Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Bruce, Virgil, On 22 mai 2014 05:40:39 CEST, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? While other tools may be used for this it should be quite possible to achieve the same result with LibreOffice writer. Which suggests that a bug report is in order. Mind filing one? Thanks, Charles. -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
All:Forget about text. Just try pasting/importing graphics into a Calc cell. Anchor goes anywhere, strange things happen when you copy and paste cell, or resize column or row intersecting with cell. Graphics handling is so crap I can't believe these bugs are still in the latest release.Regards,Hedley -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
On 5/21/2014 9:33 PM, Brian Barker wrote: Since when have homophones been a problem? I'm reminded of the sentence, Write a letter to Mrs. Wright, right now. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 9:39 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: I wonder: 1. Is the number of pictures the problem? Or was there some way in which the program was trying to do the impossible -- for instance, keeping a picture in a position that was too small for it? I know the picture would fit in the space I wanted it. However, my page position may have clashed with the anchor position (I was anchoring to a paragraph). But, when I wanted to move it to another page (by mouse dragging), it just wouldn't go. It kept bouncing back to the original position. And, if I dragged it across a footer, it suddenly got stuck there creating all kinds of problems. I don't think it was about the number of pictures. 2. Could the anchor position have an effect? I think, conceptually, that is a problem. You can anchor to page, paragraph, character, and as character, whatever that means. Then, if your anchor is too close to the top or bottom of the page, then the graphic doesn't know where to go. The mere act of inserting the graphic *will* cause the anchoring site to move. And, if you preserve the position, it seems to preserve the position on the *page* without regard to where the anchor is. I had some pictures where the anchor was on the previous page as the picture. Then I found I could use the mouse to move *either* the graphics frame *or* the anchor site. I'm thinking there are just too many variables, at least for my limited brain. 3. What if the picture was placed inside a frame, and the frame size and position protected? Actually, that's what I was doing, albeit in a roundabout way. I have my pictures set to Auto Caption. I've discovered that, when that happens, the picture frame is placed inside a separate frame that is slightly larger than the picture itself. Then the caption is placed in this larger frame. So, a captioned picture consists of *two* frames, one on top of the other. In fact, when I was preserving size and position, I had to do it to *both* the picture frame *and* the caption frame. I'm going to see what results I get in answering these questions. I'll post my results, probably by tomorrow evening. I thought I would reload the document and try again. When I loaded the document, *all* of my pictures were out of position and distorted from top to bottom. When I tried to scroll the document, it crashed. It's now toast. One other thought I had. I was using Linux Libertine G as my font. It has so many advanced typographic features that, in the past, I've had some stability issues with it, even in text files without graphics. But, those were addressed many versions ago, so I don't think it's the problem, but I just throw it out there as a possible contributing factor. Good luck on sorting this out. Based on my experience, next time I need to insert graphics, I'll just use another program from the get-go and save myself hours of headaches. For me at least, it just ain't working with LO. Again, I won't discount the possibility of user error, but if that's the case, then I would suggest that perhaps this part of the program is so complex that user error is much too easy to achieve. Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How to Copy text and image at the same time from website
I want to Copy text and image at the same time from website, but every time I just got the plain text. has this problem been solved? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc cell protection
I'm saving in Word and Excel format - thanx I'll try it with ODF format On 20 May 2014 16:39, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 15:12 20/05/2014 +0200, Philip Engelbrecht wrote: I've set cell protection with password to protect the sheet and document. It does not work after saving and closing the spreadsheet - cell protection just disappears! In what format are you saving the document? Protection features are designed to operate when documents are saved in LibreOffice's native Open Document Format format. If you save the file in some other format than .ods, you may be able to bypass the protection. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Groete/Regards *Philip Engelbrecht* +27743428721 / +27711445151 (M) | +27866244823 (F) | philipengelbrechtza (Skype) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
