[libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
Hi Italo italovignoli wrote Returning to MSO Mobile, it's only available for iPad and Android smartphones, but not for Android tablets... Maybe they will try to sell that? Or maybe they don't want Android to compete with Windows 8 Tablets since there are already more Android devices in the world than Windows PCs... MSO Mobile is only a viewer, as to create a document you need an Office 365 license (which costs 99 euro/dollars per year). That is not correct. I haven't verified this personally yet (need to free up some space on my Android smartphone). But MS claims in the download page that it allows you to create (Word and Excel) and edit documents (Word, Excel and Powerpoint). MS also says that it is free for personal use. The only requirement is to create a free Microsoft account (like Google Docs requires to create a Google account). Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims? Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/MSO-for-iPad-big-deal-or-big-yawn-tp4103714p4103789.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Page margins
In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version. I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered. Should I list this as a bug? Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Page-margins-tp4103796.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
The linked notice for MSO on Android seems to indicate it is not for Tablets, but only for Phones. That is a big difference. So we still do not have to worry. Also, I wonder if that is actually more of a Cloud Version instead of one that resides on a phone. For me, I do not link the idea of Cloud apps for Writer types of packages. I like offline ones better since I tend to need such things on a tablet/laptop without any access to a WiFi signal. I do not have an Android Phone powerful enough for an office suite or with a large enough screen. My Android table is a Nook HD with 16GB internal and 32GB on a microSD card. So I am waiting for LO's Android version for that Android based Nook. Seriously, if MSO is offering Office 365 for free, I bet it is a limited time offer where you will get hooked on using it then will be required to pay through the nose after a few months of use. MS does not have the policy to give away its Office packages for free. So this seems more like a trial and not a real free deal for long term use. On 04/01/2014 02:21 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmm, even if MSO have got there first and LibreOffice follows i think that's not hugely different from the desktop. I'm not convinced that MSO is available for Android. I've seen announcements that it is available for iPads but iPads are different from Androids. Regards from Tom :) On 1 April 2014 17:59, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stuart V Stuart Foote wrote It's a shame none of the Open Source office's has the manpower to build an Android version. Now it's too late ;) Seriously, Pedro? Actually, TDF and the LibreOffice Devs, notably Tor Lillqvist, have been hard after an Android build. Not sure of its fitness for use, but daily builds of Master for Android are here: TinderBox 24 -- Android-ARM http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Android-ARM@24-Bytemark-Hosting/ Seriously. I'm well aware of that. That is why I mentioned manpower. I didn't say no one. The Android build simply doesn't do anything (at least the last time I tried about a month ago...) Unless there were some fantastic progresses I doubt that it's up to par with Kingsoft (haven't tried MSO yet) Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/MSO-for-iPad-big-deal-or-big-yawn-tp4103714p4103729.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
On 02/04/14 05:20, Pedro wrote: Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims? It is clearly stated in the relevant iTunes pages. Requirements: a qualifying Office 365 subscription is required to edit and create Word documents. If you do not have a subscription, you can buy Office 365 Home withing Word for Ipad app. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Page margins
Hi Tinkerer, Tinkerer wrote (02-04-14 11:54) In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version. I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered. Should I list this as a bug? No, it is common behaviour. You can apply different page styles for different sheets. Pls see F11 and the Help for more info :) Cheers, -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system
Hi :) Good to see you here chap. Welcome in :)) The almost-crash greying out is serious. It's happened to me in the distant past but not for ages. Is the machine really low spec? If not then try adjusting the memory settings Tools - Options - Memory Just bump everything right up. Not even as a percentage. On my fairly low-spec system here i currently have; Use for LO ~ 50Mb per object ~ 20Mb number of objects ~ 20 but on higher spec machines i'd probably bump Use for LO up to 100-400Mb. I'm not sure though because even my fairly low settings do all i need almost all the time. it's only Ram and if you are not using Windows then you probably have plenty to spare on LO. The more usual cause of crashing is Java. Can you switch it off? The only places Java still gets used is some Extensions, maybe still some wizards and if you have a database using the internal backend. Errr, also accessibility tools still default to using Java but we are moving away from that in the next few releases [quietly thanks Apache and IBM and our devs who have been working at this]. Generally we recommend using an external back-end if you are using Base and the rest of it is all very rare. For accessibility you could switch to experimental features to test-drive the non-java way for screen-readers etc. Tools - Options - Advanced and untick the use Java tick-box at the very top. If it turns out that it does need java then it grumbles and allows you to re-tick and re-try whatever you were doing. So i ran it that way for a few weeks before removing Java completely. Regards from Tom :) On 2 April 2014 04:20, Joe Aquilina joeaquil...