FOR THE STANDARD (DEFAULT) PAPER SIZE! If I attempt to
use columns on a 6 x 9 page, Writer still seems to assume a standard
paper size and doesn't seem to know that I'm using a 6 x 9 page. Thus no
matter how I try to tweak the setup, the right column is almost completely
off the page on the right. So I can't use columns for the Index - Bummer,
but not the end of the world.

2) If I go through and highlight each entry that I want indexed, everything
works great (so far as I can tell), and I have the options for match case
and whole words only. But in a long document, using a concordance file
certainly seems to make more sense, and it SEEMS TO WORK, but it actually
doesn't.

  Issue a) No matter what boxes are checked, Writer goes and marks ALL
instances of whatever the concordance entry has: regardless of whether or
not it is a whole word or whether the capitalization matches.

  Issue b) If you add another entry to the concordance file and Update
Index/Table, all instances (even incorrect ones) of the new entry are
indeed marked within the file and added to the index, but every earlier
entry GETS AN ADDITIONAL marker. As I modify the concordance file to add new
items and update the index, I find that the earliest entries have as many
markers as the number of updates I've done. 

Here's an experiment you can do:

Open a new document using whatever standard size is in effect.
At the top of the document, type dt and press F3. This generates the dummy
text.
In a separate text editor create a concordance file with the following
entries:

Breeze;Breeze;;;0;0
Long;Long;;;0;0
Self;Self;;;0;0
Wrist;Wrist;;;0;0

Back in the document, create a new index at the bottom of the page, and mark
Case Sensitive. Then choose the concordance file created above.

You'll see that the words himself and along are marked in the document
and included in the index as Self and Long, even though these words
never appear in the text. Now add the following entry to the concordance
file:

Eat;Eat;;;0;0

Find it? It actually marked the last three letters of the word sweat which
doesn't match the case.

In a three hundred plus page document with a surname index this tends to
make the index pretty useless, since it's cluttered with erroneous entries
which will drive you nuts looking on a referenced page to find something
that just isn't there.

Sadly, I've obviously done that, which brings up another issue:

How do I get rid of the index markers? Going through one by one is far too
tedious. I recall that the alternate search and replace had a selection for
index under properties, but the I downloaded that and the latest version
seems to have a serious bug which doesn't let you get to a specific entry on
the drop down list for properties so that's out. And I don't know if that
would be what I need anyway.

Any help would be appreciated.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread anne-ology
   ditto here.



From: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] low traffic lately?
To: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com, users@global.libreoffice.org 
Users@global.libreoffice.org


I've seen a lot of traffic. I haven't responded because most of the
questions have been about things I know little about.

Virgil



From: Tom Davies
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 9:40 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] low traffic lately?


Hi :)
Does anyone else feel we have had very low traffic over the last few
weeks?  yet many answers going unanswered?

If so should we be pointing people towards AskLO more?  It seemed like
we had tons of activity when we used to have tons of arguments about
almost everything so maybe fake one??  Other thoughts?

My own thought is that mailing lists are a bit archaic and unfamiliar
to most new users = so it's natural for a project to mature towards
forums and gui type support structures and even, perhaps, greater use
of 3rd party sites, perhaps downstream such as Ubuntu, Mageia forums
and such.
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread anne-ology
   as for me, I don't even know what AskLO is -
   and probably don't want to know if it's similar to Facebook,
Google, et.al.
   because I too don't want all the additional spam ...
   or the minute-by-minute diaries of the inane.

   I too have been using these computers since the days of the BBs  ;-)
   and see no reason why e-mail should be considered out-of-date.

   BTW - it irks me when someone requests a reply only through facebook
or twittering ... ... ...
  (I happen to enjoy watching,  listening, to the birds, yet they
stay in the yard)



From: CVAlkan fobe...@enteract.com
Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Hi Tom:

Just my two cents. I've tried using AskLO several times and have never
figured out how to set up an account, so I hope you don't drop this in favor
of AskLO.

Maybe I'm just dense (and I've only been using computers and bulletin boards
and mailing lists and their descendants since the mid-80s), but all I see
are ways to sign in using Google or Facebook and so forth, and I don't have
any of those accounts, and don't want them, since I get enough spam already
and don't have much interest in cat videos or what my neighbors had for
dinner.

Sorry - I'll go away now.