I think I see the problem. Unfortunately: There are no other paper sizes with which to test my theory. No other paper sizes that have different designations in Format - Page - Page - Format and in the printer dialogues. I *suspect* the problem is that LO has a paper size named Tabloid and the printer dialogue has the same size paper listed as 11x17. If I set LO's paper size to Legal and the printer to the same: It sticks. If I try to do the same with Tabloid vs. 11x17: It does not. MS Office refers to it as 11x17, btw. Is there a way to define a paper size to LO? Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
There are 797866 lines in the .dic file with the top one the number of words. The rest of the lines are one word each. The .dic file treats each line, except the first, as an individual word. Each line is a correct spelling of a word. The first part of the list are the capitalized words and the rest are the lowercased ones. timed and timing are two forms of a single root word and are not considered the same word as time. If you create a word list of a document, for all of the words used, time, timed, and timing, are three individually listed words. Just because they share the same root word does not mean they are the same word. Also, for a spell checker, a word that has the first letter uppercased and a word with that same letter lowercased are treated differently. When not as the first word in a sentence, there are words that are allowed, or even need the first letter to be uppercased, while other will be misspelled if the first letter is uppercased. That is defined in the spell checking .dic file. You can either take a word and list each version or you can figure out all the control options to follow that word so it would also define all of those prefixed and suffixed versions of that word. Since I do not know those control codes, I listed each form or version of the word out in the list so I could also give a good word count. So the 797,865 words in the .dic file is correct. Would you like to deal with my unpublished 3,068,588 word .dic file that has even more versions and correct spellings of en_US words? This contains many, many, suffix and prefix versions that are rarely seen but technically spelled correctly. I just created that version to see how massive it could go. But, I will not publish it as a single dictionary. It would be divided up into common and rare files to be enabled/disabled as the user would choose. For now, the spell checking extension project is not going to be continued till a lot of other projects are finished - LO projects and many more non-LO projects. On 05/21/2014 03:20 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that i believed it until i saw who posted it. Now i have no idea but think it's unlikely. I could believe the US trying to dumb things or be less confusing by removing words so that people have fewer to choose from. Regards from Tom :) On 21 May 2014 18:09, Urmas davian...@gmail.com wrote: Kracked_P_P---webmaster: I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797 thousand words in its list, That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to Copy text and image at the same time from website
Hi, On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Weibin Wang wrote: I want to Copy text and image at the same time from website, but every time I just got the plain text. has this problem been solved? Please have a look at: (1) Bug 78801 - Copying Text + Image from Website - Image Skipped Status: NEW https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78801 (2) AskLibO: copying from a web browser http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/34227/copying-from-a-web-browser/ (3) AskLibO: Hyperlinks removed when copying text from browser and pasting into Writer http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/33378/hyperlinks-removed-when-copying-text-from-browser-and-pasting-into-writer/?answer=33430#post-id-33430 Have a nice day - Manfred -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
w On 05/21/2014 11:40 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I began using Mandrake (which became Mandriva) and then went to Ubuntu sometime before 2008. Sometime in this year, I got a MacBook using OS X 10.4 (Intel). (I have never updated the Apple OS. Instead, I have installed Ubuntu on it updating the version every year or two. But remember that there were members of the ODFAuthors group that used a Windows OS. They were producing chapters of the user guides with many pictures without the problems you describe. The individual chapters were combined using a master document, and then the latter was saved as an ODT file. This means the final ODT file had more than 100 graphics for each user guide in ODT format. I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? I would like to get an ODT file that has these problems with graphics that move around. Somewhere in the zipped ODT file might be a clue as to what is happening. Also, I might be able to spot something different in the styles being used.