@westnet.com.au wrote: Hello, I am new to this list and have a couple of questions. I am using LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 on Kubuntu Linux v13.10 if version/OS is relevant. The first is about footers in Writer and I guess it is more a curiosity than a problem. Whenever I insert a footer into a Writer document in a multipage document, no matter where I am in the document, Writer takes me to the bottom of page 3 of the document to insert the footer. Of course then I have to scroll back to where I was working before creating the footer. This is really just an annoyance but does anyone know why Writer does this and if it is possible to stop this behaviour? It would seem to me to be more logical to insert the footer while remaining on whichever page I am working at that time. The other question is a little more serious. Sometimes in Writer but more often in Calc, LibreOffice just locks up. Not just LibreOffice, but the whole system. For example, yesterday while using Calc and trying to drag-copy a cell down a column for a number of rows to replicate a formula, as soon as the drag was started, the computer just locked up. The mouse cursor would move but nothing would respond to a mouseclick. It wa snot possible to stop LibreOffice or start/stop any other programs, AltTab wouldn't work. The computer also didn't respond to a CtrlAltDel. While it was eventually possible to start up a terminal in Linux and kill the LibreOffice process and reopen the document, some work was lost as a result. It doesn't happen often but often enough to be a nuisance. Is this behaviour a known bug? Does anyone else see this problem and does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing it? Thanks in advance. Joe Aquilina -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-couple-of-questions-re-footers-Calc-Writer-locking-up-system-tp4103765.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) A ZdNet article titled (obviously) Office for iPad, big deal or big yawn allows people to vote and so far the big yawn side is winning. HoooRaaah! ;) The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting OpenSource. http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/ I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software usable at all? -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
2014-04-02 18:00 GMT+02:00 Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net: I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software usable at all? On a smartphone? Maybe the ability to read a document is interesting, but that's it. However, tablets have decent screen estate, and can easily be combined with mouse/keyboard as needed, while being more convenient than a whole laptop. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Re: Untranslated strings in Labels and Business Cards dialog
Hi :) A few days ago i asked if anyone here was good at administrative work and wanted to give more time to LibreOffice. As it turns out there is already 1 person working on the list of labels. Also feedback suggested that some people still record on tape-cassettes rather than usb or Cd/Dvd and might still like to print-out labels for them. I always avoided that and just wrote the name directly onto the cassette itself and then got rid of the card/paper insert in the case. Invariably the cases broke at the hinge or smash or warped entirely and it was rare to find the right tape in the right box anyway. Same for Cds/Dvds. Anyway, there are still a lot of Avery (and their predecessors and competitors) labels that are no longer available so keeping them in as options just makes the list too long and confusing. Personally i only tried them out a few times (in MSO though) and found them so unreliable that nowadays if i ever need that sort of thing i make my own tables and run a couple of test-prints on plain paper and then another on one sheet of the labels. So i wouldn't mind if the whole lot was dumped but i just know that some MS fans would use that as an excuse so it's better if we do have them imo. Regards from Tom :) On 1 April 2014 18:20, Dennis Roczek dennisroc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi *, Am 01.04.2014 18:25, schrieb Thomas Hackert: [...] It would be a good Easy Hack for a non-programmer, to download catalogs of label makers, and update label.xml -- remove obsoleted entries and add current entries that people can actually buy today. That may be an easy hack, but I think this would also be really time consuming ... :( Would it be possible then to split these by country / language and to provide them with the langpacks? Or would this be impossible? Well actually there is an easy hack bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70357 which I'm working on (unknowing that this bug existed) since September 2013! This is really a time consuming bug as I touched nearly evry page multiple times (by hand and with my bot) So lengthy easy hacks aren't a problem, I think. Better create a bug and if needed we can split if requested. Thanks for your answer and have a nice evening Thomas. Regards, Dennis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Company Move: Need to Know