Frank

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread Dave Barton
CVAlkan wrote:
 Hi Tom:
 
 Just my two cents. I've tried using AskLO several times and have never
 figured out how to set up an account, so I hope you don't drop this in favor
 of AskLO.
 
 Maybe I'm just dense (and I've only been using computers and bulletin boards
 and mailing lists and their descendants since the mid-80s), but all I see
 are ways to sign in using Google or Facebook and so forth, and I don't have
 any of those accounts, and don't want them, since I get enough spam already
 and don't have much interest in cat videos or what my neighbors had for
 dinner.
 
 Sorry - I'll go away now.
 
 Frank

Hi Frank,

For some unexplained reason The Document Foundation board chose to use a
modified edition of the Askbot software [1] which, unlike Askbot's own
forum [2], does not allow you to set up a local log-in account.

If you dare suggest that you do not want to have a third party social
media account, you run the risk of at least one TDF board member calling
you a paranoid freak [3].

I was working with a small (only 40-50 seat) client company on a
proposal for migrating to LibreOffice. Mistakenly, in the process of
showing them the software's features, I demonstrated the new Help -
Send Feedback Ask a question option, which ultimately leads to the
AskLibO site. The client asked me why they or their staff would be
required to have a third party social media account to use that service.
Unlike some TDF board members, I do not make it a practice to tell my
clients that they need to get a life and get over their stupid paranoia.

Dave

[1] https://askbot.com/
[2] http://askbot.org/en/account/signin/?next=/en/
[3] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-Access-td4091511.html



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Index Quirks in Writer

2014-01-25 Thread Girvin Herr

CVAalkin,
The last time I worked with LO indexes, I was trying to make an 
alphabetic sort of the table of contents (heading styles), which did not 
work.  So, I am not all that experienced with indexes.  I find them a 
bit of a pain to create.  However, the paper size problem you mentioned 
may be just a matter of changing the Index entry paragraph style(s).  
You might try that to bring your margins in.

HTH.
Girvin Herr


On 01/25/2014 11:26 AM, CVAlkan wrote:

I know the table of contents feature seems to work well, as I've used it
quite a bit in the past.
But creating an alphabetical index (a first for me, at least using Writer)
seems to have a number of rather annoying features. I've provided an
experiment you can do at the end, but first let me discuss the issues.

1) When creating an alphabetical index, the Columns feature works as
expected, BUT ONLY FOR THE STANDARD (DEFAULT) PAPER SIZE! If I attempt to
use columns on a 6 x 9 page, Writer still seems to assume a standard
paper size and doesn't seem to know that I'm using a 6 x 9 page. Thus no
matter how I try to tweak the setup, the right column is almost completely
off the page on the right. So I can't use columns for the Index - Bummer,
but not the end of the world.

2) If I go through and highlight each entry that I want indexed, everything
works great (so far as I can tell), and I have the options for match case
and whole words only. But in a long document, using a concordance file
certainly seems to make more sense, and it SEEMS TO WORK, but it actually
doesn't.

   Issue a) No matter what boxes are checked, Writer goes and marks ALL
instances of whatever the concordance entry has: regardless of whether or
not it is a whole word or whether the capitalization matches.

   Issue b) If you add another entry to the concordance file and Update
Index/Table, all instances (even incorrect ones) of the new entry are
indeed marked within the file and added to the index, but every earlier
entry GETS AN ADDITIONAL marker. As I modify the concordance file to add new
items and update the index, I find that the earliest entries have as many
markers as the number of updates I've done.

Here's an experiment you can do:

Open a new document using whatever standard size is in effect.
At the top of the document, type dt and press F3. This generates the dummy
text.
In a separate text editor create a concordance file with the following
entries:

Breeze;Breeze;;;0;0
Long;Long;;;0;0
Self;Self;;;0;0
Wrist;Wrist;;;0;0

Back in the document, create a new index at the bottom of the page, and mark
Case Sensitive. Then choose the concordance file created above.

You'll see that the words himself and along are marked in the document
and included in the index as Self and Long, even though these words
never appear in the text. Now add the following entry to the concordance
file:

Eat;Eat;;;0;0

Find it? It actually marked the last three letters of the word sweat which
doesn't match the case.

In a three hundred plus page document with a surname index this tends to
make the index pretty useless, since it's cluttered with erroneous entries
which will drive you nuts looking on a referenced page to find something
that just isn't there.