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 6:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. I hate to say it, but in the realm of individual components, these programs *are* direct competitors. Think about it. The database folks keep talking about other programs being better than Base. You have often written about Gnumeric being more useful than Calc. My Atlantis, while not nearly as full featured as Writer, is much easier to use (precisely because of its feature limitations), as well as fast and rock solid. Oh, and btw, while Atlantis is written only for Windows, it behaves very well in Ubuntu with Wine. Yes, LO is an office suite, but how often do people actually use the integrated features of the suite? Once a year, I take an address list created in Calc and run it through Base, so I can print out labels in Writer for Christmas cards. Several years ago I did the same thing with Microsoft Works and it was *much* easier (and I am no fan of M$). Aside from that, I never import data from one component to the next. I use each component as a standalone program. The fact that a program is an integrated office suite means little if, for any one of its given components, there is a smaller, quicker, easier or more stable alternative. So, I ask myself, instead of constantly wrestling with the depth of a complex office suite, would I be better off using standalone programs like Gnumeric and Atlantis? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tell me it's not true
On 05/21/2014 02:36 PM, William Salathiel wrote: Mark Stanton mark at vowleyfarm.co.uk writes: When I select the dBase connector it seems to say that queries cannot contain more than one table. Tekll me it's not true... Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... Sorry but William is wrong. The dBase connector does not support relational databases. Besides dBase uses its own method of defining relationships that is not the standard use by most database engines. The dBase connector is not able to provide Base with the information needed to use the dBase's method when creating a query. --Dan Mark, it IS NOT TRUE. I have routinely used ~25 tables, and run queries using 3 or more tables. I find it most useful to structure my queries using the SQL command line rather than the wizard, although it can be done using the wizard also. I am running Linux, and I use PostgreSQL for my database engine, and the Java JDBC Driver. An example two table query is: SELECT DISTINCT VenIndLoc.*, Products.* FROM All_IPO-wi_Industry_Location AS VenIndLoc, wms.Products AS Products WHERE VenIndLoc.CO_NAME = Products.COMPANY ORDER BY VenIndLoc.CO_NAME ASC, VenIndLoc.INVEST_NO DESC where the two tables used are VenIndLoc and Products. Hope that helps. Cheers, --Bill -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 5/21/2014 10:22 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Aren't steps 3 and 4 inconsistent? How can a frame be anchored both to the paragraph and as a character? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] 4.3 Bug Hunting Weekend!
Hi All, Don't forget this weekend is our 4.3 bug hunting session! We really need as many people as possible testing 4.3 now so that developers can fix nasty regressions before release (which isn't too far away!). Please join us in the /_*chat*_/: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa An experienced QA person should be around most of the weekend to help walk you through the steps. To download /_*latest daily build*_/ of 4.3 please go here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ For /_*info on the bug hunting session*_/ see our wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0#How_to_join *Again - we need testers for 4.3 as it is the _only_ way that we will find any regressions that need resolved before release. Please - if you have a spare hour this weekend, join the chat, say hello, and get involved :) *Warm Regards, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Hi :) Yes, but the 1 program/suite approach is convenient when you have to do something only once a year or even less often and are able to do so with fairly familiar tools, or at least with familiar support (such as this mailing list) Writer is not a truly amazing DeskTop Publishing program but it is pretty good at all that and for me it beats Publisher and definitely beats Word in producing good quality documents. When you don't need DTP and just want to write a quick letter it's more obvious how to do things and easier to hunt around the menus then the ribbon so it's easier to find new tricks. I keep saying that Gnumeric is 'better than' Calc AND Excel but only in cases where the person clearly needs a specialist program, or just to try it out for a bit. The database people talk about keeping the data separate and using Base to manipulate the data and then passing the result seemlessly along to familiar tools. This makes a lot more sense and keeps the whole thing much more scalable. You can change the type of back-end to suit different needs without having to redesign all the front-end stuff nor the data-manipulation stuff. Office Suites fill a very big niche and LibreOffice is the best fit for that niche (ime), if only more people outside of these mailing lists would realise it. Regards from Tom :) On 22 May 2014 15:37, Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com wrote: On 5/21/2014 6:50 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Those are specialist tools each for a single purpose. They are mostly part of the same eco-system as LibreOffice. LibreOffice is the only one that does so many different things and is the only office suite. For example Lyx is not a better spreadsheet program. So you are not being disloyal or anything like that. Even if any of the other 3 were direct competitors it would probably be better for us to know so that we could figure out how to compete fairly. I hate to say it, but in the realm of individual components, these programs *are* direct competitors. Think about it. The database folks keep talking about other programs being better than Base. You have often written about Gnumeric being more useful than Calc. My Atlantis, while not nearly as full featured as Writer, is much easier to use (precisely because of its feature limitations), as well as fast and rock solid. Oh, and btw, while Atlantis is written only for Windows, it behaves very well in Ubuntu with Wine. Yes, LO is an office suite, but how often do people actually use the integrated features of the suite? Once a year, I take an address list created in Calc and run it through Base, so I can print out labels in Writer for Christmas cards. Several years ago I did the same thing with Microsoft Works and it was *much* easier (and I am no fan of M$). Aside from that, I never import data from one component to the next. I use each component as a standalone program. The fact that a program is an integrated office suite means little if, for any one of its given components, there is a smaller, quicker, easier or more stable alternative. So, I ask myself, instead of constantly wrestling with the depth of a complex office suite, would I be better off using standalone programs like Gnumeric and Atlantis? Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.3 Bug Hunting Weekend!