Hi :) A couple of key points. Firstly ... So far you seem to have been following the Microsoft route to change. Slash and burn or burning your bridges. It is better to think of migration rather than move to. Step 1 is to install LIbreOffice alongside MS Office Step 2 is to start gradually using LibreOffice more and more. Certain people might be resistant at first. Certain tasks might still require MSO for a while. During this phase companies seem to still buy machines with MSO on or even install and upgrade MSO on some machines. Some retraining of some staff might be required. Perhaps pick key people from each department. Best seems to be 1. people who are still using MS Office 2003 or who were very familiar with it and hate the ribbon-bar, 2. geeks and innovators 3. people who seem to help colleagues naturally or who people go to for help with IT issues This reduces the down-time and usual confusion when moving to new systems. Step 3 is to start rolling out training more widely. Around now stop buying new MSO licenses but still keep old versions of MSO. This is the phase to stop getting MSO on newer machines. Keep working at setting-up LibreOffice to do those awkward tasks that still need MSO. It's only with MS products that you need to get rid of the old systems. The usual reasons are incompatiblities with formats, difficulty to support, security issues and so on. With OpenSource it's a complete contrast. You can keep the older systems even though they are almost never used. Incompatibilities fade and security and support issues drop away. New staff might start off using MSO but quickly find that LO is better so they gradually learn from colleagues without being all at sea so much in their first few days. So a lot of OpenSource advocates would recommend never bothering to remove MS products at all. Just minimise their usage. Secondly ... It helps to get advice from people who have helped many companies migrate. My steps are just a rough-outline but they can help develop more precision tailored to your company from where you have got to so far. They might also be able to help with certain specifics and may have tools developed by other companies, governments or organisations. The people on our Contacts page can probably help guide you to a suitable organisation or individual to help with that. Regards from Tom :) On 2 April 2014 05:54, Sqwuiddy gr...@medwaystudio.com wrote: Hello, I just want to preface this with a huge thank you for reading and taking any time to reply, sorry for the long post! My company is looking to move our production team to LibreOffice. We are currently using Microsoft Office, and using Word 2010 to build all of our mail merge templates. I have spent about 3 weeks trying to research workarounds for some of the code we build into our templates to no avail. And unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any support online for the issues I've encountered. This is problematic, as we have well over 300 templates that will need to be broken down and reconfigured if we cannot find solutions to these issues. Fortunately, we haven't moved to LibreOffice yet and production is still functioning. But if I cannot find solutions to these issues I need to inform my supervisors immediately. Firstly, Part of our company has moved completely to LibreOffice and removed Microsoft Office from their computers. I have tried programming mail merge templates on my computer, and then having them open it on theirs, and the documents will not merge. The first error we encountered was that the IF statements that I built didn't function at all. I simply wanted to make an X appear when a field contained a certain value. These were if statements that would function on my computer. The second error was that... well, none of the merge fields merged. When I re-inserted them they worked fine, but they wouldn't pull from the database even after re-registering it. My question here is, does Word give Libre Writer a leg up if both programs are on one computer? Is that why when I moved a document I'd programmed and tested to success in Libre Writer to another computer without Microsoft Office it wouldn't function? This is essential to know; because I'm helping others troubleshoot their issues. Nested IF Statements: Is this possible? I have tried a variety of things and I've done a good deal of research, and I've hit a wall. We cannot move forward if we do not have the capability of creating nested if statements. IF Statements resulting in a Mail Merge Field: So far I have only been able to make conditional mail merge fields hide/appear using hidden sections. This is not a practical technique for us, as our documents are built almost entirely on conditionally revealed values. I have researched this as much as I could, it seems I cannot create a conditional statement that results in a mail merge field, but I wanted to confirm. Formatting