Sadly, I've obviously done that, which brings up another issue:

How do I get rid of the index markers? Going through one by one is far too
tedious. I recall that the alternate search and replace had a selection for
index under properties, but the I downloaded that and the latest version
seems to have a serious bug which doesn't let you get to a specific entry on
the drop down list for properties so that's out. And I don't know if that
would be what I need anyway.

Any help would be appreciated.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread Girvin Herr

+1

I have been working with general purpose computers since the mid 70s and 
made a pretty good career out of it until I retired 10 years ago.  I 
don't do facebook because it violates my computer security rules and I 
strongly disagree with facebook's data-mining business model.


In my view, the reason email, BBs, and forums like this one seem to be 
out of favor is that general purpose computers are becoming dinosaurs in 
favor of mainstream ipads and smart phones.  Last year I upgraded my 
10-year-old desktop computer and discovered new components are becoming 
difficult to find.  This may be the last time I can upgrade it, since I 
suspect in 10 years, the desktop computer will not be available.  That 
gives me a warm fuzzy, but then in 10 years I may not care.


The way I see it, if someone only allows responses from me via facebook 
and/or twitter, then they don't get a response, which effectively 
self-limits their help.


Girvin Herr



On 01/25/2014 12:07 PM, anne-ology wrote:

as for me, I don't even know what AskLO is -
and probably don't want to know if it's similar to Facebook,
Google, et.al.
because I too don't want all the additional spam ...
or the minute-by-minute diaries of the inane.

I too have been using these computers since the days of the BBs  ;-)
and see no reason why e-mail should be considered out-of-date.

BTW - it irks me when someone requests a reply only through facebook
or twittering ... ... ...
   (I happen to enjoy watching,  listening, to the birds, yet they
stay in the yard)



From: CVAlkan fobe...@enteract.com
Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org


Hi Tom:

Just my two cents. I've tried using AskLO several times and have never
figured out how to set up an account, so I hope you don't drop this in favor
of AskLO.

Maybe I'm just dense (and I've only been using computers and bulletin boards
and mailing lists and their descendants since the mid-80s), but all I see
are ways to sign in using Google or Facebook and so forth, and I don't have
any of those accounts, and don't want them, since I get enough spam already
and don't have much interest in cat videos or what my neighbors had for
dinner.

Sorry - I'll go away now.

Frank




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Index Quirks in Writer

2014-01-25 Thread Owen Genat
CVAlkan wrote
 Here's an experiment you can do:
 
 Open a new document using whatever standard size is in effect.
 At the top of the document, type dt and press F3. This generates the dummy
 text.
 In a separate text editor create a concordance file with the following
 entries:
 
 Breeze;Breeze;;;0;0
 Long;Long;;;0;0
 Self;Self;;;0;0
 Wrist;Wrist;;;0;0
 
 Back in the document, create a new index at the bottom of the page, and
 mark Case Sensitive. Then choose the concordance file created above.
 
 You'll see that the words himself and along are marked in the document
 and included in the index as Self and Long, even though these words
 never appear in the text. Now add the following entry to the concordance
 file:
 
 Eat;Eat;;;0;0
 
 Find it? It actually marked the last three letters of the word sweat
 which doesn't match the case.

This is due to the 0;0 at the end of each entry. These two options
represent Match case;Word only.


CVAlkan wrote
 How do I get rid of the index markers? Going through one by one is far too
 tedious.

Right-click on the index  Edit Index/Table...  Index/Table tab  Options
section  pull down the concordance list and selection Edit... and then you
can check case and word only entries as required. Clicking OK/OK, should
immediately update the document.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: low traffic lately?

2014-01-25 Thread upscope
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:29:58 AM CVAlkan wrote:
 Hi Tom:
 
 Just my two cents. I've tried using AskLO several times and have never
 figured out how to set up an account, so I hope you don't drop this
 in favor of AskLO.
 
 Maybe I'm just dense (and I've only been using computers and bulletin
 boards and mailing lists and their descendants since the mid-80s),
 but all I see are ways to sign in using Google or Facebook and so
 forth, and I don't have any of those accounts, and don't want them,
 since I get enough spam already and don't have much interest in cat
 videos or what my neighbors had for dinner.
 
 Sorry - I'll go away now.
 
 Frank
 
 
 
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I also will not use social media services. They are a complete security 
rise. Ask Facebook how many users information was stolen recently? I 
will use a mailing list or forum. 
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