Hi :) This looks like great fun. You don't need coding skills to get involved. Just try a few things out and see what it's really like in the QA Team here. The time-limit means you can back-out gracefully at the end of the event or if you really get into it you could join the team for longer. The event usually sorts out quite a few issues and it's great fun to race through and really make a big difference in a very short time-frame. Good luck all! Regards from Tom :) On 22 May 2014 15:53, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Don't forget this weekend is our 4.3 bug hunting session! We really need as many people as possible testing 4.3 now so that developers can fix nasty regressions before release (which isn't too far away!). Please join us in the /_*chat*_/: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa An experienced QA person should be around most of the weekend to help walk you through the steps. To download /_*latest daily build*_/ of 4.3 please go here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ For /_*info on the bug hunting session*_/ see our wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0#How_to_join *Again - we need testers for 4.3 as it is the _only_ way that we will find any regressions that need resolved before release. Please - if you have a spare hour this weekend, join the chat, say hello, and get involved :) *Warm Regards, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Tell me it's not true
Hi Dan, Thanks, yes I know William was mistaken. My post was slightly tongue-in-cheek ( long enough ago now that actually I'd forgotten about it ;) ). My guess is that the dBase connection only supports one file because it's a file connection not a process connection, there's no database engine running for the connector to ask to do the complicated work. Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
Charles: I'd be happy to file a bug report, but I'm hoping to find out a bit more the situation before I do. This delay is partly selfish, because my personal need is to find a workaround, but I'm hoping it will also help correct the problem if I can give some details. On Thursday 22 May 2014 08:58:21 AM Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Bruce, Virgil, On 22 mai 2014 05:40:39 CEST, Bruce Byfield bbyfi...@axion.net wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2014 10:22:41 PM Dan Lewis wrote: On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. Method #1: Right-click on a graphic, and select Picture - Options - Protect _ Position and Size. Method #2: 1. Turn off auto-caption in Tools Options 2. Create table with 1 column, 2 rows. Set space above and below. Do not allow to splilt across page or column, or keep with next paragraph, do not create heading row. 3. Set space above and below table (multiple of line height) 4. Place picture in 1st row. If you have trouble placing it in a cell, space down in the cell a few times before inserting the picture. 5. Position picture: either move using alignment or, if you want an indentation from the left, adjust from right, subtracting space from the total width of the table. 6. Add caption in second row. If graphic is indented, you will need to create a caption paragraph style with an indent. 7. In table context menu, unselect Table Boundaries. For convenience, you may want to unselect only before you print. Thanks to anyone whose curiosity or need encourages them to join the experiment. I don't have problems with placing graphics where I want them, but then again, I do not wrap any text around them. Perhaps this is the problem? I have a file created by LibreOffice 4.1.6 and 4.2.4 that has 73 graphics and 4 images. I have no problem keeping them where I put them. The name of the file is BG4204Forms20140501.odt. It is available for download athttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation. You will need to scroll down to the Base Guide section of this web page. Another thought that may or may not have anything to do with the problem. These are the settings that I use in Tools Options Memory: Undo steps: 20, Graphics cache Use for LibreOffice 252MB, Memory per object 2.0MB, Remove from memory after 1:00 (h:m), number of objects 252. When inserting a graphic, the following steps are used: 1. Create a paragraph style for the frames with the alignment centered and any other style properties needed. 2 Create an empty paragraph. 3. Create a frame anchored to this paragraph 4. Anchor the frame as a character 5. Insert the caption in the bottom of the frame. 6. Insert the graphic in the frame 7. Anchor the graphic as a character). Over the past 10 years or more I have been doing this without any problems in any of the chapters I have written for the ODFAuthors group. There is one more thing that I do that automates several of these steps: I use AutoText. It creates the frame with steps 1, 3, 4, and 5. This just leaves me to create an empty paragraph, insert the graphic, and anchor it as a character. In addition, I also resize the frame if I think it needs it. Thanks for your input. What operating system are you using? I've tried the technique you mention, but for me (and many others), it doesn't seem to work. I don't think that wrapping the text has anything to do with the problem, because, if anything, graphics that don't have any wrap tend to stray more often than those that do. However, the memory settings may have an effect, so I'm going to do some experiments. Perhaps the failure arises because not enough memory is allocated for large graphics? While other tools may be used for this it should be quite possible to achieve the same result with LibreOffice writer. Which suggests that a bug report is in order. Mind filing one? Thanks, Charles.