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
Hi :) Getting out there first does count for a lot but it's not the final answer. The advantages do lead to the idea of release early and release often. AndrOO might not be great right now but at least it is out there and attracting attention. As a result it might snowball and become better faster and faster as it attracts an increasing community. On the other hand initial reputation counts for a lot too so the TDF approach is smart but all the smarter because AndrOO is out there. Without AndrOO the DTF approach would suffer the usual problems of perfectionism. Kingsoft Office is attracting a lot of attention but it's proprietary and therefore limited. If they could OpenSource it then it might last but at the moment it looks like it's only good for the short-term until MS squish it. Having a ribbon-bar is a huge pull. If only we had an Extension that gave users one! As an Extension people wouldn't have to use it and it wouldn't be the default. Many of us still kinda hate the ribbon but having it as an option would be smart. I've also heard that the hand-helds version of MSO is just a viewer (that doesn't always work anyway (MS having trouble implementing their own 'interoperable' format. Again)). So it's classic trialware and likely to follow desktop MSO into being ransomware. MS do need to regain the market-share they have lost to hand-helds and free viewer trialware is the standard approach. it usually seems to work for MS. It didn't work for Oracle when they tried it with OO but they had other factors to deal with. As for Cloud versions there is already Google-docs but apparently the various portable apps versions of LO could also be installed to a Cloud and used anywhere. Really i was just hoping that a few people here could cast their vote on the ZdNet article and support one of the few people in ZdNet that supports OpenSource despite that constantly leading to him earning less from his articles than the Windows fanboys earn from theirs. Regards from Tom :) On 2 April 2014 12:08, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/04/14 05:20, Pedro wrote: Have you tested it? Are your findings different from their claims? It is clearly stated in the relevant iTunes pages. Requirements: a qualifying Office 365 subscription is required to edit and create Word documents. If you do not have a subscription, you can buy Office 365 Home withing Word for Ipad app. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob IT +39.348.5653829 - mob EU +39.392.7481795 sip it...@libreoffice.org - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
I'm using a mail client that doesn't differentiate between top level quotes and interleaved comments so my comments are in brackets [like this]. I mark snips like this: 8. Editorial comment: I _hate_ having to edit addressing in order to post a reply to a mailing list! :- -Original Message- From: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com To: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 9:13 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn Hi :) Getting out there first does count for a lot but it's not the final answer. The advantages do lead to the idea of release early and release often. AndrOO might not be great right now but at least it is out there and attracting attention. As a result it might snowball and become better faster and faster as it attracts an increasing community. [I actually do use it for a small (no pun) Calc application on my phone. It works satisfactorily. I'd rather be doing it on a 10 tablet but that's not in my financial reach at present.] On the other hand initial reputation counts for a lot too so the TDF approach is smart but all the smarter because AndrOO is out there. Without AndrOO the DTF approach would suffer the usual problems of perfectionism. Kingsoft Office is attracting a lot of attention but it's proprietary and therefore limited. [So is AndrOO. It uses AOO 4.3(?) for the office functionality but wraps it in a proprietary envelope.] If they could OpenSource it then it might last but at the moment it looks like it's only good for the short-term until MS squish it. [Being that KingSoft is a Chinese firm I'm less concerned about MS's ability to squish it than I am with China's government sabotaging it. It also doesn't support the .od* file formats.] Having a ribbon-bar is a huge pull [On a tiny screen this has a lot of appeal.[ If only we had an Extension that gave users one! As an Extension people wouldn't have to use it and it wouldn't be the default. Many of us still kinda hate the ribbon but having it as an option would be smart. [Hear, hear! Again, on a tiny screen it would be a great addition. KingSoft makes the ribbon hidable but easy to recall. This is good.] 8 As for Cloud versions there is already Google-docs but apparently the various portable apps versions of LO could also be installed to a Cloud and used anywhere. [Personally I'm not a fan of the cloud. I want to possess my own copy of the software I use and to retain privacy for my data. But, every man to his own tastes aka YMMV.] 8 Regards from Tom :) [Thanks Tom. -- Jim] -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) A ZdNet article titled (obviously) Office for iPad, big deal or big yawn allows people to vote and so far the big yawn side is winning. HoooRaaah! ;) The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting OpenSource. http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/ I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software usable at all? It's more for tablets, with their larger screens and even keyboards. However, there's no reason why an app wouldn't run on a phone, unless specifically configured not to. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Page margins
At 10:20 02/04/2014 -0700, Dave Liesse wrote: On 4/2/2014 04:19, Cor Nouws wrote: Tinkerer wrote (02-04-14 11:54) In Libre 4.2.2.1 Mac version. I have a five sheet Calc document and when I set the page margins to print one sheet, the margins for the other sheets are also altered. Should I list this as a bug? No, it is common behaviour. You can apply different page styles for different sheets. Pls see F11 and the Help for more info :) This might be something to add to the list of differences between MSO and LO. This one drives me nuts frequently! As much as we all think LO is obviously the superior product, we do need to remember that most people will be coming to it from MSO and will want to know what to be watching out for. Are you quite sure that you can easily print different pages of the same sheet of a spreadsheet document with different page layouts (margins, orientation, etc.) in Microsoft Excel? If so, please tell us exactly how to do this. If not, you are apparently being weirdly driven nuts by a non-existent difference. Perhaps you are confusing this with either printing different sheets of the same spreadsheet or printing different pages from the same text document in different layouts - both of which you can do very easily in LibreOffice. Unless I've got this completely wrong, do please take care not to advertise a prejudice as if it were a genuine fault with the application which is the topic of this list. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Page margins
Cor I need to make frequent changes to the Page Format on the three Sheets that I print from. I cannot predetermine every change, so a change in the margins is the simplest way out, or it would be if it remains with that sheet only. BTW. Re. CT2N. Using Libre version 3, I was not able to add your suggestion for the £ prefix as the Macro was in the Libre Macros. In version 4, the macro is in My Macros, so I was able to alter it. It works great. Many thanks. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Page-margins-tp4103796p4103866.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)
Top posting answer to Hal... See either of two ways to proceed, since LibreOffice already bases it PDF page rendering on Poppler and bundles it, you might as well work against that and write a LibreOffice extension. Alternative might be the java source code from Writer2LaTex project (http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/ ) for the Writer2xhtml that will handle ODF document conversion directly to EPUB. Or simply use the extension as is with LibreOffice. Stuart -Original Message- From: Hal Vaughan [mailto:li...@halblog.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:49 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO) I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes. While I don't want to go into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a brief summary may help. As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email or other insecure methods of internet transfer. This e-reader would let me (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer. The file is read in and decrypted when displayed for reading. This would also let me make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete. I still haven't decided what language to use for this. Initially it'll work on OSX, Windows, and Linux. I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS. There's a good chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in Python. (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.) The problem is I need some kind of portable document format. I know that implies, immediately, PDF. However, there seems to be only one library that handles PDF display, and that's Poppler. I'm not an expert programmer (at least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people, they've been abrupt and less than helpful. I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems. I tried saving some files in HTML. The plain text ones were no problem at all. Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it. But then I tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture. I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures. As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be a great solution. So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python? Thanks! Hal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
On 2014-04-03 05:00, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 01/04/2014 17:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) A ZdNet article titled (obviously) Office for iPad, big deal or big yawn allows people to vote and so far the big yawn side is winning. HoooRaaah! ;) The big yawn side appears to largely be supporting OpenSource. http://www.zdnet.com/debate/office-for-ipad-big-deal-or-big-yawn/10137467/ I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software usable at all? I use Google docs on my Samsung S3. It is fine for some edits, corrections and adding data to spread sheets. steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)