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
On Wed, 21 May 2014 18:49:15 -0600 Denis Navas denis.na...@gmail.com wrote: El 2014-05-21 07:27, Jim Seymour escribió: [snip] I usually print to pdf and use it later, to print phisically. [snip] And that turned out to be the work-around: Print to PDF, then, when printing the PDF, set the size to 11x17. Thanks for the idea! Is there somewhere I should submit this as either a bug or enhancement request? I think if they just added 11x17 to the paper size list, the problem would go away. Regards, Jim -- Note: My mail server employs *very* aggressive anti-spam filtering. If you reply to this email and your email is rejected, please accept my apologies and let me know via my web form at http://jimsun.LinxNet.com/contact/scform.php. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
yes, there are homonyms in the English language - which allows for puns; a concept which many languages do not understand, yet adds humour to others ;-) I've always enjoyed the pun; still do. Now, for a bit of English grammar history: it's derived from the Latin Greek - as were the Romantic Germanic languages; spelling was not initially formalized due to this conglomeration, so the idea of a dictionary came about; Samuel Johnson wrote his formal dictionary; then in the 19C, things were still informal, so the idea for the OxfordEnglishDictionary was formed; then Daniel Webster decided to write his dictionary excluding the niceties in spelling of the OED because he wanted to eliminate 'the British' from the language ;-) BTW - Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll), others, had some interesting bits re. this continual squabble between the British the States; his Jabberwocky is a gem of a poem. Just a bit of trivia for y'all ;-) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary To: users@global.libreoffice.org English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Printer Page/Paper Size?
This may or may not be of help. Are you sure it says 11 x 17 and not 17 x 11 Windows may not match a 17 x 11, but if you define your own and format a 11 x 17 might work. The key is how the software interprets the printer driver in regard to paper length and width. IE: I don't know what a 17 wide piece of paper is so I won't do it vs I know what a 17 long piece of paper is and I will print in landscape. It is an issue which a friend of mine (Thanks Marc) came to with a document that would not print an Excel spreadsheet in landscape properly. Hope it helps On 5/22/2014 9:50 AM, Jim Seymour wrote: I think I see the problem. Unfortunately: There are no other paper sizes with which to test my theory. No other paper sizes that have different designations in Format - Page - Page - Format and in the printer dialogues. I *suspect* the problem is that LO has a paper size named Tabloid and the printer dialogue has the same size paper listed as 11x17. If I set LO's paper size to Legal and the printer to the same: It sticks. If I try to do the same with Tabloid vs. 11x17: It does not. MS Office refers to it as 11x17, btw. Is there a way to define a paper size to LO? Regards, Jim -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
Wow, yours is impressive! I merely studied French ... Latin Greek ... then when I took a calligraphy course, Chinese - but that went 'in 1 ear out the other'; I have no idea what I actually said while writing those bits of calligraphy ;-) Whenever I attempt to speak Spanish, or Italian, the French takes over ?!?!?! yet I can say hello, goodbye, please, thank you, how are you, in those languages + German, Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew, Arabic ;-) How about the rest of you on this list? From: Keith Bates ke...@new-life.org.au Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary To: users@global.libreoffice.org An anti-English troll- that's a new one for this list. :) I can't say that I've studied every language in the world, but I did study French, New Testament Greek and Ancient Hebrew. Guess what? They ALL have weird rules, exceptions and strange words. This would be due to the fact that languages are mostly used by humans who can be a little bit creative. I studied some rigidly conformist languages but they were rather dull. As far as I know there is no equivalent for I love you in BASIC, FORTRAN or C++ Keith- whose name disproves the i before e rule On 22/05/14 10:37, Mark LaPierre wrote: English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- God bless you Keith Bates 4 Mooloobar St Narrabri Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
reminds me of and the longest word in the English language is ... or is it supercalifragilisticespialidocious ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFHXMQP-QU From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com Date: Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary To: users@global.libreoffice.org There are 797866 lines in the .dic file with the top one the number of words. The rest of the lines are one word each. The .dic file treats each line, except the first, as an individual word. Each line is a correct spelling of a word. The first part of the list are the capitalized words and the rest are the lowercased ones. timed and timing are two forms of a single root word and are not considered the same word as time. If you create a word list of a document, for all of the words used, time, timed, and