On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I'm not clear why not jsut have everyone install Libreoffice alongside whatever other programs they have and then encrypt the ODF files (odt for text, ods for spreadsheets etc) Regards from Tom :) Because: 1) There is not yet any LibreOffice for Android or iOs 2) It defeats the purpose of any encryption if a person can open the file, then save it in any format 3) It allows someone to open the file, make changes, and do what they want with it. While this is intended to go out to my friends, there are cases where I (and others using it) might need to include someone they don’t know but so well. Hal On 2 April 2014 18:48, Hal Vaughan li...@halblog.com wrote: I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes. While I don't want to go into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a brief summary may help. As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email or other insecure methods of internet transfer. This e-reader would let me (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer. The file is read in and decrypted when displayed for reading. This would also let me make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete. I still haven't decided what language to use for this. Initially it'll work on OSX, Windows, and Linux. I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS. There's a good chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in Python. (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.) The problem is I need some kind of portable document format. I know that implies, immediately, PDF. However, there seems to be only one library that handles PDF display, and that's Poppler. I'm not an expert programmer (at least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people, they've been abrupt and less than helpful. I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems. I tried saving some files in HTML. The plain text ones were no problem at all. Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it. But then I tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture. I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures. As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be a great solution. So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python? Thanks! Hal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)
Hal Vaughan wrote: I’m working on an e-reader for special purposes. While I don’t want to go into a discussion of the point of this program and why I’m doing another, a brief summary may help. As a writer, I don’t like sending my work over email or other insecure methods of internet transfer. This e-reader would let me (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader’s computer. The file is read in and decrypted when displayed for reading. This would also let me make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they’re obsolete. I still haven’t decided what language to use for this. Initially it’ll work on OSX, Windows, and Linux. I’d like to expand it to Android and iOS. There’s a good chance it’d be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in Python. (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.) The problem is I need some kind of portable document format. I know that implies, immediately, PDF. However, there seems to be only one library that handles PDF display, and that’s Poppler. I’m not an expert programmer (at least not in C++), and when I’ve asked for help from the Poppler people, they’ve been abrupt and less than helpful. I’d like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems. I tried saving some files in HTML. The plain text ones were no problem at all. Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it. But then I tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture. I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures. I don't know much about e-reader formats, but Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com/) can convert various file types (including ODT) into various formats used on e-readers (EPUB, MOBI, AZW3, ...) So far I've only used it to convert a few files to view on my Kindle, so not sure about support for adding encryption / DRM, but it might be worth a look as a starting point to modify or just for ideas. Mark. As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be a great solution. So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python? Thanks! Hal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)
Hal Vaughan-2 wrote 1) There is not yet any LibreOffice for Android or iOs There is AndrOpen Office. It's not the same as LO but it supports viewing and editing ODT files. Hal Vaughan-2 wrote 2) It defeats the purpose of any encryption if a person can open the file, then save it in any format 3) It allows someone to open the file, make changes, and do what they want with it. Then you really need PDF or maybe epub (apparently it also supports encryption and DRM). Google is your friend ;) Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Non-PDF-Portable-Document-Formats-Exporting-from-LO-tp4103862p4103894.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system
Thanks for the reply. We have LibreOffice on a variety of machines, none are what I would call low spec machines. The machines that have been displaying the locking up error are reasonably high spec (high end i7 cpus, plenty of RAM mid-range graphics cards) so I don't think that the specs are an issue here. However I will try changing the memory settings and see if makes any difference. I will also try switching off Java, at least on my machine. I seem tor recall that the boss saying that there was a reason why he needed to have Java running; I just don't remember why just now. Thanks again, I will keep searching if these suggestions don't help. Cheers. Joe Aquilina -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-couple-of-questions-re-footers-Calc-Writer-locking-up-system-tp4103765p4103898.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Non-PDF Portable Document Formats (Exporting from LO)
Hi :) I'm not clear why not jsut have everyone install Libreoffice alongside whatever other programs they have and then encrypt the ODF files (odt for text, ods for spreadsheets etc) Regards from Tom :) On 2 April 2014 18:48, Hal Vaughan li...@halblog.com wrote: I'm working on an e-reader for special purposes. While I don't want to go into a discussion of the point of this program and why I'm doing another, a brief summary may help. As a writer, I don't like sending my work over email or other insecure methods of internet transfer. This e-reader would let me (and my writer friends) share our work easily with our friends while keeping it encrypted during transfer and even on the reader's computer. The file is read in and decrypted when displayed for reading. This would also let me make early drafts expire so they can be ditched when they're obsolete. I still haven't decided what language to use for this. Initially it'll work on OSX, Windows, and Linux. I'd like to expand it to Android and iOS. There's a good chance it'd be in C++ or Java, but it would be great if I could do it in Python. (I know of Kivy and other efforts that would make it easy for me to transport Python to at least Android.) The problem is I need some kind of portable document format. I know that implies, immediately, PDF. However, there seems to be only one library that handles PDF display, and that's Poppler. I'm not an expert programmer (at least not in C++), and when I've asked for help from the Poppler people, they've been abrupt and less than helpful. I'd like to be able to write in LO, then save or export my file, and have it in a format I can easily display on the different operating systems. I tried saving some files in HTML. The plain text ones were no problem at all. Margins and formatting was preserved just as I needed it. But then I tried one that was part of a pitch, so it had a page of text, then a page of pictures, basically two columns of pictures with captions below each picture. I loaded that in a browser and the formatting was okay on the first page, but was totally messed up on the 2nd page with the pictures. As best I can tell, at this point, there is not a portable library out there that I can use from within a program to easily display ODT files, but that would be a great solution. So what format can I use when exporting from LibreOffice, other than PDF, that can be easily displayed by any libraries in either Java, C++, or Python? Thanks! Hal -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] MSO for iPad, big deal or big yawn
Hi :) I think those sorts of points are more valid than most of the points put forwards in the article. Steven seemed to be having a bad hair day or something because usually he is far more scintillating and makes good points. This time he seems to have missed some obvious ones. I still think it's good to vote and/or make a comment. Regards from Tom :) On 2 April 2014 17:06, Cley Faye cleyf...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-02 18:00 GMT+02:00 Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net: I haven't got any smartphone, so I'm just wondering: what use for office software on such a small screen as a smartphone one? Is the software usable at all? On a smartphone? Maybe the ability to read a document is interesting, but that's it. However, tablets have decent screen estate, and can easily be combined with mouse/keyboard as needed, while being more convenient than a whole laptop. -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A couple of questions re footers, Calc/Writer locking up system
Hi :) Ahh, you can switch off Java in just LibreOffice and leave it running in the OS as a whole. Regards from Tom :) On 3 April 2014 02:21, Joe Aquilina joeaquil...@westnet.com.au wrote: Thanks for the reply. We have LibreOffice on a variety of machines, none are what I would call low spec machines. The machines that have been displaying the locking up error are reasonably high spec (high end i7 cpus, plenty of RAM mid-range graphics cards) so I don't think that the specs are an issue here. However I will try changing the memory settings and see if makes any difference. I will also try switching off Java, at least on my machine. I seem tor recall that the boss saying that there was a reason why he needed to have Java running; I just don't remember why just now. Thanks again, I will keep searching if these suggestions don't help. Cheers. Joe Aquilina -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-couple-of-questions-re-footers-Calc-Writer-locking-up-system-tp4103765p4103898.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