timing, are three individually listed words. Just because they share the same root word does not mean they are the same word. Also, for a spell checker, a word that has the first letter uppercased and a word with that same letter lowercased are treated differently. When not as the first word in a sentence, there are words that are allowed, or even need the first letter to be uppercased, while other will be misspelled if the first letter is uppercased. That is defined in the spell checking .dic file. You can either take a word and list each version or you can figure out all the control options to follow that word so it would also define all of those prefixed and suffixed versions of that word. Since I do not know those control codes, I listed each form or version of the word out in the list so I could also give a good word count. So the 797,865 words in the .dic file is correct. Would you like to deal with my unpublished 3,068,588 word .dic file that has even more versions and correct spellings of en_US words? This contains many, many, suffix and prefix versions that are rarely seen but technically spelled correctly. I just created that version to see how massive it could go. But, I will not publish it as a single dictionary. It would be divided up into common and rare files to be enabled/disabled as the user would choose. For now, the spell checking extension project is not going to be continued till a lot of other projects are finished - LO projects and many more non-LO projects. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
There are two answers. The longest word in any English language is the name of a small town in Wales - Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyantysiliogogogoch (see Wikipedia if you're curious about what and where this is). I had thought it was 56 letters, but this one is 59. Hmm. The longest word in American English is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, aka black lung disease. It is 45 letters. There is a longer word, which is the 85 letter long name of a village in Africa, but I don't know what that one is (and I'm too lazy to Google it right now :-). FWIW. MR On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: reminds me of and the longest word in the English language is ... or is it supercalifragilisticespialidocious ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFHXMQP-QU -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
Perhaps a bit off the track: I learned somewhere that the longest English word is smiles. Why? There is a mile between the first and the last letter :-) Kolbjoern Den 22.05.2014 22:21, skreiv MR ZenWiz: There are two answers. The longest word in any English language is the name of a small town in Wales - Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyantysiliogogogoch (see Wikipedia if you're curious about what and where this is). I had thought it was 56 letters, but this one is 59. Hmm. The longest word in American English is pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, aka black lung disease. It is 45 letters. There is a longer word, which is the 85 letter long name of a village in Africa, but I don't know what that one is (and I'm too lazy to Google it right now :-). FWIW. MR On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: reminds me of and the longest word in the English language is ... or is it supercalifragilisticespialidocious ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRFHXMQP-QU -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 4.3 Bug Hunting Weekend!
I appreciate how easy you are making this for us to participate. I'm scheduling a couple of hours, at least, to see if I can be of use. I know I'll learn somethings, and may even be able to be of value. I like the idea of paying back to the organization. Change of topic: It REALLY seems counter intuitive to me that in replying to a post on this INTERNET DISCUSSION LIST the default response is to reply to the sender only. I practically NEVER do that. Gr! Most of us are here to talk to the crowd. Why are we thus inconvenienced? It's just nuts. See you this weekend, if not before. t. On 05/22/2014 08:53 AM, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, Don't forget this weekend is our 4.3 bug hunting session! We really need as many people as possible testing 4.3 now so that developers can fix nasty regressions before release (which isn't too far away!). Please join us in the /_*chat*_/: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa An experienced QA person should be around most of the weekend to help walk you through the steps. To download /_*latest daily build*_/ of 4.3 please go here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ For /_*info on the bug hunting session*_/ see our wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0#How_to_join *Again - we need testers for 4.3 as it is the _only_ way that we will find any regressions that need resolved before release. Please - if you have a spare hour this weekend, join the chat, say hello, and get involved :) *Warm Regards, Joel -- ~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State) Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332 * t...@tomcloyd.com (email) TomCloyd.com (website) * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues) * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community ~~~ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal.
Hi :) I just realised this was a private message sent to just me rather than to the whole list! I don't know the answer. Is it something to do with enabling experimental features? Regards from Tom :) -- Forwarded message -- From: 温林伟 wenlinweifree...@gmail.com Date: 22 May 2014 12:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.2 Proposal. To: Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com How to enable (Evaluate) in the formula in libreoffice? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
Kracked_P_P---webmaster: There are 797866 lines in the .dic file with the top one the number of words. Due to the author's error, it is shipped unmunched. In the proper form it contains 476898 entries, probably even less if some wordforms are missing. That is close to 70% misrepresentation. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] making graphics stay where you put them
On 05/21/2014 03:16 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: If you've done much work positioning graphics in text, then you know how difficult it can be to make sure that the graphics stay in place. In the past, many experts have come up with recommendations about the best settings to use, but these suggestions either don't work if you try to export to another format or else have been made obsolete by changes to the program over the year. In preparation for my upcoming book on OpenOffice/LibreOffice, I'm hoping to solve this problem once and for all. Could anyone who is interested reproduce the two methods below, then try to break them by copying and pasting, adding text around the graphics, and anything else you can think of? I would be very interested in hearing results, especially on platforms other than Linux. I almost always anchor the picture AS a character on a line by itself with a specific character style that should keep it with the next paragraph, a manually inserted caption. You can see this in any of my macro documents. AndrewMacro and OOME are both very long with numerous images and they have no problems. Years ago I had my images inside of frames, but, I found a very nasty bug that caused OOo to crash based on a certain set of conditions. I manually edited the XML in a text editor to remove the problem so that I could keep the document. I do believe that bug was fixed by Sun :-) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary
On Thu, 22 May 2014, anne-ology wrote: yes, there are homonyms in the English language - which allows for puns; a concept which many languages do not understand, yet adds humour to others ;-) I've always enjoyed the pun; still do. Now, for a bit of English grammar history: it's derived from the Latin Greek - as were the Romantic Germanic languages; the Germanic languages were not derived from Latin and Greek, they are a separate branch of Indo-European. however Germanic languages were also influenced by Latin and then French as English was. in German people (at least of a certain generation) sometimes say a word derived from Latin and add in German - the Latinate word sounds a bit fancy, the German near-equivalent sounds more 'down-to-earth'. but they don't seem to have our category of 'four-letter words which, btw, are sometimes anglo-saxon (Germanic) words like 'ficken' or 'scheisse'. (there is one word my partner forbids me to say though.) anyway, yes, language is fun. back to our regularly scheduled OT. F. spelling was not initially formalized due to this conglomeration, so the idea of a dictionary came about; Samuel Johnson wrote his formal dictionary; then in the 19C, things were still informal, so the idea for the OxfordEnglishDictionary was formed; then Daniel Webster decided to write his dictionary excluding the niceties in spelling of the OED because he wanted to eliminate 'the British' from the language ;-) BTW - Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll), others, had some interesting bits re. this continual squabble between the British the States; his Jabberwocky is a gem of a poem. Just a bit of trivia for y'all ;-) From: Mark LaPierre marklap...@aol.com Date: Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Spell Check Dictionary To: users@global.libreoffice.org English sucks as a language anyway. It's a conglomeration of words grafted on from many other real languages that mostly still adhere to the rules of the original language. The result is that English has no consistent rules without the ever present, Except, word. This paragraph contains one of the prime examples. I almost all cases adding apostrophe s on the end of a word denotes ownership, i.e. Tom's car, but to indicate ownership with the word it the 's' is added without the apostrophe. Of course its could also indicate multiple quantities of its. Then there are words like disgruntled. Has anyone ever been gruntled? Then too as in also, two as in one more then one, and to as in where you are going. There's lead as in the heavy metal, lead as in being shown the way, lead as in showing the way. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. -- Sean O'Casey -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
